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murray26
17-12-2017, 03:45 PM
We’re now half way through the season and seem to be heading for our 1st real challenging period( next 3 games are huge) what’s everyone’s opinions on our recruitment?? I’m not overly convinced..

Stokes hasn’t produced what he’s capable of so far.. had the odd glimpse but not enough for me.
Murray has done better than I thought but has only 6 SPL goals and seems to be toiling a bit now
Whittaker looks like he’s past it
Slivka has declined after early promise and his big pal is rumoured to be off
Swanson has offered us nothing
Ambrose I’ve been happy with and will have more good games than bad I think

Lennon and the board have to get January right or it could end up quite a disappointing season..

Am I being harsh..?

MSK
17-12-2017, 04:01 PM
We’re now half way through the season and seem to be heading for our 1st real challenging period( next 3 games are huge) what’s everyone’s opinions on our recruitment?? I’m not overly convinced..

Stokes hasn’t produced what he’s capable of so far.. had the odd glimpse but not enough for me.
Murray has done better than I thought but has only 6 SPL goals and seems to be toiling a bit now
Whittaker looks like he’s past it
Slivka has declined after early promise and his big pal is rumoured to be off
Swanson has offered us nothing
Ambrose I’ve been happy with and will have more good games than bad I think

Lennon and the board have to get January right or it could end up quite a disappointing season..

Am I being harsh..?Swanson to be fair hasnt had a chance for one reason or another, if he can get himself fit then I think he could be a good addition, I know the strikers get a hard time but I would love more goals from midfield, we need everyone to contribute.

kaimendhibs
17-12-2017, 04:03 PM
Oh for a Pat McGinley

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MSK
17-12-2017, 04:04 PM
Oh for a Pat McGinley

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kaimendhibs
17-12-2017, 04:09 PM
Although i believe if you put Slivka in centre mid you would see a very good player

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madhatter
17-12-2017, 04:15 PM
Find Slivka's lack of game time strange. We sign a player from Juventus but don't play him...he has 19 caps as well.

greenlex
17-12-2017, 04:17 PM
Although i believe if you put Slivka in centre mid you would see a very good player

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Apart from that time at Firhill.

Joe6-2
17-12-2017, 04:18 PM
Find Slivka's lack of game time strange. We sign a player from Juventus but don't play him...he has 19 caps as well.

I find this odd too, just don’t get it!

wookie70
17-12-2017, 04:19 PM
I'll give scores on what I imagine players were bought for and guess as to how much they cost and what their future worth, current value is to the club along with length of contract. Not very scientific but Stokes playing ok is still better than Dagnell playing well. That doesn't make him a good signing if he cost 4 times a Dagnell though if you get my drift. Not exactly scientific but my thoughts on whether a player has been a positive signing.

Stokes - Not great so far and doesn't look like he will get any better to me. His record was for causing bother and that has already happened. - 5/10
Murray - I think he would have been bought for the squad and he has surpassed that and scored a good few goals. Good signing with potential - 7/10
Whittaker - Legs look like they are gone or he is very injury prone. We need our heads looked at giving him a 3 year deal regardless of him being a model pro - 4/10
Slivka - Played in a few positions in and out of team. Our manage obviously thinks he isn't very good - 5/10
Swanson - Has shown flashes but not been involved much due to various reasons. Not one for the future and we have already written off half a season. I have a feeling he will be a decent signing but currently - 4/10
Ambrose Along with Murray he is the only signing I have been pleased with. Can get caught out and takes too many risks but he has had a very good season despite going missing at the start. 7/10
Big Dave - The manager thinks he is honking judging by how many chances he has had and the fans haven't had a chance to find out - 2/10
Rocky- Inconsistent, capable of world class saves and Maybury League goalkeeping. Poor distribution and doesn't command his box. A very long deal for an inconsistent player. 5/10

My confidence that Lennon and his team of scouts will do better in the next couple of windows - 4/10

kaimendhibs
17-12-2017, 04:32 PM
Apart from that time at Firhill.Fair enough, i was in New York so missed it

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murray26
17-12-2017, 04:36 PM
Two quality signings required in January I think.. Liam Henderson and a striker ( no idea who) and hold on to Mcginn and I think we’ll get 4th and hopefully a cup run.

MWHIBBIES
17-12-2017, 04:45 PM
After we beat Dundee for the 4th win in a row all our signings were great. Hopefully in a few weeks we'll all be happy again.

Pointless thread really, judging players with a negative result still fresh in the memory.

greenlex
17-12-2017, 04:47 PM
Fair enough, i was in New York so missed it

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I rate him but he was well off it. I really hoped he would shine. Again he wasn’t alone that day.

Smartie
17-12-2017, 04:49 PM
We've had 4 questionable transfer windows in a row.

All of our best and most important players arrived before that, players who have arrived since that have either been moved on or have struggled to establish themselves.

I'm not sure exactly why that is.

Thecat23
17-12-2017, 04:53 PM
Big Dave, Whitty, Swanson been a huge let down so far. Swanson though has had his reasons and can fully understand why his head wasn’t in the game. Now though if he gets the chance he must step up.

Slivka I’ve no idea if he’s good or not, needs more games under his belt! But overall can’t say any of the signings I thought would be good have stood out.

MSK
17-12-2017, 05:03 PM
After we beat Dundee for the 4th win in a row all our signings were great. Hopefully in a few weeks we'll all be happy again.

Pointless thread really, judging players with a negative result still fresh in the memory.Its not a pointless thread, the team needs fresh faces so no harm in debating in who or what needs replaced. Our weaknesses have been exposed time & again so they need addressed, most teams will be looking at new recruitments come Jan, do you think we should just go with what we have ?

Ozyhibby
17-12-2017, 05:06 PM
I think we have to go for younger player.
I would like us to go for Niall McGinn but his age worries me. It might be better to get creative with a deal for Lewis Morgan. I know Celtic are interested but we can offer him something they can’t which is first team football.
I think we have the 2nd oldest squad in the league and the number of injuries we are getting reflects that.
There are players such as Christie, Henderson, Morgan and Mallan who are not getting game time that we should be after.


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MSK
17-12-2017, 05:15 PM
I think we have to go for younger player.
I would like us to go for Niall McGinn but his age worries me. It might be better to get creative with a deal for Lewis Morgan. I know Celtic are interested but we can offer him something they can’t which is first team football.
I think we have the 2nd oldest squad in the league and the number of injuries we are getting reflects that.
There are players such as Christie, Henderson, Morgan and Mallan who are not getting game time that we should be after.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkChristie & Morgan play almost every week, Christie will be going back to celtic after his loan at sheep so prob no chance we could afford him

Ozyhibby
17-12-2017, 05:22 PM
Christie & Morgan play almost every week, Christie will be going back to celtic after his loan at sheep so prob no chance we could afford him

It doesn’t look like Christie has a Celtic future though and obviously Morgan is playing just now but will be on the move soon anyway. Just because other teams can offer more does not mean we can’t be an attractive destination for a young player.


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murray26
17-12-2017, 05:36 PM
I think we have to go for younger player.
I would like us to go for Niall McGinn but his age worries me. It might be better to get creative with a deal for Lewis Morgan. I know Celtic are interested but we can offer him something they can’t which is first team football.
I think we have the 2nd oldest squad in the league and the number of injuries we are getting reflects that.
There are players such as Christie, Henderson, Morgan and Mallan who are not getting game time that we should be after.


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This is where I am.. definitely need a couple of young hungry players to improve things.. still loads to play for this season but so far recruitment has worried me.

MWHIBBIES
17-12-2017, 05:37 PM
Its not a pointless thread, the team needs fresh faces so no harm in debating in who or what needs replaced. Our weaknesses have been exposed time & again so they need addressed, most teams will be looking at new recruitments come Jan, do you think we should just go with what we have ?

Our weaknesses haven't really been exposed time and time again. 3/4 weeks ago we were cruising. We've hit some bad form, its up to the players and manager to fix that. When everyone is on form we're just fine, its getting back to that we need to focus on.

I'm not saying we should go with that we have, I'm saying we shouldn't start judging players based purely on poor performances. Not 1 of these players have been poor all season. All played a part in positive performances.

NAE NOOKIE
17-12-2017, 05:43 PM
After we beat Dundee for the 4th win in a row all our signings were great. Hopefully in a few weeks we'll all be happy again.

Pointless thread really, judging players with a negative result still fresh in the memory.

To be honest I posted almost exactly the same opinion as the OP on another thread before the Aberdeen game, so I wouldn't say his post is a knee jerk reaction to a terrible result and performance ... after all, most of the players he mentions hardly kicked a ball in that game and haven't all season and that's the problem here .... we have a relatively thin squad where most of the players are under no pressure to perform consistently because the players they are keeping out don't appear to be rated by the manager.

Mateluvicius ....... should be licking his lips at the poor to average scoring form of Stokes and Murray, but Oli Shaw is preferred or NL plays one up front.

Slivka ...... Bartley is a one dimensional player and offers nothing in the opponents half and when you watch McGinn and McGeouch play for the most part they are picking up the ball between our box and half way line and not making the driving runs you would hope for ... Slivka has shown he can run with the ball, but NL just wont play him.

Whittaker ..... Looks well off the pace and isn't any better at defending than he was in his first spell here ... only Gray's injury problems are keeping him on the first team radar IMO ... 3 years is beginning to look like an error of judgment.

Murray ..... If we can teach him that just running about is only half the game he could be a decent striker, still hope for him.

Barker .... Looks like on his day he can be a real success, but I wonder if Man City will want to send him to a different league after this season.

Ambrose .... Has been more of a success than a failure, but I suppose we will have to accept he will do the odd daft thing ... the less the better though.

Swanson .... I appreciate he has had off field and injury problems, but as a contributor to the season he has to be deemed a total failure so far.

Stokes ..... A big act of faith by the manager and it isn't being repaid, not when he's at the stage of dropping a player he recently described as undroppable.

The Modfather
17-12-2017, 05:51 PM
Our weaknesses haven't really been exposed time and time again. 3/4 weeks ago we were cruising. We've hit some bad form, its up to the players and manager to fix that. When everyone is on form we're just fine, its getting back to that we need to focus on.

I'm not saying we should go with that we have, I'm saying we shouldn't start judging players based purely on poor performances. Not 1 of these players have been poor all season. All played a part in positive performances.

One of our weaknesses is that we don’t score anywhere near enough goals or put games to bed anything like as much as we should. That’s been the case for 3 or 4 seasons now. Nothing to do with a one off horror show yesterday.

MSK
17-12-2017, 05:56 PM
Our weaknesses haven't really been exposed time and time again. 3/4 weeks ago we were cruising. We've hit some bad form, its up to the players and manager to fix that. When everyone is on form we're just fine, its getting back to that we need to focus on.

I'm not saying we should go with that we have, I'm saying we shouldn't start judging players based purely on poor performances. Not 1 of these players have been poor all season. All played a part in positive performances.Weaknesses have been exposed though & to improve & move up a notch we have to look at those positions, for the better, centre half, goalscoring midfielder, fox in a box striker or a Holt style striker. I totally agree the team so far have put in a few excellent performances but the squad lacks additional quality & no harm in getting in a few fresh faces

wookie70
17-12-2017, 06:07 PM
Last season wasn't really any better but I suppose some were made for a specific purpose.



Grant Holt (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=17954)
Wigan (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2783&season_id=149&teamTabs=transfers)
Free
01 Jul, 2016


Ross Laidlaw (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=57265)
Raith (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2102&season_id=149&teamTabs=transfers)
Free
01 Jul, 2016


Brian Graham (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=43743)
Ross County (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2117&season_id=149&teamTabs=transfers)
Unknown
19 Aug, 2016


Neal Eardley (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=43760)
Birmingham (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=291&season_id=149&teamTabs=transfers)
Free
29 Sep, 2016


Kevin Dabrowski (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=102616)
Lech Poznan (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1513&season_id=149&teamTabs=transfers)
Unknown
25 Jan, 2017


Scott Gallacher (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=43633)
St Mirren (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2475&season_id=149&teamTabs=transfers)
Unknown
27 Jan, 2017










Here are Stubbs signings from the previous year. Lot's of players who are pretty forgettable, short term loans or youngsters but also a fair chunk of our current first 11 and most consistent players.


Mark Oxley (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=48359)
Hull (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1310&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Free
01 Jul, 2015


Martin Boyle (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=53039)
Dundee (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=737&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Signed
01 Jul, 2015


Daniel Carmichael (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=55538)
Queen of Sth (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2090&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Signed
01 Jul, 2015


James Keatings (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=57795)
Hearts (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1289&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Signed
01 Jul, 2015


Antonio Reguero (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=65257)
Ross County (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2117&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Signed
06 Jul, 2015


Marvin Bartley (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=46678)
Leyton Orient (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1537&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Free
17 Jul, 2015


John McGinn (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=65810)
St Mirren (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2475&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Signed
31 Jul, 2015


Dylan McGeouch (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=62831)
Celtic (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=512&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Signed
22 Aug, 2015


Darren McGregor (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=36537)
Rangers (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2104&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Signed
25 Aug, 2015


Adam Eckersley (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=42487)
Hearts (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1289&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Unknown
11 Sep, 2015


Callum Donaldson (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=88582)
Nairn County (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1799&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Signed
25 Nov, 2015


Chris Dagnall (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=36344)
Leyton Orient (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1537&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Free
23 Dec, 2015


Kevin Thomson (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=36558)
Dundee (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=737&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Free
22 Jan, 2016


Otso Virtanen (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=69946)
Mariehamn (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=4365&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Free
24 Jan, 2016


Sean Mackie (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=86152)
Raith (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2102&season_id=145&teamTabs=transfers)
Unknown
28 Feb, 2016

emerald green
17-12-2017, 06:10 PM
When are Hibs going to sign a big reliable goalkeeper who commands his box and is good under high balls into the area?

Trouble is, you only get what you pay for.

MWHIBBIES
17-12-2017, 06:13 PM
When are Hibs going to sign a big reliable goalkeeper who commands his box and is good under high balls into the area?

Trouble is, you only get what you pay for.Oh ffs, everyone is looking for that. There are very few keepers in the world that do that and even if we signed them you'd get posts like this after a bad performance.

Its nothing to do with getting what you pay for, Rocky is an international keeper who has had many brilliant games for us. Give him a break.

FifeHibs
17-12-2017, 06:21 PM
Both Stokes and Murray have scored more league goals than Rooney, Stevie May and Griffiths this year.

Swanson was in the league team if the year last season.

Slivka requires more game time in a central role.

Whittaker is the best passing defender we have, some of his through balls for Boyle are far superior than what Gray or Stevenson can produce.

Rocky has his moments but in general is the best goalkeeper we have had in years.

SideBurns
17-12-2017, 06:21 PM
Oh ffs, everyone is looking for that. There are very few keepers in the world that do that and even if we signed them you'd get posts like this after a bad performance.

Its nothing to do with getting what you pay for, Rocky is an international keeper who has had many brilliant games for us. Give him a break.

Exactly. The best team in Scotland (still Celtic, despite today) have a keeper capable of brilliance but increasingly dodgy and, frankly, past his best.

Hi Heid Yin
17-12-2017, 06:22 PM
To date it's been a mostly exciting and satisfying season for us, with a sprinkle of highs and lows, elation and frustration.
Without question we are a quality side but prone to regular lapses in concentration at the back and failing to convert dominant possession and chances into goals.

Defence: we have quality individuals in each position, but a collective backline that all too regularly fails to keep clean sheets and is prone to individual clangers and poor decision-making. This, for me, is Neil Lennon's biggest worry - moulding a mean and ruthless backline.

Midfield: we are over subscribed in quality individuals, but the collective main failing is "not chipping in regularly with goals" and easing the pressure on our forwards.
John McGinn is a dynamo whose main failing is "not driving into the box consistently and having a pop" This aspect of his game is a frustration as he has it in his locker to be a regular "goal-scoring midfielder" . Assuming he goes in January, then I remain hopeful that Henderson arrives at his spiritual home and brings not only a similar dynamic as McGinn but "goals to boot" Slivka is a silky player, and Mcgeouch is arguably our best midfielder, but neither, as I keep emphasising, "chips-in" regularly.
Swanson scored a fair amount of goals as a St, Johnstone midfielder, but he has, for a variety of reasons well documented, not delivered for us this season. I am hopeful that we will see his return to the side in the 2nd half of the season and the "scoring/driving" midfielder he can be. He will be like a new signing if he can rediscover his St. Johnstone form.

Attack: Considering that Stokes is our marquee signing, his goals return from open play is poor, though other aspects of his game benefit the team. However, he carries the burden of expectation and it is "goals" that we expect and need from him on a regular basis. Regarding Murray, Boyle and Barker - 3 players whom I love to watch for their runs at defences, if these guys could supplement their mesmerising runs by "chipping-in" with goals, the pressure on Stokes, indeed the whole team, would be eased tremendously.
We simply don't have a poacher - a guy who is there for those tap ins or to convert half chances (ie Griffiths) Shaw is considered raw, inexperienced and "not ready" by some, but I personally would start to give him regular game time. He appears to have that uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time, ie Riordan and O'Connor. Time will tell us if he is of their quality.

I'm not sure if a so-called "poacher" is out there and available in the transfer market, but what I would give to see "Griffiths" return to ER (albeit on loan).

emerald green
17-12-2017, 06:25 PM
Oh ffs, everyone is looking for that. There are very few keepers in the world that do that and even if we signed them you'd get posts like this after a bad performance.

Its nothing to do with getting what you pay for, Rocky is an international keeper who has had many brilliant games for us. Give him a break.

Sorry, but I disagree. It is everything to do with getting what you pay for. If Hibs were able to pay millions of pounds for players, the club would have better players. It's really that simple. I'll point to Manchester City buying the title in England at the moment.

I'm not really sure you can say there are "very few" keepers in the world that can do that either.

I'm also not sure that you can say he has had "many brilliant games for us". Which games were these? He was badly at fault on Wednesday night, so much so that Lennon actually stated that publicly. He was dropped earlier in the season IIRC when Laidlaw came in to deputise.

He's not the worst goalkeeper Hibs have had in recent years. He has made some good saves in some games (one particular save against Dundee stands out), but that's what he's there to do. I just think he is lacking in the area I mentioned in my previous post. IMHO.

Hibbyradge
17-12-2017, 06:30 PM
When are Hibs going to sign a big reliable goalkeeper who commands his box and is good under high balls into the area?

Trouble is, you only get what you pay for.

Artur Boruc :wink:

chippy
17-12-2017, 06:44 PM
Although i believe if you put Slivka in centre mid you would see a very good player

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Maybe but Fraser Murray should get a few games and Porteous too they looked the real deal earlier

chippy
17-12-2017, 07:07 PM
Although i believe if you put Slivka in centre mid you would see a very good player

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Maybe but Fraser Murray should get a few games and Porteous too they looked the real deal earlier

MWHIBBIES
17-12-2017, 07:24 PM
Sorry, but I disagree. It is everything to do with getting what you pay for. If Hibs were able to pay millions of pounds for players, the club would have better players. It's really that simple. I'll point to Manchester City buying the title in England at the moment.

I'm not really sure you can say there are "very few" keepers in the world that can do that either.

I'm also not sure that you can say he has had "many brilliant games for us". Which games were these? He was badly at fault on Wednesday night, so much so that Lennon actually stated that publicly. He was dropped earlier in the season IIRC when Laidlaw came in to deputise.

He's not the worst goalkeeper Hibs have had in recent years. He has made some good saves in some games (one particular save against Dundee stands out), but that's what he's there to do. I just think he is lacking in the area I mentioned in my previous post. IMHO.

Your get what you pay for line implies Hibs went for a cheap option. That is rubbish.

If can only see his faults its a waste of time arguing with you. He has had many brilliant games for us, this season and last. Trust me, I've been to just about every single game hes ever played for us.

I am absolutely sure I can say very few keepers in the world do that. Go on, list 10 keepers in the world who command their box faultlessly. The best one right now, De Gea, has had many dodgy moments with crosses.

greenlex
17-12-2017, 07:44 PM
Rocky has saved us far more points in the last 6 games than he’s cost us.

wick hibby
17-12-2017, 07:54 PM
:agree::agree:
Although i believe if you put Slivka in centre mid you would see a very good player

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BSEJVT
17-12-2017, 08:13 PM
Maybe but Fraser Murray should get a few games and Porteous too they looked the real deal earlier

As much as I would like some young players and their energy in the team, neither Shaw nor Murray in particular are ready IMO, Murray has looked very timid in his SPL appearances to date and I am not sure he is even ready to be bled into the team. Shaw selectively is.

Porteous is physically ready but got badly caught out on his last appearance against St Johnstone and I am not sure if Lennon is re-assessing his readiness to play first team football again as a result.

I would play him in preference to Whittaker though and maybe at the moment McGregor who has IMO struggled badly since his return from injury.

We simply need to get some defensive / midfield energy back into the team and I will be astonished if Porteous & Slivka don't play v Ross County

wookie70
17-12-2017, 08:35 PM
As much as I would like some young players and their energy in the team, neither Shaw nor Murray in particular are ready IMO, Murray has looked very timid in his SPL appearances to date and I am sure he is evebn ready to be bled into the team. Shaw selectively is.

Porteous is physically ready but got badly caught out on his last appearance against St Johnstone and I am not sure if Lennon is re-assessing his readiness to play first team football again as a result.

I would play him in preference to Whittaker though and maybe at the moment McGregor who has IMO struggled badly since his return from injury.

We simply need to get some defensive / midfield energy back into the team and I will be astonished if Porteous & Slivka don't play v Ross County

Murray has played 19 minutes in the Premiership this season. Very unfair to say he has looked timid. 14 minutes in a 1-1 draw with Dundee in August and 5 minutes in the first game of the season. All of our central defenders have been badly caught this week never mind this season and at least Porteous is a serious goal threat at set pieces. Shaws goal to minutes played ratio is very good too in top class games but I don't think he is ready to start, saying that he has been as effective as our other central strikers recently.
Loyalty towards players can work both ways and I think there has been enough poor performances in the last 6 games to at least look at bringing the youngsters in a bit more.

emerald green
18-12-2017, 12:40 PM
Your get what you pay for line implies Hibs went for a cheap option. That is rubbish.

If can only see his faults its a waste of time arguing with you. He has had many brilliant games for us, this season and last. Trust me, I've been to just about every single game hes ever played for us.

I am absolutely sure I can say very few keepers in the world do that. Go on, list 10 keepers in the world who command their box faultlessly. The best one right now, De Gea, has had many dodgy moments with crosses.

That's not what I'm implying at all. What makes you assume that? Hibs can only afford what they can afford, or are prepared to pay. That's your first mistake.

Next, why are you assuming I can only see his faults? That's your second mistake. Re-read my previous posts I'd suggest.

No goalkeeper in the world commands his box faultlessly. I never claimed that either. Your third mistake.

MWHIBBIES
18-12-2017, 12:58 PM
That's not what I'm implying at all. What makes you assume that? Hibs can only afford what they can afford, or are prepared to pay. That's your first mistake.

Next, why are you assuming I can only see his faults? That's your second mistake. Re-read my previous posts I'd suggest.

No goalkeeper in the world commands his box faultlessly. I never claimed that either. Your third mistake.

Why is what we pay relevant if that is not what you are implying?

You have only listed his faults and refused to acknowledge the many great games he has had for Hibs. He was great during our 4 game win streak, got us a point against Celtic last weekend, was the difference in quite a few close games last season and made a world class save at Tynie to stop us getting put out by Cathros Hearts side.

You asked for a big keeper who commands his box, very few exist and none of them do it flawlessly so why are you complaining that Hibs don't have one? We don't have a midfielder that commands the midfield consistently enough either or a forward that scores regularly enough.

FilipinoHibs
18-12-2017, 01:09 PM
Big Dave, Whitty, Swanson been a huge let dgown so far. Swanson though has had his reasons and can fully understand why his head wasn’t in the game. Now though if he gets the chance he must step up.

Slivka I’ve no idea if he’s good or not, needs more games under his belt! But overall can’t say any of the signings I thought would be good have stood out.
Shocking at Firhill. No interest or confidence.

MWHIBBIES
18-12-2017, 01:14 PM
Shocking at Firhill. No interest or confidence.Slivka? That is just not true at all.

emerald green
18-12-2017, 09:29 PM
Why is what we pay relevant if that is not what you are implying?

You have only listed his faults and refused to acknowledge the many great games he has had for Hibs. He was great during our 4 game win streak, got us a point against Celtic last weekend, was the difference in quite a few close games last season and made a world class save at Tynie to stop us getting put out by Cathros Hearts side.

You asked for a big keeper who commands his box, very few exist and none of them do it flawlessly so why are you complaining that Hibs don't have one? We don't have a midfielder that commands the midfield consistently enough either or a forward that scores regularly enough.

Go back to my post #27 & re-read it. I can only assume you still haven't read it properly or have completely misinterpreted it. I'll try again.

I would like Hibs to sign a big reliable goalkeeper who commands his box & is good under high balls, i.e. better at that than Marciano.

My second sentence means Hibs might not be able to afford such a top quality goalkeeper. As far as I'm aware, Hibs have a budget and it's not unlimited.

Now see last sentence in my post #31. Where does it say I can only see Marciano's faults? :dunno: Nonetheless, NL felt it necessary to point these faults out after the Rangers match, and also dropped him earlier. You make no comment about that.

No goalkeeper yet born is faultless, but I believe there may be others who are better than Marciano at this aspect of goalkeeping.

Yes, I would also like a midfielder and a forward like you describe too.

Anyway, time for me to bow out of this one I think.

MWHIBBIES
18-12-2017, 10:23 PM
Go back to my post #27 & re-read it. I can only assume you still haven't read it properly or have completely misinterpreted it. I'll try again.

I would like Hibs to sign a big reliable goalkeeper who commands his box & is good under high balls, i.e. better at that than Marciano.

My second sentence means Hibs might not be able to afford such a top quality goalkeeper. As far as I'm aware, Hibs have a budget and it's not unlimited.

Now see last sentence in my post #31. Where does it say I can only see Marciano's faults? :dunno: Nonetheless, NL felt it necessary to point these faults out after the Rangers match, and also dropped him earlier. You make no comment about that.

No goalkeeper yet born is faultless, but I believe there may be others who are better than Marciano at this aspect of goalkeeping.

Yes, I would also like a midfielder and a forward like you describe too.

Anyway, time for me to bow out of this one I think.

So if you aren't implying we have went cheap on a keeper you are essentially saying ''I'd love Hibs to sign Messi but we cant afford him''. Terrific.

You can only see his faults because you haven't acknowledged his strengths. He is a very good keeper on his day as he showed last weekend with a great performance vs Celtic.

I want a keeper who stops the ball going in the net, we'll do well to get better than Rocky.

emerald green
19-12-2017, 10:28 AM
So if you aren't implying we have went cheap on a keeper you are essentially saying ''I'd love Hibs to sign Messi but we cant afford him''. Terrific.

You can only see his faults because you haven't acknowledged his strengths. He is a very good keeper on his day as he showed last weekend with a great performance vs Celtic.

I want a keeper who stops the ball going in the net, we'll do well to get better than Rocky.

Are you just being deliberately slow to understand because you don't want to admit that you might just be wrong? You're certainly being very selective in choosing which of my points you fancy responding to into the bargain, and twisting things to suit your own argument.

Anyway, life's too short for this. :bye:

Ozyhibby
19-12-2017, 10:31 AM
I’m happy with Rocky and I’m happy with Stevenson. I think we need a right back, a goalscoring midfielder and a striker.


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