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ArmadaleHibs
16-12-2017, 12:22 PM
So looks very much like one point from 3 teams above us. Play as much pretty football as you want but that just isn’t good enough. Severely lacking up front and calamitous at the back.

Dissspointed is an understatement

SRHibs
16-12-2017, 12:25 PM
lol

Beefster
16-12-2017, 12:25 PM
So looks very much like one point from 3 teams above us. Play as much pretty football as you want but that just isn’t good enough. Severely lacking up front and calamitous at the back.

Dissspointed is an understatement

Away and talk *****.

sleeping giant
16-12-2017, 12:26 PM
Nae bother

stoneyburn hibs
16-12-2017, 12:27 PM
Away and lie doon man.

Pete
16-12-2017, 12:30 PM
To be honest, two was my target over these three games.

Draw against sevco, draw against sheep and nothing off Celtic.

If we get nothing from today we need to move on and put the lesser teams away.

Borderhibbie76
16-12-2017, 12:34 PM
Some posters on here forget this is our 1st season back...top 2 or 3 was never realistic and some need to get real. If we finish top 4 I will be delighted. 3 games in 6 days against the top 3 is a tough ask for anyone and weds would have taken a lot out the team emotionally and physically. Overreaction central on here tho as per

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ArmadaleHibs
16-12-2017, 12:36 PM
Some posters on here forget this is our 1st season back...top 2 or 3 was never realistic and some need to get real. If we finish top 4 I will be delighted. 3 games in 6 days against the top 3 is a tough ask for anyone and weds would have taken a lot out the team emotionally and physically. Overreaction central on here tho as per

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I’m sorry but it’s not an over reaction. There’s no panic. Merely saying I don’t think it’s good enough. How dare I have an opinion

SRHibs
16-12-2017, 12:39 PM
I’m sorry but it’s not an over reaction. There’s no panic. Merely saying I don’t think it’s good enough. How dare I have an opinion

You’re basically suggesting a complete overhaul of our team. I would say that’s a slight overreaction especially within the context of our last 2 performances vs the OF.

Beefster
16-12-2017, 12:39 PM
I’m sorry but it’s not an over reaction. There’s no panic. Merely saying I don’t think it’s good enough. How dare I have an opinion

I always find that chat bizarre. Have your opinion but if you choose to publicise it, prepare to be challenged or told you are talking utter pish.

Borderhibbie76
16-12-2017, 12:40 PM
I’m sorry but it’s not an over reaction. There’s no panic. Merely saying I don’t think it’s good enough. How dare I have an opinionIt's an over reaction mate...we have no divine right to be expecting to beat the top 3 sides in the country. Had we won as we deserved too on weds it would have been 4 which would have been very decent.

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ArmadaleHibs
16-12-2017, 12:56 PM
If people think it’s an over reaction then that’s fine, and I’m more than happy to be slaughtered if that’s what people want to do. I see what I see and others see differently. I’m still of the opinion that it’s not good enough if we are to go by how good we’ve been according to some on here. We are currently 4 down to Aberdeen with nearly 25-30 minutes to go and we look woeful

NOLA
16-12-2017, 01:11 PM
A game too far I’m afraid. Doesn’t get tougher than the top 3 teams in one week. Or is this the start of the famous Hibs winter collapse [emoji848][emoji51]


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calumhibee1
16-12-2017, 01:14 PM
You’re basically suggesting a complete overhaul of our team. I would say that’s a slight overreaction especially within the context of our last 2 performances vs the OF.

When did he even hint at a complete overhaul? He’s said it’s not good enough, and it’s not. Do you think that some of the goals we’ve conceded haven’t been calamitous? Because they have. Do you think we’re lacking upfront? Because again, we are. We’ve conceded 8 goals in 3 games and picked up one point. It’s pish and suggesting as much is absolutely not an over reaction.

IGRIGI
16-12-2017, 01:15 PM
Not sure what is wrong with the OP, it's spot on.

Kavinho
16-12-2017, 01:20 PM
Not sure what is wrong with the OP, it's spot on.

It has no recognition of how far we have come and highlights unrealistic expectations

ArmadaleHibs
16-12-2017, 01:23 PM
It has no recognition of how far we have come and highlights unrealistic expectations

Unrealistic expectations. Go to any other post on this sight and you will se unrealistic expectations. I honestly think the OP has been taking out of context by some. I expect us not to get hammered by Aberdeen and if that’s unrealistic then 👍🏻

calumhibee1
16-12-2017, 01:48 PM
It has no recognition of how far we have come and highlights unrealistic expectations

Expecting to pick up more than one point out of three big games, two of which were at home, and one of them against a time who don’t have a clue what’s happening with a manager is far from unrealistic expectations. And that’s before you even consider that we got absolutely skelped today. Have we really came that far? Since when? Butchers team? Maybe. Since last season? No we’ve not.

Roxyhibee
16-12-2017, 01:56 PM
You’re basically suggesting a complete overhaul of our team. I would say that’s a slight overreaction especially within the context of our last 2 performances vs the OF.

When did he say that.?

If you can't see how lacking we are up front and how that is becoming a worrying problem for us, that's fine. But the fact remains we are fast becoming easy to read going forward and have no presence up front.

3 of our last 4 goals have come from deflections - 2 of them from defenders.

neil7908
16-12-2017, 02:01 PM
We won't truly know that this result means IMO until the next 3 fixtures are over and we head into the winter break.

Roxyhibee
16-12-2017, 02:03 PM
You’re basically suggesting a complete overhaul of our team. I would say that’s a slight overreaction especially within the context of our last 2 performances vs the OF.

Oh and by the way, those last 2 performances against the old firm really weren't as good as you seem to be proclaiming.

Last 20 mins against Celtic we did well but were dominated the entire game before that.

Played well enough against Newco, but they let us basically Alamo them for 45 mins and we couldn't even get an equaliser. Not that great..

Hibby Kay-Yay
16-12-2017, 03:16 PM
Should have been 4 but there we have it. It’s now very important getting points from those below us.

We can turn in the performance, just need for all of our game to come together. It’s a bit like being solid from tee to green and then mucking up your putting. Once everything clicks, we’ll batter someone. Just like what Aberdeen done to us today.

Onion
16-12-2017, 03:19 PM
We won't truly know that this result means IMO until the next 3 fixtures are over and we head into the winter break.

Exactly. Normally do well against the bigger clubs and collapse when least expected against garbage. We've got 3 garbage teams coming up next, let's see how Neil motivates them over next 10 days.

WillowbraeHibby
16-12-2017, 03:25 PM
Not sure what is wrong with the OP, it's spot on.

It is..

O'Rourke3
16-12-2017, 03:53 PM
I love these threads after a poor result. We had a bad day at the office after a tough run of games. Do what different? Change the players or the manager? Use different players? Use different tactics? Lennon changed formation twice in the game to try and improve things. We are all disapointed today - apart from the trolls across the city. We are playing better fitter teams every game and learning every week. Relax, eat drink or whatever and the roll up next week for County.

Mainstandman
16-12-2017, 05:57 PM
Reality check you need. 2 league games against the teams above us. We're level with Celtic and Rangers lost 6 to Aberdeen. I think that's good a for a team just up. Mcinnes has had that team for a few years to get them were they are, we need Lennon to stay 5 years. We've lost the same number of games as rangers and Aberdeen.

Im enjoying the football just now. I've seen some dreadful stuff whilst standing on the east terrace before and this is good stuff now.

steelendhibs
16-12-2017, 06:38 PM
Reality check you need. 2 league games against the teams above us. We're level with Celtic and Rangers lost 6 to Aberdeen. I think that's good a for a team just up. Mcinnes has had that team for a few years to get them were they are, we need Lennon to stay 5 years. We've lost the same number of games as rangers and Aberdeen.

Im enjoying the football just now. I've seen some dreadful stuff whilst standing on the east terrace before and this is good stuff now.

100% agree

mca
16-12-2017, 06:51 PM
Reality check you need. 2 league games against the teams above us. We're level with Celtic and Rangers lost 6 to Aberdeen. I think that's good a for a team just up. Mcinnes has had that team for a few years to get them were they are, we need Lennon to stay 5 years. We've lost the same number of games as rangers and Aberdeen.

Im enjoying the football just now. I've seen some dreadful stuff whilst standing on the east terrace before and this is good stuff now.


:aok:

SideBurns
16-12-2017, 07:43 PM
The games where we've been extremely poor and lost (Saints & Hamilton at home, and today) have a common theme - a usually reliable defence has had a nightmare, and that has coincided with an insipid attacking performance. However, the back four/three has generally been good, and our victories have been largely due to solid defending in tight games. Because we don't score enough goals,the defence can't get away with an off-day. Our strikers aren't prolific, and McGinn is the only midfielder who shoots; albeit, most of his attempts are pretty poor. I don't understand why a player as technically gifted as McGeouch doesn't possess the confidence to have a crack at goal from 20 yards. Until we start scoring more regularly, every defensive mistake is liable to lead to a loss of points.

we are hibs
16-12-2017, 08:02 PM
some people have their heads well and truly in the sand. 1 point out of those 3 games and the manner of the defeat today are unacceptable. How long can the "first season back" excuse be used? We are now 5 months into the season ffs

hibbysam
16-12-2017, 08:06 PM
some people have their heads well and truly in the sand. 1 point out of those 3 games and the manner of the defeat today are unacceptable. How long can the "first season back" excuse be used? We are now 5 months into the season ffs

If we finish 4th and get into Europe then days like today will be quickly forgotten about. Majority at the start of the season said ‘top 6’, those expectations shouldn’t be revised mid-season. Sitting 4th is higher than expected an days like today will happen. We went 6 without winning in September and came back to go on a great run, this will happen. Yes today was poor, but last Sunday was exceptional, can’t slate one without going over the top the other way, or we could just be reasonable and understand we are doing very well generally.

we are hibs
16-12-2017, 08:14 PM
If we finish 4th and get into Europe then days like today will be quickly forgotten about. Majority at the start of the season said ‘top 6’, those expectations shouldn’t be revised mid-season. Sitting 4th is higher than expected an days like today will happen. We went 6 without winning in September and came back to go on a great run, this will happen. Yes today was poor, but last Sunday was exceptional, can’t slate one without going over the top the other way, or we could just be reasonable and understand we are doing very well generally.


When we went 6 without winning we didn't put in a gutless performance like today. By far the worst we've been since relegation. With the squad and the ability we have we should be finishing 4th, there are no one currently below us who should be finishing ahead of us this season. We aren't going to win every game but I expect more from a hibs team than to go down with a whimper to a side who are supposed to be one of our main rivals this season.

ancient hibee
16-12-2017, 08:19 PM
When we went 6 without winning we didn't put in a gutless performance like today. By far the worst we've been since relegation. With the squad and the ability we have we should be finishing 4th, there are no one currently below us who should be finishing ahead of us this season. We aren't going to win every game but I expect more from a hibs team than to go down with a whimper to a side who are supposed to be one of our main rivals this season.
Agree it was a poor display but we are in the position you expect us to finish in and lost to one of the teams you expect us to finish behind so your point is?

hibbysam
16-12-2017, 08:20 PM
When we went 6 without winning we didn't put in a gutless performance like today. By far the worst we've been since relegation. With the squad and the ability we have we should be finishing 4th, there are no one currently below us who should be finishing ahead of us this season. We aren't going to win every game but I expect more from a hibs team than to go down with a whimper to a side who are supposed to be one of our main rivals this season.

Weren’t you at Hamilton at home??

we are hibs
16-12-2017, 08:22 PM
Agree it was a poor display but we are in the position you expect us to finish in and lost to one of the teams you expect us to finish behind so your point is?


We didn't just lose though, we got absolutely annihilated. There was no character from any single player today. Not one of them showed anything.

we are hibs
16-12-2017, 08:23 PM
Weren’t you at Hamilton at home??


I was was and at least they tried to do the right things and had a poor day at the office, today wasn't a poor day at the office it was half hearted and extremely poor against one of the sides we should be comparing ourselves to

hibbysam
16-12-2017, 08:26 PM
I was was and at least they tried to do the right things and had a poor day at the office, today wasn't a poor day at the office it was half hearted and extremely poor against one of the sides we should be comparing ourselves to

I’m not going to compare us to a side that’s been built over the space of 5 years and has consistently challenged Celtic until last year, where they finished miles ahead of everyone else. We build to that point but we will have days like today, especially 2 and a half days after a very tough game at home on Wednesday which the players put everything into. I’ll wait and see how the boys react to today, rather than proclaim everything is doom and gloom because of a poor performance.

ancient hibee
16-12-2017, 08:27 PM
We didn't just lose though, we got absolutely annihilated. There was no character from any single player today. Not one of them showed anything.

I agree with all that and it shouldn’t have happened.I’m just making the point that we are doing as well as you expect us to do.For me it was a pity that the Aberdeen game wasn’t the first of the three.

Onion
16-12-2017, 08:40 PM
Reality check you need. 2 league games against the teams above us. We're level with Celtic and Rangers lost 6 to Aberdeen. I think that's good a for a team just up. Mcinnes has had that team for a few years to get them were they are, we need Lennon to stay 5 years. We've lost the same number of games as rangers and Aberdeen.

Im enjoying the football just now. I've seen some dreadful stuff whilst standing on the east terrace before and this is good stuff now.

Agree, we're in a decent place given we've just been promoted, but lets not play down the difficulty in maintaining the players motivation over a number of years when there is next to nothing to play for. Celtic have the league and most of the cups wrapped up. What Aberdeen and McIness are doing is exceptional. They had the foresight in 2012 to build an excellent squad, lived off one LC win in 20 odd years and yet are still pushing forward.

Yams got the "nearly out of business" kicker for a few years but that's run its course. They are now realising what it's like to live with their means, with a crap manager and a bunch of average players. The real test for Hibs will come next year and the year after that, when there is no "bounce back" and the euphoria of May 2016 is a distant memory. That will be a test of how good a manager/team we really have.

SideBurns
16-12-2017, 08:52 PM
I was was and at least they tried to do the right things and had a poor day at the office, today wasn't a poor day at the office it was half hearted and extremely poor against one of the sides we should be comparing ourselves to

I didnae see the game, but it appears that the manner of the defeat is what has shocked people and is provoking understandably angry reactions such as yours. That it is so atypical of this Hibs team gives hope that it won't be repeated; a lack of fight is something Neil Lennon won't tolerate. There are obvious problems which have cost us points this season and which I'd imagine Lennon will attempt to rectify in the transfer window, but the team that showed v Celtic that they don't know when they're beaten is the one I expect to see next Saturday, irrespective of performance levels.

emerald green
16-12-2017, 09:44 PM
We didn't just lose though, we got absolutely annihilated. There was no character from any single player today. Not one of them showed anything.

:agree: It was the manner of the defeat today which has angered many supporters. Somebody told me they looked totally disinterested. Why ffs?