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Billy Whizz
14-12-2017, 06:36 PM
Probably deserves a thread of its own,
Thought I’d have a look at how clubs like PNE can outbid Hibs/Aberdeen etc for the likes of Moult.
It’s not a dig at PNE, but showing why, at the moment, we have no chance when English Championships clubs look at players in Scotland

Moult is signing for around £500k, and wages of around £10k per week!

Looking at their accounts up to 30th June 2017
Turnover was £11.9 million
Loss after taxation £852,000
Ave attendance was 12,611
Season ticket holders 7,605

It’s when you see the breakdown of their turnover, it’s obvious we are really poor relations in Scotland in TV revenue payments

Year to 2017
Season and match day ticket sales £3,699 million

Premier league and English football league distributions and televised games - £6,758 million (up from £4,759 million in 2017)

Commercial and media revenue - £1,255 million
Merchandising £104,000
Other income £140,000
Total £11,956,000

Over 56% of turnover from PL deals etc, unbelievable

There are at least 5 clubs in Scotland who are much bigger than PNE, so until we get a much much better TV deal, we just can’t compete

Scotland gets £20 million per season, divided by 12 clubs

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/what-fans-can-do-to-help-improve-scottish-football-s-tv-deal-1-4348968/amp

Michael
14-12-2017, 06:41 PM
Preston's turnover is actually less than I expected then. Isn't that roughly what Aberdeen turned over last season?

Billy Whizz
14-12-2017, 06:44 PM
Preston's turnover is actually less then I expected then. Isn't that roughly what Aberdeen turned over last season?

Think it was without the massive TV injection Preston got

ancient hibee
14-12-2017, 06:47 PM
To digress.Saw PNE at Easter Road some time ago.They had a guy, Finney, playing-he was quite good.

HoboHarry
14-12-2017, 06:48 PM
To digress.Saw PNE at Easter Road some time ago.They had a guy, Finney, playing-he was quite good.
Christ your old. Was the game in black and white?

:greengrin

Hibernia&Alba
14-12-2017, 06:51 PM
Isn't the English Championship the fifth richest league in the world or something?

ancient hibee
14-12-2017, 06:52 PM
Christ your old. Was the game in black and white?

:greengrin

Certainly Preston were:greengrin

Smartie
14-12-2017, 06:54 PM
We have had a real problem marketing our game in this country, mainly because we've entrusted the task to idiots who continually talk us down. We've also taken on the slightly unhelpful tendency towards comparing our game to England, a comparison that we're never going to come out favourably in.

We've lost so much ground it is going to be almost impossible to come back from.

It is criminal how little we have accepted being paid for our "product".

It's not like our viewing figures are that far behind those involving English sides to justify such a difference either.

There is a lot to like about Scottish football at the moment. I actually really like the BT coverage of it too.

Hopefully at some point we can get shot of the likes of Regan, Doncaster and their Armageddon crap, start talking our game up a bit and get something a bit closer to what we deserve.

Chip shop Joe
14-12-2017, 07:02 PM
The fact that they are spending 500k on a guy they can get for nothing in 6 months highlights how much cash they have available.

I think Motherwell have done very well to get that amount. He is an excellent player of that there is no doubt but to get that sum when he was away in the summer for nothing is very good business.

Jones28
14-12-2017, 09:10 PM
Folk compare the Scottish and English top leagues like they're the same thing which is the root of the problem. That's why Scottish football lost the big money when the authorities got too big for their boots and tried to demand extra.

Now we are in a position where clubs like PNE can pay X a week and we can't get anywhere near that.

Jonnyboy
14-12-2017, 09:40 PM
Certainly Preston were:greengrin

:faf: :top marks

Ozyhibby
15-12-2017, 01:26 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/78c027d2a9ab6021c4446116b5740efb.jpg

Look at some of the countries withsmaller populations with better deals than us. To be fair, I don’t think any of them have Neil Doncaster on their negotiating teams.


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Ozyhibby
15-12-2017, 01:27 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/78c027d2a9ab6021c4446116b5740efb.jpg

Look at some of the countries withsmaller populations with better deals than us. To be fair, I don’t think any of them have Neil Doncaster on their negotiating teams.



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Famous Fiver
15-12-2017, 01:32 PM
Did Finney fix the plumbing when he was here?

SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
15-12-2017, 02:07 PM
Probably deserves a thread of its own,
Thought I’d have a look at how clubs like PNE can outbid Hibs/Aberdeen etc for the likes of Moult.
It’s not a dig at PNE, but showing why, at the moment, we have no chance when English Championships clubs look at players in Scotland

Moult is signing for around £500k, and wages of around £10k per week!

Looking at their accounts up to 30th June 2017
Turnover was £11.9 million
Loss after taxation £852,000
Ave attendance was 12,611
Season ticket holders 7,605

It’s when you see the breakdown of their turnover, it’s obvious we are really poor relations in Scotland in TV revenue payments

Year to 2017
Season and match day ticket sales £3,699 million

Premier league and English football league distributions and televised games - £6,758 million (up from £4,759 million in 2017)

Commercial and media revenue - £1,255 million
Merchandising £104,000
Other income £140,000
Total £11,956,000

Over 56% of turnover from PL deals etc, unbelievable

There are at least 5 clubs in Scotland who are much bigger than PNE, so until we get a much much better TV deal, we just can’t compete

Scotland gets £20 million per season, divided by 12 clubs

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/what-fans-can-do-to-help-improve-scottish-football-s-tv-deal-1-4348968/amp

Why should we expect to compete with teams in a different league, in a different country that is the fifth biggest amd richest league in europe?

Tv companies pay as little as they can get away with - they are not charities.

Winston Ingram
15-12-2017, 02:10 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/78c027d2a9ab6021c4446116b5740efb.jpg

Look at some of the countries withsmaller populations with better deals than us. To be fair, I don’t think any of them have Neil Doncaster on their negotiating teams.


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There's 5.4m in Scotland

The only one that has a smaller population than us on that graphic is Norway and it's only smaller by about 100k. The reason Norays is so high is down to the fact that the place is chronically expensive to live.

Also I'm pretty sure Sevco and Celtic split 50% of the £19m between them and the other 50% goes to the rest of us.

easty
15-12-2017, 02:16 PM
It's not like our viewing figures are that far behind those involving English sides to justify such a difference either.


Is that true?

Winston Ingram
15-12-2017, 02:25 PM
Is that true?

I'd be surprised if that's true. Outwith the OF games, the last figures i saw were that SPFL games were averaging around 100k viewers.

Famous Fiver
15-12-2017, 02:27 PM
Does that include the 100,000 times I have watched Sir David Gray's goal at Hampden?:thumbsup:

ancient hibee
15-12-2017, 03:06 PM
Did Finney fix the plumbing when he was here?
There was certainly a few Preston goals on tap.

CMurdoch
15-12-2017, 03:20 PM
Denmark is the one that gets me.
Population very slightly higher than Scotland.
£46 million TV deal compared to our £19 million!!!

heidtheba
15-12-2017, 03:38 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/78c027d2a9ab6021c4446116b5740efb.jpg

Look at some of the countries withsmaller populations with better deals than us. To be fair, I don’t think any of them have Neil Doncaster on their negotiating teams.


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Can anyone tell me why Russia is so low? That was a shock.

CMurdoch
15-12-2017, 03:53 PM
Denmark is the one that gets me.
Population very slightly higher than Scotland.
£46 million TV deal compared to our £19 million!!

This makes even less sense when you know that the average attendances in the top Danish league is less than 6,000 per match day which is pathetic against the top Scottish league average of 15,500. In essence we are 2.5 times more interested in football than the Danish.

Ozyhibby
15-12-2017, 03:54 PM
Can anyone tell me why Russia is so low? That was a shock.

Probably not a free market as we understand it.


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Billy Whizz
15-12-2017, 03:55 PM
Why should we expect to compete with teams in a different league, in a different country that is the fifth biggest amd richest league in europe?

Tv companies pay as little as they can get away with - they are not charities.

Ok grumpy pants. I was only making a comparison of teams competing for Louis Moult

CMurdoch
15-12-2017, 04:02 PM
Can anyone tell me why Russia is so low? That was a shock.

One explanation is that their average attendance in the top league is only 11,333 which is 4,000 less than the average attendance in the SPL.
Basically they are not as interested in football as us and despite their vast population not many folk go to their club games

CMurdoch
15-12-2017, 04:06 PM
Average attendances in the SPL are only eclipsed by the top 2 leagues of Germany and England and the top leagues of Spain, Italy, France and Holland.
We are football daft in Scotland

SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
15-12-2017, 04:23 PM
Average attendances in the SPL are only eclipsed by the top 2 leagues of Germany and England and the top leagues of Spain, Italy, France and Holland.
We are football daft in Scotland

Whereas the people that run our game are just daft...

Wr need to be careful of averages though, as the OF skew that figure enormously - which backs up their argumet to take the lion share of the cash.

SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
15-12-2017, 04:24 PM
Ok grumpy pants. I was only making a comparison of teams competing for Louis Moult

Sorry, i didnt mean that to come across as grumpy, i just think when people make the comparison it is unhelpful. It isnjust a much bigger and richer country and league than us.

Diclonius
15-12-2017, 05:52 PM
You think it's bad now? In 2026 we'll be getting outbid by York City and Forest Green Rovers.

Greencore
16-12-2017, 03:38 AM
only two ways Scottish football can get better

1 - British league or join the English leagues for tv money.
2 - independence and the Scottish government invest in Scottish football.
or we get rid of the current set up Doncaster and co...

facts are we are the smallest nation in the photo (above) and the closest to us in population (Norway and Denmark) are more expensive country's to live in.

also Scottish football is expensive. the German set up is great value for money IMO.

Billy Whizz
16-12-2017, 09:28 AM
Sorry, i didnt mean that to come across as grumpy, i just think when people make the comparison it is unhelpful. It isnjust a much bigger and richer country and league than us.

No worries, just felt the comparison was fair, as we shop for the same players

IWasThere2016
16-12-2017, 09:45 AM
To digress.Saw PNE at Easter Road some time ago.They had a guy, Finney, playing-he was quite good.

Nice stadium PNE have. Was one of my favourites to visit last season. Aff to Elland Road today :greengrin