Short taken corners

[Ardenttwo]

Can anyone see any benefits Hibs have had from any short taken corners in fact there have been some balls ups from some. They must practice them at East Mains. But its not only Hibs I saw a few in the English Premiership yesterday and Rankers today so the coaches must seen something in a short taken corner

[HFCdeb]

One of my biggest bug bears about Hibs just now. Hoping when Swanson is back that our overall set piece quality improves.

[Sir David Gray]

Our long corners are usually even worse.

I have no idea what they practice during the week but if they do actually practice corners in training then we have a problem.

[greenlex]

It really has to drive our centre backs bonkers. Run the length of the park for adsutely no ball into the box. I’m not even going to mention the chances of us screwing it up and the opponent breaking in numbers with the defence still up the park. As has been said the delivery when we don’t take a short one in particular yesterday was abysmal. Come home Liam Son.

[aussie_hibee]

Haven’t we scored twice from short corners this season?

[greenlex]

Haven’t we scored twice from short corners this season?

No idea but we have taken dozens to no effect whatsoever.

[MWHIBBIES]

No idea but we have taken dozens to no effect whatsoever.

And we've taken dozens of long ones with no effect either. Its about the execution, not the idea.

[Ozyhibby]

Lennon has said in an interview that the reason we do short corners is because we don’t have anyone who can take a decent corner. Mcginn’s floaty balls in are easily dealt with.
Good a reason as any to get Henderson.


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[greenlex]

And we've taken dozens of long ones with no effect either. Its about the execution, not the idea.

I know. I know the reasoning behind the short one as well. My point is when all three centre backs are up the park we would be better served getting a lead free shot at getting the ball into the box however crowded rather than pissing about at the side of the park hoping for a better angle and less crowded box. As ever it’s always about the execution.

[wearethehibs]

I prefer short corners, ball can be whipped in from a better angle than just floating a ball into the box

[nonshinyfinish]

"I cheer for a corner, I don't know why, they rarely lead to a goal" (http://halfmanhalfbiscuit.uk/urge-for-offal/this-ones-for-now/)

I remember a stat from last season's EPL that 2.7% of corners resulted in a goal. I imagine if you have a prior dislike of a particular type of corner, you'll remember those unsuccessful corners far more than you'll remember unsuccessful corners of your preferred style.

More illuminating would be the percentage of our short and long corners resulting in a goal. Although given the low numbers of goals involved, you might need an entire season's worth to get a respectable sample size.

[Shrekko]

"I cheer for a corner, I don't know why, they rarely lead to a goal" (http://halfmanhalfbiscuit.uk/urge-for-offal/this-ones-for-now/)

I remember a stat from last season's EPL that 2.7% of corners resulted in a goal. I imagine if you have a prior dislike of a particular type of corner, you'll remember those unsuccessful corners far more than you'll remember unsuccessful corners of your preferred style.

More illuminating would be the percentage of our short and long corners resulting in a goal. Although given the low numbers of goals involved, you might need an entire season's worth to get a respectable sample size.

Excellent points.

Hardly any goals ever come from corners. It’s hardly surprising we’re trying different things.

Actually heard some morons booing at Killie when we took a short corner when we were 2 nil up.

[Flyingwaitor]

It does my box in when we take a short corner. So i done a wee bit research into it and there is only a 0.03% chance of scoring from ANY type of corner (20,000 corners analysed English Prem). No specifics for long or short that i could find. Doesn't answer any questions but could be the nerdiest fact of the day!

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[Viva_Palmeiras]

It does my box in when we take a short corner. So i done a wee bit research into it and there is only a 0.03% chance of scoring from ANY type of corner (20,000 corners analysed English Prem). No specifics for long or short that i could find. Doesn't answer any questions but could be the nerdiest fact of the day!

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So is it 0.03% since start of EPL and 2.7% just last season ?

[nonshinyfinish]

So is it 0.03% since start of EPL and 2.7% just last season ?

I suspect the 0.03% stat posted is actually 0.03 goals per corner, ie 3%.

[easty]

I heard an EPL manager talking about his team taking short corners earlier in the season, I cannae remember who it was though - he said its because the counter attack is such a weapon these days that a long ball into the box that's cleared can really cost you.

[Flyingwaitor]

It was just a study over 20,000 corners in the EPL. I cant remember the season. It all depends how you look at the stats and what stats haha. 0.03% is for every attaking corner. So if we had 100 corners we would expect 3 goals...or 3% (very close to the 2.7% you mentioned per corner). So the stats are about the same its just how they are interpreted i guess. To be accurate we would need a study of our own corners over a season or at least 100. As geeky as i am over stats id rather watch the game than do maths. I think what we have both assertained from the stats is that there is a pretty low chance of scoring. Remember though some teams will score more than others so the 2.7/3.0% is an average. We may be better...we may be worse! Ah stats...dont you just love em!

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[Nicho87]

David Zitellis corners were absolute screamers. Think we scored a good few from them.

[hibby6270]

I’m definitely not itk but my theory is that taking short corners draws 2 defenders out of the box, leaving more room/space for us to attack the ball when it comes into the box. It’s just so frustrating that a lot if the time we get closed down quickly and the ball, more often than not, never gets into the box. On that basis, you could argue short corners are a waste of a good opportunity based on our execution of them.

[My_Wife_Camille]

"I cheer for a corner, I don't know why, they rarely lead to a goal" (http://halfmanhalfbiscuit.uk/urge-for-offal/this-ones-for-now/)

I remember a stat from last season's EPL that 2.7% of corners resulted in a goal. I imagine if you have a prior dislike of a particular type of corner, you'll remember those unsuccessful corners far more than you'll remember unsuccessful corners of your preferred style.

More illuminating would be the percentage of our short and long corners resulting in a goal. Although given the low numbers of goals involved, you might need an entire season's worth to get a respectable sample size.
I've been quoting the 3% corner stat for a while to my mates to the point I've started getting ripped a bit for it!

It's like anything in football, if it's a bit different it's wrong. The funny thing about corners is that people contradict themselves without even realising it.

If you have the ball out wide and two or three players play some neat passing while trying to find a route into the box and end up winning a corner they are applauded for trying to 'play football'. However from the resulting corner if the same players work a short one and try and work the ball into the box in the same they are slated for not just getting the ball into the box.

[Alfiembra]

David Zitellis corners were absolute screamers. Think we scored a good few from them.

+1 :aok:

[greenlex]

I've been quoting the 3% corner stat for a while to my mates to the point I've started getting ripped a bit for it!

It's like anything in football, if it's a bit different it's wrong. The funny thing about corners is that people contradict themselves without even realising it.

If you have the ball out wide and two or three players play some neat passing while trying to find a route into the box and end up winning a corner they are applauded for trying to 'play football'. However from the resulting corner if the same players work a short one and try and work the ball into the box in the same they are slated for not just getting the ball into the box.
There’s a world of difference between getting the ball into the box to no one than to three big guys that have specifically jogged the length of the park to be there. If the chances are 3% then ours must be even worse than that at the moment. There were a fair share of short and long corners yesterday and they were equally abysmal in execution.

[Del Boy]

Short corner worked a treat for West Ham just before half time there....

[Hibernian Verse]

I remember a game in 2016 where we scored two corners in 10 minutes. Anyone else??

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[silverhibee]

Our long corners are usually even worse.

I have no idea what they practice during the week but if they do actually practice corners in training then we have a problem.

That made me laugh :thumbsup:

[greenlex]

I remember a game in 2016 where we scored two corners in 10 minutes. Anyone else??

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Cant say I do but that statistically must have been it for the season.

[silverhibee]

It really has to drive our centre backs bonkers. Run the length of the park for adsutely no ball into the box. I’m not even going to mention the chances of us screwing it up and the opponent breaking in numbers with the defence still up the park. As has been said the delivery when we don’t take a short one in particular yesterday was abysmal. Come home Liam Son.

If short corners are taken correctly then it should benefit the centre backs who come up for them, the short corner should be taken quickly and whipped in while dragging at least 3 players to the corner which should leave gaps and opposition defenders struggling to defend in the box, if we have 2 centre backs going up and your strikers in the box it should give us the advantage when the ball is whipped in.

This nonsense of short corner and trying to take on the 3 players being dragged to the ball is most of the time a accident waiting to happen and leaves our CBs struggling to get back if the ball is lost.

[CentreLine]

Now that big Daz is back I think we may see more success from corners. He gets on the end of things but also makes space for others.

[basehibby]

I believe that less than one in 20 corners results in a goal - so maybe worth trying something different.

Certainly it can be a bit easier to plonk the ball on someone's head from say 20 yards rather than the 30-40 that a direct corner would usually mean - IF that is, the short corner actually results in a ball into the box which is a big IF.

[jakedance]

I remember a game in 2016 where we scored two corners in 10 minutes. Anyone else??

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A genuine miracle. Just one of many great wee facts and stories on our cup win where all our stars aligned. A good throw in was involved too.

[Mibbes Aye]

Now that big Daz is back I think we may see more success from corners. He Gerso. The end of things but also makes space for others.

Pretty much where I am :agree:

[goosefat]

David Zitellis corners were absolute screamers. Think we scored a good few from them.

Could he still do a job for us?

🤔

[McSwanky]

David Zitellis corners were absolute screamers. Think we scored a good few from them.

Even better when he didn't take them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4BDhwReAIc

[Sergio sledge]

It was just a study over 20,000 corners in the EPL. I cant remember the season. It all depends how you look at the stats and what stats haha. 0.03% is for every attaking corner. So if we had 100 corners we would expect 3 goals...or 3% (very close to the 2.7% you mentioned per corner). So the stats are about the same its just how they are interpreted i guess. To be accurate we would need a study of our own corners over a season or at least 100. As geeky as i am over stats id rather watch the game than do maths. I think what we have both assertained from the stats is that there is a pretty low chance of scoring. Remember though some teams will score more than others so the 2.7/3.0% is an average. We may be better...we may be worse! Ah stats...dont you just love em!

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I was bored during my lunch hour at work, so as far as I can tell (based on stats from BBC and Soccerbase), we have had 195 corners so far this season in 23 competitive games.

If the 2.7% average is correct them we should have scored just over 5 goals from corners this season.

As far as I can tell we have scored 4 goals direct from corners and 3 goals from the 2nd phase of a corner, e.g. the ball is played back in or a shot is made after the initial corner is cleared. So that is 7 goals resulting from corners or 3.6%. Of those 7 I think 2 came from short corners.

What any of this means I don't know. Are we above average at scoring from corners?

[hughio]

I was bored during my lunch hour at work, so as far as I can tell (based on stats from BBC and Soccerbase), we have had 195 corners so far this season in 23 competitive games.

If the 2.7% average is correct them we should have scored just over 5 goals from corners this season.

As far as I can tell we have scored 4 goals direct from corners and 3 goals from the 2nd phase of a corner, e.g. the ball is played back in or a shot is made after the initial corner is cleared. So that is 7 goals resulting from corners or 3.6%. Of those 7 I think 2 came from short corners.

What any of this means I don't know. Are we above average at scoring from corners?

Wow!
Impressed by your diligence and attention to detail Sergio.

Its a shame nobody can tell what the stats actually mean though!

My overall impression is that we rarely create any danger from our corners and that's what the OP's getting at I think.
Most teams have at least one big centre back steaming in and trying to get on the end of corners.
We rarely seem to get the ball into an area where one of our big guys can get a run at it and have an attempt on goal.

Whether its the short corner or not its got to be put in that area where one of the bigger guys can have a go.

its such a basic thing its embarrassing we cant seem to do it.

[Ardenttwo]

Wow!
Impressed by your diligence and attention to detail Sergio.

Its a shame nobody can tell what the stats actually mean though!

My overall impression is that we rarely create any danger from our corners and that's what the OP's getting at I think.
Most teams have at least one big centre back steaming in and trying to get on the end of corners.
We rarely seem to get the ball into an area where one of our big guys can get a run at it and have an attempt on goal.

Whether its the short corner or not its got to be put in that area where one of the bigger guys can have a go.

its such a basic thing its embarrassing we cant seem to do it.

I remember Paul Hanlon header off a corner that got us the three points against the Huns at ER

[Jones28]

Now that big Daz is back I think we may see more success from corners. He gets on the end of things but also makes space for others.

Agreed, especially if someone in the team could actually whip a decent ball in.

[nonshinyfinish]

I was bored during my lunch hour at work, so as far as I can tell (based on stats from BBC and Soccerbase), we have had 195 corners so far this season in 23 competitive games.

If the 2.7% average is correct them we should have scored just over 5 goals from corners this season.

As far as I can tell we have scored 4 goals direct from corners and 3 goals from the 2nd phase of a corner, e.g. the ball is played back in or a shot is made after the initial corner is cleared. So that is 7 goals resulting from corners or 3.6%. Of those 7 I think 2 came from short corners.

What any of this means I don't know. Are we above average at scoring from corners?

That suggests we’re overperforming a bit on corners generally this season. Without knowing how many of the 195 corners were short or long we can’t say much beyond that.

Edit: don't know if the original 2.7% stat counted second-phase goals.

[macca70]

i reckon we’d have a better goal to corner percentage if we just whipped in every corner with pace with plenty movement in the box.

[Carheenlea]

I'm warming to them. More so when John McGinn is involved as we do seem to carve out some good chances from them. Always happy to see a ball fired in straight from corner flag too, but there are few more frustrating sights than the ball tamely floating into the keepers hands.

[nonshinyfinish]

i reckon we’d have a better goal to corner percentage if we just whipped in every corner with pace with plenty movement in the box.

Even if that’s true, given that Lennon has said part of the reason for the short corners is the lack of a specialist taker, it’s probably not an option right now.

[Ronniekirk]

Lennon saying no o e can deliver a corner into the box well Surely that needs addressed as we have Mcgregor Hanlon Fontain Porteous and Gray all capable of scoring a few goals a Season
Surely there must be one player on our books they could coach to whip in a good Delivery
Henderson showed hows its done and they worked on that for The Rangers game
With next midweek in mind it would be good to spring a surprise and reap the reward



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[nonshinyfinish]

Mon the short corners. :wink:

[greenlex]

Always been a fan. The future.

[KWJ]

Love a good shorty!

[lyonhibs]

Had a wee rant today until McGinn royally skinned Tierney and started the palaver that led to our first.

They're mostly still very poorly executed.

[nonshinyfinish]

Had a wee rant today until McGinn royally skinned Tierney and started the palaver that led to our first.

They're mostly still very poorly executed.

So are the traditional corners, mostly. Obviously the ideal would be a mixture, to keep teams guessing, all flawlessly executed.

[Ardenttwo]

Had a wee rant today until McGinn royally skinned Tierney and started the palaver that led to our first.

They're mostly still very poorly executed.

Totally agree about today. Every corner right into plookies hands