This story will divide opinion

[Hibbyradge]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/15/model-sells-her-virginity-for-3m-to-businessman-after-beating-bid-from-hollywood-actor-7081197/?ito=metrous

[Hibrandenburg]

She's 19 and can do with her body what she wants. What's to argue about?

[Hibbyradge]

She's 19 and can do with her body what she wants. What's to argue about?

On balance, I agree, but I imagine some may have a different opinion. I guess it depends on your view of prostitution.

However, many (most?) people lose their virginity in a pressured, fumbling and callow encounter which is probably as disappointing as it is regretful.

This girl is making an informed choice and it will literally change her life for ever.

Instinctively I balked what she's doing, but I'm not really sure why. It's her body.

Personally, as Billy Connolly said, I'd prefer a fire breathing whore to a virgin, but what do I know? 😂😂

[Pete]

Yeah, if I was spending all that money on a ride I’d prefer it to be with someone who knows what they’re doing.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Hey, good for her very enterprising. I don't think she has to justify herself as most folk will agree its her honour and her body to do with as she wishes. But she is a prostitute pure and simple, so long as she accepts that fact and is happy with it everything is cool.

Have to wonder about the 'punters' though ....... Even if I had all the money in the world the last thing I would spend 3 million quid on is a quickie with a teenage lassie, even if she was a model ... folk are mental lol.

[hibsbollah]

Sex now seems to be considered a commodity. Which I suppose shouldn't be a surprise. The fact she says the 'trend' of selling one's virginity is' 'empowering' is about as vacuous and depressing thing as I've heard for a while.

[Mr White]

Hey, good for her very enterprising. I don't think she has to justify herself as most folk will agree its her honour and her body to do with as she wishes. But she is a prostitute pure and simple, so long as she accepts that fact and is happy with it everything is cool.

Have to wonder about the 'punters' though ....... Even if I had all the money in the world the last thing I would spend 3 million quid on is a quickie with a teenage lassie, even if she was a model ... folk are mental lol.

That's it really... probably pocket change to him, a life changing fortune for her. Both parties happy so who else should care?

[Hibbyradge]

I wonder who the Hollywood actor is.

[Speedy]

Yes, it's her body but not sure what this says to normal young girls.

Also pretty uncomfortable with the companies profiting from such a thing.

[snooky]

There's the wee angel on my right shoulder and the wee devil on my left one.
The angel is saying "this is immoral and very tasteless". The devil is saying "go for it lassie".

Shades of the old joke ...
"Would you let me make love to you for a million pounds?"
"Yes" she says.
"Would you let me make love to you for a fiver?"
She retorts "Definitely not. What kind of girl do you think I am?"
He says "I think we've established that. We're just haggling over the price."

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Equally it is prostitution with social media as the pimp.

[Geo_1875]

I wonder if eBay have thought of joining in?

[MyJo]

It's her body to do what she wants with, if somebody is stupid enough to pay her 3 million quid for it then fair play to her for taking it. She certainly isn't the one being taken advantage of in this situation.

Personally i don't see the appeal but each to thier own.

[Just Jimmy]

A fool and their money are easily parted.

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[beensaidbefore]

It's her body to do what she wants with, if somebody is stupid enough to pay her 3 million quid for it then fair play to her for taking it. She certainly isn't the one being taken advantage of in this situation.

Personally i don't see the appeal but each to thier own.


Whilst not disagreeing with you entirely, does this give the thumbs up to prostitution in general? I find it hard to see that society would be agreeable to that.

[beensaidbefore]

She's 19 and can do with her body what she wants. What's to argue about?

Is it not illegal?

[Hibrandenburg]

Whilst not disagreeing with you entirely, does this give the thumbs up to prostitution in general? I find it hard to see that society would be agreeable to that.

I think society might have moved on since Queen Victoria died. Maybe moving prostitution off the streets and into safe and controlled surroundings might benefit society. Regardless of society's views on prostitution, it will happen anyway.

[beensaidbefore]

I think society might have moved on since Queen Victoria died. Maybe moving prostitution off the streets and into safe and controlled surroundings might benefit society. Regardless of society's views on prostitution, it will happen anyway.

Eh? What are you on about Queen Victoria?

I know it will happen anyway, but does pimping your girls over the net seem like progress to you?

[CropleyWasGod]

Is it not illegal?Selling sex is not illegal in Germany, where it's happening. Neither is it for adults in the UK.

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[Speedy]

Eh? What are you on about Queen Victoria?

I know it will happen anyway, but does pimping your girls over the net seem like progress to you?

Sold her virginity on the internet iirc

[Hibrandenburg]

Eh? What are you on about Queen Victoria?

I know it will happen anyway, but does pimping your girls over the net seem like progress to you?

There might not be a market for pimping your girls over the internet if there were safe establishments for the girls to ply their trades and command control over their own t&c's. Whether people like it or not prostitutes will look for punters and punters will seek out prostitutes, we might as well make it safe for them to do so and cash in on some extra income tax.

[Hibrandenburg]

Sold her virginity on the internet iirc

More a reference to Victorian values and the obsession to suppress and control anything to do with sexuality other than missionary sex within marriage.

[beensaidbefore]

There might not be a market for pimping your girls over the internet if there were safe establishments for the girls to ply their trades and command control over their own t&c's. Whether people like it or not prostitutes will look for punters and punters will seek out prostitutes, we might as well make it safe for them to do so and cash in on some extra income tax.

I agree. I spent last week in Amsterdam, and whilst I'm not sure a red light district I'd the way forward, something like our sauna set up before the Glasgow polis got involved. Sorry police Scotland.

[beensaidbefore]

Selling sex is not illegal in Germany, where it's happening. Neither is it for adults in the UK.

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Didn't realise it was Germany.

There was a woman in Edinburgh done for selling sex from her gorgie flat the other week. There seems to be a bit of a grey area around this.

[Hibrandenburg]

I agree. I spent last week in Amsterdam, and whilst I'm not sure a red light district I'd the way forward, something like our sauna set up before the Glasgow polis got involved. Sorry police Scotland.

Every reasonably large town has a brothel over here. The girls that work in them are self employed and pay to use the premises. They have to keep record of their income and it's taxed like any other. The girls also have to undergo regular "health" checks to ensure they're not transmitting diseases. Like any legitimate bussiness, there are some brothels that operate below the radar, but legalisation has seen this dwindle and also a decrease in working girls on the street. You'll never get rid of the seedy side to prostitution but when it's legal it at least helps keep the girls safe.

[beensaidbefore]

Every reasonably large town has a brothel over here. The girls that work in them are self employed and pay to use the premises. They have to keep record of their income and it's taxed like any other. The girls also have to undergo regular "health" checks to ensure they're not transmitting diseases. Like any legitimate bussiness, there are some brothels that operate below the radar, but legalisation has seen this dwindle and also a decrease in working girls on the street. You'll never get rid of the seedy side to prostitution but when it's legal it at least helps keep the girls safe.

But this is Scotland, and that is froward thinking and sensible. Therein lies the problem. We like to pretend we don't do that sort of disgraceful thing in this country,but all we really do is drive it underground and place it into the hands of criminals.

I'd go as far as to say it the same with drugs, especially weed, but that's a discussion for another thread.

[CropleyWasGod]

Didn't realise it was Germany.

There was a woman in Edinburgh done for selling sex from her gorgie flat the other week. There seems to be a bit of a grey area around this.

It was for brothel-keeping, which is different.

People working on their own are entitled to do so.
However, if 2 people work together ( for example, 2 women in the same flat, for safety reasons) that is illegal. It's caught under the brothel-keeping legislation. Go figure.

In this case, her partner counts as the 2nd person.

[lord bunberry]

Each to their own but it’s not for me. I would be pretty disappointed if my daughter did something like this.

[wpj]

More a reference to Victorian values and the obsession to suppress and control anything to do with sexuality other than missionary sex within marriage.

To be honest I don't think I have seen a missionary I have wanted to have sex with 😎
When I lived in Germany is wasn't unusual for guys to go to the brothel, particularly the Brits over on business.

[beensaidbefore]

It was for brothel-keeping, which is different.

People working on their own are entitled to do so.
However, if 2 people work together ( for example, 2 women in the same flat, for safety reasons) that is illegal. It's caught under the brothel-keeping legislation. Go figure

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Ah OK. Kinda makes sense, whilst being completely daft at the same time. I imagine there are plenty pimp type characters out there that this is aimed at, rather than women joining forces.

[Hibrandenburg]

But this is Scotland, and that is froward thinking and sensible. Therein lies the problem. We like to pretend we don't do that sort of disgraceful thing in this country,but all we really do is drive it underground and place it into the hands of criminals.

I'd go as far as to say it the same with drugs, especially weed, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Totally agree. The drugs thing is different though, giving a junky a safe environment to use is admirable but comes at a cost. Giving working girls the same will pay for itself, but like you say that's a discussion for another thread.

[Hibrandenburg]

To be honest I don't think I have seen a missionary I have wanted to have sex with 😎
When I lived in Germany is wasn't unusual for guys to go to the brothel, particularly the Brits over on business.

I actually met my ex wife outside in a cafe across from the red light district in Bremen. I was in there waiting for a few lads to do their business. I'm way too Scottish to even contemplate paying for sex but each to their own eh!

[beensaidbefore]

Totally agree. The drugs thing is different though, giving a junky a safe environment to use is admirable but comes at a cost. Giving working girls the same will pay for itself, but like you say that's a discussion for another thread.

I was thinking more along the lines of regulating the sale of drugs. A % of profit could be used for rehabilitation, raising awareness, and providing safe and clean environments for people. Much like prostitution, it's gonna happen, we just need to accept and deal with it in a sensible way.

[Pretty Boy]

There might not be a market for pimping your girls over the internet if there were safe establishments for the girls to ply their trades and command control over their own t&c's. Whether people like it or not prostitutes will look for punters and punters will seek out prostitutes, we might as well make it safe for them to do so and cash in on some extra income tax.

I've argued this for years.

People have paid for and sold sex for pretty much all of documented history. I'd argue it's somewhat foolish to believe that we can eradicate it's why not make it as safe as possible? Of course some will argue it legitimises it but that has to be better than women getting into strangers cars or using the numerous escort sites online to arrange to attend the house of someone they know nothing about.

As for the article it's a pretty sad tale that someone feels this is the best way to fund an education and travels but it's her body and I don't have the right to tell her what to do with it.

[lord bunberry]

I've argued this for years.

People have paid for and sold sex for pretty much all of documented history. I'd argue it's somewhat foolish to believe that we can eradicate it's why not make it as safe as possible? Of course some will argue it legitimises it but that has to be better than women getting into strangers cars or using the numerous escort sites online to arrange to attend the house of someone they know nothing about.

As for the article it's a pretty sad tale that someone feels this is the best way to fund an education and travels but it's her body and I don't have the right to tell her what to do with it.
In an ideal world selling your body for sex would be seen as a career choice, but the reality is it tends to be a world populated by criminals and drug addicts.
I remember watching a tv programme that followed a girl around as she worked as a prostitute, she was really clever and wasn’t being exploited in any way, you could even argue that she was exploiting the men she was visiting. Sadly in this country that’s an exception.

[CropleyWasGod]

In an ideal world selling your body for sex would be seen as a career choice, but the reality is it tends to be a world populated by criminals and drug addicts.
I remember watching a tv programme that followed a girl around as she worked as a prostitute, she was really clever and wasn’t being exploited in any way, you could even argue that she was exploiting the men she was visiting. Sadly in this country that’s an exception.

Most men and women who work outdoors are drug-dependent. However, less than 10% of sex-workers (in Scotland at least) work outdoors. That's due to the soliciting and kerb-crawling laws, both of which are detrimental to the safety of sex-workers.

The majority of indoor workers, (male, female and transgender) work independently and within the law. The extent of their drug issues hasn't been studied, to my knowledge, but I would expect it to be similar to society in general.

[lord bunberry]

Most men and women who work outdoors are drug-dependent. However, less than 10% of sex-workers (in Scotland at least) work outdoors. That's due to the soliciting and kerb-crawling laws, both of which are detrimental to the safety of sex-workers.

The majority of indoor workers, (male, female and transgender) work independently and within the law. The extent of their drug issues hasn't been studied, to my knowledge, but I would expect it to be similar to society in general.
I’m intrigued to know how you know that? My experience is mixed, one of the most harrowing experiences of my life involved taking a young Latvian girl to her work in a brothel. She was crying the whole way. I’ll be honest and say I don’t know if she was going there through her own free will, but I remember her saying that she didn’t have a choice after I asked her why she was doing it. That reply is obviously open to interpretation, and tbh I’m not sure what she meant by it.
Personally I think it should be legalised in the hope that it would stop the underground trafficking that currently happens.

For balance I also took a girl down to Trinity who openly admitted to doing it so she could send her daughter to a private school and live a life that she otherwise couldn’t afford.

[CropleyWasGod]

I’m intrigued to know how you know that? My experience is mixed, one of the most harrowing experiences of my life involved taking a young Latvian girl to her work in a brothel. She was crying the whole way. I’ll be honest and say I don’t know if she was going there through her own free will, but I remember her saying that she didn’t have a choice after I asked her why she was doing it. That reply is obviously open to interpretation, and tbh I’m not sure what she meant by it.
Personally I think it should be legalised in the hope that it would stop the underground trafficking that currently happens.

I've been involved, in various roles, with a sex-worker rights organisation for over 20 years.

We don't talk about "legalisation", since it is legal to sell sex. We talk about "decriminalisation", which is about the removal of the laws which adversely affect the health and safety of sex-workers.

[lord bunberry]

I've been involved, in various roles, with a sex-worker rights organisation for over 20 years.

We don't talk about "legalisation", since it is legal to sell sex. We talk about "decriminalisation", which is about the removal of the laws which adversely affect the health and safety of sex-workers.
I think like the issue surrounding drugs it’s almosy impossible in this country to have a civilised grown up debate without mass hysteria. The current system doesn’t work, but common sense is pushed to the sidelines for political gain.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think like the issue surrounding drugs it’s almosy impossible in this country to have a civilised grown up debate without mass hysteria. The current system doesn’t work, but common sense is pushed to the sidelines for political gain.

Indeed, been there many times with politicians ( a notable exception was Margo.) It's interesting, though, that there's a wide range of specialist agencies (who are not tied up with the political game) who support decriminalisation, for a number of different reasons:-

The World Health Organisation
UNAIDS
Amnesty International
Global Alliance Against the Traffic in Women
Human Rights Watch

The UK Parliament Home Affairs Committee are also in favour, as are the LibDems and the Scottish Greens. Corbyn and McDonnell are too, I believe, but that's not party policy; it's another battle in the civil war within the party.

[beensaidbefore]

I've been involved, in various roles, with a sex-worker rights organisation for over 20 years.

We don't talk about "legalisation", since it is legal to sell sex. We talk about "decriminalisation", which is about the removal of the laws which adversely affect the health and safety of sex-workers.

Good work sir.

[lord bunberry]

Indeed, been there many times with politicians ( a notable exception was Margo.) It's interesting, though, that there's a wide range of specialist agencies (who are not tied up with the political game) who support decriminalisation, for a number of different reasons:-

The World Health Organisation
UNAIDS
Amnesty International
Global Alliance Against the Traffic in Women
Human Rights Watch

The UK Parliament Home Affairs Committee are also in favour, as are the LibDems and the Scottish Greens. Corbyn and McDonnell are too, I believe, but that's not party policy; it's another battle in the civil war within the party.

I had the pleasure of having Margo in the taxi once. It was during the time when she was quite vocal about the sex workers in leith. She was one of the very few politicians who just said what she thought was the right way to do things. She was such a down to earth person, she invited me into the parliament for a tour and introduced me to a snp worker who showed me round the chamber. She was an independent msp at the time. She was a lovely woman and a fine politician.

[CropleyWasGod]

I had the pleasure of having Margo in the taxi once. It was during the time when she was quite vocal about the sex workers in leith. She was one of the very few politicians who just said what she thought was the right way to do things. She was such a down to earth person, she invited me into the parliament for a tour and introduced me to a snp worker who showed me round the chamber. She was an independent msp at the time. She was a lovely woman and a fine politician.Loved her to bits. She would attend our AGM every year, and give us gossip from the Parliament...she called it "Tales from the Funny Farm".

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[lord bunberry]

Loved her to bits. She would attend our AGM every year, and give us gossip from the Parliament...she called it "Tales from the Funny Farm".

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She was the ultimate people before politics politician. Sadly missed.

[snooky]

I think like the issue surrounding drugs it’s almosy impossible in this country to have a civilised grown up debate without mass hysteria. The current system doesn’t work, but common sense is pushed to the sidelines for political gain.

The cause of all the troubles in the world in 10 words. :top marks

[NAE NOOKIE]

I've been involved, in various roles, with a sex-worker rights organisation for over 20 years.

We don't talk about "legalisation", since it is legal to sell sex. We talk about "decriminalisation", which is about the removal of the laws which adversely affect the health and safety of sex-workers.

This pretty well reflects my opinion ..... You will never ever eradicate prostitution, its as old as time. When you accept that your responsibility is then to ensure the health and safety of the people who are involved in it, they way to do that isn't to drive women from the streets, its to encourage and more to the point help them to get off the streets to places where they can operate in safety. Legalised brothels where the girls can protect each other or hire folk to protect them seems the logical and most common sense approach to that.

When you have done that it makes it so much easier to regulate the industry and more to the point concentrate your efforts on shutting down the ****bags who coerce or force women and girls into prostitution.

I come from the age group ( IE the over 50s ) who are viewed as being the most closed minded and conservative on issues like this, but I have to say that on the few occasions this has been raised as a topic of conversation between me and my 50+ age group friends the consensus is overwhelmingly in favour of protecting the girls .. not putting them in jail or forcing them to put themselves in danger. It would be interesting to see what a national opinion poll had to say on the matter.

[lord bunberry]

The cause of all the troubles in the world in 10 words. :top marks

Ain’t that the truth.

[givescotlandfreedom]

Doesn't sit right with me at all. Seems low to sell yourself to me, regardless of the price. Not sure why, just seems wrong.