No minutes silence

[IFONLY]

Why did we not have a minutes silence yesterday....it seems that most if not all teams did,considering there are no club games next weekend

[hibbyfraelibby]

Why did we not have a minutes silence yesterday....it seems that most if not all teams did,considering there are no club games next weekend

November 11th is next Saturday yesterday was the 4th. Nothing to do with our schedule. Simples

[NAE NOOKIE]

If its silence you want the Yams game is on the radio just now ...... you'll get a full 90 minutes :greengrin

[Carheenlea]

Rememberence Sunday/Armistice Day commemoration has grown to a three week event. Hibs will be present in some form at The Haymarket Memorial next Sunday to pay respect in the usual quiet and dignified manner. A minutes silence the week before was unnecessary.

[Onceinawhile]

Tbf I wish we had held one. I'd have gotten in on time to see the first goal if we had.

[SunshineOnLeith]

November 11th is next Saturday yesterday was the 4th. Nothing to do with our schedule. Simples

This. It's not remembrance weekend.

[HFCdeb]

November 11th is next Saturday yesterday was the 4th. Nothing to do with our schedule. Simples

Nailed it.

[Carheenlea]

Tbf I wish we had held one. I'd have gotten in on time to see the first goal if we had.

I was contemplating a pie, saw queue and reckoned it wouldn't be down by KO - luckily decided to take my seat and wait till HT otherwise would have missed Boylers great opener.

[Sir David Gray]

I was very surprised that we didn't hold one yesterday when I believe the majority of clubs did.

The 11th November rarely falls on a match day but we always observe a silence before the match that is closest to that date.

A wee explanation from the club wouldn't be out of place here.

[Frazerbob]

The guys comentating on Hibs TV seemed to think one was planned and suggested that the ref forgot.

[hibee_girl]

The guys comentating on Hibs TV seemed to think one was planned and suggested that the ref forgot.

I would think that's the most likely explanation seeing as most teams in the UK seem to have had one this weekend.

[JimBHibees]

I would think that's the most likely explanation seeing as most teams in the UK seem to have had one this weekend.

It did look like players were ready for one then the game started. Kind of summed up his performance if that was the case.

[Sir David Gray]

The guys comentating on Hibs TV seemed to think one was planned and suggested that the ref forgot.

That wouldn't surprise me and it would be consistent with the rest of his performance.

There were a few Dundee players on the centre circle before kick off which certainly suggested they were expecting a silence.

[wookie70]

Glad we didn't hold one. Save it to the weekend of remembrance day. Why do we wear a Poppy on our strips at home but not away. Let's get away from the commercialism and stealth tax of poppies and back to the Remembrance aspect. A minutes silence if the game is that weekend and a club presence at the memorial is more than enough for us to show respect. Hardly any fans wear Poppies so why do our team wear them, only at ER of course. The good thing about yesterday was that Stokes was at least given the option to not wear. It should be an opt in situation rather than an opt out one.

[Lago]

This. It's not remembrance weekend.
Yes, but as it's International break on remembrance weekend senior clubs can't hold a minutes silence. Poor show in my opinion.

[Scouse Hibee]

Holding one a week early is getting ridiculous in my opinion. All of the fans and players will still have their own oppottunity to pay their respects on the correct day if they wish. No football next week so let's hold it early is nonsense.

[Andy74]

Holding one a week early is getting ridiculous in my opinion. All of the fans and players will still have their own oppottunity to pay their respects on the correct day if they wish. No football next week so let's hold it early is nonsense.

Yep, agree.

[Scouse Hibee]

Yes, but as it's International break on remembrance weekend senior clubs can't hold a minutes silence. Poor show in my opinion.

It's the people that hold the silence and they can all still do so on the appropriate day!

It should only be held if a match coincides with weekend, not held early because it doesn't.

[Pretty Boy]

Holding one a week early is getting ridiculous in my opinion. All of the fans and players will still have their own oppottunity to pay their respects on the correct day if they wish. No football next week so let's hold it early is nonsense.

Agree. The EPL had one last weekend for some reason I can't understand.

As an aside I see Dundee tweeted they were wearing poppies to 'support our armed forces' yesterday. Badly worded maybe but that's a shift away from rememberance imo and part of the reason I've chosen not to wear a poppy in recent years.

[givescotlandfreedom]

Agree. The EPL had one last weekend for some reason I can't understand.

As an aside I see Dundee tweeted they were wearing poppies to 'support our armed forces' yesterday. Badly worded maybe but that's a shift away from rememberance imo and part of the reason I've chosen not to wear a poppy in recent years.
Agreed, isn't it supposed to be about helping service personnel in need and a reminder of the futility of war?
I'll donate and lay a cross for my late granddad in Princes Street gardens, I don't see what it's really got to do with the football a whole week before it. Our club will attend the remembrance event at Haymarket as always so it's not as if they're not participating.

[Bishop Hibee]

Holding one a week early is getting ridiculous in my opinion. All of the fans and players will still have their own oppottunity to pay their respects on the correct day if they wish. No football next week so let's hold it early is nonsense.

Agree 100%. The players wore poppies on their shirt quite rightly representing the wishes of the majority of Hibs fans.

[Sir David Gray]

Holding one a week early is getting ridiculous in my opinion. All of the fans and players will still have their own oppottunity to pay their respects on the correct day if they wish. No football next week so let's hold it early is nonsense.

The 11th November rarely falls on a match day. Why was yesterday any different from previous years when it may have been held 5 or 6 days early?

Clubs in Scotland have obviously been marking Remembrance Day this weekend and it appears that John Beaton just forgot. That is a poor show.

[Lago]

It's the people that hold the silence and they can all still do so on the appropriate day!

It should only be held if a match coincides with weekend, not held early because it doesn't.
Dont agree.

[Scouse Hibee]

The 11th November rarely falls on a match day. Why was yesterday any different from previous years when it may have been held 5 or 6 days early?

Clubs in Scotland have obviously been marking Remembrance Day this weekend and it appears that John Beaton just forgot. That is a poor show.

It's not just this year I have held the opinion of it being ridiculous to hold it early. It's almost as if it has become an occasion that must happen rather than it being an a symbol of remembrance on the appropriate day. What if there had been a two week international break, would it have been held in October then?

[Scouse Hibee]

Dont agree.

As is your right.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Never gave it a moments thought and cared even less if truth be told.

I really don't need a football club to tell me how to think but pleased Hibs respectfully put a poppy on the shirt.

[660]

Agree. The EPL had one last weekend for some reason I can't understand.

As an aside I see Dundee tweeted they were wearing poppies to 'support our armed forces' yesterday. Badly worded maybe but that's a shift away from rememberance imo and part of the reason I've chosen not to wear a poppy in recent years.

100% agreed.

[Lago]

As is your right.
It sure is. I had a father torpedoed in the WW2, survived, and a Uncle who lies in a German war cemetery. I feel strongly that it is people, as you say, but also institutions that show respect.
I will not comment further.

[Scouse Hibee]

It sure is. I had a father torpedoed in the WW2, survived, and a Uncle who lies in a German war cemetery. I feel strongly that it is people, as you say, but also institutions that show respect.
I will not comment further.

I agree and pretty sure many of the football institutions do so without the need for it to be done publicly in front of thousands.

[H18 SFR]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm 99% sure the stadium announcer mentioned it around 25/half past 2?

[JohnMcM]

Dont agree.

The people for whom we hold a Remembrace Day service, hold a minute's silence and in whose memory we wear poppies, earned you and I the right to not agree that you use now.

[wookie70]

Agree 100%. The players wore poppies on their shirt quite rightly representing the wishes of the majority of Hibs fans.

Not all the players and how do you know it is the majority of fans.

I always keep a look out on how many fans are wearing Poppies and these days I think we are down to single figure percentages and those who do tend to be over 50. We have never been asked and as said Dundee have publicly stated it is to show support for Armed Forces. That is correct as that is where the money for Poppies goes. The Poppies is a pro-serviceman organisation whose main purpose is to provide for those that made "sacrifices" serving in the armed forces. The quote marks is not trying to be nasty it is Poppy Scotland's word and I don't know what sacrifice means in that context.

I have no issue with the silence but I want to use it to remember service personnel who died in the two World Wars where conscription was in place and people went to fight whether they chose to or not. I also want to remember those shot who were brave enough to say they didn't want to kill other working class people. I am quite happy to have a quiet thought for those that died during the course of their work, war or otherwise, but a Police Officer, Builders, Refuse Collectors, Drivers or Firefighter. Farmers and Fishermen should certainly have some recognition of the dangers of their job and its positive contribution to our society.

It's about time Hibs asked fans about this and I would also be interested why we only wear Poppies at home or on our home strip.

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t mind wearing a poppy and and will put some pennies in the tin if it’s put under my nose but all the poppy nazis are putting me right off the whole thing.
Don’t think I’ll bother in future.


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[overdrive]

It would appear from Sportscene that every other game in the Premiership had a minute silence so I would suggest it was a referee error (one of many).

[superfurryhibby]

Not all the players and how do you know it is the majority of fans.

I always keep a look out on how many fans are wearing Poppies and these days I think we are down to single figure percentages and those who do tend to be over 50. We have never been asked and as said Dundee have publicly stated it is to show support for Armed Forces. That is correct as that is where the money for Poppies goes. The Poppies is a pro-serviceman organisation whose main purpose is to provide for those that made "sacrifices" serving in the armed forces. The quote marks is not trying to be nasty it is Poppy Scotland's word and I don't know what sacrifice means in that context.

I have no issue with the silence but I want to use it to remember service personnel who died in the two World Wars where conscription was in place and people went to fight whether they chose to or not. I also want to remember those shot who were brave enough to say they didn't want to kill other working class people. I am quite happy to have a quiet thought for those that died during the course of their work, war or otherwise, but a Police Officer, Builders, Refuse Collectors, Drivers or Firefighter. Farmers and Fishermen should certainly have some recognition of the dangers of their job and its positive contribution to our society.

It's about time Hibs asked fans about this and I would also be interested why we only wear Poppies at home or on our home strip.

Well said! Surely it's the state's role to ensure that former service personnel are looked after?

The poppy was always a commemorative gesture. Now it's just seen as the done thing by many on tv etc. Poppy correctness, no thanks.

[Johnny Clash]

Not all the players and how do you know it is the majority of fans.

I always keep a look out on how many fans are wearing Poppies and these days I think we are down to single figure percentages and those who do tend to be over 50. We have never been asked and as said Dundee have publicly stated it is to show support for Armed Forces. That is correct as that is where the money for Poppies goes. The Poppies is a pro-serviceman organisation whose main purpose is to provide for those that made "sacrifices" serving in the armed forces. The quote marks is not trying to be nasty it is Poppy Scotland's word and I don't know what sacrifice means in that context.

I have no issue with the silence but I want to use it to remember service personnel who died in the two World Wars where conscription was in place and people went to fight whether they chose to or not. I also want to remember those shot who were brave enough to say they didn't want to kill other working class people. I am quite happy to have a quiet thought for those that died during the course of their work, war or otherwise, but a Police Officer, Builders, Refuse Collectors, Drivers or Firefighter. Farmers and Fishermen should certainly have some recognition of the dangers of their job and its positive contribution to our society.

It's about time Hibs asked fans about this and I would also be interested why we only wear Poppies at home or on our home strip.

Good post!

[Sir David Gray]

It would appear from Sportscene that every other game in the Premiership had a minute silence so I would suggest it was a referee error (one of many).

Hopefully he's demoted for the foreseeable future.

Shocking error if he's supposed to have overseen a minute's silence and just forgotten about it.

[hibby6270]

It would appear from Sportscene that every other game in the Premiership had a minute silence so I would suggest it was a referee error (one of many).

Think that can be the only explanation. After the teams broke up from the handshakes, most were hovering round the centre circle, looking as though they were expecting to be called in.

It didn’t happen.

Having said that, I’m with a lot of you on here that a week before is to wide a gap and the fact a silence wasn’t held is not something to get hung up about. However, if one had been called yesterday I would have respectfully observed it.

Remembrance Day is for those who wish to quietly reflect on relative’s participation in conflicts or those involved who lost friends/colleagues. Yes - we are all grateful for their sacrifices in keeping us a free nation but the pseudo commercialism of Poppy Day nowadays does put a lot of people off the sentiment.

[Bishop Hibee]

Not all the players and how do you know it is the majority of fans.

I always keep a look out on how many fans are wearing Poppies and these days I think we are down to single figure percentages and those who do tend to be over 50. We have never been asked and as said Dundee have publicly stated it is to show support for Armed Forces. That is correct as that is where the money for Poppies goes. The Poppies is a pro-serviceman organisation whose main purpose is to provide for those that made "sacrifices" serving in the armed forces. The quote marks is not trying to be nasty it is Poppy Scotland's word and I don't know what sacrifice means in that context.

I have no issue with the silence but I want to use it to remember service personnel who died in the two World Wars where conscription was in place and people went to fight whether they chose to or not. I also want to remember those shot who were brave enough to say they didn't want to kill other working class people. I am quite happy to have a quiet thought for those that died during the course of their work, war or otherwise, but a Police Officer, Builders, Refuse Collectors, Drivers or Firefighter. Farmers and Fishermen should certainly have some recognition of the dangers of their job and its positive contribution to our society.

It's about time Hibs asked fans about this and I would also be interested why we only wear Poppies at home or on our home strip.

I’m not sure what your trying to say. Maybe fans don’t wear poppies but from what I read on here and from conversations I have, the majority of fans are sympathetic to what the poppy is meant to represent I.e. the sacrifice the dead of WWI and WWII made. Red poppies were on sale outside ER on Saturday. The hijacking or not of the meaning of the poppy has been done to death on here over the years. There will be ample opportunity for those that wish to observe a minutes silence next weekend at Remembrance events and services.

[overdrive]

Interestingly, Stokes’ strip didn’t have a poppy on it. I wonder if he was making some sort of statement similar to James Maclean which wouldn’t be surprising really.

[greenlex]

Interestingly, Stokes’ strip didn’t have a poppy on it. I wonder if he was making some sort of statement similar to James Maclean which wouldn’t be surprising really.

Probably was. As is his right.

[Galahibby]

The guys comentating on Hibs TV seemed to think one was planned and suggested that the ref forgot.

The fact that the players were wearing poppies on their shirts would seem to back that up. Ref got nothing else right all day so it's no great surprise if he did forget. Who forgets a silence to 'remember' though? 😳

[staunchhibby]

The biggest mistake Beaton made was turning up

[cabbageandribs1875]

as much as i thought beaton's performance was abysmal there was no announcement over the speaker of any impending minutes silence so why is beaton getting the blame for that as well ?

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Makes you wonder how all the generations of people who were actually alive at the time of WW1 and WW2 managed to live with themselves for decades (until this fashion was invented recently) - all the while being so disrespectful, by not even thinking of wearing poppies on football shirts, or enforcing strict wearing of poppies & demanding minutes silences at every event over a 3 week period. Shame on them.

[easty]

Hopefully he's demoted for the foreseeable future.

Shocking error if he's supposed to have overseen a minute's silence and just forgotten about it.

I'd have nae problem with him being demoted based on his refereeing performance, but for forgetting a non football matter, no chance.

[easty]

Holding one a week early is getting ridiculous in my opinion. All of the fans and players will still have their own oppottunity to pay their respects on the correct day if they wish. No football next week so let's hold it early is nonsense.

:agree:

[Canon Hannan]

Only white poppy for me now. Even the British Legion are unhappy with the way politicians, certain right wing organisations, Hearts and Rangers have hijacked the red poppy. Only the Hibs badge should be on the Hibs strip.

[chippy]

The guys comentating on Hibs TV seemed to think one was planned and suggested that the ref forgot.

That was the only thing he got right all day then

[Sir David Gray]

I'd have nae problem with him being demoted based on his refereeing performance, but for forgetting a non football matter, no chance.

If referees were instructed to oversee a minute's silence for Remembrance Day before the matches this weekend and he forgot about it, I would say that was a pretty serious error.

That, coupled, with his performance during the match should mean that he's demoted for the next set of fixtures.

[dchibs]

If its silence you want the Yams game is on the radio just now ...... you'll get a full 90 minutes :greengrin

I'm sure I heard quite a few boos clearly enough.

[Sir David Gray]

Interestingly, Stokes’ strip didn’t have a poppy on it. I wonder if he was making some sort of statement similar to James Maclean which wouldn’t be surprising really.

I'm sure it was a statement and of course these people who are being remembered at this time of year fought for the freedoms that we now enjoy today, including the freedom of expression and the choice of not wearing a poppy.

I believe that no-one should be forced into wearing a poppy but I do feel that it's quite disappointing that Stokes has chosen not to wear it.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Looking at one of the Hibs Facebook pages just now, abuse, essentially threats - telling people where they sit, inviting anyone who disagrees to "grow a pair" all in the name of "remembrance", in line with what I'd expect. Whatever this is, it's nothing to do with rememembering people, just like us who have died in war.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I'm sure it was a statement and of course these people who are being remembered at this time of year fought for the freedoms that we now enjoy today, including the freedom of expression and the choice of not wearing a poppy.

I believe that no-one should be forced into wearing a poppy but I do feel that it's quite disappointing that Stokes has chosen not to wear it.

Why? It's his choice

[Carheenlea]

Stokes not wearing a poppy is not a statement - he probably felt it was simply inappropriate for him to do so.

[Sir David Gray]

Why? It's his choice

I realise that and I have already acknowledged that.

I just don't see what reason anyone would have for objecting to wearing it that's all.

[lord bunberry]

as much as i thought beaton's performance was abysmal there was no announcement over the speaker of any impending minutes silence so why is beaton getting the blame for that as well ?
Maybe the stadium announcer was waiting on Beaton getting the players lined up.
Theres no right or wrong on this subject, but if the club planned a minutes silence and Beaton forgot, he should get his arse kicked.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I realise that and I have already acknowledged that.

I just don't see what reason anyone would have for objecting to wearing it that's all.

You said no-one should be forced into wearing one, and disappointed if he chose not too.

I would imagine his beliefs would not make him want to wear one.

[ronaldo7]

I'm sure it was a statement and of course these people who are being remembered at this time of year fought for the freedoms that we now enjoy today, including the freedom of expression and the choice of not wearing a poppy.

I believe that no-one should be forced into wearing a poppy but I do feel that it's quite disappointing that Stokes has chosen not to wear it.

I feel overjoyed that the freedoms we have today, allow Anthony to make his own decision on whether to wear a poppy or not.

Disappointing would be if he were forced/persuaded by the poppy police.

[gillythehibby]

Only white poppy for me now. Even the British Legion are unhappy with the way politicians, certain right wing organisations, Hearts and Rangers have hijacked the red poppy. Only the Hibs badge should be on the Hibs strip.

Spot on. Leave poppies off a hibernian jersey. The whole thing has become political. You don't have to wear a poppy to remember people who died in the great wars. A minute's silence would have been appropriate. That whole Hertz and Rangerz thing makes me cringe.

[bingo70]

I'm sure it was a statement and of course these people who are being remembered at this time of year fought for the freedoms that we now enjoy today, including the freedom of expression and the choice of not wearing a poppy.

I believe that no-one should be forced into wearing a poppy but I do feel that it's quite disappointing that Stokes has chosen not to wear it.

Is that not a contradiction?

I personally don’t wear a poppy for reasons people more intelligent than me have made on this thread, in simple terms I don’t think the poppy symbolises the same thing it used to and I feel it’s now a competition to see who can go most over the top.

I’ve got a lot of respect for the likes of James Mclean and Stokes who stick to their principles.

[easty]

I personally don’t wear a poppy for reasons people more intelligent than me have made on this thread, in simple terms I don’t think the poppy symbolises the same thing it used to and I feel it’s now a competition to see who can go most over the top.



:agree: 100%

[Carheenlea]

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[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I realise that and I have already acknowledged that.

I just don't see what reason anyone would have for objecting to wearing it that's all.

I dont wear one, for reasons that are my own. I dont care if you do, you shouldn't care if i, or Stokes, doesnt.

Thats how liberalism works.

[gillythehibby]

I dont wear one, for reasons that are my own. I dont care if you do, you shouldn't care if i, or Stokes, doesnt.

Thats how liberalism works.

Spot on !

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I dont wear one, for reasons that are my own. I dont care if you do, you shouldn't care if i, or Stokes, doesnt.

Thats how liberalism works.

But, but.....traitor, disrespect, etc, ad infinitum.

[DH1875]

Interestingly, Stokes’ strip didn’t have a poppy on it. I wonder if he was making some sort of statement similar to James Maclean which wouldn’t be surprising really.

Why does everything have to be a statement. Maybe he just didn't want to wear one.

[lapsedhibee]

The whole thing has become political. You don't have to wear a poppy to remember people who died in the great wars. A minute's silence would have been appropriate. That whole Hertz and Rangerz thing makes me cringe.

:agree: Hearts are a hoot all year round except for about three weeks around now when I just seethe with cringe at their antics.

[Keith_M]

I'm sure it was a statement and of course these people who are being remembered at this time of year fought for the freedoms that we now enjoy today, including the freedom of expression and the choice of not wearing a poppy.

I believe that no-one should be forced into wearing a poppy but I do feel that it's quite disappointing that Stokes has chosen not to wear it.


Isn't that a bit contradictory?

[wookie70]

I'm sure it was a statement and of course these people who are being remembered at this time of year fought for the freedoms that we now enjoy today, including the freedom of expression and the choice of not wearing a poppy.

I believe that no-one should be forced into wearing a poppy but I do feel that it's quite disappointing that Stokes has chosen not to wear it.

The statement was made by those wearing the Poppy not by Stokes. He wore his normal Hibs strip. Pointing the finger at those who don't wear one is the precise reason why the Poppy is political and should not be on our strip. No issue with the silence and although it is a nonsense doing it a week early I would have quietly remembered all those that did fight in WW1 particularly those that were shot by their own side and those that were conscripted and never came home and not just the Allied ones.

[Sir David Gray]

Isn't that a bit contradictory?

Not at all.

I would never expect someone to be forced into wearing a poppy however I can't understand why someone would actively object to wearing one. I don't see that those two points are contradictory at all. If I see someone walking past me in the street without a poppy on then I don't have any feelings about that at all. Perhaps that person just hasn't come across a poppy seller in the street. I think there's a difference between that and someone in Stokes' position who has been asked to wear a shirt with a poppy on it and refused.

I didn't understand it when James McClean refused in the past and I can't understand it now that Anthony Stokes has apparently refused yesterday.

It's not something that should have a huge amount of focus on it. I just think it's a bit disappointing that's all.

Nothing more and nothing less. Others have disagreed with me, as is their right to do so.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Not at all.

I would never expect someone to be forced into wearing a poppy however I can't understand why someone would actively object to wearing one. I don't see that those two points are contradictory at all. If I see someone walking past me in the street without a poppy on then I don't have any feelings about that at all. Perhaps that person just hasn't come across a poppy seller in the street. I think there's a difference between that and someone in Stokes' position who has been asked to wear a shirt with a poppy on it and refused.

I didn't understand it when James McClean refused in the past and I can't understand it now that Anthony Stokes has apparently refused yesterday.

It's not something that should have a huge amount of focus on it. I just think it's a bit disappointing that's all.

Nothing more and nothing less. Others have disagreed with me, as is their right to do so.

You can't understand why McClean doesn't wear one?

[Carheenlea]

You can't understand why McClean doesn't wear one?

"For me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII.

"It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people."

[Mr White]

"For me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII.

"It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people."

He can't win and he's definitely chosen the easier path as the abuse he gets from opposition supporters and criticism in the media for not wearing the poppy is nothing compared to what he'd get in his home town if he did wear one.

[wookie70]

I think both Stokes and McClean believe in a united Ireland. They probably think wearing a symbol that is now very connected with the British Services and supporting them is not really in keeping with their beliefs given the history of the British Army in Ireland. That is my take on their decision just to wear their usual colours. It might be horribly off the mark. Stokes may be like me and refuse to support any charity that collects for something that should be a Government responsibility therefore placing the burden on the less well off. I would refuse to wear a Poppy for that never mind any of the other reasons not to wear one. People being disappointed in me doing what I believe in after being put in a position where it is easier to go with the consensus would be another reason to not wear one.

[wpj]

He can't win and he's definitely chosen the easier path as the abuse he gets from opposition supporters and criticism in the media for not wearing the poppy is nothing compared to what he'd get in his home town if he did wear one.

Or maybe he absolutely stands by his statement. A person who sticks to their principles despite tabloid and populist opinion is not a bad thing. Their right to protest and our right to disagree with them is a healthy sign of a progressive society.

[Mr White]

Or maybe he absolutely stands by his statement. A person who sticks to their principles despite tabloid and populist opinion is not a bad thing. Their right to protest and our right to disagree with them is a healthy sign of a progressive society.

I didn't say it was a bad thing and as it happens I don't disagree with him. Sadly I don't think the issues being discussed in this thread suggest our society is progressing at all though tbh.

[Keith_M]

Not at all.

I would never expect someone to be forced into wearing a poppy however I can't understand why someone would actively object to wearing one. I don't see that those two points are contradictory at all. If I see someone walking past me in the street without a poppy on then I don't have any feelings about that at all. Perhaps that person just hasn't come across a poppy seller in the street. I think there's a difference between that and someone in Stokes' position who has been asked to wear a shirt with a poppy on it and refused.

I didn't understand it when James McClean refused in the past and I can't understand it now that Anthony Stokes has apparently refused yesterday.

It's not something that should have a huge amount of focus on it. I just think it's a bit disappointing that's all.

Nothing more and nothing less. Others have disagreed with me, as is their right to do so.



So basically you feel that other people's opinions should all agree with yours, and you can't understand it when they don't.

TBH, I find that quite disappointing..

[Dashing Bob S]

Would love to see a minutes silence about minutes silences.

[Sir David Gray]

You can't understand why McClean doesn't wear one?

Nope.


So basically you feel that other people's opinions should all agree with yours, and you can't understand it when they don't.

TBH, I find that quite disappointing..

If that's the way you want to interpret what I said then crack on.

[wpj]

I didn't say it was a bad thing and as it happens I don't disagree with him. Sadly I don't think the issues being discussed in this thread suggest our society is progressing at all though tbh.

Didn't mean it to sound like I was having a pop at you. We both respect the rights of an individual to make their own decision
Why we have all the t.v. folks wearing poppies almost a fortnight ahead of the actual memorial day and the public outcry at those who don't is a new phenomenon to me. Don't get the outrage.

[Mr White]

Didn't mean it to sound like I was having a pop at you. We both respect the rights of an individual to make their own decision
Why we have all the t.v. folks wearing poppies almost a fortnight ahead of the actual memorial day and the public outcry at those who don't is a new phenomenon to me. Don't get the outrage.

No worries. I agree it's a new and growing phenomenon and that's a good example of what I was getting at: there's a pressure to conform and it goes against a lot of the principles that those we should be remembering fought for and what they fought against IMO.

[al1875]

Holding one a week early is getting ridiculous in my opinion. All of the fans and players will still have their own oppottunity to pay their respects on the correct day if they wish. No football next week so let's hold it early is nonsense.


Yip I agree

[Ilovehibs]

Each to their own on the wearing of the poppy. I personally choose not to wear it. Doesnt mean Im going to express disappointment in our players who wore it yesterday.
We all support Hibs but are entitled to our diverse beliefs be they religious, political or otherwise.
Not going to criticise our players either way.
We all have our own reasons. Respect them.

[Hibrandenburg]

If you want to wear a poppy for whatever reason then do it, if you don't then don't. It's just sad and a sign that our society is polarizing when we have to have the same discussion every year.

[wookie70]

Very easy to just have the poppy emblem on an armband an the players can pick one up if they wish. That keeps it off the strip and perhaps avoids some peer/downward pressure.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Nope.



If that's the way you want to interpret what I said then crack on.

You are obviously being deliberately obtuse, if you don't understand McClean's reasoning.

[Wilson]

Would love to see a minutes silence about minutes silences.

Lest we forget the forgotten minutes silence.

[midfield_maestro]

Not at all.

I would never expect someone to be forced into wearing a poppy however I can't understand why someone would actively object to wearing one. I don't see that those two points are contradictory at all. If I see someone walking past me in the street without a poppy on then I don't have any feelings about that at all. Perhaps that person just hasn't come across a poppy seller in the street. I think there's a difference between that and someone in Stokes' position who has been asked to wear a shirt with a poppy on it and refused.

I didn't understand it when James McClean refused in the past and I can't understand it now that Anthony Stokes has apparently refused yesterday.

It's not something that should have a huge amount of focus on it. I just think it's a bit disappointing that's all.

Nothing more and nothing less. Others have disagreed with me, as is their right to do so.

What is your evidence that he refused to do anything?

[Keith_M]

Maybe it was just a mistake and we're all getting wound up about nothing?


:dunno:

[Craig_HFC]

Different year; same boring debate.

[emoji42]

[blackpoolhibs]

Not at all.

I would never expect someone to be forced into wearing a poppy however I can't understand why someone would actively object to wearing one. I don't see that those two points are contradictory at all. If I see someone walking past me in the street without a poppy on then I don't have any feelings about that at all. Perhaps that person just hasn't come across a poppy seller in the street. I think there's a difference between that and someone in Stokes' position who has been asked to wear a shirt with a poppy on it and refused.

I didn't understand it when James McClean refused in the past and I can't understand it now that Anthony Stokes has apparently refused yesterday.

It's not something that should have a huge amount of focus on it. I just think it's a bit disappointing that's all.

Nothing more and nothing less. Others have disagreed with me, as is their right to do so.

Have you listened to their reasons, if you have then i fail to understand why you don't understand it?

I think you have heard, and you don't agree, why dont you just say that?

[Lago]

Minutes silence today at Scotland v Samoa, immaculately kept. Impressive.

[Hibernia&Alba]

We have this debate every year. We should all be able to agree to respect each other's preference for wearing one or not. The British armed forces represent different things to different people, depending on their experiences. I wear one for the great sacrifices of the two world wars, but I fully sympathise with the views of someone like James McLean. I'm also uncomfortable with the politicisation of the poppy which has arisen in recent years; it demeans the whole thing. It shouldn't be a stick with which to beat others.

[Lago]

:top marks
We have this debate every year. We should all be able to agree to respect each other's preference for wearing one or not. The British armed forces represent different things to different people, depending on their experiences. I wear one for the great sacrifices of the two world wars, but I fully sympathise with the views of someone like James McLean. I'm also uncomfortable with the politicisation of the poppy which has arisen in recent years; it demeans the whole thing. It shouldn't be a stick with which to beat others.

[ekhibee]

We have this debate every year. We should all be able to agree to respect each other's preference for wearing one or not. The British armed forces represent different things to different people, depending on their experiences. I wear one for the great sacrifices of the two world wars, but I fully sympathise with the views of someone like James McLean. I'm also uncomfortable with the politicisation of the poppy which has arisen in recent years; it demeans the whole thing. It shouldn't be a stick with which to beat others.
:top marks

[Golden Bear]

Minutes silence today at Scotland v Samoa, immaculately kept. Impressive.

As was the anthems. The players and the crowd put the lame fitba efforts to shame.

[greenlex]

As was the anthems. The players and the crowd put the lame fitba efforts to shame. Couldnt aim that at the Italians last night.

[Halmyre Hibee]

I observed a minutes silence at 11am yesterday at Tesco Corstorphine (others chose not to do so which is their right).

I done so to honour a family member who lost his life in WW2 as well as all those who lost their lives in all conflicts.

All my previous employers (now retired) held a minutes silence on the 11th hour of the 11th month.

Perhaps I'm wrong but as far as I can remember there was no minutes silence when I was a youngster at football matches on fixtures nearest the 11th November and it is only crept in to football in recent times.

I also feel it is politicised and it is up to the individual depending on their beliefs, conscience etc.

I also never boo another nations national anthem out of respect.

[Beefster]

I believe that no-one should be forced into wearing a poppy but I do feel that it's quite disappointing that Stokes has chosen not to wear it.

So you’ll defend freedom but not respect expressions of that freedom. Gotcha.