Harvey Weinstein

[snooky]

Hopefully we will now see the last of the appalling casting couch culture. I suspect the HW allegations are only the tip of the iceberg.
It is worth noting that this situation does not only apply to women. There have been suggestions in the past that James Dean may have 'succumbed' to forward his career.

[hibsbollah]

It is worth noting that this situation does not only apply to women.

I think it pretty much does.

[NAE NOOKIE]

There's been a culture of this in Hollywood since silent movie times and it probably had to come to a head eventually. It would be interesting in a fly on the wall sort of way over these decades to see exactly how the culture developed .... I don't think I'm being too controversial in saying there has to be a chicken and egg element to it.

How often has 'what will you do to get the part' been 'I'll do anything to get the part' .............. Before I get jumped on don't think for a second I'm condoning the actions of HW because I'm not, but I think it would be naïve to pretend the road to this situation was littered with one way street signs and in part at least encouraged folk like HW to push their luck with any young actress who knocked on their door.

:tin hat:

[lapsedhibee]

There's been a culture of this in Hollywood since silent movie times and it probably had to come to a head eventually. It would be interesting in a fly on the wall sort of way over these decades to see exactly how the culture developed .... I don't think I'm being too controversial in saying there has to be a chicken and egg element to it.

How often has 'what will you do to get the part' been 'I'll do anything to get the part' .............. Before I get jumped on don't think for a second I'm condoning the actions of HW because I'm not, but I think it would be naïve to pretend the road to this situation was littered with one way street signs and in part at least encouraged folk like HW to push their luck with any young actress who knocked on their door.

:tin hat:

:grr: :panic: etc

Think I'll opt for the marginally less controversial topic of Why is his surname pronounced WineSteen? Shirley it ought to be WineStine or WeenSteen? Outrageous. :grr: :panic:

[JeMeSouviens]

Has he been arrested yet? If not, why not?

[hibsbollah]

Has he been arrested yet? If not, why not?

Power. He has plenty of it.

[CropleyWasGod]

Has he been arrested yet? If not, why not?Due process, I 'spect....

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[NAE NOOKIE]

:grr: :panic: etc

Think I'll opt for the marginally less controversial topic of Why is his surname pronounced WineSteen? Shirley it ought to be WineStine or WeenSteen? Outrageous. :grr: :panic:

Think it depends on whether or not you are Scottish ........ When I was a kid I was pals with a family of 'Steens' and of course there's Jock 'Steen'

But Rick 'Steen' the English TV chef is Rick 'Stine' and then there's American Chris 'Stein' of popular 1980's beat combo Blondie :greengrin

[Bristolhibby]

I always called Rick Stein - Steen, until he did a show where he went to Germany where the Stines were big wheels. Some long lost uncle left no will and Rick ended up with enough cash to buy his first restaurant.

incidently, they are pronounced Stine.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The guy is disgusting, but he's been all over the news for days, and it's as if the UK media is assuming we should know who he is. I can't be the only one who had never heard of him?:confused:

[Bristolhibby]

Here’s one

Edinburgh - Ed-in-bu-ra
Pittsburgh - Pitts-berg

Go figure?

J

[Gatecrasher]

https://youtu.be/g70XbYd0bZ8

[Newry Hibs]

Looks like another person who will be deemed guilty of anything that anyone says he's done. Not a lot of use of the word 'alleged' when his victims are discussed.

[lapsedhibee]

Think it depends on whether or not you are Scottish ........ When I was a kid I was pals with a family of 'Steens' and of course there's Jock 'Steen'

But Rick 'Steen' the English TV chef is Rick 'Stine' and then there's American Chris 'Stein' of popular 1980's beat combo Blondie :greengrin

Nobody calls the scientific genius Norman Einstein "IneSteen". The notorious fat perv's surname is the same with a W in front. It should be WineStine unless he's a fat Scottish perv, in which case perhaps WeenSteen. "WineSteen" is illogical captain. Other W*n*st**n suggestions are available.

[hibsbollah]

Looks like another person who will be deemed guilty of anything that anyone says he's done. Not a lot of use of the word 'alleged' when his victims are discussed.

Probably because the victims been coming forward in their dozens. Which is what normally happens when you have a serial sexual predator unmasked.

[snooky]

:grr: :panic: etc

Think I'll opt for the marginally less controversial topic of Why is his surname pronounced WineSteen? Shirley it ought to be WineStine or WeenSteen? Outrageous. :grr: :panic:

:cool2: Calm down, LH. If you're not careful, you might turn into Harvey Wallbanger :brickwall

:wink:

[lapsedhibee]

Here’s one

Edinburgh - Ed-in-bu-ra
Pittsburgh - Pitts-berg

Go figure?

J

Different but at least consistent within countries. Edinburgh, Fraserburgh, Leverburgh, Peterborough.
Pittsburgh, St Petersburg.

Harv the perv's surname isn't even consistent in itself!

[CropleyWasGod]

Looks like another person who will be deemed guilty of anything that anyone says he's done. Not a lot of use of the word 'alleged' when his victims are discussed.Given that he has checked himself into rehab, I'd say he has admitted being guilty of something.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

A different but related issue: did anyone see the news report last week about the young woman who was sexually assaulted THREE times whilst walking home at night in London? Not the same perpetrator but three separate incidents. This surely couldn't be a coincidence: are there men roaming our cities at night actively looking for women to assault; for vulnerable prey? Being a man, it isn't something I need worry about; I just assume I will get to my destination safely, but this story made me think about how I can take my safety for granted and needn't worry about harassment or worse on routine journeys.

[JeMeSouviens]

Nobody calls the scientific genius Norman Einstein "IneSteen". The notorious fat perv's surname is the same with a W in front. It should be WineStine unless he's a fat Scottish perv, in which case perhaps WeenSteen. "WineSteen" is illogical captain. Other W*n*st**n suggestions are available.

VineShtine, I think would be the original German pronunciation.

[JeMeSouviens]

Due process, I 'spect....

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Not think he should have been at least questioned by now rather than swanning off to rehab?

[CropleyWasGod]

Not think he should have been at least questioned by now rather than swanning off to rehab?

TBH, I'd rather the police took their time to investigate the complaints properly, and ignored the noise. The starting-point for that would be the complainants themselves; hearing their statements, and doing everything professionally.

It's the best way to get any justice, IMO. Otherwise, HW has the resources to challenge every little scrap of evidence.

[Betty Boop]

Lewd behaviour never done Trump any harm, as per his conversation admitting to groping and trying to kiss women.

[Hibee87]

Was it not Corey Feldman and few other ex 'child actors' who tried to raise the lid on a massive hollywood peado ring a few years back. I wonder if this instance helps lift the lid on that as well. Heres hoping.

[silverhibee]

TBH, I'd rather the police took their time to investigate the complaints properly, and ignored the noise. The starting-point for that would be the complainants themselves; hearing their statements, and doing everything professionally.

It's the best way to get any justice, IMO. Otherwise, HW has the resources to challenge every little scrap of evidence.


If he stayed in the UK he would have been arrested by now and remanded in custody so the police investigate things, sure i read there had been a complaint of rape from one victim, should be enough to charge him, but no doubt in USA he will get bailed quite easily, sure he will have the money to pay the bail.

[CropleyWasGod]

Was it not Corey Feldman and few other ex 'child actors' who tried to raise the lid on a massive hollywood peado ring a few years back. I wonder if this instance helps lift the lid on that as well. Heres hoping.

Heart-rending.

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/13/maybe-time-take-look-corey-feldman-saying-years/

[Hibee87]

Heart-rending.

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/13/maybe-time-take-look-corey-feldman-saying-years/

Yeah, thats what I was thinking of. Lets hope its all exposed of the back of this (being ignored for 6 years, at least, must be difficult for him)

[CropleyWasGod]

There's been a culture of this in Hollywood since silent movie times and it probably had to come to a head eventually. It would be interesting in a fly on the wall sort of way over these decades to see exactly how the culture developed .... I don't think I'm being too controversial in saying there has to be a chicken and egg element to it.

How often has 'what will you do to get the part' been 'I'll do anything to get the part' .............. Before I get jumped on don't think for a second I'm condoning the actions of HW because I'm not, but I think it would be naïve to pretend the road to this situation was littered with one way street signs and in part at least encouraged folk like HW to push their luck with any young actress who knocked on their door.

:tin hat:

You mean.... women have been asked if they want to play a game that has had its rules set by men? And, if they don't play it, they automatically lose?

That's the patriarchy, sadly, and doesn't just apply to showbiz.

Of all the comments that have been flying around, the one I found most baffling was Donna Karan's. A woman who has made a career out of designing clothes for women, and she suggests that some women might have been "asking for it." https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/10/donna-karan-defends-harvey-weinstein-women

[Jim44]

Were The Eagles singing about this creep on their track, The King Of Hollywood?

Listen to the lyrics.

https://youtu.be/ga0VeZyQLhg

[CropleyWasGod]

Were The Eagles singing about this creep on their track, The King Of Hollywood?

Listen to the lyrics.

https://youtu.be/ga0VeZyQLhgI'd doubt it. That's from the late 70's, before Miramax took off.

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[Colr]

Think it depends on whether or not you are Scottish ........ When I was a kid I was pals with a family of 'Steens' and of course there's Jock 'Steen'

But Rick 'Steen' the English TV chef is Rick 'Stine' and then there's American Chris 'Stein' of popular 1980's beat combo Blondie :greengrin

If its German, ein is pronounced ine but Americans will do their own thing.

I pronounce is WineStine myself.

[Jim44]

I'd doubt it. That's from the late 70's, before Miramax took off.

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I suppose they were just highlighting the existence of these predators. The words of the song are really apt.

[CropleyWasGod]

I suppose they were just highlighting the existence of these predators. The words of the song are really apt.Douglas Fairbanks was sometimes known as the King of Hollywood. He was also known for putting it about.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Douglas Fairbanks was sometimes known as the King of Hollywood. He was also known for putting it about.

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Aye, but putting it about is one thing; when it's between consenting adults, that's their business. The culture of the casting coach and, worse, sexual assault is something else entirely. Promiscuity is between the individual and their conscience; abuse of power and institutional sexual harassment still remains rife in the workplace.

[CropleyWasGod]

Aye, but putting it about is one thing; when it's between consenting adults, that's their business. The culture of the casting coach and, worse, sexual assault is something else entirely. Promiscuity is between the individual and their conscience; abuse of power and institutional sexual harassment still remains rife in the workplace.I'm not disagreeing. My post was about the question of the song, and suggesting that it might have been about him.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm not disagreeing. My post was about the question of the song, and suggesting that it might have been about him.

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Aye, I know. :aok:

[Hibernia&Alba]

The number of women who have come forward so far is now above forty. The allegations range from sexual harassment through to rape. I think it's reasonable to assume other celebrity names will be mentioned in relation to similar behaviour.

What's happening with the Bill Cosby now?

[CropleyWasGod]

The number of women who have come forward so far is now above forty. The allegations range from sexual harassment through to rape. I think it's reasonable to assume other celebrity names will be mentioned in relation to similar behaviour.

What's happening with the Bill Cosby now?

Retrial next month.

[AZhibee]

Has he been arrested yet? If not, why not?

The statute of limitations had expired on all accusations, thats why. However, a 2013 accusation has recently been made, jurisdiction is LA, being investigated I presume.

[Colr]

Was he a bullying, abusive, psychopathic **** in his business life as well?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Kevin Spacey facing accusations of improper behaviour with a child. Is the grotesque underbelly of Hollywood about to be blown wide open?


https://youtu.be/hKHHpFwBS8Y

[CropleyWasGod]

Kevin Spacey facing accusations of improper behaviour with a child. Is the grotesque underbelly of Hollywood about to be blown wide open?


https://youtu.be/hKHHpFwBS8Y Very disappointing that he chose to link his apology to his coming out.

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[hibs#1]

Very disappointing that he chose to link his apology to his coming out.

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Yip terrible statement from him.

[CropleyWasGod]

As a side issue, the varying pronunciation of "harrass" is ripping my knitting.

As I understand it, the UK version is "harris", and the US "her-ass" (no pun intended). But both versions have been littering the BBC........

[Hibernia&Alba]

Very disappointing that he chose to link his apology to his coming out.

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Does seem like a cynical diversionary tactic. He casually brushes off the accusation of making advances towards a child with "if I did that, I'm very sorry".

[CropleyWasGod]

Does seem like a cynical diversionary tactic. He casually brushes off the accusation of making advances towards a child with "if I did that, I'm very sorry".

Yep.... "I was drunk" "I don't remember" etc etc. Which begs the question..... did it happen often?

All of which is manna for those who would conflate gay men with child abuse.

I used to think KS was one of the good guys.....

[JeMeSouviens]

As a side issue, the varying pronunciation of "harrass" is ripping my knitting.

As I understand it, the UK version is "harris", and the US "her-ass" (no pun intended). But both versions have been littering the BBC........

You're behind the times ... :wink:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/harass


Usage
There are two possible pronunciations of the word harass: one with the stress on the har- and the other with the stress on the -ass. The former pronunciation is the older one and is regarded by some people as the only correct one, especially in British English. However, the pronunciation with the stress on the second syllable -rass is very common and is now accepted as a standard alternative

[CropleyWasGod]

You're behind the times ... :wink:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/harass

Knitting duly placated.

Thank you :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Whilst I think there's no doubt that Harvey Weinstein is a ****my ******* who is guilty of the most deviant kind of sexual abuse, the whole follow on accusations have opened up an interesting debate as to what can be viewed as abuse and where the line is drawn between flirtatious behaviour and abuse. I've witnessed in the past some guys who can't take no for an answer and continued their aggressive amorous approach regardless and then were finally actually rewarded for their persistence. Whilst there's no way I'm condoning abuse in any way, I can't help but think some men are encouraged by past success for their persistence to cross the line.

[CropleyWasGod]

Whilst I think there's no doubt that Harvey Weinstein is a ****my ******* who is guilty of the most deviant kind of sexual abuse, the whole follow on accusations have opened up an interesting debate as to what can be viewed as abuse and where the line is drawn between flirtatious behaviour and abuse. I've witnessed in the past some guys who can't take no for an answer and continued their aggressive amorous approach regardless and then were finally actually rewarded for their persistence. Whilst there's no way I'm condoning abuse in any way, I can't help but think some men are encouraged by past success for their persistence to cross the line.

In the mind and heart of the recipient. Always. Only he/she can draw that line.

[Hibrandenburg]

In the mind and heart of the recipient. Always. Only he/she can draw that line.

I read that a lot but is it really true? I saw a report recently where a woman was claiming sexual abuse because an elderly gentleman in a wheelchair had placed his hand on her knee whilst talking to her, his wife was even present at the time. Surely what was in the mind and heart of the benefactor also has to be taken into account when deciding what can be considered as sexual assault?

[CropleyWasGod]

I read that a lot but is it really true? I saw a report recently where a woman was claiming sexual abuse because an elderly gentleman in a wheelchair had placed his hand on her knee whilst talking to her, his wife was even present at the time. Surely what was in the mind and heart of the benefactor also has to be taken into account when deciding what can be considered as sexual assault?

If she genuinely "feels" it, then IMO it is abuse. A problem arises when she "thinks" it is (perhaps because someone else, or society, or the media, tells her that it is), but doesn't necessarily "feel" that. That would be one for the lawyers :rolleyes:

It's almost irrelevant what the intentions of the giver are. If in doubt, just don't, would be the best advice. That's not a particularly easy position to take for people who are naturally tactile, but it's the safest option.

EDIT... wasn't that elderly gent George Bush?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Whilst I think there's no doubt that Harvey Weinstein is a ****my ******* who is guilty of the most deviant kind of sexual abuse, the whole follow on accusations have opened up an interesting debate as to what can be viewed as abuse and where the line is drawn between flirtatious behaviour and abuse. I've witnessed in the past some guys who can't take no for an answer and continued their aggressive amorous approach regardless and then were finally actually rewarded for their persistence. Whilst there's no way I'm condoning abuse in any way, I can't help but think some men are encouraged by past success for their persistence to cross the line.

Any man who won't take no for an answer is a danger to women and clearly has personality issues. In the workplace, report to management; outside work, inform him the police will be contacted. That will soon stop the letches. It isn't acceptable any longer.

[Hibrandenburg]

If she genuinely "feels" it, then IMO it is abuse. A problem arises when she "thinks" it is (perhaps because someone else, or society, or the media, tells her that it is), but doesn't necessarily "feel" that. That would be one for the lawyers :rolleyes:

It's almost irrelevant what the intentions of the giver are. If in doubt, just don't, would be the best advice. That's not a particularly easy position to take for people who are naturally tactile, but it's the safest option.

EDIT... wasn't that elderly gent George Bush?

It's a minefield, I've got a few female colleagues who can't finish a sentence without touching my hand, shoulder, chest or knee. It annoys the **** out of me and I keep telling them to stop but that only works for a short period of time before it kicks back in. The thing is it's just part of their character and as instinctive as nodding their heads when they agree with something. Although it bugs the **** out of me I'd never consider it to be inappropriate behaviour although I'm sure if this was male on female it might be construed by some as inappropriate.

Think Bush pinched the woman's bottom did he not? That definitely crosses the line IMO.

[Hibrandenburg]

Any man who won't take no for an answer is a danger to women and clearly has personality issues. In the workplace, report to management; outside work, inform him the police will be contacted. That will soon stop the letches. It isn't acceptable any longer.

Agreed, I'm not sure it was ever acceptable for some. But as previously mentioned some men have been conditioned by being rewarded for their persistence. It's creepy to think that someone might need to resort to reporting them to management or take legal action before they quit. But that's not what I'm trying to debate here.

[lapsedhibee]

In the mind and heart of the recipient. Always. Only he/she can draw that line.

That can't be right, can it? If it were, shirley anyone who claims to have been raped has been raped?

[CropleyWasGod]

That can't be right, can it? If it were, shirley anyone who claims to have been raped has been raped?We weren't talking about rape, though. It was about the line between "flirtatious behaviour and abuse".

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[lapsedhibee]

We weren't talking about rape, though. It was about the line between "flirtatious behaviour and abuse".

Still though, the recipient of an action can't be the sole arbiter of the seriousness of the action. That's mad. What if the recipient's someone with a severe mental health issue?

[heretoday]

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has resigned. Blimey!

[CropleyWasGod]

Still though, the recipient of an action can't be the sole arbiter of the seriousness of the action. That's mad. What if the recipient's someone with a severe mental health issue?I didn't say, or mean, the sole arbiter. But he/she is entitled to say or show how they feel..

Mental health issues or not, if they communicate that they are uncomfortable or upset, and the perpetrator continues to act in the same way, knowing the upset that is being caused, then hell mend them.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has resigned. Blimey!

Why?

[hibsbollah]

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has resigned. Blimey!

From the cabinet, not as an MP, sadly. The wafer thin Tory majority stays the same.

[johnbc70]

Why?

Inappropriate behaviour, the list of MPs and their alleged misdemeanours is on the US Observer site. Boris is on it.

[lapsedhibee]

I didn't say, or mean, the sole arbiter. But he/she is entitled to say or show how they feel..

Mental health issues or not, if they communicate that they are uncomfortable or upset, and the perpetrator continues to act in the same way, knowing the upset that is being caused, then hell mend them.


I think perhaps Hibrandenburg in his post #54 describes exactly what you describe.

"It annoys the **** out of me and I keep telling them to stop but that only works for a short period of time before it kicks back in."

If you were to focus only on the actee's feelings and ignore all context, including the intentions of the actor, you would be more or less calling Hibrandenburg's office colleagues sexual abusers.

Think before calling people sexual abusers, or harassers, there have to be publicly known rules. eg Squeezing a thirty four year old's knee in London or Saudi will be all over the news media fifteen years from now and you'll lose your job.

[lapsedhibee]

Why?

Too early to say. His own explanation, for gullible four year olds, was that some past behaviour had been inappropriate for a representative of the armed forces. I'm thinking possibly a major currie incident.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think perhaps Hibrandenburg in his post #54 describes exactly what you describe.

"It annoys the **** out of me and I keep telling them to stop but that only works for a short period of time before it kicks back in."

If you were to focus only on the actee's feelings and ignore all context, including the intentions of the actor, you would be more or less calling Hibrandenburg's office colleagues sexual abusers.

Think before calling people sexual abusers, or harassers, there have to be publicly known rules. eg Squeezing a thirty four year old's knee in London or Saudi will be all over the news media fifteen years from now and you'll lose your job. Rules would be helpful, of course, but who sets them?

In an ideal world, we would all have the same boundaries and standards. But, of course, we don't... "one person's banter is another's abuse .." etc etc. Whilst that is the case, I'm not sure prescriptive rules can be set and applied.

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[Colr]

Too early to say. His own explanation, for gullible four year olds, was that some past behaviour had been inappropriate for a representative of the armed forces. I'm thinking possibly a major currie incident.


I think that was John Major!!

[Colr]

Elphicke out from the Tories.

I’ve met him and I’m a bit surprised at this.

I wonder who is taking the role of witchfinder general in the party at the moment. Feels like scores are being settled.

[heretoday]

Too early to say. His own explanation, for gullible four year olds, was that some past behaviour had been inappropriate for a representative of the armed forces. I'm thinking possibly a major currie incident.

He made an inappropriate remark to foxy Andrea Leadsom in a cabinet meeting. Modesty forbids me repeating it here.

Sunday papers will probably have more. It's a field day for the press all right.

[lapsedhibee]

It's a field day for the press all right.
Have any media commentators called for people who put their hand on someone else's bottom 15 years ago to have the hand cut off yet?

[snooky]

Have any media commentators called for people who put their hand on someone else's bottom 15 years ago to have the hand cut off yet?

Oh dear, I bet my gastroenterologist will be ****ting bricks.

[lapsedhibee]

Oh dear, I bet my gastroenterologist will be ****ting bricks.

That would be up rather than on, so he/she will be safe.

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting discussion on 5Live just now.....

Do the revelations about someone's private life affect your view of their work? The discussion centred on public figures, of course, such as actors and politicians, but equally the principle might include others.

For me, my initial emotional reaction on hearing about Spacey was "ah, ****.... no". Entirely selfish, of course, as he's been one of my favourite actors for a long time. Can I still appreciate his work now, without being affected by what he is like as a person? Time will tell.

There are others whose private lives we tend to ignore when we summarise them, principally because of the "good" they've done. JFK, Martin Luther King, Gandhi..... Glitter.:rolleyes:

Is that fair, or is it "just" human nature?

[Betty Boop]

Interesting discussion on 5Live just now.....

Do the revelations about someone's private life affect your view of their work? The discussion centred on public figures, of course, such as actors and politicians, but equally the principle might include others.

For me, my initial emotional reaction on hearing about Spacey was "ah, ****.... no". Entirely selfish, of course, as he's been one of my favourite actors for a long time. Can I still appreciate his work now, without being affected by what he is like as a person? Time will tell.

There are others whose private lives we tend to ignore when we summarise them, principally because of the "good" they've done. JFK, Martin Luther King, Gandhi..... Glitter.:rolleyes:

Is that fair, or is it "just" human nature?
Yea heard that. Was that Emma Barnett's programme ? They were discussing attitudes to Bill Wyman.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yea heard that. Was that Emma Barnett's programme ? They were discussing attitudes to Bill Wyman.Not sure who's it was. But interesting debate....been thinking about it a lot.

In years gone by, I'd not be interested in a politician's private life. It's their ability that was important. Now I'm less sure....

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[RyeSloan]

Not sure who's it was. But interesting debate....been thinking about it a lot.

In years gone by, I'd not be interested in a politician's private life. It's their ability that was important. Now I'm less sure....

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Depends if their private life is actually them abusing their position and others I suppose...

[CropleyWasGod]

Depends if their private life is actually them abusing their position and others I suppose...Indeed.

That touches on another aspect of the debate. Some people are attracted to people in "power" ( be that political or celebrity). Is a resultant relationship an abuse of that power, or is it consensual and thus acceptable?

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[Betty Boop]

Indeed.

That touches on another aspect of the debate. Some people are attracted to people in "power" ( be that political or celebrity). Is a resultant relationship an abuse of that power, or is it consensual and thus acceptable?

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What about Wyman then ? These days he'd be seen as a paedophile surely ?

[CropleyWasGod]

What about Wyman then ? These days he'd be seen as a paedophile surely ?Imo, much of what he did wasn't consensual, in that many of the females were under the age of consent. So, yes, he was.

Doesn't spoil my love of Tumbling Dice, though.

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[Betty Boop]

Imo, much of what he did wasn't consensual, in that many of the females were under the age of consent. So, yes, he was.

Doesn't spoil my love of Tumbling Dice, though.

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Same :agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

And next.... Louis CK.

I'm about to have that same work/person conversation with my oldest. [emoji30]

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[snooky]

Seemingly George Bush (snr) accused of letting his paws stray into a few no-go zones (six locations and counting).
I suspect however, he's done a lot of worse things to the populus of the world than buttock grabbing.

[Colr]

Seemingly George Bush (snr) accused of letting his paws stray into a few no-go zones (six locations and counting).
I suspect however, he's done a lot of worse things to the populus of the world than buttock grabbing.

The current incumbent has form for grabbing bottoms (of sorts) as well!