Tv Licensing

[Alex Trager]

Debating whether or not to buy the TV license, wondering what other folks’ thoughts are on the whole thing?

[danhibees1875]

Not doing so is stealing.

Depends if you want to steal it or not. I think it's fair to say that there are different levels of things you can steal and different people have different thresholds.

[blaikie]

Wait till they ask for it, if you have Virgin or Sky it won't be long!

[Scouse Hibee]

Not doing so is stealing.

Depends if you want to steal it or not. I think it's fair to say that there are different levels of things you can steal and different people have different thresholds.

Nothing like stealing at all. Stealing is when you take someone else's property not refusing to pay a tax or licence fee.

[steakbake]

Stopped paying it in 2014 and packed in watching live TV. I don't miss it at all. I have a chrome cast and watch stuff from online (except of course BBC).

It's been 3 years. I was once visited by an inspector but since then, just put in an exemption notice that lasts 2 years before theyll ask again.

Highly recommend it.

[danhibees1875]

Nothing like stealing at all. Stealing is when you take someone else's property not refusing to pay a tax or licence fee.

They're taking the BBC's programming without paying for the service. It's stealing. It is an interesting concept though, different grades of stealing and where people draw the line.

[snooky]

They're taking the BBC's programming without paying for the service. It's stealing. It is an interesting concept though, different grades of stealing and where people draw the line.

Stealing you say? The BBC are stealing from us. Providing government propaganda under the pretence of a non-political service.

[Sylar]

They're taking the BBC's programming without paying for the service. It's stealing. It is an interesting concept though, different grades of stealing and where people draw the line.

How do you know they're watching any BBC content whatsoever?

I think it depends - if you don't watch any live TV, and don't use the BBC iPlayer for anything, you can safely bin your license.

[Scouse Hibee]

They're taking the BBC's programming without paying for the service. It's stealing. It is an interesting concept though, different grades of stealing and where people draw the line.

Refusing to pay for a license is not stealing, how can you prove by not paying for a licence they are actually watching BBC or taking it's content? Nothing to do with drawing a line your claim just isn't valid.

[bigwheel]

Refusing to pay for a license is not stealing, how can you prove by not paying for a licence they are actually watching BBC or taking it's content? Nothing to do with drawing a line your claim just isn't valid.

Would you agree that choosing not to buy a licence , yet still actively accessing BBC radio or TV is wrong??


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[danhibees1875]

Stealing you say? The BBC are stealing from us. Providing government propaganda under the pretence of a non-political service.

Nonsense. :faf:


How do you know they're watching any BBC content whatsoever?

I think it depends - if you don't watch any live TV, and don't use the BBC iPlayer for anything, you can safely bin your license.

I think it's more far fetched to say they aren't using any BBC services. Although watching live content from other providers does also require you to have the license (open to be proved wrong on that one though) - so your still breaking the law regardless.


Refusing to pay for a license is not stealing, how can you prove by not paying for a licence they are actually watching BBC or taking it's content? Nothing to do with drawing a line your claim just isn't valid.

Owning the TV license gives you the right to use certain services, using those services and not paying for them is stealing. I'd be fairly confident that those services are being consumed in pretty much every case of someone owning a TV.

[blackpoolhibs]

Would you agree that choosing not to buy a licence , yet still actively accessing BBC radio or TV is wrong??


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There are different degrees of wrong IMO. :wink:

I have IPTV now, and had a dodgy sky box with card sharing for years until that went tits up.

The worry of not having a TV licence does not even register with me, but i suppose i have no real morals on this subject, and if i am perfectly honest, it makes not one jot of difference what anyone says about it, when putting the other side of the argument forward.

[bigwheel]

There are different degrees of wrong IMO. :wink:

I have IPTV now, and had a dodgy sky box with card sharing for years until that went tits up.

The worry of not having a TV licence does not even register with me, but i suppose i have no real morals on this subject, and if i am perfectly honest, it makes not one jot of difference what anyone says about it, when putting the other side of the argument forward.

It's £12.12p per month ! To do the right thing...would be less of everyone paid

[Scouse Hibee]

Would you agree that choosing not to buy a licence , yet still actively accessing BBC radio or TV is wrong??


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Yes of course, but simply not buying a TV licence does not mean you are stealing. I have a TV licence and always have.
I also pay a considerable amount each month to Virgin for my TV package as I would not use a dodgy box. However there are people who legitimately have no need for a licence.

[bigwheel]

Yes of course, but simply not buying a TV licence does not mean you are stealing. I have a TV licence and always have.
I also pay a considerable amount each month to Virgin for my TV package as I would not use a dodgy box. However there are people who legitimately have no need for a licence.

Not sure it's "stealing". But it's a criminal offence so I guess all we are debating is the label [emoji106]

[What_the_deuce]

[QUOTE=danhibees1875;5185027]Nonsense. :faf:

What is nonsense about it? The BBC was blatently biased during the Scottish and Brexit referendums. And, since they didn't get their way with Brexit, have been biased ever since. And those are just two examples. They lie and edit what they show / don't show to support their stance regularly. If they want a licence fee then they should at least be a neutral news source. And if someone doesn't watch the BBC then not paying is not stealing anything.

[JeMeSouviens]

Nonsense. :faf:



I think it's more far fetched to say they aren't using any BBC services. Although watching live content from other providers does also require you to have the license (open to be proved wrong on that one though) - so your still breaking the law regardless.



Owning the TV license gives you the right to use certain services, using those services and not paying for them is stealing. I'd be fairly confident that those services are being consumed in pretty much every case of someone owning a TV.

https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence


Overview
You must have a TV Licence if you:

watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they’re broadcast
download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand
A TV Licence costs £147 (£49.50 for black and white TV sets) for both homes and businesses.

What’s covered

A single TV Licence covers all of the following in a single property:

TV sets
computers
laptops
tablets
mobile phones
any other device that can receive a TV signal


You don’t need a TV Licence to watch:

non-BBC programmes on online catch-up services
videos or DVDs
clips on websites like YouTube
closed circuit television (CCTV)

[danhibees1875]

https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence

Thanks. So you need one to watch any channel as they show their programming (I.e not on catch up). :aok:

[danhibees1875]

[QUOTE=danhibees1875;5185027]Nonsense. :faf:

What is nonsense about it? The BBC was blatently biased during the Scottish and Brexit referendums. And, since they didn't get their way with Brexit, have been biased ever since. And those are just two examples. They lie and edit what they show / don't show to support their stance regularly. If they want a licence fee then they should at least be a neutral news source. And if someone doesn't watch the BBC then not paying is not stealing anything.

I know of one instance where there was some questionable editing over a response Salmond gave to a question. I've not really seen much other outcry about bias with evidence - feel free to pass any on.

I find BBC to be a pretty decent news source all things considered. But I tend to use BBC for a lot of their other programming anyway.

Even if it was bias, I don't think stealing from them is a measured response.

[What_the_deuce]

Regarding the BBC bias: I can't see how it wasn't clear that they wanted a No vote during the Scottish referendum. I was for No and even I could see they way they were behaving. And just the way they treated anyone pro-Brexit was also clearly showing favouritism in my and many people's opinions.

Regarding the stealing, I clearly said that if someone didn't watch BBC TV channels then not paying the licence fee is not stealing because they are not taking anything.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I love public service broadcasting and think the BBC output is excellent in comparison to commercial TV. I watch very little TV these days, but I'm happy to support the Beeb. How it should be funded is a fair question, as the licence fee is expensive for the poorest; however, it can't be done via general taxation, as the government of the day would then impinge upon its independence and could hold the BBC to ransom.

[danhibees1875]

Regarding the BBC bias: I can't see how it wasn't clear that they wanted a No vote during the Scottish referendum. I was for No and even I could see they way they were behaving. And just the way they treated anyone pro-Brexit was also clearly showing favouritism in my and many people's opinions.

Regarding the stealing, I clearly said that if someone didn't watch BBC TV channels then not paying the licence fee is not stealing because they are not taking anything.

Fair enough, maybe they were. I didn't pay enough attention to the direction of the BBC coverage of either referendum to notice perhaps.

As someone else posted above. Watching non-bbc channels without the license still isn't allowed.

I also think it's the access/ability to view rather than use that you pay for. Someone can't just claim to skip past the BBC programming (even then my first point would apply) while they watch TV.

[Hibbyradge]

Regarding the stealing, I clearly said that if someone didn't watch BBC TV channels then not paying the licence fee is not stealing because they are not taking anything.

That's incorrect.

You need a license to watch any TV channel.

[lapsedhibee]

That's incorrect.

You need a license to watch any TV channel.

Live yes but on catchup you can watch non-beeb without.

[What_the_deuce]

That's incorrect.

You need a license to watch any TV channel.

Well, if the licence fee is just used to fund the BBC, then, if someone doesn't want to watch the BBC, it seems as though the licence fee collectors are the ones doing the stealing. Other broadcasters have to earn money through advertising and / or billing directly for their services. And, as an example, Sky won't insist on payment (under threat of a fine) if I don't sign up to Sky and use their services. That's supply and demand resulting in earnings. What the BBC are effectively doing is supplying something regardless of demand and enforcing payment even if someone is only interested in using other broadcasters.

[sleeping giant]

It's worth if just for BBC I player .
Excellent service.

Just downloaded loads of documentaries onto my iPad last night.

[speedy_gonzales]

Was there not a time you needed a radio license, whether you listened to Derek Jamieson or not?

[lapsedhibee]

Was there not a time you needed a radio license, whether you listened to Derek Jamieson or not?

A radio licence was required till 1971 unless you had a TV licence.

Derek Jameson joined Radio 2 in 1985.

So to answer your question, if you were listening to Derek Jameson you didn't need a licence, and if you weren't listening to him you might have needed one.

Hope that helps.

[Hibbycol]

Debating whether or not to buy the TV license, wondering what other folks’ thoughts are on the whole thing?Have you got a radio in your abode ?

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[Alex Trager]

Have you got a radio in your abode ?

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Yes.

I use my phone to listen to the radio however.

[Ryan69]

Nonsense. :faf:



I think it's more far fetched to say they aren't using any BBC services. Although watching live content from other providers does also require you to have the license (open to be proved wrong on that one though) - so your still breaking the law regardless.



Owning the TV license gives you the right to use certain services, using those services and not paying for them is stealing. I'd be fairly confident that those services are being consumed in pretty much every case of someone owning a TV.

BBC is shown allover the world....Why do the people in other countries not have to pay then?

BBC is such a corrupt,Politically motivated agenda....I refuse to pay it.

[danhibees1875]

BBC is shown allover the world....Why do the people in other countries not have to pay then?

BBC is such a corrupt,Politically motivated agenda....I refuse to pay it.

Funnily enough, I'm not in charge of that decision. I'd assume they get significantly less coverage than what we get or the countries that receive it do actually pay or its just something where the burden of paying lays with the country it's produced in. Ultimately it doesn't really matter though - you don't get to disagree with the law cause it upsets you.

Aye, maybe I've just watched too much match of the day and Dr Foster and now I'm fully corrupted to what the beeb want me to think. Or maybe it's not a 94 year old institutionalised propaganda machine. I guess both have merits. 😊

[CapitalGreen]

BBC is shown allover the world....Why do the people in other countries not have to pay then?

BBC is such a corrupt,Politically motivated agenda....I refuse to pay it.

You tell them brother, the BBC is just a propoganda tool for the deep state.

The biggest show on the network? Strictly Come Dancing - No normal person actually likes ballroom dancing but do you know who does? THE ROTHCHILDS!

I also found it inexplicable how Reggie Yates kept getting work on the BBC. That was until I found out he once DJ’d at GEORGE SOROS’s daughters sweet 16th!

Makes you think.

[bigwheel]

BBC is shown allover the world....Why do the people in other countries not have to pay then?

BBC is such a corrupt,Politically motivated agenda....I refuse to pay it.

This made me chuckle - why not just be honest and say you don't want to pay for it rather than pretend it's some moral, value led Crusade against the BBC ......

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

BBC is shown allover the world....Why do the people in other countries not have to pay then?

BBC is such a corrupt,Politically motivated agenda....I refuse to pay it.

Do BBC channels not shoe adverts in their global channels?

Also, its a projection of british 'soft power'.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

You tell them brother, the BBC is just a propoganda tool for the deep state.

The biggest show on the network? Strictly Come Dancing - No normal person actually likes ballroom dancing but do you know who does? THE ROTHCHILDS!

I also found it inexplicable how Reggie Yates kept getting work on the BBC. That was until I found out he once DJ’d at GEORGE SOROS’s daughters sweet 16th!

Makes you think.

😁

[Hibbyradge]

Live yes but on catchup you can watch non-beeb without.

I doubt anyone restricts themselves to that.

[Hibbycol]

Yes.

I use my phone to listen to the radio however.Well if you use a radio you will by law need to fork out for a tv liscense, your choice not paying for one but don't be surprised at a tap on your door from the detector van people, check the web for the requirements for a liscense and you might be surprised .

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[Alex Trager]

Well if you use a radio you will by law need to fork out for a tv liscense, your choice not paying for one but don't be surprised at a tap on your door from the detector van people, check the web for the requirements for a liscense and you might be surprised .

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For listening to commercial radio?

[lord bunberry]

There are different degrees of wrong IMO. :wink:

I have IPTV now, and had a dodgy sky box with card sharing for years until that went tits up.

The worry of not having a TV licence does not even register with me, but i suppose i have no real morals on this subject, and if i am perfectly honest, it makes not one jot of difference what anyone says about it, when putting the other side of the argument forward.
People like you make me sick :wink:

[Hibbycol]

For listening to commercial radio?Err yeh ,read the terms ,pretty much covers everything you use with an electric plug , but good luck not getting caught https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/51be7108f1d527a6b7c4debc35b92d87.jpg

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[Alex Trager]

Err yeh ,read the terms ,pretty much covers everything you use with an electric plug , but good luck not getting caught https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/51be7108f1d527a6b7c4debc35b92d87.jpg

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That picture doesn’t say that you need a TV License to listen to things like Radio X.

However if that IS the case I am shocked by that

[Hibbycol]

That picture doesn’t say that you need a TV License to listen to things like Radio X.

However if that IS the case I am shocked by thatIT does ,mobile phone !

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[Alex Trager]

IT does ,mobile phone !

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It says that if you use any of they devices to watch live TV or stream BBC IPlayer you need a TV License.

Nothing about any other television stations or radio stations.

[Hibbycol]

It says that if you use any of they devices to watch live TV or stream BBC IPlayer you need a TV License.

Nothing about any other television stations or radio stations.Have you got a tv ? ,games console?, Netflix? , me thinks you need one .

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[Alex Trager]

Have you got a tv ? ,games console?, Netflix? , me thinks you need one .

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I have a TV.
I have a Games Console.
I have a Mobile Phone.
I have a Radio.
I have a tablet.

It depends how I use them that determines if you need a TV License or not.

It’s explained in the thread above? ^

[Hibbycol]

I have a TV.
I have a Games Console.
I have a Mobile Phone.
I have a Radio.
I have a tablet.

It depends how I use them that determines if you need a TV License or not.

It’s explained in the thread above? ^Ok, good luck not getting caught [emoji102]

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[Alex Trager]

Ok, good luck not getting caught [emoji102]

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Getting caught doing what?

Haha if you’re happy to lay Gary Linekar 1.3 or 1.7M a year, not sure what one it is, even though you don’t use any of the BBC’s services then pay it.

All of the above statement applies to me.

[Moulin Yarns]

Getting caught doing what?

Haha if you’re happy to lay Gary Linekar 1.3 or 1.7M a year, not sure what one it is, even though you don’t use any of the BBC’s services then pay it.

All of the above statement applies to me.

2 simple questions, what do you watch on your devices? and are any of them live or recorded?

[CropleyWasGod]

You don't need a licence to listen to the radio, BBC or otherwise.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ102

Personally, I'd pay the licence fee for the BBC radio output alone. There's not a network anywhere that has its depth, variety and amount of output.... and no adverts.

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[bigwheel]

You don't need a licence to listen to the radio, BBC or otherwise.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ102

Personally, I'd pay the licence fee for the BBC radio output alone. There's not a network anywhere that has its depth, variety and amount of output.... and no adverts.

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I agree with this. Love BBC6 , radio 4 and some of the documentaries on BBC Scotland are excellent...

[RyeSloan]

I honestly can't remember the last time I watched anything live on BBC.

In fact barring match of the day and sportscene I don't think I watch any BBC output with any regularity

So from my perspective I get extremely low value for the monthly subscription fee and if it was a genuine subscription I would happily cancel it.

I honestly don't think there is much need for the BBC in its current form anymore and would welcome a change to its funding route...an explicit tax on all the nations households just doesn't seem justified in today's world.

[snooky]

I honestly can't remember the last time I watched anything live on BBC.

In fact barring match of the day and sportscene I don't think I watch any BBC output with any regularity

So from my perspective I get extremely low value for the monthly subscription fee and if it was a genuine subscription I would happily cancel it.

I honestly don't think there is much need for the BBC in its current form anymore and would welcome a change to its funding route...an explicit tax on all the nations households just doesn't seem justified in today's world.

All tv is crap these days (although, I'll concede there are a few exceptions). The choice is either pro-gov blah-blah-blah or progs for dummies (ironically, they're both the same).

[bigwheel]

All tv is crap these days (although, I'll concede there are a few exceptions). The choice is either pro-gov blah-blah-blah or progs for dummies (ironically, they're both the same).

I couldn't disagree more. The last 10 years has surely seen TV overtake Movies
For highest quality of writing, production and acting...
Some examples :
Sopranos
The Wire
Breaking Bad
Mad Men
Curb your enthusiasm
Parks & rec
Black mirror
Handmaidens tail
House of cards
Stranger things etc etc
Planet earth
OJ made in America


The list goes on and on


I don't think we have ever had such quality TV

[lapsedhibee]

I doubt anyone restricts themselves to that.

Not sure why there's a licensing distinction between beeb and non-beeb for catchup viewing when there's no distinction for live viewing. To me that seems illogical captain.

[RyeSloan]

I couldn't disagree more. The last 10 years has surely seen TV overtake Movies
For highest quality of writing, production and acting...
Some examples :
Sopranos
The Wire
Breaking Bad
Mad Men
Curb your enthusiasm
Parks & rec
Black mirror
Handmaidens tail
House of cards
Stranger things etc etc
Planet earth
OJ made in America


The list goes on and on


I don't think we have ever had such quality TV

Exactly. Hence why live TV watching on the BBC is a very very rare event for me these days and I reckon I wouldn't really miss it in the slightest, live or catch up.

Not that I actually watch much TV anyway so maybe I'm not the best barometer of such things.

[CapitalGreen]

Not sure why there's a licensing distinction between beeb and non-beeb for catchup viewing when there's no distinction for live viewing. To me that seems illogical captain.

Because you can’t typically isolate receiving beeb and non-beeb live channels, however you can isolate using catch-up services, eg iPlayer, 4od or ITV player.

[lord bunberry]

I hate when the bbc say a football game is on free to air tv. It isn’t free.

[Mr White]

I hate when the bbc say a football game is on free to air tv. It isn’t free.

:singing: freedom isn't free... it costs folks like you and me... :singing:

[lord bunberry]

:singing: freedom isn't free... it costs folks like you and me... :singing:
I loved the spice girls :greengrin

[Mr White]

I loved the spice girls :greengrin

:greengrin:

[Pete]

Happy to pay it.

It’s where I come for all my news. I also regularly watch BBC 4 and listen to their local and national radio channels.

I used to grudge paying it but it least it has a policy of impartiality, unlike other outlets.

[Alex Trager]

Happy to pay it.

It’s where I come for all my news. I also regularly watch BBC 4 and listen to their local and national radio channels.

I used to grudge paying it but it least it has a policy of impartiality, unlike other outlets.

Impartiality?
You’re at it?
Hahaha if the BBC is know for anything it is known for its bias.

On another note it is interesting to read that there is no need for a TV License to listen to their radio programmes.

Or that is what I think I read above anyway

[Pete]

Impartiality?
You’re at it?
Hahaha if the BBC is know for anything it is known for its bias.

On another note it is interesting to read that there is no need for a TV License to listen to their radio programmes.

Or that is what I think I read above anyway

I know what the BBC are like and admittedly it's a damining indictment of other outlets when I say they are relatively impartial.

Also, I don't think of the licence fee as a TV subscription. Does it not fund all the other services such as the radio channels, the website and all the on-demand services?

[Hibbyradge]

Impartiality?
You’re at it?
Hahaha if the BBC is know for anything it is known for its bias

I couldn't agree more and a quick internet search will back you up.

The Tories hate the BBC because of its left wing bias to the extent that they formally complained about the leaders' debate in June, even though their leader didn't attend.

The Labour Party hate it because of it's pro conservative bias, to the extent that Laura Kuenssberg received death threats from activists and felt the need to hire a bodyguard to do her job at their conference last week.

And the SNP hate the BBC because it gives publicity to the views of all the political parties in the UK, the majority of which are pro union.

If only the BBC was as neutral as, er, well, let me think ...

[ronaldo7]

Wouldn't it be great, if all the money raised in Scotland, was spent in Scotland.

#bbcquestiontimeisscottish...really.

[Scouse Hibee]

Wouldn't it be great, if all the money raised in Scotland, was spent in Scotland.

#bbcquestiontimeisscottish...really.

No not really

[ronaldo7]

No not really

Why not?

[Pete]

Why not?

Is it not better to pool the money and produce better quality programs that everyone in the UK can enjoy? Forgetting about flags for five minutes is worth it when you’re watching a fantastic drama or documentary.

Where would it end? All the money raised by Edinburgh folks being spent in Edinburgh? All we’d have is a posh River City, documentaries about the same subjects and local news bulletins where the main story is a cat being stuck up a tree.

[Scouse Hibee]

Why not?

I would much rather the revenue raised in total was split more evenly rather than just a commitment to spend only what is raised in Scotland on Scotland or Wales etc.

[Pete]

I would much rather the revenue raised in total was split more evenly rather than just a commitment to spend only what is raised in Scotland on Scotland or Wales etc.

:agree:

TV is about more than politics. Even the staunchest of Nationalists have to admit that when it comes to popular culture, the UK is second to none.

[Hibrandenburg]

:agree:

TV is about more than politics. Even the staunchest of Nationalists have to admit that when it comes to popular culture, the UK is second to none.

When it comes to quality of tv then I'll agree with you. But is having a tv culture a good thing? If sporting, music, art and other cultural events are not covered on telly then people tend to get off their erses and actually visit them.

[Pete]

When it comes to quality of tv then I'll agree with you. But is having a tv culture a good thing? If sporting, music, art and other cultural events are not covered on telly then people tend to get off their erses and actually visit them.

I see where you’re coming from but will an appearance on Joolz Holland raise an unknown bands profile and help pack out their next gig? Will a documentary on Van Gogh inspire someone to pick up a brush or visit a gallery?

I don’t think there’s a problem with high quality content creating a negative culture...it’s all the other crap like reality TV.

[snooky]

I would much rather the revenue raised in total was split more evenly rather than just a commitment to spend only what is raised in Scotland on Scotland or Wales etc.

I would tend to agree - if I lived in England. :stirrer: :wink:

[Peevemor]

I see where you’re coming from but will an appearance on Joolz Holland raise an unknown bands profile and help pack out their next gig? Will a documentary on Van Gogh inspire someone to pick up a brush or visit a gallery?

I don’t think there’s a problem with high quality content creating a negative culture...it’s all the other crap like reality TV.
Jools Holland is brilliant publicity for up and coming bands, as was "The Tube" in it's day. Bands will do anything for such exposure.

[Scouse Hibee]

I would tend to agree - if I lived in England. :stirrer: :wink:

I live in Scotland.

[ronaldo7]

I would much rather the revenue raised in total was split more evenly rather than just a commitment to spend only what is raised in Scotland on Scotland or Wales etc.

That would be a start.

We currently raise approx. £320Million in Scotland, with only £190Million spent here on programming.

Just think of all the jobs, and new programmes which could be made here.

At the moment, it's all taken to London, and they decide what programmes are made in Scotland, hence my, #questiontime

Maybe we could get BBC Scotland to bid for some of our matches live, instead of giving vast sums to supposed celebrities.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Impartiality?
You’re at it?
Hahaha if the BBC is know for anything it is known for its bias.

On another note it is interesting to read that there is no need for a TV License to listen to their radio programmes.

Or that is what I think I read above anyway

Its funny that everyone seems to think its biased against their personal view though.

People hear what they want to.

[marinello59]

Its funny that everyone seems to think its biased against their personal view though.

People hear what they want to.

Spot on.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

BBC output is pretty good.

STV output is dreadful.

I dont know if that adds anything, but if a 'Scottish' BBC went tye way of ITV it would be a disaster.

Also lets have it right here... nationalists hate the BBC because it is a bastion (and a fairly popular one at that) of British identity. It has nothing to do with programmes it does or doesnt make or salaries it does or doesnt pay, its because they see it as a barrier to independence that needs to be dismantled.

[McD]

Its funny that everyone seems to think its biased against their personal view though.

People hear what they want to.


Spot on.


:agree:

Ive heard pro independence folk saying the BBC is biased against them, heard pro union folk say the same thing.

Same concept when both sets of fans at a match will say the ref was crap/poor/biased against their team.

[Peevemor]

:agree:

Ive heard pro independence folk saying the BBC is biased against them, heard pro union folk say the same thing.

Same concept when both sets of fans at a match will say the ref was crap/poor/biased against their team.

:hilarious

[ronaldo7]

Debating whether or not to buy the TV license, wondering what other folks’ thoughts are on the whole thing?

Watch out, out there.

Big Brother is listening. :greengrin

http://news-watch.co.uk/category/licence-fee/

[Alex Trager]

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[Hibbyradge]

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/laura-kuenssberg-bodyguard-bbc-politics-editor-protection-online-threats-a7842131.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/385572-bbc-robinson-bias-corbyn/

[Beefster]

if you’re happy to lay Gary Linekar 1.3 or 1.7M a year, not sure what one it is

I'm more upset that Jackie Bird still gets paid by the BBC tbh.

[hibsbollah]

Its funny that everyone seems to think its biased against their personal view though.

People hear what they want to.

I was pretty much undecided how to vote through most of the independence referendum, so I have no axe to grind on the issue but I thought it was blindingly obvious the BBCs news output was pro union. Blatantly so, the Nick Robinson Alex Salmond exchange just the most blatant of many examples.

Perhaps weirdly, I still support the BBC because I just don't like commercials. If it's live TV it's got to be BBC for me.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I was pretty much undecided how to vote through most of the independence referendum, so I have no axe to grind on the issue but I thought it was blindingly obvious the BBCs news output was pro union. Blatantly so, the Nick Robinson Alex Salmond exchange just the most blatant of many examples.

Perhaps weirdly, I still support the BBC because I just don't like commercials. If it's live TV it's got to be BBC for me.

Fair enough.

There will always be individual biases and antipathies that come through, even unconsciously. Maybe Robinson is an arch-unionist, maybe he just hates Salmond, maybe both.

But that is a long way from a corporate or institutional bias. Given the way politixs is split in this country, id imagine BBC Scotland has as many SNP supporters than it does of other parties.

[hibsbollah]

Fair enough.

There will always be individual biases and antipathies that come through, even unconsciously. Maybe Robinson is an arch-unionist, maybe he just hates Salmond, maybe both.

But that is a long way from a corporate or institutional bias. Given the way politixs is split in this country, id imagine BBC Scotland has as many SNP supporters than it does of other parties.

Nick Robinson was president of Oxford University Conservative Association so I think it's fair guess he's an arch unionist, yes :greengrin

The BBC Head of News James Harding (ex head in fact, he's left his job today to set up an independent media company) is George Osbornes confidant, best man at his wedding and worked closely under Rupert Murdoch at The Times. Osbornes of course now heads up the Standard. These are the kind of people at the top of the media pyramid and they are also very close to the very top of Tory establishment. TV Journalists? Used to be a career for lots of left leaning graduates benefitting from red brick universities and universal education in the 60s and 70s (Thatcher and Tebbit in particular hated the BBC and it probably was quite soft 'posh' left back in the day) but now is increasingly ex private school. The argument goes that as professional media people all these people leave their politics at the door...but its up to individuals if they believe that I suppose.

[ronaldo7]

Nick Robinson was president of Oxford University Conservative Association so I think it's fair guess he's an arch unionist, yes :greengrin

The BBC Head of News James Harding (ex head in fact, he's left his job today to set up an independent media company) is George Osbornes confidant, best man at his wedding and worked closely under Rupert Murdoch at The Times. Osbornes of course now heads up the Standard. These are the kind of people at the top of the media pyramid and they are also very close to the very top of Tory establishment. TV Journalists? Used to be a career for lots of left leaning graduates benefitting from red brick universities and universal education in the 60s and 70s (Thatcher and Tebbit in particular hated the BBC and it probably was quite soft 'posh' left back in the day) but now is increasingly ex private school. The argument goes that as professional media people all these people leave their politics at the door...but its up to individuals if they believe that I suppose.

Up to their necks in it.:agree:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/sep/28/former-bbc-chair-rona-fairhead-given-ministerial-post

[snooky]

Up to their necks in it.:agree:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/sep/28/former-bbc-chair-rona-fairhead-given-ministerial-post

I trust you are not insinuating she got the postion because of her connections.
You're a very cynical chappie, Ron7. :tsk tsk:

:angeldevi

If Cyril Smith was still alive, he'd be put in charge of Yewtree.

[Just Alf]

Trump threatens broadcaster NBC after nuclear report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41584194
sorry on phone so cant do the link correctly... at least we dont have this sort of thing happening here... i do wonder where it'll end?


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Edit.. Link look OK on phone, must've fluked it! :-)