Noflyin'-Air

[snooky]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41414414
I guess they'll have 400,000 pee-ed off ex-passengers.
Wow - glad it wasn't me that did their pilots' holiday chart.

[Geo_1875]

Just received an email saying they'd cancelled my flight in November. Went to their website to pick an alternative and the calendar is blanked out from November onwards. I don't think they've reached peak f..ck up yet.

[lord bunberry]

Every time I read or watch something about this story I can't get my head around it. I can't think of something like this ever happening before. All the pilots seem to be totally pissed off.

[Jack]

Every time I read or watch something about this story I can't get my head around it. I can't think of something like this ever happening before. All the pilots seem to be totally pissed off.

Not all the ones that pissed off to Norwegian! That's where the real problem lay ... I'm told.

[RyeSloan]

Not all the ones that pissed off to Norwegian! That's where the real problem lay ... I'm told.

Yeah sounds like it...

Loved some of the chat though from the pilots turning down €10k wage increases and substantial one off payments to postpone a week of their holidays! Wish my employer would off me that! [emoji24]

[The_Exile]

Yeah sounds like it...

Loved some of the chat though from the pilots turning down €10k wage increases and substantial one off payments to postpone a week of their holidays! Wish my employer would off me that! [emoji24]

Depends if you feel a value can be put on your principles I suppose!

[danhibees1875]

Flew with Ryanair last week; thankfully my flights weren't affected by all this commotion. Hopefully they manage to sort themselves out pronto and not cause any more disruption to people's travel plans. :agree:

[snooky]

Flew with Ryanair last week; thankfully my flights weren't affected by all this commotion. Hopefully they manage to sort themselves out pronto and not cause any more disruption to people's travel plans. :agree:

... he said standing with his back to the elephant. :wink:

[danhibees1875]

... he said standing with his back to the elephant. :wink:

I have never heard that expression before... Does it mean, I can only take a relatively relaxed approach to the situation as it hasn't affected me?

[RyeSloan]

Depends if you feel a value can be put on your principles I suppose!

I'm not sure what principles you are referring to?

[snooky]

I have never heard that expression before... Does it mean, I can only take a relatively relaxed approach to the situation as it hasn't affected me?

Your statement sounded quite mild given that it will affect a further 400k travellers.
:cool2: I was cheekily implying you seemed to be overlooking the elephant (i.e. the 440k disgruntled passengers) in the room.

[danhibees1875]

Your statement sounded quite mild given that it will affect a further 400k travellers.
:cool2: I was cheekily implying you seemed to be overlooking the elephant (i.e. the 440k disgruntled passengers) in the room.

Out of 130m passengers :wink:

But yeah, I see where you're coming from now - obviously 400k people having their flights cancelled isnt ideal!

[Hibrandenburg]

It's been a long time coming. Ryanair treat their crew like *****. What I don't understand is why they haven't unionised, especially in their foreign bases. Their crew need to grow a pair.

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Yeah sounds like it...

Loved some of the chat though from the pilots turning down €10k wage increases and substantial one off payments to postpone a week of their holidays! Wish my employer would off me that! [emoji24]


Yes, but airline pilots are responsible for the safety of big jets and the passengers and cabin crew who fly in them, and flying hours, rest periods and holidays are important from that point of view.

the cracks are beginning to really show in this business rock-bottom economy lines like Ryanair and their ilk cut corners to stay in business; the history of air travel would suggest that cost-cutting leading to corner-cutting eventually results in a violent collision between the aircraft and the ground. Statistically speaking, air travel's the safest way to go, but if your aircrew make a serious mistake because they're badly-trained, or stressed about their wages and conditions, or exhausted because the airline's being run on a rapidly-fraying shoestring and they've been persuaded to exceed their hours in a given month ...

Cut-price airlines eventually become dangerous to life.

But offer me 10 grand to cancel my days off and I'll bite their hand off.

[RyeSloan]

Yes, but airline pilots are responsible for the safety of big jets and the passengers and cabin crew who fly in them, and flying hours, rest periods and holidays are important from that point of view.

the cracks are beginning to really show in this business rock-bottom economy lines like Ryanair and their ilk cut corners to stay in business; the history of air travel would suggest that cost-cutting leading to corner-cutting eventually results in a violent collision between the aircraft and the ground. Statistically speaking, air travel's the safest way to go, but if your aircrew make a serious mistake because they're badly-trained, or stressed about their wages and conditions, or exhausted because the airline's being run on a rapidly-fraying shoestring and they've been persuaded to exceed their hours in a given month ...

Cut-price airlines eventually become dangerous to life.

But offer me 10 grand to cancel my days off and I'll bite their hand off.

Do you have any evidence that Ryanair is a more dangerous airline than any other?

Or any evidence that Ryanair has forced its pilots to break the law regarding rest periods or holidays? Or has not trained its pilots to a level that is required?

Or that any of the European based budget airlines are dangerous to life? Ryanair and EasyJet have never had a fatal crash in their history so you are simply inferring something that is not there. That's millions of passengers and millions of flights yet you talk of 'rapidly fraying shoe strings' like their jets are about to fall out of the sky.

The money was offered to pilots to move ONE of their FOUR weeks holiday into 2018 to assist them in meeting the Irish regulators request to change the companies holiday period from April - May to a calendar year. They have been unable to do so because they didn't adjust their schedule quick enough to allow them to do that with the numbers of pilots they have. That's the companies fault for sure but as an employee of that company, and pilots are one of the highest paid professions in the world (even Ryanair pilots get a healthy 6 figures!), I don't think it's unreasonable to think that some might actually try and assist the company in resolving the mess...esp when offered an incentive to do so.

Ironically the situation has been exacerbated by the number of pilots they have lost to Norwegian...another low cost airline that is actually making substantial losses.

I'm no fanboy of O Leary or even Ryanair (those yellow cabins hurt my eyes and sensibilities) but I suppose we could instead all pine for the days where air travel was a very expensive luxury controlled by inefficient and expansive flag carriers that charged people way over the odds for flights at times that suited the airline.

[snooky]

Oh dear. Now it's Lyin' Air.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41422571

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Do you have any evidence that Ryanair is a more dangerous airline than any other?

Or any evidence that Ryanair has forced its pilots to break the law regarding rest periods or holidays? Or has not trained its pilots to a level that is required?

Or that any of the European based budget airlines are dangerous to life? Ryanair and EasyJet have never had a fatal crash in their history so you are simply inferring something that is not there. That's millions of passengers and millions of flights yet you talk of 'rapidly fraying shoe strings' like their jets are about to fall out of the sky.

The money was offered to pilots to move ONE of their FOUR weeks holiday into 2018 to assist them in meeting the Irish regulators request to change the companies holiday period from April - May to a calendar year. They have been unable to do so because they didn't adjust their schedule quick enough to allow them to do that with the numbers of pilots they have. That's the companies fault for sure but as an employee of that company, and pilots are one of the highest paid professions in the world (even Ryanair pilots get a healthy 6 figures!), I don't think it's unreasonable to think that some might actually try and assist the company in resolving the mess...esp when offered an incentive to do so.

Ironically the situation has been exacerbated by the number of pilots they have lost to Norwegian...another low cost airline that is actually making substantial losses.

I'm no fanboy of O Leary or even Ryanair (those yellow cabins hurt my eyes and sensibilities) but I suppose we could instead all pine for the days where air travel was a very expensive luxury controlled by inefficient and expansive flag carriers that charged people way over the odds for flights at times that suited the airline.


When an airline gets into the sort of fankle Ryanair has got itself into, it suggests that the management aren't concentrating.

All I said was that when that happens, problems tend to escalate, which isn't a good thing in an organisation responsible for the safe transit of thousands of people in high-tech vehicles day by day.

Just commenting on an observable trend in the industry.

And I'm well aware that the Good Old Days of exclusive luxury air travel were actually (statistically) a damn sight more dangerous than nowadays - just check out the Comet saga from the early 1950's.

All I'm saying is that an airline's something that needs to be properly organised, funded and regulated because when things go wrong, they go very very wrong.

I hope O'Leary gets this sorted out to everyone's satisfaction. Efficient low-cost airlines are the future of long-distance travel. And Ryanair has a good safety record - up till now. But then so did KLM and Pan-Am until that afternoon on the Tenerife runway ...

[Jack]

To be fair Pan Am had a quite poor safety record.

There's the not so famous now bill board poster where they proudly proclaimed "We know the Pacific better than any other airline." Some wag had daubed underneath "You should. You've been in it often enough!"

Probably just folk lore but I also recall there being s******s when Pan Am watches were advertised to be waterproof to 100 fathoms!

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To be fair Pan Am had a quite poor safety record.

There's the not so famous now bill board poster where they proudly proclaimed "We know the Pacific better than any other airline." Some wag had daubed underneath "You should. You've been in it often enough!"

Probably just folk lore but I also recall there being s******s when Pan Am watches were advertised to be waterproof to 100 fathoms!


Actually, you're right. I stand corrected. :agree:

[TheReg!]

Blimey if Ryanair ground any more flights they may as well just call themselves Ryan..
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