Hibs Fan Banned for Homophobic Abuse

[Future17]

Good to see action being taken for this sort of behaviour.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-fan-banned-for-hurling-homophobic-abuse-at-players-1-4569411

[JimBHibees]

Good to see now lets do the same when the OF come calling.

[Johnny Clash]

Acting like an complete idiot and while out on bail too! What a zoomer

[Billychaotic182]

Good, no place for this sort of behaviour.

[FranckSuzy]

Link here :aok: (http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-fan-banned-for-hurling-homophobic-abuse-at-players-1-4569411)

[HFCdeb]

Just a year? That's very lenient.

[Wilson]

Just a year? That's very lenient.

Thought that myself, especially given his previous.

[lyonhibs]

Boy sounds like an absolute weapon. Good riddance to bad rubbish though he's lucky it's only a year long ban.

[Jones28]

Thought that myself, especially given his previous.

I wonder if Hibs will issue him with a further ban?

[Keith_M]

I totally agree with the sentiments above and I'm glad the authorities are now being seen to be clamping down on prejudice within football stadia.



Now, about those Rangers Fans at the weekend...

[Walter]

Life ban, by the sounds of things he's had a chance

[Hibernia&Alba]

Quite right too. No place for that sort of thing. I agree that one year does seem lenient, given the previous history.

[neil7908]

Amazed it's only a year in the circumstances.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Amazed it's only a year in the circumstances.

Aye. Perhaps the club will also impose a ban of its own.

[Pretty Boy]

The world has, thankfully, moved on and football stadiums just aren't 'anything goes' any more. I don't want to see stadiums become totally sanitised but there's a difference between a bit edge and standing hurling homophobic abuse at people.

[Mr_F]

How can folk take this seriously when 30-40k Rangers fans get away with chanting, signing just as offensive stuff every 2nd week?!..

[SRHibs]

How can folk take this seriously when 30-40k Rangers fans get away with chanting, signing just as offensive stuff every 2nd week?!..

It's a lot easier to punish a solitary offender than a crowd of 30 thousand. I got done for chucking a cigarette away the other month. Granted, I was in the wrong, but this cigarette I chucked away was into a pile of fag ends and empty bottles that the stag do I was walking past had accumulated. Of course the guy who pulled me up turned a blind eye to their indiscretions. Life's a bitch.

The authorities are gutless cowards.

[HFCdeb]

Aye. Perhaps the club will also impose a ban of its own.

I'd hope they would. Given that our CEO and many of our fan base are homosexual, we should be taking a hard line and demonstrating that this level of ignorance is not acceptable at Hibernian. That and the fact that it's unacceptable anywhere.

[eastcoasthibby]

How can folk take this seriously when 30-40k Rangers fans get away with chanting, signing just as offensive stuff every 2nd week?!..

Your right so its down to Police and whether its easy to prove or not but they must be getting an instruction from.their superiors given that they never manage to even hear one or two of the bigots and sectarians being abusive any chance that our MP's can start asking questions as to why this is the case 30-40 k people singing such songs and never any arrests for it....why ? How can this be ? ,,because.they are being told not to tackle them.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'd hope they would. Given that our CEO and many of our fan base are homosexual, we should be taking a hard line and demonstrating that this level of ignorance is not acceptable at Hibernian. That and the fact that it's unacceptable anywhere.

I'd suggest that this bit is unnecessary [emoji14]

[wookie70]

I'd suggest that this bit is unnecessary [emoji14] agreed, easier to say the vast majority of our fans are decent people and will welcome this judgement.

[Leith Green]

I'd hope they would. Given that our CEO and many of our fan base are homosexual, we should be taking a hard line and demonstrating that this level of ignorance is not acceptable at Hibernian. That and the fact that it's unacceptable anywhere.


Im not so sure she is? I remember her making a witty reply on twitter regarding her sexuality to a hun a while ago , but im not sure she actually is a lesbian. I thought she was married

[MyJo]

im not sure she actually is a lesbian. I thought she was married

You can be both :wink:

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I'd hope they would. Given that our CEO and many of our fan base are homosexual, we should be taking a hard line and demonstrating that this level of ignorance is not acceptable at Hibernian. That and the fact that it's unacceptable anywhere.

Why can't you say that our CEO and our fans are just decent individuals?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why can't you say that our CEO and our fans are just decent individuals?

Some aren't, sadly. I don't have a problem with anybody saying that Hibs, as a club that claims an inclusive ethos, should be hard upon all forms of intolerance from supporters.

[Betty Boop]

Im not so sure she is? I remember her making a witty reply on twitter regarding her sexuality to a hun a while ago , but im not sure she actually is a lesbian. I thought she was married
She has a female partner.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

How can folk take this seriously when 30-40k Rangers fans get away with chanting, signing just as offensive stuff every 2nd week?!..

Do they?
Most of the stuff the Huns sing isn't illegal as such.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I'd hope they would. Given that our CEO and many of our fan base are homosexual, we should be taking a hard line and demonstrating that this level of ignorance is not acceptable at Hibernian. That and the fact that it's unacceptable anywhere.

I'm not sure there has actually been a survey done to ascertain how many of the Hibs support are LGBT ..... apart from the one Hearts conducted a few years ago which reached the conclusion that 'all the Hibees were gay, though as I understand it the statistical methodology used by them to reach this conclusion has since been largely discredited :greengrin

I would imagine the proportion of Hibs fans who are LGBT would roughly follow the statistical pattern of the population in general, whatever that is, I cant be arsed to look it up to be honest.

As for our CEO .... I could care less about her sexuality, though if her level of competence is an any way linked to her being LGBT ( lf indeed she is ) the sooner we hire more folk from that community the better :thumbsup:

The subject of the OP sounds like a right bellend and if Hibs decide to tell him to take his anti social behaviour elsewhere for the foreseeable I cant say I would lose any sleep over it.

[Arch Stanton]

I'd hope they would. Given that our CEO and many of our fan base are homosexual, we should be taking a hard line and demonstrating that this level of ignorance is not acceptable at Hibernian. That and the fact that it's unacceptable anywhere.

Saying many hibees are gay isn't a world of difference than saying all hibees are gay, is it?

Stupid comment to make.

[.Sean.]

Saying many hibees are gay isn't a world of difference than saying all hibees are gay, is it?

Stupid comment to make.
Unless I'm being dense how is it a stupid comment to make? Is it incorrect?

[Hi Heid Yin]

I don't feel comfortable with idea of publicly announcing our CEO's sexual preference, or indeed any body elses.
This is Leeann's own private business. A little respect and decorum is in order.

[hibsbollah]

I don't feel comfortable with idea of publicly announcing our CEO's sexual preference, or indeed any body elses.
This is Leeann's own private business. A little respect and decorum is in order.

:agree: this thread has gone a bit peculiar.

[Arch Stanton]

Unless I'm being dense how is it a stupid comment to make? Is it incorrect?

More to the point - do you think it true that many hibees are gay - so sure you would go public with that view? Could you back it up if you did?

Yes, it's stupid - I've no interest in whether it's correct or not.

[HFCdeb]

Saying many hibees are gay isn't a world of difference than saying all hibees are gay, is it?

Stupid comment to make.

How is it stupid? I'm gay myself and know several other LGBT+ Hibs supporters. It's a perfectly valid point to make.

[HFCdeb]

agreed, easier to say the vast majority of our fans are decent people and will welcome this judgement.

Point noted and conceded. I do hear it on a weekly basis home and away from our own supporters, though, so there is definitely an element of our support with the same views and ignorance as the individual named in the article.

[s.a.m]

How is it stupid? I'm gay myself and know several other LGBT+ Hibs supporters. It's a perfectly valid point to make.

It's not stupid, and the point is relevant. However, I think what people are trying to say is that we should object NOT only because we have gay fans /CEO, but because fighting homophobia is the right thing for decent human beings to do, whatever their own circumstances :dunno:

[Arch Stanton]

How is it stupid? I'm gay myself and know several other LGBT+ Hibs supporters. It's a perfectly valid point to make.

So the words 'several' and 'many' are interchangeaable? That is in no way valid.

You surely must recognise this but stick to your original post - which also called out LD for no reason.

[HFCdeb]

It's not stupid, and the point is relevant. However, I think what people are trying to say is that we should object NOT only because we have gay fans /CEO, but because fighting homophobia is the right thing for decent human beings to do, whatever their own circumstances :dunno:

Yes of course, my point was just trying to refer to the fact that these people should probably consider the many people closely linked to our club who are directly offended and affected by that behaviour.

[HFCdeb]

So the words 'several' and 'many' are interchangeaable? That is in no way valid.

You surely must recognise this but stick to your original post - which also called out LD for no reason.

Not sure why you're so bothered by the implication that there's LGBT+ people who support and work for our club. It's nothing to be ashamed of, regardless if it's "many" or "several".

As for "calling out" Leeann Dempster, I'm not sure what you mean by that but me referring to her as a fellow gay woman wasn't and isn't a negative thing to me. In fact, it's inspiring and encouraging.

[Arch Stanton]

Not sure why you're so bothered by the implication that there's LGBT+ people who support and work for our club. It's nothing to be ashamed of, regardless if it's "many" or "several".

As for "calling out" Leeann Dempster, I'm not sure what you mean by that but me referring to her as a fellow gay woman wasn't and isn't a negative thing to me. In fact, it's inspiring and encouraging.

Well HFCdeb, that's a very noble statement from someone hiding behind a pseudonym.

You totally igore the original point I made which is that 'many hibees are gay' is not so different from 'all hibees are gay' which is a well know HFC chant.

And for you to say that naming someone as gay is of negligible import makes me wonder if you really are gay (which in any case is as irrelevant as your first post was stupid).


I'd hope they would. Given that our CEO and many of our fan base are homosexual, we should be taking a hard line and demonstrating that this level of ignorance is not acceptable at Hibernian. That and the fact that it's unacceptable anywhere.

Do you really not agree that the middle sentence adds no value whatsoever to your post?

[Arch Stanton]

Yes of course, my point was just trying to refer to the fact that these people should probably consider the many people closely linked to our club who are directly offended and affected by that behaviour.

Dearie me - what kind of mealie-mouthed weasle-words are they?

These people should consider that they may be locked up for such transgressions!!

[Pretty Boy]

What a ****ing car crash of a thread yet again.

A post that was, at worst, poorly worded or thought out leads to someone taking the moral high ground by openly accusing someone of being dishonest about their sexuality.

Fwiw I can see what, I think, the poster was trying to say. Hibs will have gay supporters and may well have gay employees. If taking a hard line on homophobia makes them more comfortable watching their club then I for one support that. That is of course along with the many other reasons why I support tackling homophobia at football or in society in general.

[MyJo]

Well HFCdeb, that's a very noble statement from someone hiding behind a pseudonym.

You totally igore the original point I made which is that 'many hibees are gay' is not so different from 'all hibees are gay' which is a well know HFC chant.

And for you to say that naming someone as gay is of negligible import makes me wonder if you really are gay (which in any case is as irrelevant as your first post was stupid).



Do you really not agree that the middle sentence adds no value whatsoever to your post?

What a load of utter nonsense. A Hibs fan makes a comment about there being a portion of our support that are gay(which is a factual statement by the way as i would fully expect there to be many people who identify as all sorts of sexualities and genders amongst our large diverse support)and your comparing it to a homophobic chant intended to be insulting towards us by hearts??

your either off your rocker or have real issues with being associated with anything to do with LBGT people.

[Pretty Boy]

What a load of utter nonsense. A Hibs fan makes a comment about there being a portion of our support that are gay(which is a factual statement by the way as i would fully expect there to be many people who identify as all sorts of sexualities and genders amongst our large diverse support)and your comparing it to a homophobic chant intended to be insulting towards us by hearts??

your either off your rocker or have real issues with being associated with anything to do with LBGT people.

To add to this recent studies have suggested the percentage of the population that are gay is between 1.5 and 10%. If we say Hibs core fan base is about 35000 then based on those percentage anywhere between 525 and 3500 Hibs fans could be gay. That probably qualifies as 'several' or 'many'.

That's back of a fag packet calculations of course as there are other factors to consider. Personally I don't care; Homsexual, asexual, hetrosexual, pansexual, polysexual, bisexual or any of the other ways people identify makes no odds to me, we're all Hibs fans and that's what really matters when it comes to the football.

[Dashing Bob S]

Best thread I've seen on here for a long time.

[Arch Stanton]

What a load of utter nonsense. A Hibs fan makes a comment about there being a portion of our support that are gay(which is a factual statement by the way as i would fully expect there to be many people who identify as all sorts of sexualities and genders amongst our large diverse support)and your comparing it to a homophobic chant intended to be insulting towards us by hearts??

your either off your rocker or have real issues with being associated with anything to do with LBGT people.

As a debating point that is quite well worked may I say.

Lets just reword the post i objected to (from "many " to "a portion" ) and you have me slam dunk - whoop de woo.

You have no problem saying that I have an issue associating with anything to do with LGBT people - I have been MORE forthright than most (including you from what I can remember) in my condemnation of the culprit from the OP - explain that to me please.

[SRHibs]

Well HFCdeb, that's a very noble statement from someone hiding behind a pseudonym.

You totally igore the original point I made which is that 'many hibees are gay' is not so different from 'all hibees are gay' which is a well know HFC chant.

And for you to say that naming someone as gay is of negligible import makes me wonder if you really are gay (which in any case is as irrelevant as your first post was stupid).



Do you really not agree that the middle sentence adds no value whatsoever to your post?

WTF am I reading?

[Arch Stanton]

To add to this recent studies have suggested the percentage of the population that are gay is between 1.5 and 10%. If we say Hibs core fan base is about 35000 then based on those percentage anywhere between 525 and 3500 Hibs fans could be gay. That probably qualifies as 'several' or 'many'.

That's back of a fag packet calculations of course as there are other factors to consider. Personally I don't care; Homsexual, asexual, hetrosexual, pansexual, polysexual, bisexual or any of the other ways people identify makes no odds to me, we're all Hibs fans and that's what really matters when it comes to the football.

"back of a fag packet calculation" - so why even go into it. The guy who got a year's ban should have been hit a hell of a sight harder - why are "That's back of a fag packet calculation" in any way important.

Do you think that posting that LD is gay (something I hadn't considered and don't think it's my business) really is an important contribution to this thread - something to defend so feverishly?

[Pretty Boy]

"back of a fag packet calculation" - so why even go into it. The guy who got a year's ban should have been hit a hell of a sight harder - why are "That's back of a fag packet calculation" in any way important.

Do you think that posting that LD is gay (something I hadn't considered and don't think it's my business) really is an important contribution to this thread - something to defend so feverishly?

i didn't say they were important. You seem to be putting a hell of a lot more weight behind words posted on an Internet forum than those saying them. You seem to have completely lost the plot tbh.

As for the second point. It's not important to me, it may have been to the person that made the point and it certainly seems to be to you. I've no interest in the sexuality of anyone who supports, plays for or works for Hibs.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The phrase 'escalated quickly' seems apt here. I didn't see anything particularly provocative said, but the thread has gone all out bonkers.

[Arch Stanton]

i didn't say they were important. You seem to be putting a hell of a lot more weight behind words posted on an Internet forum than those saying them. You seem to have completely lost the plot tbh.

As for the second point. It's not important to me, it may have been to the person that made the point and it certainly seems to be to you. I've no interest in the sexuality of anyone who supports, plays for or works for Hibs.

If you think I'm anti-gay then say so and explain why you're saying so. Snidy implies like that are just base IMO.

Not too much to ask eh?

Othwise, give it up.

[Pretty Boy]

If you think I'm anti-gay then say so and explain why you're saying so. Snidy implies like that are just base IMO.

Not too much to ask eh?

Othwise, give it up.

I wasn't implying that at all. I can't really see how you have come to that conclusion based on what I said.

You've made several references to the post, taken real exception to it and aimed a pretty serious and personal accusation at the person who posted it. That all suggests to me you feel there is some importance in the words, otherwise why bother?

[Lancs Harp]

Come on fellas take a chill pill, put the kettle on.

[MyJo]

As a debating point that is quite well worked may I say.

Lets just reword the post i objected to (from "many " to "a portion" ) and you have me slam dunk - whoop de woo.

You have no problem saying that I have an issue associating with anything to do with LGBT people - I have been MORE forthright than most (including you from what I can remember) in my condemnation of the culprit from the OP - explain that to me please.

What does it actually matter? Many, several, dozens, hundreds, thousands, a portion, lots, loads, a fair amount, a significant number.

It all means the same thing it's a word to describe a non-specific number of people within a larger whole but your acting like Deb has committed some mortal error in saying that "many of our fans are gay"

the only reason I can think of for someone reacting to that in the way you have is that they themselves don't like the fact that there might be a decent number of LBGT fans of our club and that we should feel insulted by the insinuation that hibs fans are gay.

So far I haven't felt the need to comment on the thread other than in response to your nonsense so you've got me there :rolleyes:

As for Leeann, she has made no attempt to disguise the fact that she is gay other than the fact it has no bearing on the job she does for Hibs and that it's nobody else's business so there is no need to comment on it but in the context of the thread I think it's a very valid point to make that a well liked and respected part of the Hibernian family is the kind of person this imbecile was insulting with his homophobic remarks and we should be doing our upmost to stamp out this behaviour amongst our support.

Anyway, I don't know what's rattled your cage or if you've been on the sauce but enjoy the rest of your night

[Arch Stanton]

So, lets get this straight - if I took the view that anyone coming out with homophobic abuse should just take time to consider that some of the Hibee Nation (however many) are gay - then you are doing fine with people here.

But, if I think such people such be put in jail then I have serious psychological issues.

In a nutshell - but it beats me.

People damning with faint praise ought to be challenged - just a thing of mine.

Not been on the sauce BTW.

[hibsbollah]

So, lets get this straight - if I took the view that anyone coming out with homophobic abuse should just take time to consider that some of the Hibee Nation (however many) are gay - then you are doing fine with people here.

But, if I think such people such be put in jail then I have serious psychological issues.

In a nutshell - but it beats me.

People damning with faint praise ought to be challenged - just a thing of mine.

Not been on the sauce BTW.



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[Arch Stanton]

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Pretty sure it's Charles Hawtrey, is it?

Wikipediea entry says -
"Little is known about Hawtrey's early years or later private life. He guarded his relationships very carefully in an era (lasting until 1967 in the UK) when male homosexual behaviour was illegal and punishable by a prison sentence.[15] His outrageous drunken promiscuity did not attract sympathy, nor did his general peevish demeanour and increasing eccentricity earn him many (if any) close friends.["

Is that an in-joke of sorts? I don't follow.

[Stax]

Anyone else confused with the lyrics to the "Hibees are gay" ditty that the Maroon manks used to sing?
Was never sure if it was Oh or all the Hibees are gay..
I liked the disdain we as a support used to treat said ditty with x

[bawheid]

***sake. Another thread I’m going to have to read three times before I work out what the hell’s going on.

[lapsedhibee]

***sake. Another thread I’m going to have to read three times before I work out what the hell’s going on.

Be sure not to discount the input of that good hibee McGlashan.

[hibsbollah]

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Pretty sure it's Charles Hawtrey, is it?

Wikipediea entry says -
"Little is known about Hawtrey's early years or later private life. He guarded his relationships very carefully in an era (lasting until 1967 in the UK) when male homosexual behaviour was illegal and punishable by a prison sentence.[15] His outrageous drunken promiscuity did not attract sympathy, nor did his general peevish demeanour and increasing eccentricity earn him many (if any) close friends.["

Is that an in-joke of sorts? I don't follow.

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[Arch Stanton]

19432

Getting a bit like Kickback isn't it?

A big technicolour FTH would have gone along nicely with that.

[SRHibs]

Getting a bit like Kickback isn't it?

A big technicolour FTH would have gone along nicely with that.

Yeah, I heard Kickback invented reaction images.

[oldbutdim]

The salient point for me is that the dafty presumably thought it hilarious to call random players gay - why would that be?

I doubt he actually thought they were gay, but that it was funny to label them so.

I don't get the joke.


I was at an away game a year or two back, and there was a wee gang of Hibs fans who selected opposition players apparently at random and yelled "You're a paedo" and other thigh s;apping witticisms of similar tone - much to the guffawing of the rest of their mates.
Again - I didn't get the joke.

I remember the Richard Gough shouts - based on fact, or rumour depending on your view - but just randomly shouting "Gayboy" or "Paedo" for no reason other than the 'hilarity of it all' jus tmakes me wonder.......... is it me that doesn't get the joke?

[My_Wife_Camille]

Well HFCdeb, that's a very noble statement from someone hiding behind a pseudonym.

You totally igore the original point I made which is that 'many hibees are gay' is not so different from 'all hibees are gay' which is a well know HFC chant.

And for you to say that naming someone as gay is of negligible import makes me wonder if you really are gay (which in any case is as irrelevant as your first post was stupid).



Do you really not agree that the middle sentence adds no value whatsoever to your post?
Post of an idiot

[Arch Stanton]

Post of an idiot


And your's counts as an "ad hominem" -what's the point do you mind me asking?

[Speedy]

"back of a fag packet calculation" - so why even go into it. The guy who got a year's ban should have been hit a hell of a sight harder - why are "That's back of a fag packet calculation" in any way important.

Do you think that posting that LD is gay (something I hadn't considered and don't think it's my business) really is an important contribution to this thread - something to defend so feverishly?

The point is that people that are intolerant of others (racists/homophobes etc.) tend to be so when they don't relate to or belief they have anything in common with that group.

Given that fellow hibs fans and staff are homosexual, this may be a significant point of consideration on the subject.

[Arch Stanton]

The point is that people that are intolerant of others (racists/homophobes etc.) tend to be so when they don't relate to or belief they have anything in common with that group.

Given that fellow hibs fans and staff are homosexual, this may be a significant point of consideration on the subject.

So, all the situation needed was for someone to explain this to Jordan Taylor and everything would be fine? Which time would this be? During the two homophobic rants or during his assault?

Police not needed at all would you say? Just banter perhaps?

While I understand the need for education there are times when things go beyond that - do you really not see that? Jordan Taylor crossed the line - end of (as I particularly hate people saying).

[Speedy]

So, all the situation needed was for someone to explain this to Jordan Taylor and everything would be fine? Which time would this be? During the two homophobic rants or during his assault?

Police not needed at all would you say? Just banter perhaps?

While I understand the need for education there are times when things go beyond that - do you really not see that? Jordan Taylor crossed the line - end of (as I particularly hate people saying).

Is that what I said?

I don't understand why you're so keen to attack the straw man on so many posts.

[Arch Stanton]

Is that what I said?

I don't understand why you're so keen to attack the straw man on so many posts.

Yes, it is what you said - you were saying how people got to be like that, which I totally understand and agree with. But the situation where players, or indeed the LGBT community, are under attack (even if verbal) required something more immediate than understanding, which is the point I'm making,

And I fail to recognise your straw man point - I can see underhand references to unspecified problems people think I have but nothing specific to go on. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

[Speedy]

Yes, it is what you said - you were saying how people got to be like that, which I totally understand and agree with. But the situation where players, or indeed the LGBT community, are under attack (even if verbal) required something more immediate than understanding, which is the point I'm making,

And I fail to recognise your straw man point - I can see underhand references to unspecified problems people think I have but nothing specific to go on. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

Re straw man. See the bits in bold and re-read your previous post.

You asked why mentioning gay fans/staff would be relevant, I gave a view.

[hibsbollah]

Getting a bit like Kickback isn't it?

A big technicolour FTH would have gone along nicely with that.

I would do a Bernard Bresslaw as well but I only have those two saved on my phone:greengrin
My god, dawg. Why dont you just give up and go to bed?
And dwell on this...'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'. David Gray with help from Oscar Wilde, 21/5/15.

[Arch Stanton]

Re straw man. See the bits in bold and re-read your previous post.

You asked why mentioning gay fans/staff would be relevant, I gave a view.


You've lost me, I'm afraid. The thrust of your argument was, and I quote "Given that fellow hibs fans and staff are homosexual, this may be a significant point of consideration on the subject. "

I guess I read meaning into the bit in bold that perhaps wasn't there. Now I re-read it, there really isn't any meaning there, is there? Othere than staing the obvious I mean.

[Arch Stanton]

I would do a Bernard Bresslaw as well but I only have those two saved on my phone:greengrin
My god, dawg. Why dont you just give up and go to bed?
And dwell on this...'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'. David Gray with help from Oscar Wilde, 21/5/15.


Yep - night then. Bernard Bresslaw doesn't clarify things either but I'm past caring.

[Speedy]

You've lost me, I'm afraid. The thrust of your argument was, and I quote "Given that fellow hibs fans and staff are homosexual, this may be a significant point of consideration on the subject. "

I guess I read meaning into the bit in bold that perhaps wasn't there. Now I re-read it, there really isn't any meaning there, is there? Othere than staing the obvious I mean.

Go to bed and re-read the thread in the morning.

[Dashing Bob S]

It's positive that people are confident to come out as gay. It's inspiring to young people who are coming to terms with their sexual indentity in a still very culturally biased heterosexual world to know that there are different types of sexuality and that not one of them is intrinsically 'right'.

That said, people's sexuality and how and when and if they choose to disclose it should be entirely their own affair. Thus speculation and pontification about an individual's sexuality on threads such as this, however well meaning the intention of the poster, is simply intrusive, inappropriate and rude.

[HFCdeb]

What does it actually matter? Many, several, dozens, hundreds, thousands, a portion, lots, loads, a fair amount, a significant number.

It all means the same thing it's a word to describe a non-specific number of people within a larger whole but your acting like Deb has committed some mortal error in saying that "many of our fans are gay"

the only reason I can think of for someone reacting to that in the way you have is that they themselves don't like the fact that there might be a decent number of LBGT fans of our club and that we should feel insulted by the insinuation that hibs fans are gay.

So far I haven't felt the need to comment on the thread other than in response to your nonsense so you've got me there :rolleyes:

As for Leeann, she has made no attempt to disguise the fact that she is gay other than the fact it has no bearing on the job she does for Hibs and that it's nobody else's business so there is no need to comment on it but in the context of the thread I think it's a very valid point to make that a well liked and respected part of the Hibernian family is the kind of person this imbecile was insulting with his homophobic remarks and we should be doing our upmost to stamp out this behaviour amongst our support.

Anyway, I don't know what's rattled your cage or if you've been on the sauce but enjoy the rest of your night

You saved me the bother of responding.

As for the insinuation that I'm pretending to be gay - I have no words. I spent a significant and difficult part of my life pretending to be straight because of the attitudes of the lad in the article. I've yet to hear of anyone doing the reverse until reading this thread this morning. Absolutely mental. Mental.

[NAE NOOKIE]

It's positive that people are confident to come out as gay. It's inspiring to young people who are coming to terms with their sexual indentity in a still very culturally biased heterosexual world to know that there are different types of sexuality and that not one of them is intrinsically 'right'.

That said, people's sexuality and how and when and if they choose to disclose it should be entirely their own affair. Thus speculation and pontification about an individual's sexuality on threads such as this, however well meaning the intention of the poster, is simply intrusive, inappropriate and rude.

Absolutely ......... A persons sexuality should be utterly irrelevant to us as human beings, never mind as Hibs supporters. Its strange and to be honest a bit baffling that we are 17 years into the 21st century and people in some sports, including football, are still afraid to 'come out'

The only thing that concerns me about anybody working for Hibs in whatever capacity is are they giving their all for the club, how their sexuality plays any part in that is beyond me ...... to use a ridiculous stereotype: I couldn't care less if Hibs centre forward turned up at ER in a flowing summer dress arm in arm with his boyfriend, all I care about is his effort on the park and his scoring stats and I would sincerely hope that's all his team mates would care about as well.

[lord bunberry]

I'm confused

[Tinribs]

The guy shouting the abuse is a complete weapon, can we all agree on that?

[Arch Stanton]

You saved me the bother of responding.

As for the insinuation that I'm pretending to be gay - I have no words. I spent a significant and difficult part of my life pretending to be straight because of the attitudes of the lad in the article. I've yet to hear of anyone doing the reverse until reading this thread this morning. Absolutely mental. Mental.

If I don't believe you then I don't believe you - nothing abusive in that so stop pretending there is. I said it because you played the gay card the way someone plays the ace of trumps - and you are doing it again - no attempt to explain your position.

LD's lifestyle choices are her own but you chose to publicise it - did you have as little empathy for Kezia Dugdale (someone who is in much safer environs than LD)?

And speculating about how many gay supporters there are is going to have no impact on homophobic abuse. We have had coloured players and supporters for a number of years, and despite what you say it did not stop fans being racially abusive.

Maybe there needs to be a "show the red card" type initiative - anyway, I am hopeful that fans are less tolerant of abuse than they used to be. I also hope the way the Dundee stewards dealt with this can become common practice.

[SirDavidsNapper]

The guy shouting the abuse is a complete weapon, can we all agree on that?

This. Something missing upstairs from people who do that. Would they shout abuse at their friend/brother/son? Glad they guy is banned.

[The Modfather]

Feel like I've entered the twilight zone reading this thread, it's bizarre!

[Pretty Boy]

If I don't believe you then I don't believe you - nothing abusive in that so stop pretending there is. I said it because you played the gay card the way someone plays the ace of trumps - and you are doing it again - no attempt to explain your position.

LD's lifestyle choices are her own but you chose to publicise it - did you have as little empathy for Kezia Dugdale (someone who is in much safer environs than LD)?

And speculating about how many gay supporters there are is going to have no impact on homophobic abuse. We have had coloured players and supporters for a number of years, and despite what you say it did not stop fans being racially abusive.

Maybe there needs to be a "show the red card" type initiative - anyway, I am hopeful that fans are less tolerant of abuse than they used to be. I also hope the way the Dundee stewards dealt with this can become common practice.

Coloured? Coloured?!

Do you really think using such a pejorative term adds to the debate in any way?:wink:

[I'm_cabbaged]

Jesus wept

[Arch Stanton]

Coloured? Coloured?!

Do you really think using such a pejorative term adds to the debate in any way?:wink:

If I was using the term coloured to refer to blacks then it would have been pejorative but I wasn't - I was just being inclusive, you know, like the NFL. :agree:

Anyway, what would the non-pejorative term be these days? Non-whites?

[Scott Allan Key]

Coloured? Coloured?!

Do you really think using such a pejorative term adds to the debate in any way?:wink:

I speculate that the poster might be pink. And there's nothing unusual about that.

I found an article on tackling homophobia in football from one of our political supporters mentioning the strides Hibs have done with at least a couple of our staff in representing a confident and positive approach showing leadership, providing role models. I understand the need to do this, but as I come from a faith that does come under a fair deal of open and hidden prejudice (I had to leave my job because of open discrimination from my manager), I also understand the need to be be able to self-assert what my own views are and not leave myself open to prejudicial discrimination because of ignorance and misconceptions. That's why personally, I generally don't like others bringing up what 'I' am, it's really only my business.

As for the welt who feels to abuse both homosexuality and football players while only making themselves look a fool, I hope Hibs ban them for some amount of time and they get some education on being civil to their fellows.

[Lancs Harp]

In many parts of the world the term "coloured" isnt pejorative at all, South Africa for instance where people of mixed race are coloured, three distinctive racial bands each with completely different cultures, white, coloured and black. My ex girlfriend was coloured from Pretoria. Tryng telling her or her family or the tens of thousands of people living in Eersterust Pretoria that they arent coloured. They certainly dont regard themselves as black africans.

[Arch Stanton]

I speculate that the poster might be pink. And there's nothing unusual about that.

I found an article on tackling homophobia in football from one of our political supporters mentioning the strides Hibs have done with at least a couple of our staff in representing a confident and positive approach showing leadership, providing role models. I understand the need to do this, but as I come from a faith that does come under a fair deal of open and hidden prejudice (I had to leave my job because of open discrimination from my manager), I also understand the need to be be able to self-assert what my own views are and not leave myself open to prejudicial discrimination because of ignorance and misconceptions. That's why personally, I generally don't like others bringing up what 'I' am, it's really only my business.

As for the welt who feels to abuse both homosexuality and football players while only making themselves look a fool, I hope Hibs ban them for some amount of time and they get some education on being civil to their fellows.

Pink? Jibe? Why?

I assume the role modelling and leadership is something that is within the organisation, and not a community thing?

Sounds like it and fair enough, well done in fact. Tackling the wider fan issues is another, more complex, matter. Not sure how that would be best handled.

[Keith_M]

I think the currently acceptable term in the US is 'a person of color'. Apparently, it's not offensive but using the term 'colored person' is.

It's a weird world, right enough.


Just to clarify, I myself am 'mixed race', because I'm mostly white but have a lot of freckles :wink:

[Pretty Boy]

In many parts of the world the term "coloured" isnt pejorative at all, South Africa for instance where people of mixed race are coloured, three distinctive racial bands each with completely different cultures, white, coloured and black. My ex girlfriend was coloured from Pretoria. Tryng telling her or her family or the tens of thousands of people living in Eersterust Pretoria that they arent coloured. They certainly dont regard themselves as black africans.

:agree:

Of course and I was just being a smart erse as this thread is so ridiculous it's about the level it deserves.

Most British/British based people who are black, middle eastern, Pakistani, Indian etc would find the term offensive though.

[Pretty Boy]

I think the currently acceptable term in the US is 'a person of color'. Apparently, it's not offensive but using the term 'colored person' is.

It's a weird world, right enough.


Just to clarify, I myself am 'mixed race', because I'm mostly white but have a lot of freckles :wink:

Colored person is offensive because it's the terminology used during segregation and in the Jim Crow laws.

[Lancs Harp]

:agree:

Of course and I was just being a smart erse as this thread is so ridiculous it's about the level it deserves.

Most British/British based people who are black, middle eastern, Pakistani, Indian etc would find the term offensive though.

Its sort of moving away from the op topic but as a bit of back ground to somethig that is close to my heart having been very closely involved with a coloured South African girl (we were engaged but didnt mange to make it over the finishing line), I think the reason black people in the UK are apparently resentful of the tag of being coloured is for exactly the reason I have explained. In many black cultures the term coloured refers to people of mixed race or decent, they would point out that they arent of mixed race so the term is incorrectly applied. British people of course not being the best versed people in the world regarding race generally see the world as white or non white.

[Beefster]

Saying many hibees are gay isn't a world of difference than saying all hibees are gay, is it?

Stupid comment to make.

I'm guessing that you've never studied first order logic.

Edit: I'm about 3 pages out of date on this thread it seems.

[Arch Stanton]

:agree:

Of course and I was just being a smart erse as this thread is so ridiculous it's about the level it deserves.

Most British/British based people who are black, middle eastern, Pakistani, Indian etc would find the term offensive though.

So this thread, "Hibs Fan Banned for Homophobic Abuse" is rediculous? OK.

I don't see why the above group should take offense as I am not addressing them - I am addressing white people who regard non-whites as inferior. That is not a trivial matter and bogging the thing down with semantics doesn't help.

[Pretty Boy]

So this thread, "Hibs Fan Banned for Homophobic Abuse" is rediculous? OK.

I don't see why the above group should take offense as I am not addressing them - I am addressing white people who regard non-whites as inferior. That is not a trivial matter and bogging the thing down with semantics doesn't help.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

[Arch Stanton]

I'm guessing that you've never studied first order logic.
My first reply was a mistake, sorry. Tried just to delete it.

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm astonished this thread is still going when the one about Ben Stokes being Arrested, which I started because of the headline was removed by an Admin. It was meant as a laugh to hook folk and I have no idea what was said that it was deleted though.

[Arch Stanton]

Its sort of moving away from the op topic but as a bit of back ground to somethig that is close to my heart having been very closely involved with a coloured South African girl (we were engaged but didnt mange to make it over the finishing line), I think the reason black people in the UK are apparently resentful of the tag of being coloured is for exactly the reason I have explained. In many black cultures the term coloured refers to people of mixed race or decent, they would point out that they arent of mixed race so the term is incorrectly applied. British people of course not being the best versed people in the world regarding race generally see the world as white or non white.

What would be good is an acceptable term covering all the people that white supremicists hate, cause that's what I was talking about.

[Moulin Yarns]

What would be good is an acceptable term covering all the people that white supremicists hate, cause that's what I was talking about.

Non racists?

[hibsbollah]

I'm guessing that you've never studied first order logic.

Edit: I'm about 3 pages out of date on this thread it seems.

A Venn diagram might be all that's needed.

(where A equals All Hibbys, B equals all gays, and C equals those allegedly pretending to be gay to play the gay card to win an argument on hibs net).

[Arch Stanton]

Non racists?

Except that I'm a white non-racist and they wouldn't give me a second thought - they certainly couldn't consider me to be an inferior race.

[Arch Stanton]

A Venn diagram might be all that's needed.

(where A equals All Hibbys, B equals all gays, and C equals those allegedly pretending to be gay to play the gay card to win an argument on hibs net).


Seems there are a good few people picking at side issues in order to rubbish this thread.

You agree that people wouldn't be homophobic if they just understood that lots of us hibbys are gay?

[hibsbollah]

Seems there are a good few people picking at side issues in order to rubbish this thread.

You agree that people wouldn't be homophobic if they just understood that lots of us hibbys are gay?

I have read that question three times and I still don't really understand what you're trying to say. This thread has already rushed past surreal and entered planet zarg.

[Arch Stanton]

I have read that question three times and I still don't really understand what you're trying to say. This thread has already rushed past surreal and entered planet zarg.

Well, if you've just skipped past the meat of the thread then of course you will end up with disjoint rubbish - same as any thread.

If you'd read the specific post I objected to then the post above would have made perfect sense. You don't even have to read back, my question is simple enough.

[Brightside]

I should be stunned that people are still using the term Coloured. But I'm not. :rolleyes:

[Keith_M]

Colored person is offensive because it's the terminology used during segregation and in the Jim Crow laws.



Perhaps, but there really isn't a world of difference between 'colored person' and 'person of color', surely. If somebody quite innocently uses the former term instead of the latter, without any racist intent, they shouldn't be jumped on and accused of racism.


Personally, I think the Yanks are a bit too obsessed with race/ethnicity and I find the whole thing a bit creepy.

[hibsbollah]

Well, if you've just skipped past the meat of the thread then of course you will end up with disjoint rubbish - same as any thread.

If you'd read the specific post I objected to then the post above would have made perfect sense. You don't even have to read back, my question is simple enough.

You say that, but you haven't taken into account the very pertinent but separate questions of of Ms Leanne Dempster and Lancs Harps south african mixed race/coloured/octoroon girlfriend.

[Peevemor]

I should be stunned that people are still using the term Coloured. But I'm not. :rolleyes:

When I was a lad saying black was bad and coloured was good. Old non-racist habits die hard.

[leither17]

A known member of "The Family"

[Arch Stanton]

You say that, but you haven't taken into account the very pertinent but separate questions of of Ms Leanne Dempster and Lancs Harps south african mixed race girlfriend.

So you think we should be blazoning LD's name as a symbol of our inclusiveness? Doesn't she get a choice?

We already have a manager who is a hate figure for non-football reasons - why put LD in the same situation?

Lancs Harps contribution was educational thanks.

[Mr White]

I'm astonished this thread is still going when the one about Ben Stokes being Arrested, which I started because of the headline was removed by an Admin. It was meant as a laugh to hook folk and I have no idea what was said that it was deleted though.

The same hilarious joke had already been cracked earlier in the day and the thread moved to the other sports forum. It's easier to delete threads than move them and I'm surprised you need clarification on why a thread about an English cricketer wouldn't be left on the part of the forum dedicated to discussion of Hibs & football in general.

[green with envy]

A known member of "The Family"

... And your point being?

[Keith_M]

It's quite funny that there are so many arguments on this thread when everybody that has commented on the subject agreed that what the guy did was wrong.

There seems to be a consensus as well that racism is also wrong, so all this bickering is a bit wierd.

[Arch Stanton]

It's quite funny that there are so many arguments on this thread when everybody that has commented on the subject agreed that what the guy did was wrong.

There seems to be a consensus as well that racism is also wrong, so all this bickering is a bit wierd.

Agreeing what is wrong is the easy bit - bickering (debating?) what to do about it is trickier - much trickier. ANd not to the taste of a number of people apparently.

[Moulin Yarns]

The same hilarious joke had already been cracked earlier in the day and the thread moved to the other sports forum. It's easier to delete threads than move them and I'm surprised you need clarification on why a thread about an English cricketer wouldn't be left on the part of the forum dedicated to discussion of Hibs & football in general.

OK, cheers for the explanation.

[Cabbage East]

This is an absolute Colin Nish of a thread.

[snooky]

This is an absolute Colin Nish of a thread.

:agree: Needs a zipper toot-sweet.

[MyJo]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wtf+gif&tbm=isch&imgil=ifm8s3X7Af1ATM%253A%253B7zI8DB1eCeDGgM%253Bh ttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fgif-finder.com%25252Fcolin-farrell-wtf%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ifm8s3X7Af1ATM%253A%252C7zI8DB1eCeDGgM%252C_&usg=__SHXnXBv-du4wrkA7qKL2Dg3tILQ%3D&biw=807&bih=539&ved=0ahUKEwjF-OrIucXWAhWiLsAKHUJZC9wQyjcIPw&ei=pqTLWcWNE6LdgAbCsq3gDQ#imgrc=_f7UELobWcHLNM:&spf=1506518189347

I see this thread didn't improve overnight :hilarious

[Nakedmanoncrack]

A known member of "The Family"

The Taylor family?

[nonshinyfinish]

I'd like to congratulate all involved for superlative avant-garde performance in the Dadaist school.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'd like to congratulate all involved for superlative avant-garde performance in the Dadaist school.Dadaism is a bit patriarchal, no?

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[hibsbollah]

Dadaism is a bit patriarchal, no?

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:top marks

[nonshinyfinish]

Dadaism is a bit patriarchal, no?

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:hilarious

It left it late, but this thread is starting to turn round.

[hibsbollah]

:hilarious

It left it late, but this thread is starting to turn round.

Shut yer face, it's been an absolutely first rate thread throughout :greengrin

[Saturday Boy]

I've been struggling to find a witty connection between this thread and Dadaism and the Ubu(er) thread.

Cabaret Voltaire on Spotify hasn't helped the situationist 😉

[Hibbyradge]

Wow, that was fun.

[One Day Soon]

Where has this thread been all my life?

Going from one utter knob getting his comeuppance to scenes from Apocalypse Now with dialogue by Kafka at the speed of sound has been quite an achievement. Leaves me me positively pining for the Calender Thread.

I don't think I can recall any other thread with quite so many veiled accusations, misunderstandings, incomprehensible posts, deliberate provocations and weird interpretations. Well done everyone.