More Terrorism?

[Colr]

Reports of an explosion on a tube train at Parsons Green in London.

[Sir David Gray]

Sounds like it although this doesn't appear to have caused any deaths thankfully.

[Colr]

Sounds like it although this doesn't appear to have caused any deaths thankfully.

TBH the pictures look like a paint tin or something similar. Might be something a workman was carrying.

[Hibee87]

Pictures I seen look to be a badly made home made one, a bucket inside a carrier bag. Thankfully there was not much damage or injury, however still terrible news and it could have been so much worse

[speedy_gonzales]

If, and it is only IF, this was a terrorist related event and nobody has been killed I'd like to think any perpetrator would be absolutely hammered with charges, something akin to attempted mass murder.
The problem with suicide bombers is it's hard to charge those involved with anything meaningful, I'm not taking about those that successfully die but the acquaintances they leave behind never really get charged with anything that reflects the severity of the incident.

[Sir David Gray]

Police have confirmed that it's being treated as an act of terrorism.

[Pretty Boy]

With the information available at the moment this looks total amateur hour. That's actually quite worrying as some idiot working lone wolf using half baked internet instructions is far harder to track than an organised cell.

[MountcastleHibs]

Device didn't fully detonate so it sounds like it could've been much worse!

[speedy_gonzales]

With the information available at the moment this looks total amateur hour. That's actually quite worrying as some idiot working lone wolf using half baked internet instructions is far harder to track than an organised cell.
Was it the failure to detonate or the Lidl bag that gave it away?
Absolute waste of 10p!

[Colr]

Friday, isn't it. Whipped into a frenzy at Friday prayers then go and try to commit mass murder!!

[Hibee87]

The most serious thing now is presumably the person(s) responsible are still out there just now.......IF they police have any incling and/or the terroists think the police are coming for them thats when they may go out on a rampage, jump in a car etc. I hope the police do have an idea and arrest those involved ASAP

[Moulin Yarns]

Friday, isn't it. Whipped into a frenzy at Friday prayers then go and try to commit mass murder!!

It can't have been, it was before noon, the time for Jum'ah.

[heretoday]

Trump's reaction is typical. Presumably, the bombers would have been "winners" if the thing had killed someone?

[ronaldo7]

Another attack in the city which is hosting this years up to date arms fare. A possible link to why the terrorist feels the need to kick back at innocent civilians?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/12/liam-fox-hails-britains-arms-exports-weapons-trade-show-london

[Slavers]

Another attack in the city which is hosting this years up to date arms fare. A possible link to why the terrorist feels the need to kick back at innocent civilians?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/12/liam-fox-hails-britains-arms-exports-weapons-trade-show-london

No I don't think terrorists will care if guns are being sold in the UK. It's more likely they will be happy the arms are being sold as it might mean they will get new guns to play with if they go and fight the holy war back in the middle East.

[hibsbollah]

Friday, isn't it. Whipped into a frenzy at Friday prayers then go and try to commit mass murder!!

I don't think that's very likely.

Assuming it is a jihaadist attack, which isn't established yet, it's likely to be the modern breed of loner radicalised on the Internet. And there's a strong argument that there's not really much 'radicalisation' needed, they are motivated by a psychopathic suicidal desire to be notorious.

[ronaldo7]

No I don't think terrorists will care if guns are being sold in the UK. It's more likely they will be happy the arms are being sold as it might mean they will get new guns to play with if they go and fight the holy war back in the middle East.

We won't know what goes through their minds. It might be who the UK are selling the arms to. :dunno:

[Slavers]

We won't know what goes through their minds. It might be who the UK are selling the arms to. :dunno:

I'd be more inclined to think radical Islam is the motivation behind this attack but I can't be sure. It might be as you say some terrorist group agreeved at UK arms sales but I'd be very surprised if that turns out to be the motivation.

[Pretty Boy]

I'd be more inclined to think radical Islam is the motivation behind this attack but I can't be sure. It might be as you say some terrorist group agreeved at UK arms sales but I'd be very surprised if that turns out to be the motivation.

Arms sales may not be a motivation for the leadership of the group(s) potentially responsible for today's attack. They are a propaganda gift to be aimed at the frustrated hard of thinking targeted by these types to do their bidding though.

More importantly, in my opinion, they also help to legitimise the regime and reinforce the military power of the biggest radical Islamist powerhouse on the planet. The creeping rise of Arabism, and the Wahhabi influence, in the wider Muslim world is the driving force behind increased radicalisation.

[Slavers]

Arms sales may not be a motivation for the leadership of the group(s) potentially responsible for today's attack. They are a propaganda gift to be aimed at the frustrated hard of thinking targeted by these types to do their bidding though.

More importantly, in my opinion, they also help to legitimise the regime and reinforce the military power of the biggest radical Islamist powerhouse on the planet. The creeping rise of Arabism, and the Wahhabi influence, in the wider Muslim world is the driving force behind increased radicalisation.

So your saying that because the UK sells arms to Saudi Arabia then this is being used as a motivation by Islamic extremists to encourage more attacks on UK soil? Do you have evidence to back this claim? I have never read this anywhere.

Would you prefer if the curent Saudi regime fell? Who would replace it? Or do you prefer the idea that Russia or China sells arms to the Saudis, would this make the UK safer?

[Pretty Boy]

So your saying that because the UK sells arms to Saudi Arabia then this is being used as a motivation by Islamic extremists to encourage more attacks on UK soil? Do you have evidence to back this claim? I have never read this anywhere.

Would you prefer if the curent Saudi regime fell? Who would replace it? Or do you prefer the idea that Russia or China sells arms to the Saudis, would this make the UK safer?

I'm not saying any of those things.

I'm saying there's a blatant hypocrisy in validating one type of extremist Islam whilst condemning another. One man who supports a regime that believe in beheading, oppression of women, flogging, torture, antisemitism and so on is number 1 on the most wanted list whilst another shares a suite with the Queen at Royal Ascot. Go figure.

I'm more than aware there are greater geopolitical issues at play. That doesn't mean I have to like it though. I also don't believe the safety of the UK is, or should be, the only concern.

[Slavers]

I'm not saying any of those things.

I'm saying there's a blatant hypocrisy in validating one type of extremist Islam whilst condemning another. One man who supports a regime that believe in beheading, oppression of women, flogging, torture, antisemitism and so on is number 1 on the most wanted list whilst another shares a suite with the Queen at Royal Ascot. Go figure.

I'm more than aware there are greater geopolitical issues at play. That doesn't mean I have to like it though. I also don't believe the safety of the UK is, or should be, the only concern.

I don't like that we sells arms to Saudi Arabia either but I'm not going to try and link the arms sales event held in London to the terrorist attack that occurred today. It's not connected in any real sense.

It seems to me that by saying that it is connected is only using this terrorist attack as opportunity to attack the UK government.

[hibsbollah]

I don't like that we sells arms to Saudi Arabia either but I'm not going to try and link the arms sales event held in London to the terrorist attack that occurred today. It's not connected in any real sense.

It seems to me that by saying that it is connected is only using this terrorist attack as opportunity to attack the UK governmen.

I love this nonsense where any attempt at providing context or wider explanation for events is painted as in some way disrespectful or making political capital.

[Slavers]

I love this nonsense where any attempt at providing context or wider explanation for events is painted as in some way disrespectful or making political capital.

Sure there is nonsense being spoken but it's not by me it's by people looking to shift blame away from the perpetrator.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't like that we sells arms to Saudi Arabia either but I'm not going to try and link the arms sales event held in London to the terrorist attack that occurred today. It's not connected in any real sense.

It seems to me that by saying that it is connected is only using this terrorist attack as opportunity to attack the UK governmen.

Who is one of the key funders of IS?

The Wikileaks emails between Podesta and Clinton pretty explicitly said Qatar and Saudi Arabia were key players. Joe Biden clearly stated Saudi was providing weapons to 'anyone who was fighting Assad'. Nouri Al Maliki said Qatar and Saudi were 'inciting and encouraging terrorist movements' and that they were 'supporting them with money and buying weapons for them.'

Whether that funding comes from the House of Saud direct is unproven but there is a wealth of leaked evidence to suggest the UK and US have raised the issue and believe it credible. Of course that has to be balanced with the political value of having an 'ally' in the Middle East and the monetary value of the trading of arms and oil.

[hibsbollah]

Sure there is nonsense being spoken but it's not by me it's by people looking to shift blame away from the perpetrator.

If you can tell me who has done that i'll give you a coconut and a bag of magic beans.

[Slavers]

If you can tell me who has done that i'll give you a coconut and a bag of magic beans.

I already have lots of those but thanks!

[Mibbes Aye]

Who is one of the key funders of IS?

The Wikileaks emails between Podesta and Clinton pretty explicitly said Qatar and Saudi Arabia were key players. Joe Biden clearly stated Saudi was providing weapons to 'anyone who was fighting Assad'. Nouri Al Maliki said Qatar and Saudi were 'inciting and encouraging terrorist movements' and that they were 'supporting them with money and buying weapons for them.'

Whether that funding comes from the House of Saud direct is unproven but there is a wealth of leaked evidence to suggest the UK and US have raised the issue and believe it credible. Of course that has to be balanced with the political value of having an 'ally' in the Middle East and the monetary value of the trading of arms and oil.

Good post.

The problem is that the US/UK are intimidated by the threat they feel Iran can pose and have been for decades, hence the coup in 1953 to overthrow a democratically-elected government. There will be Iranians who were alive when the US and UK conspired to deny them their will. If I was Iranian and of that generation I would probably hate us. Most adults will be the children of parents who lived through that and most children will have had grandparents who experienced it. Imagine voting for change and having it ripped away from you by a foreign power. Especially when that foreign power then put in a dictator for the next twenty-five years. I know some folk on here get wound up by the Iraq wars but this was arguably a lot worse. At least Obama had the decency to apologise for it.

For whatever reason the US has signed up with Sunni regimes, even though Shi'ism is arguably closer to the tenets of liberal democracy that inform the US Constitution!

[Slavers]

Who is one of the key funders of IS?

The Wikileaks emails between Podesta and Clinton pretty explicitly said Qatar and Saudi Arabia were key players. Joe Biden clearly stated Saudi was providing weapons to 'anyone who was fighting Assad'. Nouri Al Maliki said Qatar and Saudi were 'inciting and encouraging terrorist movements' and that they were 'supporting them with money and buying weapons for them.'

Whether that funding comes from the House of Saud direct is unproven but there is a wealth of leaked evidence to suggest the UK and US have raised the issue and believe it credible. Of course that has to be balanced with the political value of having an 'ally' in the Middle East and the monetary value of the trading of arms and oil.

I'm not disputing any of what your saying but I don't agree that the arms event had any influence on terrorist attack in London yesterday.

By claiming if we did not sell arms then our streets would be safer is misguided IMO.

[Pete]

18 year old arrested.

If he's found guilty then we need to remove people like this from society permanently. Life behind bars in solitary should do it.

Enough is enough.

[Ryan69]

Who is one of the key funders of IS?

The Wikileaks emails between Podesta and Clinton pretty explicitly said Qatar and Saudi Arabia were key players. Joe Biden clearly stated Saudi was providing weapons to 'anyone who was fighting Assad'. Nouri Al Maliki said Qatar and Saudi were 'inciting and encouraging terrorist movements' and that they were 'supporting them with money and buying weapons for them.'

Whether that funding comes from the House of Saud direct is unproven but there is a wealth of leaked evidence to suggest the UK and US have raised the issue and believe it credible. Of course that has to be balanced with the political value of having an 'ally' in the Middle East and the monetary value of the trading of arms and oil.

due to the well known oil pipe idea....

[Hibrandenburg]

The government now want to look again at internet censorship:rolleyes:

[Slavers]

It has been said an 18 year old 'refugee' has been arrested in connection with the bombing.

[Sylar]

A second arrest made today.

And you know what Londoners are doing? What the tourists are doing? Going about their business as usual, enjoying this great city.

[Slavers]

A second arrest made today.

And you know what Londoners are doing? What the tourists are doing? Going about their business as usual, enjoying this great city.

Well except for the Londoners laying in hospital but it's still a good point you make.

[Bristolhibby]

If, and it is only IF, this was a terrorist related event and nobody has been killed I'd like to think any perpetrator would be absolutely hammered with charges, something akin to attempted mass murder.
The problem with suicide bombers is it's hard to charge those involved with anything meaningful, I'm not taking about those that successfully die but the acquaintances they leave behind never really get charged with anything that reflects the severity of the incident.

Don't think long prison terms will deter these nutters.

However I agree, throw the book at them.

Keeps them off the streets for a very long time.

J

[flash]

Well except for the Londoners laying in hospital but it's still a good point you make.

Not that there are any. Google "false flag. The whole thing stinks.

[Slavers]

Not that there are any. Google "false flag. The whole thing stinks.

It would not surprise me if the government were false flagging events to introduce a police state.

[flash]

It would not surprise me if the government were false flagging events to introduce a police state.

I think they are in order to basically monitor the internet completely.

[Sylar]

I think they are in order to basically monitor the internet completely.

Does tin foil itch when it's that tight?

[Bristolhibby]

It would not surprise me if the government were false flagging events to introduce a police state.

You give the government too much credit.

They can't even stop a quadriplegic getting her benefits taken off her.

J

[flash]

Does tin foil itch when it's that tight?

I love how people dismiss anyone who notices these things as being a nutter. Have you seen the picture of the toothache lady?
If she has been badly burned then I am playing for Hibs tonight.

[Sylar]

I love how people dismiss anyone who notices these things as being a nutter. Have you seen the picture of the toothache lady?
If she has been badly burned then I am playing for Hibs tonight.

It was a minor detonation - an amateur device that failed to go off but probably still had the capacity to do some damage to those in the immediate vicinity. Was it perhaps a little overhyped by the media? Aye, I'd agree with that.

Was it an operation orchestrated by the government to exert some kind of control? Anyone that believes that to be the case, yes, I'm going to go with absolute nutter.

It's on a par with the moon-howlers that called 9/11 or the Sandy Hook massacre a false flag operation.