John McGinn bid rejected (merged threads)

[CorrieHibs]

Nottingham Forest want £10 million for their midfielder, Ben Osborn. Same age as McGinn, never won a trophy, no European experience and no senior international experience; however he's English!

[Heisenberg]

https://t.co/51F2tsavaN?amp=1

7 figure bid rejected. Third attempt likely.

[Unseen work]

The sun reporting the second bid was in the region of 1 million which was rejected.

prepaing a 3rd bid.

i wish they would stop wasting everyone's time

[southern hibby]

Nobody on here will know for sure but I'd be amazed if we sold for such a low figure without a decent sell on %

That's based on Warburton saying it was a lot less than a million they paid for him.

I thought Fanny said it was no where near a million ( not it was a lot less), but I might be wrong.

GGTTH

[Captain Trips]

The sun reporting the second bid was in the region of 1 million which was rejected.

prepaing a 3rd bid.

i wish they would stop wasting everyone's time

Is this a piss take? Are Hibs entertaining this pish? Are NF serious?

If they have went from 750k to 1m can Hibs please tell them to not contact them anymore. I quite angry at these offers, I find them completely disrespectful and Hibs should close the door on NF as of now.

Disgraceful offers.

[Bishop Hibee]

I really hope Hibs hold out for what he's worth not what a Championship side try to get away with. I fully understand McGinn or any player wanting to leave Hibs to earn a lot more money but the club are bigger than any individual player. I fully believe we'd get £3m at the next window or £2m if he stays to summer 2018. A successful season in the top flight will increase his value.

[Unseen work]

Is this a piss take? Are Hibs entertaining this pish? Are NF serious?

If they have went from 750k to 1m can Hibs please tell them to not contact them anymore. I quite angry at these offers, I find them completely disrespectful and Hibs should close the door on NF as of now.

Disgraceful offers.

If anything it shows John Mcginn how much they value him.

The right team will make a respectable bid

[ancient hibee]

If anything it shows John Mcginn how much they value him.

The right team will make a respectable bid

How they value him is what they offer him.He won't care about any other part of the finance.It didn't worry Cummings but maybe it should have as he sits on the bench.

[SHODAN]

It's quite simple.

If you want to sign McGinn before the end of the window, you know the asking price. It seems he's quite content to stay here for at least another season, so you can forget trying to unsettle him.

£5M or bolt.

[Andy74]

Nottingham Forest want £10 million for their midfielder, Ben Osborn. Same age as McGinn, never won a trophy, no European experience and no senior international experience; however he's English!

He's played about 130 games in the championship though. Nothing to do with being English or not. If McGinn plays over 100 games in that league and bigger teams then want him then he might be worth the same sometime.

[Heisenberg]

While the 5m chat from Lennon is nice to hear it'll never happen. Hibs would snap their hands off for a couple million.

[scoopyboy]

Is this a piss take? Are Hibs entertaining this pish? Are NF serious?

If they have went from 750k to 1m can Hibs please tell them to not contact them anymore. I quite angry at these offers, I find them completely disrespectful and Hibs should close the door on NF as of now.

Disgraceful offers.

You can't stop them making offers.

It's quite easy to deal with, say no if the offer isn't suitable and yes if it is.

No need to get angry.

[scoopyboy]

Agreed, hopefully we keep him. However, if he does indeed go, it needs to be for top dollar. The English Championship is awash with money; we must drive a hard bargain.

E-mail Hibs with this, they might not know.:wink:

[660]

While the 5m chat from Lennon is nice to hear it'll never happen. Hibs would snap their hands off for a couple million.

Agree that £2m would be a good price for SJM. They won’t bid that though. Third bid of £1.25m tomorrow is pretty obvious.

[flash]

E-mail Hibs with this, they might not know.:wink:

And of course Hibs would never make a low bidown to unsettle a target.

[Captain Trips]

Agree that £2m would be a good price for SJM. They won’t bid that though. Third bid of £1.25m tomorrow is pretty obvious.

So sell him for £2m then to the first club buying? I believe in the players ability and therfore think a full season in the SPL with added tv exposure could lead to better rewards for Hibs, SJM and St Mirren.

Sorry but if Hibs sell him just now with the first real interest IMO totally wrong approach and signal. I could accept it more if we were losing loads of money and trying to stave off debts but we are in a better place than when selling Thomson, Brown etc.

To sell a current international player at 22yrs old whom is a damn good player for £2m and it being the first serious interest would be the current boards first error, all IMO of course.

[Forza Fred]

The sun reporting the second bid was in the region of 1 million which was rejected.

prepaing a 3rd bid.

i wish they would stop wasting everyone's time

Bids coming in for players is, and has been all my life, simply a part of football.

And just as someone goes shopping for a car, a house (out here anyway) or whatever, there are various negotiating strategies involved.

They can bid a hundred times a day for anybody they like as far as I am involved......Hibs always have control what the final outcome will be, and simply need to utter one two letter word to each bid.

Successful sides with good players will always attract transfer bids, whether wanted or unwanted, and simply is, and always has been part of the territory.

I'm nonplussed by it all to be honest.

[Captain Trips]

While the 5m chat from Lennon is nice to hear it'll never happen. Hibs would snap their hands off for a couple million.

Well I think they would be stupid to do so unless we are desperate for the cash to plug a hole. I would like to think the club is in a position to not need to snap at any offers.

He is possibly going to be involved in playing international football over the weekend again for many folk to see. It would be folly to sell him just now.

I think SJM will do well here this season with added exposure and possibly more caps then SJM may well be worth closer to that 5m than 2m.

[Hibernia&Alba]

E-mail Hibs with this, they might not know.:wink:

My worry is we lose him for far less than his current value i.e. a fraction of what he would cost to buy from another English club. Tell them it's at least £2.5 million or don't bother placing any further bids. No timewasters, please.

[RossScott1991]

Sell Mcginn we get good money, that is great for a club like Hibs.

Don't sell McGinn yet then we get to keep a good player for a while longer.

He is not one for throwing toys out pram, or handing in transfer request. (not a fud like Allan) He's a good sensible lad john, he knows hibs are a good thing for him. He keeps getting into scotland squads with us.

Hibs / Lennon will have told him ''This is what we value you, if we get a bid that matches this we will sell you'' John will be happy with this and won't let him effect him soon as window is shut.

It is win win for us.

[LeithMike]

If he stays, even without extending his contract, I would expect John to increase in value over the course of the season. I am sure proving himself in the Premiership against the top teams will show he is a top player and I expect him to get blooded with Scotland once qualification is resolved. If that happens Hibs should be in a position to get a minimum of £2m even with only a year on his contract and we will have benefitted from having him for the season. I see no point in selling him now for the money being mentioned.

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[Mikey09]

Think we're forgetting the fact we have a manager of a completely different mindset who will not be walked over re the selling of arguably our best player.

And folk saying Forrest can bid what they want? Absolutely. But be prepared to be called out for what it is... Deliberately unsettling a player.

[Deansy]

I'm guessing he's missed a season and is talking about Scott Allan.


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Yup - let's just call it a 'Senior moment' :clown:

[Bay Area Hibees]

He comes across as a great lad. Smart, sensible. He will move for sure in time just hope not now. Will miss him when he goes infectious character. Let's hope it's after this season and for more cash.

[seanshow]

I hope be stays, and Hibs tell these cheeky !*#*$ to bolt!
One observation about this thread is the lack of 'in the know' posters?
Different to a potential new player arrival when loads of people are chipping in with greggs info.

[greenlex]

It should be remembered that Hibs only get a percentage of any fee with St Mirren bagging a bit so any fee might indeed need to be a lot more than us being suggested to let him go. If rumours(depending on who you listen to) are correct a 1 million fee would only see 600-700k coming to Hibs. They better sharpen there pencil if they are serious.

[Sprouleflyer]

£1.5m bid rejected by Hibs according to radio Scotland.

[greenlex]

Third bid of 1.5 million being reported as being rejected.

[Sprouleflyer]

Third bid of 1.5 million being reported as being rejected.

Snap!

[Michael]

Well, that's surely the end of it then. At least as far as NF are concerned.

[Roxyhibee]

Missed it - are they reporting £1.5m as the actual third bid.? It maybe a second or 'improved' one..

[FilipinoHibs]

Well, that's surely the end of it then. At least as far as NF are concerned.

Disagree - close to what we will accept. Up to 2m by today. I fear he has gone. They have taken in 16m and spent 5.5m.

[Heisenberg]

Thought 1.5mill was only the second bid?

[Jim44]

.......... and don't forget that's in effect just over £1M to us. :rolleyes:

[calumhibee1]

Time to tell them to start putting in serious bids or just stop entertaining them. Any less than £3m and the phone goes straight back down.

[Heisenberg]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4838680/amp/Hibernian-reject-1-5m-bid-Forest-John-McGinn.html

Looks like 1.5 was their second attempt. Third bid likely today. We'd be playing a risky game in selling him now considering the lack of time to bring reinforcements in.

[brog]

If SJM was in last year of his contract then £2m would be decent. He's not & it's not. You obviously start bidding low but most transfer prices increase by about 50% at most from original bid. If NF go to £2m that's an increase of 167% if reports are to be believed. I'm not sure what that means in terms of NF's strategy but I'd like to believe they're now at or close to their bid limit. We'll know soon enough.

[Jim44]

Disagree - close to what we will accept. Up to 2m by today. I fear he has gone. They have taken in 16m and spent 5.5m.

You might be right. If they're quite flush, they'll possibly get their man and the window will slam shut, as they say. We could be left with no replacement, although Slivca can fill the gap nicely.

[Isaac_Refvik]

I think the sell on clause is almost more important than the initial transfer fee. Once he gets on the rollercoaster of English football, his value could, if he does well, spiral upwards. If we get 20% sell on it could be worth as much again as we're going to get up front, maybe more. Ordinary players can go for 5 mill down there.

[Callum_62]

I reckon 2 mill plus 20% sell on and we would accept

Potentially a decent deal depending how he progresses

If they doubled there 2nd bid- shows how terrible first bid was


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[Onion]

If NF have doubled their bid to 1.5, then expect SJM to be gone before cop - or for Celtic to step in and snap him up. Cash is not a problem in either case, competing in the Championship is huge issue for NF

£3M will be on the table before midnight.

[scott7_0(Prague)]

If NF have doubled their bid to 1.5, then expect SJM to be gone before cop - or for Celtic to step in and snap him up. Cash is not a problem in either case, competing in the Championship is huge issue for NF

£3M will be on the table before midnight.

3m - you are having a laugh.

They will never offer that kind of money on a Scottish player.

Having said that, if 3m can in from a team we would be hard pressed to say no.

3m in 300k out for Liam - good bit of business.

[bingo70]

3m - you are having a laugh.

They will never offer that kind of money on a Scottish player.

Having said that, if 3m can in from a team we would be hard pressed to say no.

3m in 300k out for Liam - good bit of business.

You're probably right but I don't see why not, players from Scotland have consistently been very good value for English championship clubs.

[Captain Trips]

3m - you are having a laugh.

They will never offer that kind of money on a Scottish player.

Having said that, if 3m can in from a team we would be hard pressed to say no.

3m in 300k out for Liam - good bit of business.

" Never offer" On a Sottish player or player currently playing in Scotland.

Well clubs up here need to get tough base the fee on his ability and that alone and he is worth more than what we got for Brown all day.

[flash]

" Never offer" On a Sottish player or player currently playing in Scotland.

Well clubs up here need to get tough base the fee on his ability and that alone and he is worth more than what we got for Brown all day.

He really isn't.

[southern hibby]

Not up to date with all this transfer stuff as I've never really bothered about it but ( I'm only using easy figures here ) If we excepted 1.5 million and say 15% sell on. Would St Mirren get 500,000 and a third of the 15% (5%) or just a third of money up front fee?

Only asking because obviously if in 3 years time he's sold for 10 million and we as fans thinking we're going to get 1.5 million then it's a big difference compared to what we would get if St Mirren get a third of this too.

I'm guessing here but it depends what is in the contract between Hibs and St Mirren and I was only using a third as that's what has been quoted though even this has been disputed by Rod.


GGTTH

[bingo70]

He really isn't.

I'm not convinced John Mcginn is as good as Brown was but that was ten years ago!!!

Why have transfer fees in Scotland stood still/regressed over such a long period of time while they've gone bonkers everywhere else?!

[hibbie02]

I'm not convinced John Mcginn is as good as Brown was but that was ten years ago!!!

Why have transfer fees in Scotland stood still/regressed over such a long period of time while they've gone bonkers everywhere else?!

Brown was a different player to McGinn when he was at Hibs. He was box to box, all action then. More similar nowadays since Brown plays a holding role and has lost that speed.

[bingo70]

Brown was a different player to McGinn when he was at Hibs. He was box to box, all action then. More similar nowadays since Brown plays a holding role and has lost that speed.

I would say John Mcginn is exactly the type of player Brown was with us, both are box to box, both liked getting stuck in and both liked driving forward, they both also need to add more goals to their game.

[Captain Trips]

He really isn't.

Agree to disagree flash, under £5m is a rip off IMO.

[Smartie]

One of the reasons Brown went for so much was because there were a few interested parties.

If you can get 3 or 4 clubs into an auction for a player they all really want (even better if, like in Celtic's case with Brown, they really don't want their rivals to get the player) then the price goes up.

There is a lot more than just ability that will dictate what a club is prepared to pay.

If Forest are in an auction with themselves then we'll get less than if we have a few clubs interested.

Which might happen if McGinn has a good year in the Scottish Premier League and gets a few more caps this season.

[Bob Box Fish]

Anyone got McGinns stats for the last three years-appearances, assists and goals ?

I know his goal ratio is poor not sure on assists?

[Springbank]

Scott Brown was worth the 4.4m
He had won a trophy at Hibs
But he'd also been part of teams that had thrown away semi finals in each season under Mowbray

John Mcginn won the league cup with St mirren
He won the championship with Hibs
And he was instrumental in winning semis and getting to finals with Hibs and, of course, winning The Scottish Cup

I'd say he is in the 4.4 to 5m bracket

[Smartie]

Anyone got McGinns stats for the last three years-appearances, assists and goals ?

I know his goal ratio is poor not sure on assists?

With players like McGinn I think stats can be misleading.

Unless we include stats for the numbers of times a player does that "stick your arse out, plant your foot and roll the player" thing that McGinn is absolutely world class at.

McGinn won't have many assists or goals. Doesn't mean he isn't a fantastic player.

He wins tackles and more often than not keeps the ball. He drives us up the park with powerful dribbling.

Class player, even if his stats don't match those of other players.

[madhatter]

One of the reasons Brown went for so much was because there were a few interested parties.

If you can get 3 or 4 clubs into an auction for a player they all really want (even better if, like in Celtic's case with Brown, they really don't want their rivals to get the player) then the price goes up.

There is a lot more than just ability that will dictate what a club is prepared to pay.

If Forest are in an auction with themselves then we'll get less than if we have a few clubs interested.

Which might happen if McGinn has a good year in the Scottish Premier League and gets a few more caps this season.

Were 3-4 clubs prepared to spend over £100m for Dembele? I find that hard to believe because all other teams with that kind of money (debt) bought other players. Relatively unknown player with Barcelona seemingly only one interested...£130m. John McGinn £1m? Sorry no 2 ways about it - Scottish football is being conned.

[Blaster]

I think people need to be more realistic. I think anything over £2m with a reasonable sell on clause will be accepted.

Hopefully we don't get that acceptable bid!!!

[Captain Trips]

SJM may be worth £2m but so are a lot of players whom are going for 2,3 x that. We need to be doing that and we do that if nobody is giving us that now fine. I believe in him to do well this season at higher level against better teams more tv exposure and possibly more caps. Selling him before any of this is folly and a mistake.

It is 2017 fees are going through roof until you come up here were SJM is indeed worth £2m and we will get every penny of his worth not much more if any yet all all over the place clubs are getting over the odds.

[Firestarter]

Brown was a much better player at us that McGinn. He also had 3 years left on his new improved 4 year deal. The difference is though the cash due to St Mirren so I would take a lower bid with a decent player and sell on fee.

[Stuart93]

Anybody who thinks we'd get anywhere near £5m is deluded. I think we'd accept 2.5-3m

[Bostonhibby]

Fed up of Warblers obsession with undervaluing Hibs players and making derogatory offers?

Petrie should meet him and sort him out once and for all with this marvellous invention

https://youtu.be/sgcmJdI4MHM

[scoopyboy]

Anybody who thinks we'd get anywhere near £5m is deluded. I think we'd accept 2.5-3m

I agree and I would say that would be fair.

Andrew Robertson went from Dundee Utd to Hull for around that so it's not out of the question.

[JimboHibs]

Anybody who thinks we'd get anywhere near £5m is deluded. I think we'd accept 2.5-3m

I think we'd accept even less than that if a bit of 2m was placed reckon we'd accept.

[Peevemor]

I really like SJM and hope we keep him. He's great to watch with the ball at his feet, getting close to opponents and using his body to turn people.

However his distribution isn't always the best, he could do with chipping in a few more goals (he has it in him and I'm sure it will come) and his corners aren't very good at all.

If Hibs were to clear £1.5-£2m after weighing in St Mirren I wouldn't be too disappointed, providing we have the time to use the dosh to strengthen the squad, with the likes of Moult as a priority.

[Keyser Sauzee]

A lot of people in dreamland regarding SJM fee, we won't receive an offer of more than £2m and if we get close to that Hibs will accept. I think he will be off today and I think the board and NL will have prepared for this with someone coming in to keep the numbers up, might not be a replacement as I see Slivka as that.

[bingo70]

I really like SJM and hope we keep him. He's great to watch with the ball at his feet, getting close to opponents and using his body to turn people.

However his distribution isn't always the best, he could do with chipping in a few more goals (he has it in him and I'm sure it will come) and his corners aren't very good at all.

If Hibs were to clear £1.5-£2m after weighing in St Mirren I wouldn't be too disappointed, providing we have the time to use the dosh to strengthen the squad, with the likes of Moult as a priority.

I know we should probably get away from the comparison as we clearly aren't going to get the same amount but your first two paragraphs could easily have been describing Scott Brown when he was here.

[Peevemor]

I know we should probably get away from the comparison as we clearly aren't going to get the same amount but your first two paragraphs could easily have been describing Scott Brown when he was here.

Scott Brown's passing was better than SJM's. He scored 20 goals in 134 games - McGinn has 11 in 98 (but in the second tier).

The comparison is complicated though, as they're not at all the same sort of player.

[green with envy]

Seemingly a third bid has just been rejected.

[Phil MaGlass]

I don´t think and I hope Hibs will not let him go for 2 million, definitely worth more IMO.
Will become a great player.
3 million +

[007]

Seemingly a third bid has just been rejected.

Just seen a tweet about it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HibsNews1875

[Moulin Yarns]

Sky sources- Hibs have accepted a fourth bid from Nottingham Forest for John McGinn in the region of £3m. #deadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadlineday?src=hash)

[Roxyhibee]

Really hope we keep SJM - absolutely crucial player for us this season in the big games like Hampden, derbys, Huns, Sheep.

As a fan rolling up to ER every fortnight, I'm currently not interested in sums of money - roll on midnight with no sale.

p.s. I'm sure history will show Brown to be an all round better player, however the best is yet to come from McGinn, so time will tell..

[660]

Sky sources- Hibs have accepted a fourth bid from Nottingham Forest for John McGinn in the region of £3m. #deadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadlineday?src=hash)

What?

[bingo70]

Sky sources- Hibs have accepted a fourth bid from Nottingham Forest for John McGinn in the region of £3m. #deadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadlineday?src=hash)

Who's tweeted that? I thought I followed all sky related tweets but can't see anything?

[Moulin Yarns]

Who's tweeted that? I thought I followed all sky related tweets but can't see anything?

@skyscotland Sky sports Scotland

Edit: I see the only have 3 tweets so maybe not real account

[BlackSheep]

Sky sources- Hibs have accepted a fourth bid from Nottingham Forest for John McGinn in the region of £3m. #deadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadlineday?src=hash)

Where?

[DarrenSQH]

@skyscotland Sky sports Scotland

fake account

Thats its first ever tweet

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Scott Brown's passing was better than SJM's. He scored 20 goals in 134 games - McGinn has 11 in 98 (but in the second tier).

The comparison is complicated though, as they're not at all the same sort of player.

Interesting... talking to my old man last night about this comparison amd we both thought mcginn has a far greater range of passing than brown has ever had, but that brown was more dynamic and all rpund stronger player when he was at hibs.

Opinions eh!!

[SRHibs]

Sky sources- Hibs have accepted a fourth bid from Nottingham Forest for John McGinn in the region of £3m. #deadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadlineday?src=hash)

Nope.

[G B Young]

Sky sources- Hibs have accepted a fourth bid from Nottingham Forest for John McGinn in the region of £3m. #deadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadlineday?src=hash)

Not true.

Latest is this (from half an hour ago):

Sky Sports Scotland‏Verified account @ScotlandSky (https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky) 38m38 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/903189900958289920)More
SCOTLANDSky sources- Hibs have rejected a third bid from Nottingham Forest for John McGinn. #deadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadlineday?src=hash)

[Firestarter]

****in hell hes going to go :(

[Peevemor]

Interesting... talking to my old man last night about this comparison amd we both thought mcginn has a far greater range of passing than brown has ever had, but that brown was more dynamic and all rpund stronger player when he was at hibs.

Opinions eh!!

I'd agree but, from what I remember, I'd say that a higher percentage of Brown's passes found their man.

[Borderhibbie76]

I would say John Mcginn is exactly the type of player Brown was with us, both are box to box, both liked getting stuck in and both liked driving forward, they both also need to add more goals to their game.Mcginn doesn't score anywhere near enough goals to be considered as good as a young Scott Brown imo...its the big weakness in SJMs game at the moment

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[Firestarter]

Not true.

Latest is this (from half an hour ago):

Sky Sports Scotland‏Verified account @ScotlandSky (https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky) 38m38 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/903189900958289920)More
SCOTLANDSky sources- Hibs have rejected a third bid from Nottingham Forest for John McGinn. #deadlineday (https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadlineday?src=hash)



Woohoo he might stay :)

[Bostonhibby]

My forest supporting mate is a ST holder and has one "decent" contact at the club. He texted me to say they've "upped" the bid to £1.5m.

Just passing on. I'm never ITK

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[Aldo]

£3 million and sell on clause and I'd be happy with that.

That's tops!


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[scoopyboy]

@skyscotland Sky sports Scotland

Edit: I see the only have 3 tweets so maybe not real account

I think you're right.

Don't see them going from 750,000 to 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 then doubling it to 3,000,000.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Comparisons with the Scott Brown transfer might hold up when it comes to who was the better player at the same age, but now the market is totally different, and in this window has gone insane. The 4 million odd we got for Brown was a fair deal at the time and he has gone on to prove that he was worth the money.

In this market the 4 million paid for Scott Brown would probably have had to be 7 or 8 million ..... In that context accepting anything less than 3 million for John McGinn would be like giving him away and that's without a bidding war, if there was one then I would expect us to be looking for at least 4 million, with add ons to boot.

[660]

Mcginn doesn't score anywhere near enough goals to be considered as good as a young Scott Brown imo...its the big weakness in SJMs game at the moment

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Scott Brown was far from a goalscoring midfielder at Hibs.

[bingo70]

Mcginn doesn't score anywhere near enough goals to be considered as good as a young Scott Brown imo...its the big weakness in SJMs game at the moment

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Brown never scored enough goals either.

Fwiw I'm not saying Mcginn is as good as Brown but I do think they're similar players (to the hibs brown, not the one that joined Celtic and changed how they play)

[SquashedFrogg]

I think you're right.

Don't see them going from 750,000 to 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 then doubling it to 3,000,000.

Maybe after the 1.5m bid Leeann passed the phone over to Rod? :cb

[21sMay]

Guy at my work is saying we knocked back 1.4million last night and told them we wouldn't accept any less than 2 million 😯. Guy has links to hibs through the youth football

[Souter96Mac]

£3 mil minimum imo, especially with this percentage going to St mirren. It'd be nice to get a decent chunk ourselves. Also tasty sell on fee wouldn't go a miss.
However I'd only be looking to get this deal done well before tonight, allowing us to plan out replacements/quality players to bring in I.e. hendo or moult. I can see him staying though.

[Captain Trips]

If only one club interested we move on. Lets mot take what he is worth most other big clubs don't.

A season in SPL will be best all round.

[500miles]

Thing is, Slivka seems a similar player to SJM, so we could play him centrally if we sell. If we put some of that cash towards Henderson, then we have a slightly more creative player, who can actually hit a set piece.

[Borderhibbie76]

Guy at my work is saying we knocked back 1.4million last night and told them we wouldn't accept any less than 2 million [emoji54]. Guy has links to hibs through the youth footballAppreciate the info mate but I doubt someone linked to Hibs youth would know the numbers being talked about by Hibs and NF...

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[mjhibby]

Guy at my work is saying we knocked back 1.4million last night and told them we wouldn't accept any less than 2 million 😯. Guy has links to hibs through the youth football

I doubt very much hibs will sell for less than £3m plus a sell on fee. Seems a non story for a start and does sjm really want to go to such a toxic club and manager. I'm sure he'll sign another deal like Jason then insert a figure like £ 2.5m he can speak to other clubs. The magic hat just can't get over may 21. 😁

[vahibbie]

Guy at my work is saying we knocked back 1.4million last night and told them we wouldn't accept any less than 2 million 😯. Guy has links to hibs through the youth football

Doubt it. That's like saying 2 million and he's yours, think we are better negotiaters than that.
I'd like us to tell Warbs 5 Mill or don't call us again😜

[Dr What If?]

My forest supporting mate is a ST holder and has one "decent" contact at the club. He texted me to say they've "upped" the bid to £1.5m.

Just passing on. I'm never ITK

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For some reason this reminds me of the time I sold my first flat. I had a bid of c£100k (was a few years ago) but was holding out for more. Then one viewer approached me and rather forcefully said 'I can give you £90k now, deal?', he then held his hand out to shake. I told him what I wanted and of the bid I had, he just laughed and said he would offer less next time.
Forest are firing bids in but unless we can get better for the money on offer it will be no deal....their bids can't even be considered real bids, they are deluding themselves if they think this will even make Hibs think. Some are saying £3m, I will say more. McGinn is some player and I want him in a Hibs strip for years to come - a successful bit will have to be enough to take us forward, Forest bids (even if £1.5m) are way, way too small.

[21sMay]

Appreciate the info mate but I doubt someone linked to Hibs youth would know the numbers being talked about by Hibs and NF...

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Maybe so mate . Was just passing on what he said to me. I'm hoping he doesn't go at all never mind for 2 million

[Borderhibbie76]

Maybe so mate . Was just passing on what he said to me. I'm hoping he doesn't go at all never mind for 2 millionAgreed mate I hope we stand firm....my concern if he does go is lack of depth in midfield. Yes Slivka looks decent bit we'd need another of decent quality in before midnight if he does go...

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[Shrekko]

Scott Brown was far from a goalscoring midfielder at Hibs.

Brown had some terrific games for Hibs but the way some Hibs fans talk you'd think he rarely did anything wrong. Think his bravado and raw potential appealed to a lot of fans but there are certainly a few with blind spots for some of his erratic games and hot headed moments. His passing nowadays is safe and secure but at Hibs he quite often made bad decisions.

I'd say McGinn could well end up as good if not better. There's very little to chose between them as footballers. Brown has more charisma and arrogance but McGinn is better on the ball IMO.

[eastcoasthibby]

So sell him for £2m then to the first club buying? I believe in the players ability and therfore think a full season in the SPL with added tv exposure could lead to better rewards for Hibs, SJM and St Mirren.

Sorry but if Hibs sell him just now with the first real interest IMO totally wrong approach and signal. I could accept it more if we were losing loads of money and trying to stave off debts but we are in a better place than when selling Thomson, Brown etc.

To sell a current international player at 22yrs old whom is a damn good player for £2m and it being the first serious interest would be the current boards first error, all IMO of course.

I agree with this, 2 million is a million shy of where his value lies and as a Board they will be selling the clubs interests short by selling the prize asset at a cheap rate at a time when there is no way we can replace him for at least 4 months !
The board also need to assess the impact that doing a deal at this price would be really against the fans ST's expectations. We spoke about our summer signings being a statement of intent ...selling McGinn at this time for this sort of deal and especially to that ----ing arrogant, ignorant, unsportsmanlike, twisted being that manages NF just adds fuel to the fire of it being a really poor deal, he is taking still baring a grudge since thw cup final and as such taking the proverbial p--- ! Let's hope the Board make him pay the going rate or tell him to do one,until
he gets real. Or better still if we are selling SJM, I really hope another team comes in for him, so that we don't sell him on the cheap to help the Breadmans CV and give him success.

[ahibby]

Agreed mate I hope we stand firm....my concern if he does go is lack of depth in midfield. Yes Slivka looks decent bit we'd need another of decent quality in before midnight if he does go...

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With Slivka, Murray, Swanson, McGeouch, Boyle, and Bartley and the lad from MC (forgot his name), we aren't looking too bad, but would be stronger with McGinn, obviously. If he does go we will probably have a quick bring in lined up though, I'm confident that Hibs wouldn't let him go unless that was the case, or felt we have enough without him?

[Borderhibbie76]

With Slivka, Murray, Swanson, McGeouch, Boyle, and Bartley and the lad from MC (forgot his name), we aren't looking too bad, but would be stronger with McGinn, obviously. If he does go we will probably have a quick bring in lined up though, I'm confident that Hibs wouldn't let him go unless that was the case, or felt we have enough without him?I disagree mate...mcgeouch and his fitness woes if he's injured we r left hugely short in central midfield and Marv creates very little so that leaves Slivka as our only creative midfielder if SJM leaves....if he does go we deffo need another in...maybe Hendo??

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[Keith_M]

Scott Brown's passing was better than SJM's. He scored 20 goals in 134 games - McGinn has 11 in 98 (but in the second tier).

The comparison is complicated though, as they're not at all the same sort of player.


Wikipedia has him down for 13 goals in 110 games, which isn't too different to 11 from 98.

Although Brown's were mostly at a higher level than McGinn's.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Inside The SPFL‏ @AgentScotland 2h2 hours ago
Second Forest bid for John McGinn was £1.45m but only half of that up front, Hibs didn't even consider it.




wonder what the 3rd bid was :confused: and what's with the half up front p@sh, warburton has certainly learnt something from his time at the orcs eh

[Moulin Yarns]

Hope this is a better source than my last one :greengrin




E- Nottingham Forest‏ @e_nottmforest 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/e_nottmforest/status/903211304143519744)


Transfer News: Third bid of £3million has been rejected for John McGinn. Hibs staying firm with £5million valuation #nffc (https://twitter.com/hashtag/nffc?src=hash) #transfernews (https://twitter.com/hashtag/transfernews?src=hash)

[J-C]

Hope this is a better source than my last one :greengrin




E- Nottingham Forest‏ @e_nottmforest 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/e_nottmforest/status/903211304143519744)


Transfer News: Third bid of £3million has been rejected for John McGinn. Hibs staying firm with £5million valuation #nffc (https://twitter.com/hashtag/nffc?src=hash) #transfernews (https://twitter.com/hashtag/transfernews?src=hash)







Even that's laughable, £3m and their hand would be bitten off for that amount.

[Ronniekirk]

Well if they want him in this window they know we are playing hard ball and will have to significantly increase thier offer And none of this installment crap It didnt work when he was Mansget at The Tangers He clearly hasnt learnt his lesson
Think the Club deserve credit for doing what they said they would do Knock back bids that didnt meet thier valuation of the Playetr
Could see one Final bid being made if they really want him this window

[Just Jimmy]

Not a penny less than £5mill.

It's time someone outside Celtic stood up to these clubs which are inflated due to tv money.

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[hibeedonald]

Having seen the pics of mcginn on the flight to Lithuania surely he cant sign for anyone

[GordonHFC]

Having seen the pics of mcginn on the flight to Lithuania surely he cant sign for anyone

His agent will probably have his authority to sign on his behalf.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Inside The SPFL‏ @AgentScotland 2h2 hours ago
Second Forest bid for John McGinn was £1.45m but only half of that up front, Hibs didn't even consider it.




wonder what the 3rd bid was :confused: and what's with the half up front p@sh, warburton has certainly learnt something from his time at the orcs eh

If that's true all I can say is that its really quite sad to see a club who were once a giant of European football, at least on the park, embarrassing themselves like this ..... oh how the mighty have fallen :bitchy:

[southsider]

Having seen the pics of mcginn on the flight to Lithuania surely he cant sign for anyone
By fax ????

[SRHibs]

Hope this is a better source than my last one :greengrin




E- Nottingham Forest‏ @e_nottmforest 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/e_nottmforest/status/903211304143519744)


Transfer News: Third bid of £3million has been rejected for John McGinn. Hibs staying firm with £5million valuation #nffc (https://twitter.com/hashtag/nffc?src=hash) #transfernews (https://twitter.com/hashtag/transfernews?src=hash)






Think you just need to avoid Twitter mate. 🤐😂

[Stewboy]

Having seen the pics of mcginn on the flight to Lithuania surely he cant sign for anyone

Somebody from national team doctor staff will do the medical on NF's behalf and agent will sign by proxy I would imagine

[SRHibs]

By fax ????

Or he can just sign his screen and take a screenshot.

[hibeedonald]

Somebody from national team doctor staff will do the medical on NF's behalf and agent will sign by proxy I would imagine

Seriously? Has that type of thing ever happened before?

[bingo70]

Seriously? Has that type of thing ever happened before?

It's what happened with the ox signing for Liverpool today.

I think in this case he'd just sign subject to passing a medical, contracts and paperwork will be emailed to him.

[Stewboy]

Seriously? Has that type of thing ever happened before?

Sure it happens all the time when the window closes on an international week or teams sign a player from the other side of the world. Its not like the Scottish team doctor is going to make anything up is it

[Speedy]

Anybody who thinks we'd get anywhere near £5m is deluded. I think we'd accept 2.5-3m

You're probably right with that price range (which with a good sell on fee might not be a bad result).

However, it's not about being deluded, it's about putting our foot down.

Transfer prices have gone mental worldwide but we should accept far less than we did for Brown, why?

[G B Young]

Even that's laughable, £3m and their hand would be bitten off for that amount.

Indeed. Nonsense to suggest Forest would go from a £1.45 million bid with only half the cash up front to a £3 million bid.

[Centre Hawf]

Tell them the price is £5m before 6pm so we can get a replacement sorted asap. After 6pm it goes up half a million every hour as it makes our job harder to replace him.

[BegbieHSC]

I wouldn't deal with Nottingham Forrest on principle now:

First we had Warburton attempt to disclose an undisclosed fee agreement with Cummings;

Secondly, we had that insulting, low ball offer of £750,000, and continue to make insultingly low offetrs;

Thirdly, their fans fight each other over pies (fannies); 4thly they are also deluded, and have a very warped vision of Scottish football.

And finally, Warburton remains a fanny, and got pumped in the Scottish Cup final thanks to a Stokesy double, and a last minute Davie Gray goal thanks to a delightful Liam Henderson delivery.

[green day]

Had a look on a Forest fans forum and they reckon the McGinn deal is dead - one guy did question why they were pissing about with £250k increments instead of just offering the right money up front.

[JimBHibees]

It's what happened with the ox signing for Liverpool today.

I think in this case he'd just sign subject to passing a medical, contracts and paperwork will be emailed to him.

Much easier in that case with England being based at St Georges what with all the top of the range facilities there. Sure in SJMs case it could be done however would be more complicated you would think.

[WhileTheChief..]

£3m and I'd accept without hesitation.

[SHODAN]

Brown was sold to Celtic for £4.4M. McGinn would probably be worth around £3M then.

The record UK record transfer fee at the time was £30M. It's now £90M. So, that puts his valuation at £9M. Ridiculous that English clubs still think it's fine to get Scottish players on the cheap considering the ridiculous amount of money they have.

[Stuart93]

You're probably right with that price range (which with a good sell on fee might not be a bad result).

However, it's not about being deluded, it's about putting our foot down.

Transfer prices have gone mental worldwide but we should accept far less than we did for Brown, why?

Deluded probably a little harsh, I agree in terms of putting our foot down.

[Delboy4]

Having seen the pics of mcginn on the flight to Lithuania surely he cant sign for anyone


E-mail contract to SJM, sign and scan contract then email back with originals in the post to SFA.

Deal done,
Eazy Peazy..!

[GloryGlory]

E-mail contract to SJM, sign and scan contract then email back with originals in the post to SFA.

Deal done,
Eazy Peazy..!

Medical?

[CallumLaidlaw]

Medical?

Oxlade chamberlain just done his Liverpool medical at England's training camp.


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[Gregor]

£3m and I'd accept without hesitation.

I'd go with that ; replace Super John with Super Stephen - and pick up Hendo while we're at it.

[madjock9]

E-mail contract to SJM, sign and scan contract then email back with originals in the post to SFA.

Deal done,
Eazy Peazy..!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drP5KMZF0SA

The world of electronic Signatures you can sign anything anywhere at anytime. I work for the company that is trying to change the way paper is signed

[Delboy4]

E-mail contract to SJM, sign and scan contract then email back with originals in the post to SFA.

Deal done,
Eazy Peazy..!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drP5KMZF0SA

The world of electronic Signatures you can sign anything anywhere at anytime. I work for the company that is trying to change the way paper is signed

I email my football clients contracts all the time as player and club secretary/lawyer cannot always be at the same place at the same time. As long as the SFA
get the original delivered by post or hand all is ok.

[BSEJVT]

Mental,

22 pages of folk plucking figures out thin air and others plucking their own and disagreeing interspersed with others comparing the relevant merits of Brown & McGinn and their respective transfer values 10 years apart.

What I or anyone else thinks he is worth matters nought, neither does Brown's fee or who is the better Brown or McGinn

Players are assets (sometimes liabilities :-))

Whether McGinn is sold or not will depend on whether the value any club(s) bid for him and whether our board think:

a) it is of a reasonable level that wont be bettered in future

and/or

b) whether they can reinvest the money in the club to meet some of their wishes to take the club forward (indoor pitch) and / or in replacement player(s)

McGinn is right now our only saleable asset at any real value, I would be horrified if I thought we ran the risk of running his contract down and him leaving for nothing

Any bid that meets the above criteria would and should be accepted, but what that bid needs to be should be left in the hands of those qualified to make that decision dispassionately

[Stewboy]

Mental,

22 pages of folk plucking figures out thin air and others plucking their own and disagreeing interspersed with others comparing the relevant merits of Brown & McGinn and their respective transfer values 10 years apart.

What I or anyone else thinks he is worth matters nought, neither does Brown's fee or who is the better Brown or McGinn

Players are assets (sometimes liabilities :-))

Whether McGinn is sold or not will depend on whether the value any club(s) bid for him and whether our board think:

a) it is of a reasonable level that wont be bettered in future

and/or

b) whether they can reinvest the money in the club to meet some of their wishes to take the club forward (indoor pitch) and / or in replacement player(s)

McGinn is right now our only saleable asset at any real value, I would be horrified if I thought we ran the risk of running his contract down and him leaving for nothing

Any bid that meets the above criteria would and should be accepted, but what that bid needs to be should be left in the hands of those qualified to make that decision dispassionately

Not entirely on the contract down part. If Hibs realistically believe they can get 1.5m today or keep him for 2 years then they must believe that letting him run his contract down, he will help bring in revenue from a higher league finish over next 2 years (and cup runs).

That I suppose is why we employee counters of the bean

[scoopyboy]

E-mail contract to SJM, sign and scan contract then email back with originals in the post to SFA.

Deal done,
Eazy Peazy..!



I email my football clients contracts all the time as player and club secretary/lawyer cannot always be at the same place at the same time. As long as the SFA
get the original delivered by post or hand all is ok.

How do you handle medicals?

I wouldn't be wanting Hibs to sign a player on the strength of a back street surgery in Lithuania.

[Paisley Hibby]

Mental,

22 pages of folk plucking figures out thin air and others plucking their own and disagreeing interspersed with others comparing the relevant merits of Brown & McGinn and their respective transfer values 10 years apart.

What I or anyone else thinks he is worth matters nought, neither does Brown's fee or who is the better Brown or McGinn

Players are assets (sometimes liabilities :-))

Whether McGinn is sold or not will depend on whether the value any club(s) bid for him and whether our board think:

a) it is of a reasonable level that wont be bettered in future

and/or

b) whether they can reinvest the money in the club to meet some of their wishes to take the club forward (indoor pitch) and / or in replacement player(s)

McGinn is right now our only saleable asset at any real value, I would be horrified if I thought we ran the risk of running his contract down and him leaving for nothing

Any bid that meets the above criteria would and should be accepted, but what that bid needs to be should be left in the hands of those qualified to make that decision dispassionately

I think we all know that but what would Hibs.net be without wild rumours and speculation? Get your sensible head off and join in!

[scoopyboy]

Oxlade chamberlain just done his Liverpool medical at England's training camp.


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Which is reputable and well known with both buying and selling clubs.

Notts Forest would have to get it done in Lithuania, can they trust any organisation to do it?

[Stewboy]

Which is reputable and well known with both buying and selling clubs.

Notts Forest would have to get it done in Lithuania, can they trust any organisation to do it?

Sure they could trust the Scottish team doctor, no?

[scoopyboy]

Sure they could trust the Scottish team doctor, no?

Say a Scottish team doctor gave SJM a clean bill of health when he actually had a really dodgy knee.

Could Forest sue said doctor?

He would have to carry out it in an area that possibly wouldn't have all the equipment he would normally use.

[MacGruber]

Is he away?
4th Forest bid of 3 mill or is that bollocks?

[Stewboy]

Say a Scottish team doctor gave SJM a clean bill of health when he actually had a really dodgy knee.

Could Forest sue said doctor?

He would have to carry out it in an area that possibly wouldn't have all the equipment he would normally use.

Sure he would have a code of conduct to follow for such things, plus if he did that his reputation in the game would be ruined I would imagine.

Anyhow, if NF wanted to push this through then not having all the correct equipment would be a risk that they feel is worth taking. Same with any club

[bingo70]

Say a Scottish team doctor gave SJM a clean bill of health when he actually had a really dodgy knee.

Could Forest sue said doctor?

He would have to carry out it in an area that possibly wouldn't have all the equipment he would normally use.

I'd assume it's not likely to be a problem or Forest wouldn't be bidding for him. Likewise nearly all players away on international duty wouldn't be able to be transferred?

Don't know what the answer is BTW as I agree with you, I just assume there must be a solution.

[Springbank]

Mental,

22 pages of folk plucking figures out thin air and others plucking their own and disagreeing interspersed with others comparing the relevant merits of Brown & McGinn and their respective transfer values 10 years apart.

What I or anyone else thinks he is worth matters nought, neither does Brown's fee or who is the better Brown or McGinn

Players are assets (sometimes liabilities :-))

Whether McGinn is sold or not will depend on whether the value any club(s) bid for him and whether our board think:

a) it is of a reasonable level that wont be bettered in future

and/or

b) whether they can reinvest the money in the club to meet some of their wishes to take the club forward (indoor pitch) and / or in replacement player(s)

McGinn is right now our only saleable asset at any real value, I would be horrified if I thought we ran the risk of running his contract down and him leaving for nothing

Any bid that meets the above criteria would and should be accepted, but what that bid needs to be should be left in the hands of those qualified to make that decision dispassionately

You're a year too soon.

That kind of talk is for summer 2018 when he's one year left

[BegbieHSC]

Hypothetical question: what would our thoughts be if Lawwell swoops in at the last minute with a £3m + Hendo deal?

[Callum_62]

Hypothetical question: what would our thoughts be if Lawwell swoops in at the last minute with a £3m + Hendo deal?

Id prefer that than a £2m + forest deal

[Hibbyradge]

Hypothetical question: what would our thoughts be if Lawwell swoops in at the last minute with a £3m + Hendo deal?

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[Captain Trips]

Mental,

22 pages of folk plucking figures out thin air and others plucking their own and disagreeing interspersed with others comparing the relevant merits of Brown & McGinn and their respective transfer values 10 years apart.

What I or anyone else thinks he is worth matters nought, neither does Brown's fee or who is the better Brown or McGinn

Players are assets (sometimes liabilities :-))

Whether McGinn is sold or not will depend on whether the value any club(s) bid for him and whether our board think:

a) it is of a reasonable level that wont be bettered in future

and/or

b) whether they can reinvest the money in the club to meet some of their wishes to take the club forward (indoor pitch) and / or in replacement player(s)

McGinn is right now our only saleable asset at any real value, I would be horrified if I thought we ran the risk of running his contract down and him leaving for nothing

Any bid that meets the above criteria would and should be accepted, but what that bid needs to be should be left in the hands of those qualified to make that decision dispassionately

There was me thinking it was a forum to discuss such things with as in many things totally hypothetical.

[BSEJVT]

You're a year too soon.

That kind of talk is for summer 2018 when he's one year left

And his value has fallen as the ball is even more in the buyers court as it is **** or bust for us then?

or his head has been turned by these bids and his performances aren't as good?

IMO nothing SJM does on the pitch this year other than masterful international performances will inflate his value, foreign clubs just don't value our league enough to say that his value has doubled by playing a season of SPL

I have my doubts as to the masterful international performances bit as well as he wont be a first pick for Scotland.

I would take the money and reinvest it providing there is decent money on offer

Its for the board to determine what is decent but this situation is replicated up and down the country every transfer window

The great pity is that we are talking about relative peanuts compared to what an SJM playing in the English Championship would be worth.

[Stewboy]

Hypothetical question: what would our thoughts be if Lawwell swoops in at the last minute with a £3m + Hendo deal?

Deal. Celtic aren't a competitor in sorts to us on league position so we aren't aiding the competition, we are getting £3m plus a player who wants to be here and did well here.

[madjock9]

E-mail contract to SJM, sign and scan contract then email back with originals in the post to SFA.

Deal done,
Eazy Peazy..!



I email my football clients contracts all the time as player and club secretary/lawyer cannot always be at the same place at the same time. As long as the SFA
get the original delivered by post or hand all is ok.

Best thing is the system you can be anywhere and full workflow so can include anyone in a copy with full audit trail of date and time stamps so no dispute about signing before the time/date as long as you have a mobile and connection it is so simple and you even know who has viewed/signed and still to sign dont get that with email!

[Callyballybe]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N-e8gkYaipI/UA8iCHieFZI/AAAAAAAAERg/aYrd1Z1knPs/s1600/wake-up-and-bite-that-hand.gif

100% this!

[GreenOnions]

I really hope John stays with us. Fingers crossed anyway.

I also can't see Celtic being keen to add to their midfield at this moment. Maybe next year they might be but I don't see them trying to get John just now - especially with Scott Brown now looking like he's still got at least another year at that level.

So - it would only be English clubs in the running this window IMHO.

[OxoHibby]

Not entirely on the contract down part. If Hibs realistically believe they can get 1.5m today or keep him for 2 years then they must believe that letting him run his contract down, he will help bring in revenue from a higher league finish over next 2 years (and cup runs).

That I suppose is why we employee counters of the bean

Bean counters don't work on thus. They can't value sjm contributions to the team with any accuracy. Hibs keep him simple as that. Him not going isn't going to break the club but him staying could make a difference to the next 2 seasons

[MKHIBEE]

Hibs keep SJM, he signs a longer contract and Hibs agree to listen to offers for him in the next window with a view to him leaving. Sorted.

[brog]

Mental,

22 pages of folk plucking figures out thin air and others plucking their own and disagreeing interspersed with others comparing the relevant merits of Brown & McGinn and their respective transfer values 10 years apart.

What I or anyone else thinks he is worth matters nought, neither does Brown's fee or who is the better Brown or McGinn

Players are assets (sometimes liabilities :-))

Whether McGinn is sold or not will depend on whether the value any club(s) bid for him and whether our board think:

a) it is of a reasonable level that wont be bettered in future

and/or

b) whether they can reinvest the money in the club to meet some of their wishes to take the club forward (indoor pitch) and / or in replacement player(s)

McGinn is right now our only saleable asset at any real value, I would be horrified if I thought we ran the risk of running his contract down and him leaving for nothing

Any bid that meets the above criteria would and should be accepted, but what that bid needs to be should be left in the hands of those qualified to make that decision dispassionately

What is mental IMO is worrying about someone running his contract down when he has nearly 2 years to go. We've often signed people on 2 year contracts & i guess most people on here would be ecstatic if we did that with Moult or Liam. There's only one question to answer & that is , is any possible depletion in SJM's value from now to next summer offset by his potentisl contribution to us this season. If the answer is yes then it"s a no brainer to knock back any bids at this time

[Jim44]

Deal. Celtic aren't a competitor in sorts to us on league position so we aren't aiding the competition, we are getting £3m plus a player who wants to be here and did well here.

Remember we only get 70% of any cash.

[RoxburghHibs]

Remember we only get 70% of any cash.

Really! Is that because St Mirren have a sell-on clause?

[ancient hibee]

And his value has fallen as the ball is even more in the buyers court as it is **** or bust for us then?

or his head has been turned by these bids and his performances aren't as good?

IMO nothing SJM does on the pitch this year other than masterful international performances will inflate his value, foreign clubs just don't value our league enough to say that his value has doubled by playing a season of SPL

I have my doubts as to the masterful international performances bit as well as he wont be a first pick for Scotland.

I would take the money and reinvest it providing there is decent money on offer

Its for the board to determine what is decent but this situation is replicated up and down the country every transfer window

The great pity is that we are talking about relative peanuts compared to what an SJM playing in the English Championship would be worth.
And yet it would seem that,if the media can be believed,that Dembele's value ha increased by about forty times after playing about half a season here.

[Springbank]

And his value has fallen as the ball is even more in the buyers court as it is **** or bust for us then?

or his head has been turned by these bids and his performances aren't as good?

IMO nothing SJM does on the pitch this year other than masterful international performances will inflate his value, foreign clubs just don't value our league enough to say that his value has doubled by playing a season of SPL

I have my doubts as to the masterful international performances bit as well as he wont be a first pick for Scotland.

I would take the money and reinvest it providing there is decent money on offer

Its for the board to determine what is decent but this situation is replicated up and down the country every transfer window

The great pity is that we are talking about relative peanuts compared to what an SJM playing in the English Championship would be worth.

Not for me.

It's a nice thought to think this well balanced young fellow has already won The cup with us, we have a season ahead watching him high tail it over the jambos, AND a year from now he will likely invite a big offer in any case

With sjm I've always send him as a Reverse Griffiths.

Leigh is openly a big Hibby temporarily enjoying life elsewhere but destined to come home some day.

Sjm's grandfather was celtic chairman iirc, he has huge credentials there, and is enjoying his football elsewhere (thankfully with us) til he gets a call from "his" team.

In both cases, the fans love them, knowing they didn't grow up as a fan of the club, but they totally "get" Hibs (in sjm case). And as he gives 100%, brings quality, and success, I'll love seeing him in the shirt until he gets a call "home" (as he would see it).

This year gives sjm the chance to showcase to Rogers that he can dominate midfield in this league.

[jacomo]

And his value has fallen as the ball is even more in the buyers court as it is **** or bust for us then?

or his head has been turned by these bids and his performances aren't as good?

IMO nothing SJM does on the pitch this year other than masterful international performances will inflate his value, foreign clubs just don't value our league enough to say that his value has doubled by playing a season of SPL

I have my doubts as to the masterful international performances bit as well as he wont be a first pick for Scotland.

I would take the money and reinvest it providing there is decent money on offer

Its for the board to determine what is decent but this situation is replicated up and down the country every transfer window

The great pity is that we are talking about relative peanuts compared to what an SJM playing in the English Championship would be worth.

Yes, we get it. You want to sell him.

[MWHIBBIES]

McGinn will be worth less next year regardless of how well he plays unless he signs a new contract. If he stays today he needs to sign a new deal

[BegbieHSC]

Gone a bit quiet re McGinn for the last few hours...should I be relieved or concerned??

[Roxyhibee]

Gone a bit quiet re McGinn for the last few hours...should I be relieved or concerned??

Well i'm very relieved so far. Would love if he would stay with us a bit longer.

[BSEJVT]

Yes, we get it. You want to sell him.

I actually don't want to sell him

But I certainly don't him to go for nothing or worth less than he is now in the future

If you can guarantee me that wont happen I will happily keep him forever

But you cant

Its called making a commercial decision

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

NL has already spoken about a new contract for SJM.

IF he stays beyond tonight, hopefully the new contract will be signed in the coming days

[emerald green]

According to EEN...Hibs are "bracing themselves" (WTF?) for a third bid from NF for John McGinn. :rolleyes:

[hfc rd]

According to EEN...Hibs are "bracing themselves" (WTF?) for a third bid from NF for John McGinn. :rolleyes:


Thought that 3rd bid was rejected earlier

£3M I think it was.

[Stuart93]

Think this ones dead, they won't match what we want for him.

[Wilson]

I actually don't want to sell him

But I certainly don't him to go for nothing or worth less than he is now in the future

If you can guarantee me that wont happen I will happily keep him forever

But you cant

Its called making a commercial decision

Right now football decisions should take precedence over commercial. While we are struggling against the likes of Hamilton and Dundee we might be better advised keeping our star players.

Ensuring a successful return to the top flight is better for the club in the long run than the meagre compensation we will get from the likes of Nottingham Forest.

[Iain G]

According to EEN...Hibs are "bracing themselves" (WTF?) for a third bid from NF for John McGinn. :rolleyes:

It means they are getting ready to laugh their socks off when they offer an extra £500 and some Robin of Sherwood DVD's....

[Borderhibbie76]

According to EEN...Hibs are "bracing themselves" (WTF?) for a third bid from NF for John McGinn. :rolleyes:They r too busy creaming themselves over Hearts signing 2 nobodies [emoji23]

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[emerald green]

Thought that 3rd bid was rejected earlier

£3M I think it was.

You might be right hfc. I just posted what I saw on EEN site. It was the "bracing" bit in the article that made me laugh though.

[Hibbyradge]

Thought that 3rd bid was rejected earlier

£3M I think it was.

Unfortunately, that's not true.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

McGinn will be worth less next year regardless of how well he plays unless he signs a new contract. If he stays today he needs to sign a new deal

Why? Id happily take less next year and keep him this year. Weve had many years of prioritising off field issues, now i want us to prioritise having good players and a good team.

[SRHibs]

According to EEN...Hibs are "bracing themselves" (WTF?) for a third bid from NF for John McGinn. :rolleyes:

Don't think it's that bad an expression. It's like waves of a storm we are trying to hold firm against. So far we've been fine but the next wave could breach the walls.

[JeMeSouviens]

McGinn bid accepted, subject to medical!

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/903280078519496704











Not heavy, it's his brother. :wink:

[hibs#1]

According to EEN...Hibs are "bracing themselves" (WTF?) for a third bid from NF for John McGinn. :rolleyes:

Can just imagine Lennon,Leanne and Petrie putting seatbelts on,sitting round the boardtable when the fax machine goes "BRACE YOURSELVES".

[Posh Hibby]

Had me hook line and sinker.....:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

McGinn bid accepted, subject to medical!

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/903280078519496704











Not heavy, it's his brother. :wink:

:grr: :fuming: :furious: :rules: :slipper:

[hibs#1]

McGinn bid accepted, subject to medical!

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/903280078519496704












Not heavy, it's his brother. :wink:

Naughty 😂😂

[Sean1875]

McGinn bid accepted, subject to medical!

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/903280078519496704











Not heavy, it's his brother. :wink:

Don't do that to me :grr: :panic:

[brog]

McGinn will be worth less next year regardless of how well he plays unless he signs a new contract. If he stays today he needs to sign a new deal

That's just not true. If we had a great season & John became a Scotland regulsr his value would increase regardless of the length of his contract. We're seeing in Engerlund right now that being in last year of your contract
Is no impediment to top dollar being paid.

[SquashedFrogg]

McGinn will be worth less next year regardless of how well he plays unless he signs a new contract. If he stays today he needs to sign a new deal

Garbage. If multiple clubs (bigger than NF) came in a year from now he could quite easy be worth more.

[JeMeSouviens]

Sorry all - I hate that kind of pish as well. :embarrass:offski:

[we are hibs]

NL has already spoken about a new contract for SJM.

IF he stays beyond tonight, hopefully the new contract will be signed in the coming days


It it makes sense for him to sign a new deal if he is staying and a similar situation as Cummings happening where we say "stay for a year and we will let you go next summer". He can move on to far bigger things than Nottingham forest.

[JimboHibs]

McGinn will be worth less next year regardless of how well he plays unless he signs a new contract. If he stays today he needs to sign a new deal

No he doesn't.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

It it makes sense for him to sign a new deal if he is staying and a similar situation as Cummings happening where we say "stay for a year and we will let you go next summer". He can move on to far bigger things than Nottingham forest.

Yeah exactly. I just hope we don't say "you can leave if we receive x amount"

Bidding war next summer with 3 years of a contract left, please

[Stuart93]

Kenny millar expecting mcginn to stay but no Henderson delivered

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Kenny millar expecting mcginn to stay but no Henderson delivered

Ying and yang

[Roxyhibee]

Why? Id happily take less next year and keep him this year. Weve had many years of prioritising off field issues, now i want us to prioritise having good players and a good team.

This is where i am - a frequently long suffering fan who has seen quality leave far too soon far too many times just when we were getting somewhere.

SJM may not be quite firing on all cylinders just now but as one of the best midfielders in the SPL he will still give us something special, in particular, big games against teams who don't have his quality.

Not interested in sums of money right now - want to see him run out in a Hibs strip as long as possible - especially this season with all it's excellent opportunities..

[SirDavidsNapper]

Just saw McGinn has signed for Partick Thistle 😉

[Iain G]

Kenny millar expecting mcginn to stay but no Henderson delivered

Where did you read that?

[Jim44]

Kenny millar expecting mcginn to stay but no Henderson delivered

Good news on McGinn but I can't see Henderson kicking his heels at Parkhead for another season, so must be off somewhere else.

[Heisenberg]

Where did you read that?

That's not exactly what Millar said. He just said he's not 100% convinced Henderson will sign. All he knows is we are interested and moves have been made to make it happen.

[Stuart93]

That's not exactly what Millar said. He just said he's not 100% convinced Henderson will sign. All he knows is we are interested and moves have been made to make it happen.

He said "I think mcginn will stay"

[Gregor]

Conjecture here ; Hibs have no interest whatsoever in selling SJM. His agent however is keen to get a better deal for him, and thus the Breadman has been duped into making ever increasing bids to test the water and value of our player so his agent can pop along to ER and negotiate a new contract.

It's possible - given we're now back in the top flight, and we've been making some pretty big splashes in the transfer market of recent - that the salary cap at ER has increased, and there's scope to bump his salary ; of course he needs provide something in return.

So ... how do we feel about SJM signing a three year deal extension at Hibs over the next coming weeks?

[Billy Whizz]

Conjecture here ; Hibs have no interest whatsoever in selling SJM. His agent however is keen to get a better deal for him, and thus the Breadman has been duped into making ever increasing bids to test the water and value of our player so his agent can pop along to ER and negotiate a new contract.

It's possible - given we're now back in the top flight, and we've been making some pretty big splashes in the transfer market of recent - that the salary cap at ER has increased, and there's scope to bump his salary ; of course he needs provide something in return.

So ... how do we feel about SJM signing a three year deal extension at Hibs over the next coming weeks?

Who's McGinn's agent

[LancsHibs]

Conjecture here ; Hibs have no interest whatsoever in selling SJM. His agent however is keen to get a better deal for him, and thus the Breadman has been duped into making ever increasing bids to test the water and value of our player so his agent can pop along to ER and negotiate a new contract.

It's possible - given we're now back in the top flight, and we've been making some pretty big splashes in the transfer market of recent - that the salary cap at ER has increased, and there's scope to bump his salary ; of course he needs provide something in return.

So ... how do we feel about SJM signing a three year deal extension at Hibs over the next coming weeks?

That's the ideal scenario for the club. Sell next summer for big money and not on the last day!!

[Gregor]

That's the ideal scenario for the club. Sell next summer for big money and not on the last day!!

There's also this quote from Len after the Dundee game:

“We’re in negotiation to renew his contract, if we can – we’ve spoken tentatively to his agent and the players himself. So it’s just a waiting game.
“It is early days. We’ve made soundbites and it is in the early process. He hasn’t knocked back anything. His agent is not saying ‘no’. They are open to it, so we will see how it goes.”


which leads me to believe that contractual pushing of buttons and fiddling with knobs is afoot and I can confidently state, "John McGinn to Forest? Aye, yir maw."

[Stuart93]

Esta tarde, el Hibernian ha rechazado una oferta por John McGinn de £1m procedente del Nottingham Forest de Warburton. 💰❌ #DeadlineDay

Anyone?

[emerald green]

John McGinn will not sign for Nottingham Forest. He will sign for Celtic in due course, but not in this window. You heard it here first folks...

[nonshinyfinish]

Esta tarde, el Hibernian ha rechazado una oferta por John McGinn de £1m procedente del Nottingham Forest de Warburton. 💰❌ #DeadlineDay

Anyone?

Just says we rejected a £1m offer this afternoon.

[Jim44]

Esta tarde, el Hibernian ha rechazado una oferta por John McGinn de £1m procedente del Nottingham Forest de Warburton. 💰❌ #DeadlineDay

Anyone?

Must have been a long siesta, senor.

[jonny]

Just been on SSN that a 3rd bid has been rejected and that it's now highly likely McGinn will remain at Hibs. No note of how much the 3rd bid was though.

[Firestarter]

John McGinn will not sign for Nottingham Forest. He will sign for Celtic in due course, but not in this window. You heard it here first folks...

His ambitions lie in England or abroad

[Firestarter]

Just been on SSN that a 3rd bid has been rejected and that it's now highly likely McGinn will remain at Hibs. No nite of how much the 3rd bid was though.


Delighted, get Fanny hat to buggery.

[emerald green]

His ambitions lie in England or abroad

When did John tell you that?

[jacomo]

I actually don't want to sell him

But I certainly don't him to go for nothing or worth less than he is now in the future

If you can guarantee me that wont happen I will happily keep him forever

But you cant

Its called making a commercial decision


What's with the condescending rubbish?

I guarantee we'll get more money for him next summer. There, happy now?

[inglisavhibs]

His ambitions lie in England or abroad

Where did you get that from?

[Alan62]

When did it become received wisdom that John McGinn isn't playing so well these days? He's looked stronger, fitter and more able since pre-season. His range of passing has massively improved. Sure, he still makes a few mistakes but every player makes mistakes. We're lucky to have him and I hope we resist anything other than crazy money and allow him to continue his development at Easter Road.

[inglisavhibs]

When did it become received wisdom that John McGinn isn't playing so well these days. He's looked stronger, fitter and more able since pre-season. His range of passing has massively improved. Sure, he still makes a few mistakes but every player makes mistakes. We're lucky to have him and I hope we resist anything other than crazy money and allow him to continue his development at Easter Road.

Agreed on all fronts

[Stuart93]

When did it become received wisdom that John McGinn isn't playing so well these days. He's looked stronger, fitter and more able since pre-season. His range of passing has massively improved. Sure, he still makes a few mistakes but every player makes mistakes. We're lucky to have him and I hope we resist anything other than crazy money and allow him to continue his development at Easter Road.

He's a quality absolutely no doubt about that however hasn't been head and shoulders above the rest in the first four games which, from a player rated so highly, you'd expect

[Thecat23]

When did it become received wisdom that John McGinn isn't playing so well these days. He's looked stronger, fitter and more able since pre-season. His range of passing has massively improved. Sure, he still makes a few mistakes but every player makes mistakes. We're lucky to have him and I hope we resist anything other than crazy money and allow him to continue his development at Easter Road.

Well said.

[Alan62]

He's a quality absolutely no doubt about that however hasn't been head and shoulders above the rest in the first four games which, from a player rated so highly, you'd expect

Hasn't been head and shoulders above the rest because we've improved the quality of the squad. Still a key player and one who continues to improve. He's 22.

[SquashedFrogg]

His ambitions lie in England or abroad

Is England not abroad? :dunno:

[BSEJVT]

What's with the condescending rubbish?

I guarantee we'll get more money for him next summer. There, happy now?

What's condescending about that it's a statement of fact and why the anger ?

You have your view I have mine it's called debate

Why make a worthless comment like you guarantee he will be worth more,no one in the world can give that guarantee

It just makes you look stupid / more stupid

[Michael]

Is England not abroad? :dunno:

Eh, no!

[RoxburghHibs]

Eh, no!

It's another country so technically it is.

[Smartie]

McGinn hasn't played as well as he can over the past 2 games.

He was absolutely immense all the way through pre-season and in our first 2 league games.

Over the piece I think he's looking fitter and better than he ever has and I think he's going to have a superb season for us.

A few strong performances in a few big games and he may well establish himself in the Scotland team and get a stonking fee for us and a great move for him next summer.



He gave the Sunderland midfield (including some big fee players) the runaround just a month or so ago.

[SquashedFrogg]

Eh, no!

Ok, for years I thought it was a foreign country. Silly me.

[SquashedFrogg]

It's another country so technically it is.

Thank you Roxburgh

[SRHibs]

It's another country so technically it is.

It's part of the UK so that's debatable. Also, does abroad not generally mean overseas?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is this saga now at an end then? Has 'magic hat'/dunce cap backed away?

[GordonHFC]

It's part of the UK so that's debatable. Also, does abroad not generally mean overseas?

Just means to another country.

[james62]

It's part of the UK so that's debatable. Also, does abroad not generally mean overseas?

In footballing terms it's a different country

[Michael]

It's another country so technically it is.

I don't know about you, but I don't have a Scottish passport.

[SquashedFrogg]

It's part of the UK so that's debatable. Also, does abroad not generally mean overseas?

My understanding is that abroad is a different country. i.e. England, and that overseas means, a different country, erm, over the sea.

Anyway, let's hope SJM goes nowhere and Hendo returns 👍

[Keith_M]

It's another country so technically it is.


Have you ever had to show your Passport at the Border?

[SquashedFrogg]

I don't know about you, but I don't have a Scottish passport.

What!!?? Man you need to get that sorted pronto! 😉

[huggie1875]

It's part of the UK so that's debatable. Also, does abroad not generally mean overseas?


I thought abroad was something a gangster pumps :wink:

[RoxburghHibs]

I don't know about you, but I don't have a Scottish passport.

That's just a travel document but I would like a Scottish passport (hopefully one day).

Are you saying Scotland is not a country?

[SquashedFrogg]

Have you ever had to show your Passport at the Border?

Nope, but I know England is a different country. We played throat football not so long ago 😁

[SRHibs]

It's a nice change having a foreign manager from abroad in charge of us.

[RoxburghHibs]

Have you ever had to show your Passport at the Border?

No nor did I when I went to Ireland.

[Lee Marvin]

Pathetic arguement going on but if this is the chat on the thread, it can only be good news for us!!

[Ozyhibby]

When did it become received wisdom that John McGinn isn't playing so well these days? He's looked stronger, fitter and more able since pre-season. His range of passing has massively improved. Sure, he still makes a few mistakes but every player makes mistakes. We're lucky to have him and I hope we resist anything other than crazy money and allow him to continue his development at Easter Road.

That's been confusing me as well. I thought he was great against Dundee but he seemed to be getting slagged off on here?


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[CropleyWasGod]

Nope, but I know England is a different country. We played throat football not so long ago [emoji16]Throat football?

Is that when you play it deep?

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[Last Minute]

McGinn will be a Hibs player tomorrow. He is going nowhere . Fact


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[jabis]

Throat football?

Is that when you play it deep?

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Was hoping that he came back and said"them at,not throat.Bloody spellchecker."

Guess it was a hard one to swallow!

[Hibernia&Alba]

McGinn will be a Hibs player tomorrow. He is going nowhere . Fact


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Looks that way :aok:

[SquashedFrogg]

Pathetic arguement going on but if this is the chat on the thread, it can only be good news for us!!

I'd like to think of it as a heated discussion. But I agree, no news is good news! Fish pun anyone?

[RoxburghHibs]

I'd like to think of it as a heated discussion. But I agree, no news is good news! Fish pun anyone?


Oh no! :wink:

[MyJo]

It's a nice change having a foreign manager from abroad in charge of us.

Not really given that our last 4 managers have come from "abroad" :wink:

[SquashedFrogg]

Oh no! :wink:

I'm not stupid or brave enough 😱

[Borderhibbie76]

According to Twitter and Nottingham Post another bid is coming?? Surely we don't sell at this late stage

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[WillowbraeHibby]

According to Twitter and Nottingham Post another bid is coming?? Surely we don't sell at this late stage

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Window open until 11pm in England, midnight in Scotland.. I think?.. Appears NF are very keen on him?

[bingo70]

According to Twitter and Nottingham Post another bid is coming?? Surely we don't sell at this late stage

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Twitter isn't a source, who's twitter feed was it?