Interesting and honest words from Neil Lennon

[emerald green]

Especially the bit about complacency among (some?) of the Hibs players. Link below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40988712

[B.H.F.C]

The fact that he had a 'wee felling' something like that might happen, but still allowed it to happen, doesn't reflect particularly well IMO. I thought Lennon would rid us of that type of thing.

[emerald green]

The fact that he had a 'wee felling' something like that might happen, but still allowed it to happen, doesn't reflect particularly well IMO. I thought Lennon would rid us of that type of thing.

It's a sign of a good manager that he is open and honest enough to say he'll learn from that.

[Heisenberg]

Did Lennon miss any of the training when he was doing TV work during the week?

[Keith_M]

Is it possible some people's thoughts were still on Ibrox and not on the upcoming home game?

[ancient hibee]

The main failures of this team last season was when they couldn't deal with the expectation of winning.Hopefully this will improve this season after displaying the same fault yesterday.

[emerald green]

Did Lennon miss any of the training when he was doing TV work during the week?

I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Perhaps that the players weren't working hard in training the minute Lennon's back was turned? If so, that's ludicrous. Neil does have assistants.

If I've misinterpreted your post, apologies in advance.

[JimboHibs]

Did Lennon miss any of the training when he was doing TV work during the week?

Yip jumpers for goal posts,Tam McCourt took the training.

[lord bunberry]

I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Perhaps that the players weren't working hard in training the minute Lennon's back was turned? If so, that's ludicrous. Neil does have assistants.

If I've misinterpreted your post, apologies in advance.
I don't think that's is what he's suggesting. I think he's suggesting that maybe if Lennon had been here instead of being in Ireland there might have been more he could've done. I've no idea how true that is as I've no idea how long he was over in Ireland for.

[dp00]

If Lennon missed training due to being in Ireland for media work then leeann needs to have a word . His focus should be 100% hibs


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[emerald green]

I don't think that's is what he's suggesting. I think he's suggesting that maybe if Lennon had been here instead of being in Ireland there might have been more he could've done. I've no idea how true that is as I've no idea how long he was over in Ireland for.

You might be right. Heisenberg will maybe come back on and clear things up?

[B.H.F.C]

The fact that he had a 'wee felling' something like that might happen, but still allowed it to happen, doesn't reflect particularly well IMO. I thought Lennon would rid us of that type of thing.

Easy to talk about it. Sorting it would be the sign of a good manager though. It's not as if it's something new, he spoke about this type of thing last year as well.

I'm a fan of Lennon and thought, with the additions he's made, he'd have got rid of that type of performance. We won't always play well, I get that. But the attitude and application yesterday was a joke.

[Hfcwilson3192]

If Lennon missed training due to being in Ireland for media work then leeann needs to have a word . His focus should be 100% hibs


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk managers miss training aw the time mate they aren't there 5 days a week.

[Heisenberg]

I don't think that's is what he's suggesting. I think he's suggesting that maybe if Lennon had been here instead of being in Ireland there might have been more he could've done. I've no idea how true that is as I've no idea how long he was over in Ireland for.

Yes that's what I was aiming at. As you say though, no idea how long he was there for. He himself did say he wasn't his usual self with the players and wasn't "on" them as much as he usually is during the week.

[matty_f]

If Lennon missed training due to being in Ireland for media work then leeann needs to have a word . His focus should be 100% hibs


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He could easily have been in Ireland after training and back for training the next day. Not sure if that's the case but it's possible to do both.

[Pete]

I heard another interview where he say he "hasn't been himself"...and he isn't as angry as I'd expect him to be.

A bout of depression perhaps? :dunno:

[hibee_girl]

He was Salmond's mystery guest today at the Fringe

https://twitter.com/AlexUnleashed17/status/899255611266879488

[emerald green]

Yes that's what I was aiming at. As you say though, no idea how long he was there for. He himself did say he wasn't his usual self with the players and wasn't "on" them as much as he usually is during the week.

OK thanks for your clarification.

I maintain though that even if NL did miss some training, that in itself should never result in an overall team performance like yesterday surely?

As another poster has pointed out, it's not entirely unusual for head coaches to miss some training sessions.

[Johnny Clash]

I heard another interview where he say he "hasn't been himself"...and he isn't as angry as I'd expect him to be.

A bout of depression perhaps? :dunno:

Having wallopers threaten your life must be pretty hard to deal with. Puts a strain on family stuff too. I'm sure the support he gets allows Lenny to deal with issues better however he showed plenty of passion during the game - at one stage throwing his water bottle down in frustration. Having said that he also had the maturity to congratulate Hamilton on the way they executed their third goal. Martin Canning's team did very well and they'll take points off a few other teams before the season is out.

[21.05.2016]

Thought his post-match interview was pretty fair. Made no excuses, rightly acknowledged we were well below par and gave Hamilton their due credit. I like how he doesn't sugarcoat things and make excuses, doing that does nobody any favours and it ends up becoming cringeworthy. The likes of Houston have become notorious and become figures of ridicule with there post-defeat interviews never crediting the opposition and constantly coming out with excuses and someone else to blame. We laugh at it but if I was a Falkirk fan I would be cringing at having to listen to that all the time.

[21.05.2016]

I heard another interview where he say he "hasn't been himself"...and he isn't as angry as I'd expect him to be.

A bout of depression perhaps? :dunno:

Was thinking the same actually. Hopefully not but if thats the case then i'm sure the club will offer him any support he needs.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I heard another interview where he say he "hasn't been himself"...and he isn't as angry as I'd expect him to be.

A bout of depression perhaps? :dunno:

Possibly. I'd imagine the build up, the game itself and all of what happened post game last week would wilt even the mentally strongest of people.

As has been said I'm sure the club are offering the best of care, IF anything has flared

[Hi Heid Yin]

I love Neil Lennon's honesty and telling it how it is. This man is a born winner and he will have us fighting for 2nd spot as the season progresses.
We have a superb squad, possibly the strongest since The Tornadoes.
I do recall The Tornadoes having their off days too, not often, but enough to inform me that no matter how good your team is on paper, getting the basics right such as winning individual battles is crucial.
Hamilton won practically every individual battle in that 2nd half and this will not happen too often this season.
A harsh lesson and a good one to boot.

[Super_JMcGinn]

I love Neil Lennon's honesty and telling it how it is. This man is a born winner and he will have us fighting for 2nd spot as the season progresses.
We have a superb squad, possibly the strongest since The Tornadoes.
I do recall The Tornadoes having their off days too, not often, but enough to inform me that no matter how good your team is on paper, getting the basics right such as winning individual battles is crucial.
Hamilton won practically every individual battle in that 2nd half and this will not happen too often this season.
A harsh lesson and a good one to boot.

I wish I had a pound for every time I've seen the Lennon is a winner hype.

He got the team selection badly wrong on Saturday and should have come out and said so.

He rightly got the plaudits for the win at Ibrox he should take the flak for that shambles on Saturday.

[euro Hibby]

He could have least said that " we were great in training " or maybe that will be this week ....

[hughio]

I wish I had a pound for every time I've seen the Lennon is a winner hype.

He got the team selection badly wrong on Saturday and should have come out and said so.

He rightly got the plaudits for the win at Ibrox he should take the flak for that shambles on Saturday.

What should have been the team then?

Isnt it easy to be wise after the event?

I thought it looked fine on paper.
They just didn't perform.

[Albanian Hibs]

What should have been the team then?

Isnt it easy to be wise after the event?

I thought it looked fine on paper.
They just didn't perform.

Slivka should have started.

[SaulGoodman]

Slivka should have started.

Agreed but dropping one player doesn't make the team selection appear badly wrong.

The players weren't interested, looks like they let the hype get to their head and thought that all they had to do was show up and collect the 3 points. I've seen us play bad and lose but that was the least effort I've seen out of a Hibs team since we got relegated.

It should be Lennons job to keep the players grounded and him being sucked in by the media and talking about Rangers all week even up to the Friday before the game instead of showing Hamilton respect and talking about them certainly wouldn't have helped.

[Borderhibbie76]

I love Neil Lennon's honesty and telling it how it is. This man is a born winner and he will have us fighting for 2nd spot as the season progresses.
We have a superb squad, possibly the strongest since The Tornadoes.
I do recall The Tornadoes having their off days too, not often, but enough to inform me that no matter how good your team is on paper, getting the basics right such as winning individual battles is crucial.
Hamilton won practically every individual battle in that 2nd half and this will not happen too often this season.
A harsh lesson and a good one to boot.Whilst not excusing the performance on Sat...it was woeful, we as fans also.need to educate ourselves and realise after 3 years in the Championship that results like Sat will happen from time to time in this league (hopefully not frequent). We've been used to winning most weeks for 3 years now but need to realise yes the squad is strong but we aren't Celtic and we won't go the season unbeaten. I find the over reaction on here from some to sat as way OTT and we need to deal with defeats and put them in perspective. A top 4 finish would be a tremendous achievement after 3 years downstairs...im sure we will fight for that too but there will be bumps in the road along the way...as a fan base we need to deal with that as well as the squad and the manager

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[SaulGoodman]

Whilst not excusing the performance on Sat...it was woeful, we as fans also.need to educate ourselves and realise after 3 years in the Championship that results like Sat will happen from time to time in this league (hopefully not frequent). We've been used to winning most weeks for 3 years now but need to realise yes the squad is strong but we aren't Celtic and we won't go the season unbeaten. I find the over reaction on here from some to sat as way OTT and we need to deal with defeats and put them in perspective. A top 4 finish would be a tremendous achievement after 3 years downstairs...im sure we will fight for that too but there will be bumps in the road along the way...as a fan base we need to deal with that as well as the squad and the manager

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Like I said above, I can deal with defeats. I can't deal with bending over and letting ****ing Hamilton with their 200 fans away support play us off the park at our own stadium.

[Borderhibbie76]

Like I said above, I can deal with defeats. I can't deal with bending over and letting ****ing Hamilton with their 200 fans away support play us off the park at our own stadium.What does their number of fans have to do with anything?? As I said we were woeful and got what we deserved but their number of fans has nowt to do with anything...we got spanked off alloa and Dumbarton several times in Championship in case u have forgotten and they didn't have many fans either...

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[Super_JMcGinn]

What should have been the team then?

Isnt it easy to be wise after the event?

I thought it looked fine on paper.
They just didn't perform.

I personally don't think we should EVER be playing with 3 CH's at home against the likes of Hamilton who are only ever going to have 1 up front.

If you're asking for the team I'd have picked I'd have went for

Rocky
Whittaker
Stevenson
Ambrose
McGregor
McGeough
McGnn
Slivka
Swanson
Murray
Stokes

[Baldy Foghorn]

I wish I had a pound for every time I've seen the Lennon is a winner hype.

He got the team selection badly wrong on Saturday and should have come out and said so.

He rightly got the plaudits for the win at Ibrox he should take the flak for that shambles on Saturday.

Team selection badly wrong? He made one change to the prior weeks team..

[Baldy Foghorn]

I personally don't think we should EVER be playing with 3 CH's at home against the likes of Hamilton who are only ever going to have 1 up front.

If you're asking for the team I'd have picked I'd have went for

Rocky
Whittaker
Stevenson
Ambrose
McGregor
McGeough
McGnn
Slivka
Swanson
Murray
Stokes

So you would have played Slivjka and dropped Hanlon, again one change from the team that started on Saturday....

[Sioux]

Slivka should have started.

Would that have turned a defeat into a win?

[Super_JMcGinn]

So you would have played Slivjka and dropped Hanlon, again one change from the team that started on Saturday....


Were you happy with starting with 3 CH's against Hamilton at home?

We were playing a 'different animal' the previous week, and that's a direct quote from Lenny himself.

[MWHIBBIES]

I personally don't think we should EVER be playing with 3 CH's at home against the likes of Hamilton who are only ever going to have 1 up front.

If you're asking for the team I'd have picked I'd have went for

Rocky
Whittaker
Stevenson
Ambrose
McGregor
McGeough
McGnn
Slivka
Swanson
Murray
Stokes

3 central defenders works better against 1 striker than 2. Part of the reason it is becoming globally popular is because everyone plays 1 forward now with 2/3 attacking midfielders/wingers in behind. It allows the wider center backs to step into midfield and pass the ball without any pressure on them. The problems come when teams push really high up and shut the defenders down like Hamilton did. Hamilton played well and our players didn't, it was nothing to do with the formation. Didn't we just score 6 against Arbraoth and 5 against Ayr playing with 3 defenders?

I really don't know how many times we need to win well and score goals for people to understand that 3 central defenders isn't more defensive than a back 4. It isn't the 90s anymore, 4-4-2 every week isn't going to work.

[Super_JMcGinn]

3 central defenders works better against 1 striker than 2. Part of the reason it is becoming globally popular is because everyone plays 1 forward now with 2/3 attacking midfielders/wingers in behind. It allows the wider center backs to step into midfield and pass the ball without any pressure on them. The problems come when teams push really high up and shut the defenders down like Hamilton did. Hamilton played well and our players didn't, it was nothing to do with the formation. Didn't we just score 6 against Arbraoth and 5 against Ayr playing with 3 defenders?

I really don't know how many times we need to win well and score goals for people to understand that 3 central defenders isn't more defensive than a back 4. It isn't the 90s anymore, 4-4-2 every week isn't going to work.

Well 352 didn't work that's for sure. I'm no coaching genius but playing 5 defenders as opposed to 4 at home is not for me.

Hamilton won't get an easier away game all season and that's shameful on our part.

[MWHIBBIES]

Well 352 didn't work that's for sure. I'm no coaching genius but playing 5 defenders as opposed to 4 at home is not for me.

Hamilton won't get an easier away game all season and that's shameful on our part.


Did the players all do what they were told and play the formation as Lennon wanted?
Maybe it was the execution that was wrong, not the idea?
Hibs played *****, it doesn't matter if you are playing 352, 442, 451, 4231 whatever, if you play poorly and the other team plays well, you will lose.

It isn't shameful, it is disappointing but we will learn more from that 2nd half than we have from all our victories so far. Shameful would be not learning from it.

[Springbank]

I personally don't think we should EVER be playing with 3 CH's at home against the likes of Hamilton who are only ever going to have 1 up front.

If you're asking for the team I'd have picked I'd have went for

Rocky
Whittaker
Stevenson
Ambrose
McGregor
McGeough
McGnn
Slivka
Swanson
Murray
Stokes

People saying "this is just one change from the actual team" miss the point about square pegs and round holes as it's the,shape change that counted.

Yes it's 1 personnel change but it would give us width. Stevenson is not cut out to be a wing back, hes a full back. We had precious little width and even when Barker came on he,was initially put in the no 10 position.

[Green-Hibee-7]

Like I said above, I can deal with defeats. I can't deal with bending over and letting ****ing Hamilton with their 200 fans away support play us off the park at our own stadium.

This.

Was the manner in the defeat more than anything. Formation wrong - yes. Players wrong - yes. But you would still expect with all thouse out there the performance could have been better than that. Woeful from minute one and just didn't feel right from the off.

[Is It On....]

I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Perhaps that the players weren't working hard in training the minute Lennon's back was turned? If so, that's ludicrous. Neil does have assistants.

If I've misinterpreted your post, apologies in advance.

I actually don't think it's right that a part time job can get in the way of the primary full time role (just like surgeons doing lucrative private work in addition to their NHS role). I suspect it is part of the contract negotiated by NL so I can't complain but it doesn't mean I agree with it.

[RIP]

It's the players job to perform to the best of their ability. So when normally reliable players like Hanlon mess up they have to shoulder the blame.

However if the team don't have the right formation, fighting spirit and mentality that's down to the manager.

[Albanian Hibs]

[QUOTE=Sioux;5149433]Would that have turned a defeat into a

Who knows???

[highland hibbee]

Like I said above, I can deal with defeats. I can't deal with bending over and letting ****ing Hamilton with their 200 fans away support play us off the park at our own stadium.


The same Hamilton who relegated us and kept their place in the top League fir the three seasons we were down.?
it annoys me too but unfortunately a wee reality check was bound to happen

[Baldy Foghorn]

Were you happy with starting with 3 CH's against Hamilton at home?

We were playing a 'different animal' the previous week, and that's a direct quote from Lenny himself.

I'd have been happy had we not played like novices

[CentreLine]

I just love the debates generated from people playing a computer game. Everyone seems to be an expert in formations and tactics these days.
Just one cautionary comment: It didn't work for Cathro. What looks pretty on a computer screen just might not work in real life.
Until computer games catch up with reality then I personally will be happy to see a genuine human being such as NL in charge of team selection.

GGTTH

[Mantis Toboggan]

I just love the debates generated from people playing a computer game. Everyone seems to be an expert in formations and tactics these days.
Just one cautionary comment: It didn't work for Cathro. What looks pretty on a computer screen just might not work in real life.
Until computer games catch up with reality then I personally will be happy to see a genuine human being such as NL in charge of team selection.

GGTTH

It's got nothing to do with computer games whatsoever.
And it is perfectly fair for supporters to challenge the tactics and approach of the team.

[steakbake]

I'd have been happy had we not played like novices

We looked like a team of strangers playing with hangovers.

Have 100% faith that Lennon will be on to it.

[MWHIBBIES]

It's got nothing to do with computer games whatsoever.
And it is perfectly fair for supporters to challenge the tactics and approach of the team.

Indeed, tactics existed before computers, nothing wrong with seeing the game as more than 22 guys and a ball.

[ekhibee]

Did the players all do what they were told and play the formation as Lennon wanted?
Maybe it was the execution that was wrong, not the idea?
Hibs played *****, it doesn't matter if you are playing 352, 442, 451, 4231 whatever, if you play poorly and the other team plays well, you will lose.

It isn't shameful, it is disappointing but we will learn more from that 2nd half than we have from all our victories so far. Shameful would be not learning from it.
Totally agree. We're only just starting out in the top league again, and we should learn from any losses along the way. I still have a minor doubt about us breaking down teams that play a defensive and counterattacking game such as Ross county, but there's still plenty of time to learn from that. The 2 teams we played before Hamilton are both basically more attack-minded and at times leave themselves open, which we exploited.

[pacoluna]

Well 352 didn't work that's for sure. I'm no coaching genius but playing 5 defenders as opposed to 4 at home is not for me.

Hamilton won't get an easier away game all season and that's shameful on our part.
Mr negative is back... Long time. Then again everything has been positive up until sat.

[heretoday]

It was a blip. Nothing more.

[bigwheel]

It was a blip. Nothing more.

Hope so - with 4 away games out of the next 5 league games - we will be tested that is for sure ...

[emerald green]

Hope so - with 4 away games out of the next 5 league games - we will be tested that is for sure ...

:agree: That includes a trip to Celtic Park. This is one of the reasons the defeat at home to Hamilton was so disappointing.

Hibs really need to take something from their home matches. If we're not going to win we must make sure we don't lose.

[007]

I'm not too concerned about 4 out of 5 games being away. Last season we got 36 points away and 35 at home. Based on the last 2 matches I can easily see us having a similar ratio this season.

[Greenworld]

Hope so - with 4 away games out of the next 5 league games - we will be tested that is for sure ...Ironically I think that hibs will play better away from home when teams won't sit in as much

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