Orange Walk

[21.05.2016]

I see our beautiful city was blighted by these cretins last week and this week Glasgow has the misfortune of hosting this bigotfest.


An utter embarrassment in this day and age and in a Nation that tries to pride itself on its modern, progressive and tolerant society. Brings out every knuckledragger and ****bag.


Freedom of speech and all that but I wish these idiots would come join us in the 21st centuary.

[ronaldo7]

I see our beautiful city was blighted by these cretins last week and this week Glasgow has the misfortune of hosting this bigotfest.


An utter embarrassment in this day and age and in a Nation that tries to pride itself on its modern, progressive and tolerant society. Brings out every knuckledragger and ****bag.


Freedom of speech and all that but I wish these idiots would come join us in the 21st centuary.

It's the same bunch of ****s who go round Scotland banging their drums and playing the flute. The Scottish councils should get together and have a list of all participants, and once they've marched in one town in Scotland, that should be their turn done.

They bus them in from all over the country to make it look and sound BIG.

They were in Prestonpans last week, and I'll wager that some of those lodges/bands are through in Glasgow today.

[calumhibee1]

Things like this should be banned purely for the disruption it causes. ********s.

[Colr]

I see our beautiful city was blighted by these cretins last week and this week Glasgow has the misfortune of hosting this bigotfest.


An utter embarrassment in this day and age and in a Nation that tries to pride itself on its modern, progressive and tolerant society. Brings out every knuckledragger and ****bag.


Freedom of speech and all that but I wish these idiots would come join us in the 21st centuary.

Certainly is something I don't miss about Scotland. Didn't get so much of it in Edinburgh or the West End of Glasgow but I lived for a couple of years at Paisley Road Toll and I would get them going past every ******' Saturday morning!!

[High-On-Hibs]

What I find really amusing (well not really....) is that these knuckle draggers are always talking down liberty and freedom of expression, while taking full advantage of it themselves. They're a stain on this land and just one of the uglier faces of British Unionism/Nationalism.

[Pretty Boy]

Disruptive, provocative erseholes.

Time for this pish to be consigned to the history books. If you want to excercise your religious freedoms then go to the Kirk on a Sunday like normal people do. Although it's probably unfair to force decent church attendees to deal with these roasters.

I say it every year but this is **** all to do with expressing freedom or, as one cretin explained to me, 'protesting the threat from the Stuart line posed by the rise of nationalism'. It's provocative, triumphalism in it's worst form. A sectarian organisation parading about the streets singing songs of hatred and we are expected to just accept it. **** them, bigoted twats.

[marinello59]

I had the 'pleasure' of working in an off-sales in Bridgeton, Glasgow many years ago on the 12th of July. The level of hatred being expressed was off the scale.
Their tunes are pretty jaunty though. :greengrin

[EH6 Hibby]

Disruptive, provocative erseholes.

Time for this pish to be consigned to the history books. If you want to excercise your religious freedoms then go to the Kirk on a Sunday like normal people do. Although it's probably unfair to force decent church attendees to deal with these roasters.

I say it every year but this is **** all to do with expressing freedom or, as one cretin explained to me, 'protesting the threat from the Stuart line posed by the rise of nationalism'. It's provocative, triumphalism in it's worst form. A sectarian organisation parading about the streets singing songs of hatred and we are expected to just accept it. **** them, bigoted twats.

I'd be prepared to wager at least 75% of them don't go to church regularly.

[High-On-Hibs]

I'd be prepared to wager at least 75% of them don't go to church regularly.

I'd bet evens at 95%.

[Mr White]

I'd be prepared to wager at least 75% of them don't go to church regularly.

The other 25% will be delighted to tell you you're going to spend eternity in hell you sinful gambler :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's triumphalism of course, and has nothing to do with Christianity. The drunken followers of the parades are expressing tribal feelings, often in an unpleasant way. The vast majority of churchgoing Protestants have no interest in the Orange Order, which is as political as it is religious. The irony is their politics proclaims their British identity, yet the Order is celebrating the overthrow of a British monarch by a Dutch one on religious grounds. It's all a bit odd. I wouldn't ban them; in a free society they are allowed to march for their beliefs, as are all other groups, provided they don't incite violence. The hypocrisy appears when the same people call for Republican parades to be banned.

[heretoday]

I'd be prepared to wager at least 75% of them don't go to church regularly.

Weddings and funerals - like the rest of us.

[snooky]

If ever you need evidence that brainwashing works ......

[High-On-Hibs]

If ever you need evidence that brainwashing works ......

We're all brainwashed. Everything we think or think we know is influenced by other things, otherwise our minds would be completely empty. :wink:

[snooky]

We're all brainwashed. Everything we think or think we know is influenced by other things, otherwise our minds would be completely empty. :wink:

I agree up to a point however, I think I have enough intelligence to see past the mentality of today's Walking community.

[21.05.2016]

I'd bet evens at 95%.

Exactly. Many probably don't even know what most of it means, just want to join in because they support Rangers and see it as a way of hating celtic and winding up celtic fans even more (believe me there really are people like this!). I had the great misfortune of walking down the street in museleburgh a couple years back when they were having this and it was just a sea of hun tops.

Imagine encouraging your children along as well. Breeding more hate and intolerance and encouraging the next generation of bigots. This bull**** should have been left behind years ago as we move towards a more tolerant society without all this hate. Horrible horrible people. Its so arrogant its beyond belief.

Check Youtube and see the many previous marches they have done in Glasgow where they actually stop in front of chapels whilst catholics are inside having mass. Disrespectful, bigotted and down right embarrassing in this day and age.

[High-On-Hibs]

I agree up to a point however, I think I have enough intelligence to see past the mentality of today's Walking community.

Intelligence comes from knowledge, knowledge comes from what you are told to accept as fact...... I think you can see where i'm going with this. :cb

[High-On-Hibs]

Exactly. Many probably don't even know what most of it means, just want to join in because they support Rangers and see it as a way of hating celtic and winding up celtic fans even more (believe me there really are people like this!). I had the great misfortune of walking down the street in museleburgh a couple years back when they were having this and it was just a sea of hun tops.

Imagine encouraging your children along as well. Breeding more hate and intolerance and encouraging the next generation of bigots. This bull**** should have been left behind years ago as we move towards a more tolerant society without all this hate. Horrible horrible people. Its so arrogant its beyond belief.

Check Youtube and see the many previous marches they have done in Glasgow where they actually stop in front of chapels whilst catholics are inside having mass. Disrespectful, bigotted and down right embarrassing in this day and age.

Indeed. But what's the cure for this cancer?

[lapsedhibee]

Are they even more confident than usual this year of their pish since their political wing is currently essential to the country's Government? A situation more disgraceful than the bileful drummers, flautists and sticktwirlers holding up traffic.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'd like to go along to watch in a Hibs shirt. Top trolling :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/robertflorence/status/881074912991039490

Made me laugh.

[Pretty Boy]

https://twitter.com/robertflorence/status/881074912991039490

Made me laugh.

Brilliant.

3 cheers for 'the wean'.

[weecounty hibby]

Next week it's the turn of Alloa to put up with these ****ers. Not only is the town centre and heaps of roads closed but the council and police Scotland have had to produce an 8 page glossy brochure detailing the route, plans for closing roads and also a FAQ section. Question one was why do we have to put up with this? Just cos they can was pretty much the answer. Must be costing a fortune to police and organise

[High-On-Hibs]

Next week it's the turn of Alloa to put up with these ****ers. Not only is the town centre and heaps of roads closed but the council and police Scotland have had to produce an 8 page glossy brochure detailing the route, plans for closing roads and also a FAQ section. Question one was why do we have to put up with this? Just cos they can was pretty much the answer. Must be costing a fortune to police and organise

They will make their marches as expensive as possible. The less money Scotland has to spend on real issues in this country is considered a success for the union in their eyes.

[ronaldo7]

Glasgow yesterday. The famine song on full parade by the "musicians".:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/Liam_O_Hare/status/881542649035071488

[Mr White]

Glasgow yesterday. The famine song on full parade by the "musicians".:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/Liam_O_Hare/status/881542649035071488

As is often the case when viewing those fuds I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Ludicrous and tragic in equal measure.

[libernian]

I think cultural stuff generally makes the world a more interesting place and that marching bands (highland pipe bands, loyalist bands etc) give an opportunity to youngsters to have a hobby and learn a musical instrument. better than being on street with nothing to do...

[calumhibee1]

I think cultural stuff generally makes the world a more interesting place and that marching bands (highland pipe bands, loyalist bands etc) give an opportunity to youngsters to have a hobby and learn a musical instrument. better than being on street with nothing to do...

Marching around the city spouting bigoted ***** is certainly not better than being on the street with nothing to do.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Glasgow yesterday. The famine song on full parade by the "musicians".:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/Liam_O_Hare/status/881542649035071488

The irony is lost on them. By telling Celtc fans to 'go home' because they are so Irish, they forget that almost the entire Rangers song book is about Ireland. Indeed, the Orange Order was formed in Ireland!

[High-On-Hibs]

The irony is lost on them. By telling Celtc fans to 'go home' because they are so Irish, they forget that almost the entire Rangers song book is about Ireland. Indeed, the Orange Order was formed in Ireland!

Not to forget songs about a Dutchman who won a war with a huge helping hand from the Catholic church.

[Colr]

The irony is lost on them. By telling Celtc fans to 'go home' because they are so Irish, they forget that almost the entire Rangers song book is about Ireland. Indeed, the Orange Order was formed in Ireland!

As Tom Devine pointed out, they are a problem which was re-imported from northern Ireland in the 20s.

[Pretty Boy]

As Tom Devine pointed out, they are a problem which was re-imported from northern Ireland in the 20s.

Indeed. I wonser how many of them are aware of the plantation politics of James I?

[lucky]

Fortunately in a free society those we disagree with are allowed to voice their opinions whether the majority disagree with them. Orange walks are a small price to pay for a free society. Even if they are outdated

[ronaldo7]

Police now investigating the Orange Order march through Glasgow, and the singing of Racist songs.

https://t.co/1dFPe1SFQv

[lord bunberry]

Police now investigating the Orange Order march through Glasgow, and the singing of Racist songs.

https://t.co/1dFPe1SFQv

An excercise in futility right there.

[Onceinawhile]

Police now investigating the Orange Order march through Glasgow, and the singing of Racist songs.

https://t.co/1dFPe1SFQv

What's to investigate? There are police officers in the photo and video of those singing the famine song.

Why didn't they do anything?

[stoneyburn hibs]

What's to investigate? There are police officers in the photo and video of those singing the famine song.

Why didn't they do anything?

Probably didn't want to stick their work colleagues in.

[stoneyburn hibs]

I was in Glasgow city centre as the march was happening. Grown men wearing anything they could find that's Orange. The more refined lovely chaps were suited with the Rangers club tie.

Trying to explain this nonsense to a Danish work colleague is quite a task.

[Sir David Gray]

Fortunately in a free society those we disagree with are allowed to voice their opinions whether the majority disagree with them. Orange walks are a small price to pay for a free society. Even if they are outdated

Correct. In any democratic country, we will always come up against things that we are opposed to.

[Jim44]

I've never seen an orange walk, but I've seen a sausage roll. :greengrin

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Correct. In any democratic country, we will always come up against things that we are opposed to.

True, but there have to br limits.

Imagine a march by an extreme racist organisation, who sang 'slavery is over, why dont you go home' to black people being allowed to march repeatedly in Scotland.

There would be absolute uproar, politicians would fall over each other to pull it apart, condemn it and say it had no place in modern Scottish society.

[Beefster]

Police now investigating the Orange Order march through Glasgow, and the singing of Racist songs.

https://t.co/1dFPe1SFQv

A token response to outrage on social media. If it hadn't appeared on Twitter, nothing would have been done, despite the offences being witnessed by numerous police officers.

[Pretty Boy]

Correct. In any democratic country, we will always come up against things that we are opposed to.

It's quite concerning that they pass off every year with little or no counter demonstration or opposition though isn't it?

Every time the SDL or whoever stage a march you can guarantee there will be a sizable counter protest, often far larger than the march itself. Yet in June and July every year a sectarian organisation passes through our streets belting out songs of hatred and religious intolerance and it's accepted as part of 'our culture'.

It seems some religious intolerance is more acceptable than others in Scotland. Although I think most people know that already.

[CropleyWasGod]

A token response to outrage on social media. If it hadn't appeared on Twitter, nothing would have been done, despite the offences being witnessed by numerous police officers.

I can see the point of what the police are doing here.

There's no point in a few officers challenging hundreds of aggressive people. That has the potential to turn into mayhem.

Better to sit with the CCTV, take time to work out what happened, see who was responsible, and take the evidence of the officers who were there.

A complaint has been made, and the Police are duty bound to respond to it. That would have happened even if the Twatters hadn't got hold of it.

[Geo_1875]

It's quite concerning that they pass off every year with little or no counter demonstration or opposition though isn't it?

Every time the SDL or whoever stage a march you can guarantee there will be a sizable counter protest, often far larger than the march itself. Yet in June and July every year a sectarian organisation passes through our streets belting out songs of hatred and religious intolerance and it's accepted as part of 'our culture'.

It seems some religious intolerance is more acceptable than others in Scotland. Although I think most people know that already.

The police will actively "control" any attempt to interfere with the LoL marchers. They have been known to line up outside pubs to stop people leaving while the march passes by.

[ronaldo7]

A token response to outrage on social media. If it hadn't appeared on Twitter, nothing would have been done, despite the offences being witnessed by numerous police officers.

Agreed. Kudos to the guy taking the video. Police Scotland, weegie department need to take a long hard look at themselves.

[blackpoolhibs]

18848A Blackpool loyal selfie last Sunday.

[Moulin Yarns]

Bbc report suggests Glasgow city council may ban Orange walks after the video of the famine song went viral.

[Sylar]

Was stopped by 3 today as I drove from Lanark across to West Calder for a game of golf - once in Lanark, once in Forth and once in West Calder.

Each time, the police stopped the traffic on both sides of the road to allow them to pass - I was listening to music anyway with the windows down and it was pretty heavy (Architects), so I cranked the volume up loud enough that it was clearly pissing the neanderthals off to throw me a barrage of dirty looks.

I don't like their music, they didn't like mine. :greengrin

[Pete]

Bbc report suggests Glasgow city council may ban Orange walks after the video of the famine song went viral.

Yet another token gesture, reacting as if they've been taken by surprise by this type of behaviour. Truth is that they've been embarrassed.

You have to laugh at the quote "there's nothing wrong with the music, it's a 60's song" as if it was just randomly chosen and it was the crowds fault for twisting it. Also one of the video comments saying we shouldn't take it so seriously.

Hate to say it but we live in a country where the reaction to this has been pathetic for far too long. This type of exposure needs to continue.

[Glory Lurker]

Yet another token gesture, reacting as if they've been taken by surprise by this type of behaviour. Truth is that they've been embarrassed.



Not so sure. SNP won minority control of Glasgow in May and, unlike the party that previously ran the administration, there is not a single member who has any sympathy with the OO. I would be delighted if they do ban them, although I am not sure if legally they can.

[Glory Lurker]

The OO, so educated in history, do know Scotland was independent in 1690?

[ronaldo7]

Not so sure. SNP won minority control of Glasgow in May and, unlike the party that previously ran the administration, there is not a single member who has any sympathy with the OO. I would be delighted if they do ban them, although I am not sure if legally they can.

Maybe we can just list the lodges/bands that have had their day out (once per year) and they can go back to barracks to be signed in by Colonel Gadaffti, not to be seen again for another year.:wink:

[lucky]

Not so sure. SNP won minority control of Glasgow in May and, unlike the party that previously ran the administration, there is not a single member who has any sympathy with the OO. I would be delighted if they do ban them, although I am not sure if legally they can.

Can you namer one person in the previous administration in Glasgow who has sympathy with the OO?

We are democratic country and people with different views are allowed to be heard. If you go down the road of banning marches and parades you move into an area of restricting peoples human rights.

[lucky]

If Police Scotland were serious about doing something about the sectarian singing then they could close down the witch hunt against Hibs fans from the 2016 cup final and use their expertise to go through all the footage of the march to identify the individuals involved including officers who ignored individuals singing sectarian songs in front of them

[High-On-Hibs]

Can you namer one person in the previous administration in Glasgow who has sympathy with the OO?

We are democratic country and people with different views are allowed to be heard. If you go down the road of banning marches and parades you move into an area of restricting peoples human rights.

But then surely banning the use of certain words that are deemed racist or secterian falls under the same category?

What about physical assault? It restricts peoples rights to go and harm another person. Should those bans be lifted? Why can't these hateful marches be banned?

[lucky]

But then surely banning the use of certain words that are deemed racist or secterian falls under the same category?

What about physical assault? It restricts peoples rights to go and harm another person. Should those bans be lifted? Why can't these hateful marches be banned?

Because sadly not everyone sees them as hateful.

[marinello59]

Can you namer one person in the previous administration in Glasgow who has sympathy with the OO?


Smearing other parties as having strong OO sympathies seems to be gaining in popularity with some of the more intolerant SNP supporters. Sad stuff.

[Glory Lurker]

Can you namer one person in the previous administration in Glasgow who has sympathy with the OO?

We are democratic country and people with different views are allowed to be heard. If you go down the road of banning marches and parades you move into an area of restricting peoples human rights.

It was the Labour Party I was talking about, not the administration, although I appreciate that in the Labour membership as a whole it will still only be a small number. The OO is obviously diametrically at odds with what the SNP is about so I can't see any SNP member having any sympathy.

[High-On-Hibs]

Because sadly not everyone sees them as hateful.

There's not a single view in the world that everybody agrees with. Doesn't stop other bans from happening though.

[Betty Boop]

Can you namer one person in the previous administration in Glasgow who has sympathy with the OO?

We are democratic country and people with different views are allowed to be heard. If you go down the road of banning marches and parades you move into an area of restricting peoples human rights.
Exactly, and before you know it demonstrations would be banned as well.

[ronaldo7]

Can you namer one person in the previous administration in Glasgow who has sympathy with the OO?

We are democratic country and people with different views are allowed to be heard. If you go down the road of banning marches and parades you move into an area of restricting peoples human rights.

I'm not for banning marches, however, I am against the same people marching all over Scotland, on nearly every week end during the summer months.

Each lodge should be allowed to march once, in their own area, and they can then hang up their flutes and drums for another year. No need for these bands/lodges to be bussed all over Scotland to parade through towns, villages, and cities causing fury and angst of the locals.

Councils already give authority for lodges to march, and when they have, they can then share it, with others, for all to see.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't believe that freedom of speech or freedom of expression should simply be treated as an excuse to say what you want without challenge or censure. With every right comes a responsibility and it's about time the Orange Order began taking responsibility for the behaviour of their members, the bands they use and the followers they attract.

In my opinion the continued indulgence of irresponsible and illegal behaviour by the Orange Order shows up the pretensions of Scotland as a more enlightened and tolerant country than other parts of the UK for what they are. Anti Catholic bigotry is regularly tolerated in Scotland, it's brushed under the carpet, ignored by the media and seen as something to be joked about. I remember being about 7or 8 and watching Andy Cameron parade about on TV at Hogmanay pretending to throw a baton about and mimicking playing a flute. Even at that age I knew it was wrong but it seemed to be laughed off as 'just a bit of fun'. Up next some other nobody pretends to burn a cross, good family fun.

Almost every public event that is granted a license comes with a caveat that the organisers will do everything in their power to avoid illegal behaviour. The Orange Order often argue their marches use hired bands as opposed to ones linked to a specific Lodge so they can't always control what they play. How difficult would it be to find the bands playing the illegal songs and not use them again? If there was a genuine will then not very difficult at all is the answer. A 10 second search on YouTube will return multiple videos of Orange marches with songs such as 'The Famine Song' or 'No Pope of Rome' being sung. Even a cursory glance shows plenty men in sashes joining in with gusto as opposed to those 'tagging long'; another often cited nonsense excuse.

If the Orange Order are continued to be allowed to march for whatever reason they wish then it should be on the proviso they actually take a stance against illegal behaviour. Permission is refused for other groups to march if there is a feeling it will lead to public order issues or offences. Why should the Orange Order be any different? Thankfully the power of new media is beginning to force these issues out of the shadows and into the wider public conscience. 15 years ago events like Glasgow last week would have passed under the radar, on this occasion the Police have been embarrassed into taking action. It's outdated, intolerant nonsense that is somehow exempt from the usual counter protests that greet celebrations of religious or racial intolerance in this country. That's a pretty sad reflection of our country imo.

[BS44]

https://mobile.twitter.com/newsundayherald/status/886333731237232644/photo/1

The ****wits take ****wittery to a different level

The Orange Order will deny any responsibility as their hall will have been booked for use for a private party

[Pretty Boy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/newsundayherald/status/886333731237232644/photo/1

The ****wits take ****wittery to a different level

The Orange Order will deny any responsibility as their hall will have been booked for use for a private party

Just good honest freedom of expression.

Part of our kkkulture.

[ronaldo7]

Just good honest freedom of expression.

Part of our kkkulture.

You were nearly right.:greengrin

This is their response to the Herald article. Deflect, and threaten.

18912

[Pretty Boy]

You were nearly right.:greengrin

This is their response to the Herald article. Deflect, and threaten.

18912

So no condemnation? It goes without saying that modern spin carries a degree of deflection and whataboutery but it usually still acknowledges the incident reported. Not in this case it would seem.

Tbh I'm not surprised though. To be a member of the Orange Order must take a special kind of inadequacy so to rise through the ranks and become a 'master' charged with releasing statements must push your character flaws off the scale.

Maybe they'll get fair and balanced coverage when they have a fair and balanced membership policy? It's a disgrace that in thr 21st century people who walk upright and have discovered fire are excluded from their organisation.

[wpj]

https://mobile.twitter.com/newsundayherald/status/886333731237232644/photo/1

The ****wits take ****wittery to a different level

The Orange Order will deny any responsibility as their hall will have been booked for use for a private party

That is horrible! What a family they must be eh! The response is also pathetic. Erses the lot of them

[grunt]

You were nearly right.:greengrin

This is their response to the Herald article. Deflect, and threaten.

18912VERY similar wording to the Rangers Club 1872 statement about Daily Record coverage,
Compare the last paragraph of both.

http://club1872.co.uk/news/club-1872-statement-on-daily-record-coverage/


If Rangers supporters continue to choose to spend their cash or read news online via the Daily Record website then it is unlikely anything will change. If we do not, then perhaps those running it will finally realise that we will no longer accept anything other than fair and balanced coverage of our club.

[RyeSloan]

You were nearly right.:greengrin

This is their response to the Herald article. Deflect, and threaten.

18912

Any response from PC Plod yet?

[ronaldo7]

Any response from PC Plod yet?

I heard they were looking for a gang of taigs who damaged the Lodge.:wink:

[RyeSloan]

I heard they were looking for a gang of taigs who damaged the Lodge.:wink:

Jeez still on the cup final then [emoji23]

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https://mobile.twitter.com/newsundayherald/status/886333731237232644/photo/1

The ****wits take ****wittery to a different level

The Orange Order will deny any responsibility as their hall will have been booked for use for a private party


Then the people themselves need to identified, named and shamed and prosecuted. That is absolutely disgusting - the fact that those photos come from a few years ago and those concerned are almost certainly still members of Whinhall LOI says it all.

I believe that lettors can in certain circumstances be held responsible for what goes on in their premises even if they're not actually involved themselves.

I'm extremely disturbed and angry to have to say that Whinhall is in Airdrie, and those people could be said to be my neighbours.

[ronaldo7]

It's not just Charlottesville citizens who run their fellow man/woman over. I wonder how much time this one will get?

https://t.co/cqdytx0E7U