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Greenworld
27-06-2017, 12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/879663262186561537

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Hibbyradge
27-06-2017, 12:10 PM
Announcement? :hilarious

Elephant Stone
27-06-2017, 12:16 PM
Would be an exciting signing.

Big_Franck
27-06-2017, 12:18 PM
I'd rather have him than Lafferty. Was a great player for United when playing regularly. Not a surprise he hasn't had a sniff at Celtic with the attacking players they've got.

lord bunberry
27-06-2017, 12:21 PM
I'd rather have him than Lafferty. Was a great player for United when playing regularly. Not a surprise he hasn't had a sniff at Celtic with the attacking players they've got.
:agree:He'd be a much better option than Lafferty imo.

GreenNWhiteArmy
27-06-2017, 12:24 PM
I'd rather have him than Lafferty. Was a great player for United when playing regularly. Not a surprise he hasn't had a sniff at Celtic with the attacking players they've got.

:agree:

1van Sprou7e
27-06-2017, 12:24 PM
Good player but also overrated and apparently got a ***** attitude

Elephant Stone
27-06-2017, 12:24 PM
:agree:He'd be a much better option than Lafferty imo.

I'd be a lot happier with him as well. Only 25 and not a tosser.

Since90+2
27-06-2017, 12:25 PM
Could potentially be a decent signing. He comes across as bit of the moody sort but if Lennon could get the best out of him he could definitely score goals for us.

Greenworld
27-06-2017, 12:25 PM
Announcement? :hilarious
You press one wrong button

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Elephant Stone
27-06-2017, 12:26 PM
Good player but also overrated and apparently got a ***** attitude

Ah I forgot about that. Will Lennon know him from his time at Celtic?

OsloHibs
27-06-2017, 12:27 PM
Not been good since Dundee utd & how long ago was that.. Will take a long while to get him back to those days. If ever.

Diclonius
27-06-2017, 12:29 PM
Would prefer Ciftci 100% to Lafferty. Big strong target man and scores goals.

Ozyhibby
27-06-2017, 12:30 PM
Cifti is a good player. Well worth a shout.


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Geo_1875
27-06-2017, 12:30 PM
I'd be a lot happier with him as well. Only 25 and not a tosser.

I think he's at least as big a tosser as Lafferty.

Andy74
27-06-2017, 12:32 PM
https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/879663262186561537

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What is it in his record that makes him a better option than Lafferty?

147lothian
27-06-2017, 12:32 PM
If we got Cifti it would be a fantastic signing and a double victory because it would mean us upping the wages of Lafferty before rejecting him and increasing debt on our ugly neighbours win, win IMO

Elephant Stone
27-06-2017, 12:34 PM
I think he's at least as big a tosser as Lafferty.

Sake :hilarious My heart is sore from losing Cummings, we better sign at least one striker who is sound.

hibsbollah
27-06-2017, 12:38 PM
I think he's at least as big a tosser as Lafferty.

What's he done?

Andy74
27-06-2017, 12:38 PM
Would prefer Ciftci 100% to Lafferty. Big strong target man and scores goals.

34 of them in his whole career by the looks of things - 25 of which in one spell at Utd.

He scored 1 goal in 3 years before going there and has 8 in the last 2 years.

Is he big at 6 ft 1 1/2? Lafferty is 6 ft 4.

So, on your basis of a big guy that scores goals I'm not seeing how you come to your preference?

Are folk confusing looking for a new mate as opposed to a footballer?

SMAXXA
27-06-2017, 12:40 PM
What is it with folk worried if we sign guys that you don't know anything about personally but brand them as tossers. I get we all have opinions on what we have seen from guys playing for other clubs but good players tossers or not can come play for hibs for me, they can then be our tossers.

Or we could just sign some nice boys with history for escorting old ladies across the road. 😉

MyJo
27-06-2017, 12:44 PM
What is it in his record that makes him a better option than Lafferty?

Lafferty has scored 31 goals in 104 appearances in Scottish football

ciftci has scored 29 in 80 appearances in Scottish football.

Lafferty achieved his playing for rangers, ciftci achieved most of his playing for a non-old firm team.

Ciftci has scored 8 goals in 32 appearances in the last two years, lafferty has scored 3 in 20.

Ciftci is 5 years younger than Lafferty and could brings transfer fee in two years if he performs well.

Ciftci isn't a odious twat of a person

hibsbollah
27-06-2017, 12:44 PM
What is it with folk worried if we sign guys that you don't know anything about personally but brand them as tossers. I get we all have opinions on what we have seen from guys playing for other clubs but good players tossers or not can come play for hibs for me, they can then be our tossers.

Or we could just sign some nice boys with history for escorting old ladies across the road. 😉

Leigh allegedly stole a bottle of lucozade from a supermarket and told a British Asian to 'go back to your own country' on twitter. Would most of us overlook these things if he came back to Hibs I wonder :hmmm:

Since90+2
27-06-2017, 12:45 PM
He is nearly 5 years younger than Lafferty for starters which means you atleast have a chance of a sell on value. At 25 he should be approaching his prime years whereas Lafferty will be 30 in a few weeks.

When last playing consistently in the SPL he scored 11 and 14 league goals respectively (17 & 16 if including cups). As a comparison the most Lafferty ever scored for Rangers was 11 league goals and 15 in total and that was playing for a very good Rangers side as opposed to Dundee Utd.

100% he would be a better signing than Lafferty.

CapitalGreen
27-06-2017, 12:46 PM
34 of them in his whole career by the looks of things - 25 of which in one spell at Utd.

He scored 1 goal in 3 years before going there and has 8 in the last 2 years.

Is he big at 6 ft 1 1/2? Lafferty is 6 ft 4.

So, on your basis of a big guy that scores goals I'm not seeing how you come to your preference?

Are folk confusing looking for a new mate as opposed to a footballer?

Ciftci has scored 37 goals in Scotland - a goal every 188 minutes.

Lafferty has scored 38 goals in Scotland - a goal every 193 minutes.

FilipinoHibs
27-06-2017, 12:46 PM
Could he be our Cantanna?

Andy74
27-06-2017, 12:49 PM
Ciftci's has scored 37 goals in Scotland - a goal every 188 minutes.

Lafferty's has scored 38 goals in Scotland - a goal every 193 minutes.

The point I'm making is there's not much in it and neither have done much in recent years. Lafferty has carried on scoring at international level which isn't in those numbers.

However, with Lafferty his record is portrayed as terrible.

Cifti is a big guy that scores goals though apparently.

MyJo
27-06-2017, 12:51 PM
The point I'm making is there's not much in it and neither have done much in recent years. Lafferty has carried on scoring at international level which isn't in those numbers.

However, with Lafferty his record is portrayed as terrible.

Cifti is a big guy that scores goals though apparently.

I think they mean "big" as in strong, a bit of muscle on him to battle defenders with.

Andy74
27-06-2017, 12:52 PM
Lafferty has scored 31 goals in 104 appearances in Scottish football

ciftci has scored 29 in 80 appearances in Scottish football.

Lafferty achieved his playing for rangers, ciftci achieved most of his playing for a non-old firm team.

Ciftci has scored 8 goals in 32 appearances in the last two years, lafferty has scored 3 in 20.

Ciftci is 5 years younger than Lafferty and could brings transfer fee in two years if he performs well.

Ciftci isn't a odious twat of a person

Isn't he?

During his time with Dundee United, Çiftçi garnered a reputation for indiscipline; aside from his red cards against Inverness and Hamilton Accies, he was also accused of kicking Celtic's Scott Brown on the head during a bad tempered Scottish Cup tie in March 2015 and then at the end of the season he was cited for "excessive misconduct" after been accused of biting Dundee's Jim McAlister on the leg in May 2015. A disciplinary panel subsequently found him guilty of the offence, giving him an eight-match ban.

CapitalGreen
27-06-2017, 12:53 PM
The point I'm making is there's not much in it and neither have done much in recent years. Lafferty has carried on scoring at international level which isn't in those numbers.

However, with Lafferty his record is portrayed as terrible.

Cifti is a big guy that scores goals though apparently.

Not one poster on this thread said he had a better record than Lafferty before you started questioning them.

I think a lot of people would be happy with a Lafferty-type player (Big, strong type who also contributes goals while not being prolific) but not a Lafferty-type person.

18Hibee75
27-06-2017, 12:53 PM
Would welcome him with open arms. Strong, can finish, knows where the goal is, can use his head and isn't a hun. Make it happen Lennon! This type of signing would excite me.

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hibsbollah
27-06-2017, 12:54 PM
Would welcome him with open arms.

Just watch he doesn't bite you on the leg.

Andy74
27-06-2017, 12:57 PM
Not one poster on this thread said he had a better record than Lafferty before you started questioning them.

I think a lot of people would be happy with a Lafferty-type player (Big, strong type who also contributes goals while not being prolific) but not a Lafferty-type person.

Other than the title and the 5 other posts which said he was a better option. No, none. I asked what it was in his record that made him that better option.

I'm yet to figure out the Lafferty type person relevance.

CapitalGreen
27-06-2017, 12:59 PM
Other than the title and the 5 other posts which said he was a better option. No, none. I asked what it was in his record that made him that better option.

I'm yet to figure out the Lafferty type person relevance.

Read my post again. Records may be similar but people are suggesting he is a better of option as they do not like Lafferty as a person.

Still looking for a post that says Ciftci has a better record than Lafferty.

snooky
27-06-2017, 12:59 PM
https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/879663262186561537

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"Cifti free to leave celtic ...."

Surely that should be "Ctf free to leave Celtc ...."

Andy74
27-06-2017, 01:01 PM
Read my post again. Records may be similar but people are suggesting he is a better of option as they do not like Lafferty as a person.

Which I'm not going to take seriously. It's not a best mate we're after.

No one can yet tell me what he's done.

As for Cifti. See above.

Andy74
27-06-2017, 01:02 PM
Read my post again. Records may be similar but people are suggesting he is a better of option as they do not like Lafferty as a person.

Still looking for a post that says Ciftci has a better record than Lafferty.
I've said above. 5 posts said he was better option.

I asked about the records to back up that conclusion.

You seem to be focused on his personality now though. A bit odd.

CapitalGreen
27-06-2017, 01:02 PM
Which I'm not going to take seriously. It's not a best mate we're after.

No one can yet tell me what he's done.

As for Cifti. See above.

I'm not sure people will care how seriously you take it tbh.

Andy74
27-06-2017, 01:03 PM
I'm not sure people will care how seriously you take it tbh.

Agree.

Dj00
27-06-2017, 01:04 PM
Cifti's always been used as the cummings type which sticks around the box, lafferty was always more of a support striker doing the donkey work to create for someone else. His partners goals ratio would always be better than his. Don't think it is fair to compare goal ratio of these two. Both are excellent signings for anyone outwith celtic in this league in my opinion

Since90+2
27-06-2017, 01:07 PM
Andy - His record is better than Lafferty's as has been shown on this thread. Not sure why you keep questioning it. Yes it isnt massively better , but its better.

He is also 5 years younger than Lafferty and we atleast would have the chance of making money from a transfer fee down the line. Zero chance of that with Lafferty.

Simples really.

Andy74
27-06-2017, 01:07 PM
Read my post again. Records may be similar but people are suggesting he is a better of option as they do not like Lafferty as a person.

Still looking for a post that says Ciftci has a better record than Lafferty.

By the way if you are going to bring in personality above football you might want to mention it somewhere. Wasn't in your or pretty much anyone else's posts until you brought it up again later.

What an idiot I am assuming we might be talking about being an option as a football player.

1van Sprou7e
27-06-2017, 01:09 PM
By the way if you are going to bring in personality above football you might want to mention it somewhere. Wasn't in your or pretty much anyone else's posts until you brought it up again later.

What an idiot I am assuming we might be talking about being an option as a football player.

Not saying I agree with him but personality is a crucial aspect of being a good/desirable footballer

Andy74
27-06-2017, 01:10 PM
Andy - His record is better than Lafferty's as has been shown on this thread. Not sure why you keep questioning it. Yes it isnt massively better , but its better.

He is also 5 years younger than Lafferty and we atleast would have the chance of making money from a transfer fee down the line. Zero chance of that with Lafferty.

Simples really.

Overall including international football it's not much better.

As I said my point was only to understand what made him a better option as it's not clear on record.

I've had my answer though.

Cifti appears to be a nice guy. Despite the list of disciplinary issues. Lafferty is not. Not sure what based on yet.

biotech
27-06-2017, 01:11 PM
If available on a free - got to be worth a punt!

stantonhibby
27-06-2017, 01:11 PM
Not fussed with either of them tbh. Will wait and see what transpires and then maybe think of throwing my toys out the pram.

Since90+2
27-06-2017, 01:11 PM
Not much better? So you agree its better.

Good stuff. Glad we cleared that up.

CapitalGreen
27-06-2017, 01:11 PM
By the way if you are going to bring in personality above football you might want to mention it somewhere. Wasn't in your or pretty much anyone else's posts until you brought it up again later.

What an idiot I am assuming we might be talking about being an option as a football player.

Here's two examples from before your opening post


I'd be a lot happier with him as well. Only 25 and not a tosser.


I think he's at least as big a tosser as Lafferty.

FGR2016
27-06-2017, 01:20 PM
Not fussed with either of them tbh. Will wait and see what transpires and then maybe think of throwing my toys out the pram.
Hi guys, long time reader first time poster.
This is kind of where i'm at as well, none of them get me overly excited. We need strikers in who are going to hit the ground running and get the goals straight away to replace what we're losing now Jason's away. The lack of game time/goals between the two of them over the last few years says a lot for me. Saying that however I'll always back the manager's decision and if Lennon thinks they could do a job then they'd get my backing 100%

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EH54
27-06-2017, 01:21 PM
I really couldn't care less about who is more or less than tosser tbh

I would take Cifti over Lafferty any day of the week

Dundee Hibee
27-06-2017, 01:33 PM
I watched Ciftci at his strutting best for Dundee United, what a player he can be, strong as an ox, skillful with a fantastic shot and decent in the air.

If he ends up in a Hibs shirt I will be making a lot more visits to ER this season.

CMurdoch
27-06-2017, 01:33 PM
My tuppence worth:
Lafferty - Re the character stuff, the feigning injury against Aberdeen incident occurred when he was 21. He is almost 30 now so i would discard it.
Since he left Rangers he only seems to last a season in the team before being sold or sent out on loan. Did well at Palermo scoring goals and helping them to get promoted to Seria A but was moved on at the end of the season and the club President called him an out of control womaniser. This is my favourite Lafferty character story.
He has done well for himself financially. He is either not as daft as folk think he is or has a good agent.
Assets - 6'4" tall and strong, experience in quality leagues, not aware of any injury issues
Weaknesses - think he is all about the money, from career stats seems to graft to establish himself then switch off.
Conclusion - Would do well for us and his onfield behaviour would not be a problem. Would play the Holt role.
Think he will go to Hearts and be Concalves grafter.

Craig_HFC
27-06-2017, 01:40 PM
The phrase 'bald men fighting over a comb' comes to mind when reading this thread.

The new season can't start soon enough so the forum can go back to moaning about things that have actually happened rather than moaning about things that haven't.

CMurdoch
27-06-2017, 01:49 PM
I watched Ciftci at his strutting best for Dundee United, what a player he can be, strong as an ox, skillful with a fantastic shot and decent in the air.


The above from Dundee Hibee is the potential this guy has and for that reason I would be delighted if Celtic give him the money to disappear and we take him on a 2 year contract.
The downsides - a complex character with a history of onfield indiscipline who hasn't played much football in the last 2 years.
Upside - only 25 and was the business in our league only 2 years ago for a team of similar ability to our own. For a variety of reasons I don't think he stood a chance at Celtic. I think we could get him comfortable again and back on track.
If Celtic sort his contract out (2years to run) we should SIGN!

sahib
27-06-2017, 02:01 PM
I think Cifti would be a good fit for Hibs.
We have always taken to skilful players, even when they are largely ineffective.

Jim44
27-06-2017, 02:04 PM
The above from Dundee Hibee is the potential this guy has and for that reason I would be delighted if Celtic give him the money to disappear and we take him on a 2 year contract.
The downsides - a complex character with a history of onfield indiscipline who hasn't played much football in the last 2 years.
Upside - only 25 and was the business in our league only 2 years ago for a team of similar ability to our own. For a variety of reasons I don't think he stood a chance at Celtic. I think we could get him comfortable again and back on track.
If Celtic sort his contract out (2years to run) we should SIGN!

He's highly unpopular with the Celtic support and if Rodgers wants to move him on, I don't see them being too demanding on his contract and fee. One or two suggesting he might just sit it out till 2019 picking up his tidy wage. A loan might be a compromise.

SanFranHibs
27-06-2017, 02:12 PM
The phrase 'bald men fighting over a comb' comes to mind when reading this thread.

The new season can't start soon enough so the forum can go back to moaning about things that have actually happened rather than moaning about things that haven't.

We, the moaners, are entitled to our pre-season. We want our moaning to be in the best condition possible at the start of the season. Can't afford to be rusty for the Partick game. :greengrin

Actually, I don't know enough about either player to comment on their merits and who might be a better proposition for Hibs.

However, it may be that neither will play in a Hibs jersey this coming season.

I certainly am not fretting about our personnel lineup at this time, but I must confess that I am impatient for some 'exciting' news and the season to begin.

:flag:

HFCdeb
27-06-2017, 02:13 PM
Not fussed with either of them tbh. Will wait and see what transpires and then maybe think of throwing my toys out the pram.

This is where I'm at, too.

blackpoolhibs
27-06-2017, 02:27 PM
I'd prefer Ciftci if he could recapture his Dundee Utd form, just because i think he's what we are looking for more than Laugherty.

Also with him being 25, i think he could have a better chance of doing so than a 30 year old.

tamig
27-06-2017, 02:39 PM
My tuppence worth:
Lafferty - Re the character stuff, the feigning injury against Aberdeen incident occurred when he was 21. He is almost 30 now so i would discard it.
Since he left Rangers he only seems to last a season in the team before being sold or sent out on loan. Did well at Palermo scoring goals and helping them to get promoted to Seria A but was moved on at the end of the season and the club President called him an out of control womaniser. This is my favourite Lafferty character story.
He has done well for himself financially. He is either not as daft as folk think he is or has a good agent.
Assets - 6'4" tall and strong, experience in quality leagues, not aware of any injury issues
Weaknesses - think he is all about the money, from career stats seems to graft to establish himself then switch off.
Conclusion - Would do well for us and his onfield behaviour would not be a problem. Would play the Holt role.
Think he will go to Hearts and be Concalves grafter.
Don't get this comparison between Lafferty and Holt. They are not similar types of players. Your not the first that has stated this though. For all Lafferty's physical attributes, he doesn't really fit into the big target man bracket - which is exactly what Grant Holt was and will likely be a type of player NL will be looking to bring in.

Andy74
27-06-2017, 02:40 PM
I'd prefer Ciftci if he could recapture his Dundee Utd form, just because i think he's what we are looking for more than Laugherty.

Also with him being 25, i think he could have a better chance of doing so than a 30 year old.

A sensible explanation at least!

CMurdoch
27-06-2017, 03:02 PM
The above from Dundee Hibee is the potential this guy has and for that reason I would be delighted if Celtic give him the money to disappear and we take him on a 2 year contract.
The downsides - a complex character with a history of onfield indiscipline who hasn't played much football in the last 2 years.
Upside - only 25 and was the business in our league only 2 years ago for a team of similar ability to our own. For a variety of reasons I don't think he stood a chance at Celtic. I think we could get him comfortable again and back on track.
If Celtic sort his contract out (2years to run) we should SIGN!

He's highly unpopular with the Celtic support and if Rodgers wants to move him on, I don't see them being too demanding on his contract and fee. One or two suggesting he might just sit it out till 2019 picking up his tidy wage. A loan might be a compromise.

Celtic would be easy to deal with. They just want him gone.
The longer he stays there rotting the worse it is for both parties.
I wouldn't mind a loan but would prefer if we got him on a permanent deal because I think we would get him back on song in which case we might lose him at the end of the loan.
At the moment his stock is low and Celtic just want him away. Worth the risk.

Big L
27-06-2017, 03:30 PM
He signed a 4yr deal, still got 2yrs to go. He will be on good money, probably won't want to give it up. Might get him on loan, paying a % of his wages.

ian cruise
27-06-2017, 04:47 PM
We won't be in for Cifti, Lennon is only after players aged 32+, I read it on the Pennant thread so it must be true.

allezsauzee
27-06-2017, 05:35 PM
Let's not get too positive on Ciftci and negative on Lafferty in case we end up signing Lafferty and the yams take Ciftci :wink:

I think they would both be decent signings for either team. Both players probably just need to get some regular football under their belt.

lyonhibs
27-06-2017, 09:26 PM
Not saying I agree with him but personality is a crucial aspect of being a good/desirable footballer

Some of the best footballers record-wise have been a right collection of horrible ****s on the pitch.

Being someone you'd introduce to your in-laws is not in any way crucial to being a good, and thus desirable, footballer.

I don't want Lafferty cos I think he's pony. Would take Ciftci though, but he's not exactly an Oxfam volunteer himself based on his disciplinary record

ancient hibee
27-06-2017, 09:32 PM
[QUOTE=Jim44;5082468]

Celtic would be easy to deal with. They just want him gone.
The longer he stays there rotting the worse it is for both parties.
I wouldn't mind a loan but would prefer if we got him on a permanent deal because I think we would get him back on song in which case we might lose him at the end of the loan.
At the moment his stock is low and Celtic just want him away. Worth the risk.
You'd never go broke overestimating the number of players willing to rot for a few grand a week.

Paloschi
27-06-2017, 09:41 PM
He isn't that good IMO but trust Lennon if he was to bring him in.

WeeRussell
28-06-2017, 11:40 AM
I've been a fan of Ciftci since his United days. That's based on what I seen from his play, not stats or his tosserability compared to anyone else.

I met him in Edinburgh once and he seemed to be a fan of the city. He's also very friendly with Farid EA (who hopefully is still a big fan of us and advises him to do the right thing :wink:)

If we're even interested of course... which I hope we are.

It's a big YES please from me.