Patriotic Broadcasting

[snooky]

From BBC website - "Tory MP Andrea Leadsom says broadcasters should be more patriotic when reporting on Brexit."

:hmmm:

[Mr White]

She's right. From the BBC to the plebs on the street we all just need to keep a stiff upper lip and belt out regular choruses of God Save the Queen and Johnny Foreigner won't know what's hit them during these negotiations :cb

[ronaldo7]

From BBC website - "Tory MP Andrea Leadsom says broadcasters should be more patriotic when reporting on Brexit."

:hmmm:

Not sure about Brexit being broadcast fairly, however the BBC are due to broadcast the Orange walk on July 12th into the homes of Northern Ireland.

Patriotism indeed. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/inothernews/15367797.Twelfth_of_July_Orange_walk_to_be_televis ed_live_on_BBC_One_in_Northern_Ireland/

[Hibernia&Alba]

From BBC website - "Tory MP Andrea Leadsom says broadcasters should be more patriotic when reporting on Brexit."

:hmmm:

I saw her remarks on telly, basically insinuating that anyone who opposes Brexit is the enemy within. The BBC, according to her, should be cheerleaders for the government during the negotiations. Clearly The Telegraph, Mail, Express, Times and Sun aren't sufficient for that role. :rolleyes:

[Mr Grieves]

Imagine the **** storm if a politician of a certain Scottish political party had suggested this.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Not sure about Brexit being broadcast fairly, however the BBC are due to broadcast the Orange walk on July 12th into the homes of Northern Ireland.

Patriotism indeed. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/inothernews/15367797.Twelfth_of_July_Orange_walk_to_be_televis ed_live_on_BBC_One_in_Northern_Ireland/

Wow, I'm sure everyone else in Northern Ireland will be pleased to see their license fee being spent on triumphalist bigots.

[High-On-Hibs]

Wow, I'm sure everyone else in Northern Ireland will be pleased to see their license fee being spent on triumphalist bigots.

Half of them will be. :rolleyes:

[beensaidbefore]

Dont thibk its that bad an idea. Brexit is happenibg so we might as well try pulling in the same direction for a few months through the negotiations. Point scoring and taking eyes off of balls during the negotiation process is going to do no favours in the future apart from more point scoring.

[Hibrandenburg]

Dont thibk its that bad an idea. Brexit is happenibg so we might as well try pulling in the same direction for a few months through the negotiations. Point scoring and taking eyes off of balls during the negotiation process is going to do no favours in the future apart from more point scoring.

Are you really suggesting that opposition to Brexit should be silenced?

[beensaidbefore]

No. Why does everything have to be such extremes.

The way the media is using the eu worker righs like a stick to beat the govt is daft though. Its like they are trying to get us to agree to something before entering the discussion with eu. Its a bargaining chip and will be used accordingly.

It is happening though despite how obstuctive people are. The losers are going to be uk, and more so if people in the uk are constantly trying to weaken our hand.

[Hibrandenburg]

No. Why does everything have to be such extremes.

The way the media is using the eu worker righs like a stick to beat the govt is daft though. Its like they are trying to get us to agree to something before entering the discussion with eu. Its a bargaining chip and will be used accordingly.

It is happening though despite how obstuctive people are. The losers are going to be uk, and more so if people in the uk are constantly trying to weaken our hand.

You can't seriously expect someone whose livelihood depends on inter-european relationships to get on board the "Rule Britannia Express" like turkies dancing to Christmas carols.

[SHODAN]

No. Why does everything have to be such extremes.

The way the media is using the eu worker righs like a stick to beat the govt is daft though. Its like they are trying to get us to agree to something before entering the discussion with eu. Its a bargaining chip and will be used accordingly.

It is happening though despite how obstuctive people are. The losers are going to be uk, and more so if people in the uk are constantly trying to weaken our hand.

I'm sure the 3 million EU citizens in the UK will be quite happy to be used as bargaining chips.

[High-On-Hibs]

I'm sure the 3 million EU citizens in the UK will be quite happy to be used as bargaining chips.

Before all is said and done, the UK will be all out of bargaining chips.

[beensaidbefore]

I'm sure the 3 million EU citizens in the UK will be quite happy to be used as bargaining chips.

Should the 62million others be held to ransom over the matter? Im sure they understand why we cannot come out and agree to provide xyz assurances without getting the same in return for our guys abroad.

Do younthink that is an unreasonable stand point for the government to take?

[High-On-Hibs]

Should the 62million others be held to ransom over the matter? Im sure they understand why we cannot come out and agree to provide xyz assurances without getting the same in return for our guys abroad.

Do younthink that is an unreasonable stand point for the government to take?

Eh, didn't the EU just offer assurances to all the British folk in EU member states, something that Theresa May failed to offer in return? :confused:

[Hibrandenburg]

Should the 62million others be held to ransom over the matter? Im sure they understand why we cannot come out and agree to provide xyz assurances without getting the same in return for our guys abroad.

Do younthink that is an unreasonable stand point for the government to take?

It was the UK that decided to tear up the multilateral agreements, it's up to the UK to clarify it's intentions on how they intend to move forward and not vice versa.

[Beefster]

Imagine the **** storm if a politician of a certain Scottish political party had suggested this.

I'm pretty sure I remember Salmond wanting control of BBC Scotland so that he could deal with what he perceived as anti-SNP reporting.

[High-On-Hibs]

I'm pretty sure I remember Salmond wanting control of BBC Scotland so that he could deal with what he perceived as anti-SNP reporting.

I don't remember this. I do remember him saying that BBC Scotland should be a fully independent broadcasting channel in Scotland, so it no longer recieves its scripts from London.

I personally agree with him.

[Beefster]

I don't remember this. I do remember him saying that BBC Scotland should be a fully independent broadcasting channel in Scotland, so it no longer recieves its scripts from London.

I personally agree with him.

I often try the "I don't remember that so it didn't happen" strategy with Mrs Beefster but it generally doesn't work.

If he also said what you recall in addition to what I recall, it just sort of reinforces that politicians will say anything to suit the circumstances. Like the Tory last night. They are generally best ignored unless it's something serious.

[beensaidbefore]

Eh, didn't the EU just offer assurances to all the British folk in EU member states, something that Theresa May failed to offer in return? :confused:

Not aware of this. What has been agreed in terms of provisions for Brits living abroad after brexit?

[beensaidbefore]

It was the UK that decided to tear up the multilateral agreements, it's up to the UK to clarify it's intentions on how they intend to move forward and not vice versa.

Sure. But I don't think it would be a wise move to enter into negotiations having already agreed to do this that and the next thing. That is what the negotiation process is supposed to do.

[grunt]

Its a bargaining chip and will be used accordingly. These are people that you are talking about, and their lives. Jesus H Christ.

[grunt]

Do younthink that is an unreasonable stand point for the government to take?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. yes.

[beensaidbefore]

It sounds horrible. But its true. They will be used like a pawn in a game of chess unless some sensible solution can be met early in the negotiations.

[beensaidbefore]

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. yes.

Why do you think that?

[grunt]

Why do you think that?Because the Government is supposed to represent everyone in the country, not just those who voted for them, not just those who are members of their party, but everyone. And by using these people as bargaining chips the Government is saying that these people are not as important as other people in the UK. It's despicable, and the Tories should be eternally criticised for their behaviour in this regard.

[beensaidbefore]

Because the Government is supposed to represent everyone in the country, not just those who voted for them, not just those who are members of their party, but everyone. And by using these people as bargaining chips the Government is saying that these people are not as important as other people in the UK. It's despicable, and the Tories should be eternally criticised for their behaviour in this regard.

That's a fair point, but do you not think the govt would be in a worse negotiating position if they guaranteed EU workers rights, before discussing the rights of British workers living in the EU?

[CropleyWasGod]

That's a fair point, but do you not think the govt would be in a worse negotiating position if they guaranteed EU workers rights, before discussing the rights of British workers living in the EU?
By displaying some humanity, it might actually help their case.

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[grunt]

That's a fair point, but do you not think the govt would be in a worse negotiating position if they guaranteed EU workers rights, before discussing the rights of British workers living in the EU?Frankly I don't give a ****. They got themselves into this situation and I've got no sympathy for any difficulties they find themselves in.

[beensaidbefore]

By displaying some humanity, it might actually help their case.

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I'm not privvy to the negotiations, but i find it quite hard to believe they would be anything but. As grunt pointed out, this is peoples lives. Just because they are keeping quiet on the matter publicly doesn't mean there isn't some kind of decent plan in place. There might not be, but nobody actually knows. Its frustrating and worrying for lots of folk, but brexit needs to be done correctly and professionally because this is the biggest business the UK will do in our lifetime, if not generations. The EU has a lot to lose too so hopefully everyone can be sensible round the negotiating table.

[beensaidbefore]

Frankly I don't give a ****. They got themselves into this situation and I've got no sympathy for any difficulties they find themselves in.

OK.

[grunt]

I'm not privvy to the negotiations, but i find it quite hard to believe they would be anything but. ... Just because they are keeping quiet on the matter publicly doesn't mean there isn't some kind of decent plan in placeThere's no evidence for this whatsoever. Every statement issued by the Government indicates they have no clue what they are talking about, and more importantly, no consideration for the lives of people caught up in this disaster.


... but brexit needs to be done correctly and professionally because this is the biggest business the UK will do in our lifetime, if not generations.
The only "correct" way to "do Brexit" is not to do it at all. It's a looming disaster for the country, anyone but the most myopic can see that, yet we plough on regardless. What a ****in mess.

[beensaidbefore]

There's no evidence for this whatsoever. Every statement issued by the Government indicates they have no clue what they are talking about, and more importantly, no consideration for the lives of people caught up in this disaster.


The only "correct" way to "do Brexit" is not to do it at all. It's a looming disaster for the country, anyone but the most myopic can see that, yet we plough on regardless. What a ****in mess.

How do we get out of it though?

On the basis we don't, its crucial we get the best deal we can.

[grunt]

How do we get out of it though?

.
Easy. Admit we made a mistake. Admit we allowed people to be swayed by partisan press and lying self serving politicians. Once we admit we were lied to, it makes it easier to accept we need to stop this disastrous course and fix things.

Then we tell EU we were wrong to trigger A50 and we renegotiate our way back in



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[beensaidbefore]

Easy. Admit we made a mistake. Admit we allowed people to be swayed by partisan press and lying self serving politicians. Once we admit we were lied to, it makes it easier to accept we need to stop this disastrous course and fix things.

Then we tell EU we were wrong to trigger A50 and we renegotiate our way back in



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Good luck with that mate.

I'm the type of guy who likes to take a jacket just in case it rains.

[grunt]

Good luck with that mate.
I'm the type of guy who likes to take a jacket just in case it rains.

Thanks! You watch this space. This is where we will end up. The U.K. Government will eventually realise they can't succeed at brexit, and we will avoid this disaster.

No jacket required.


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[beensaidbefore]

Thanks! You watch this space. This is where we will end up. The U.K. Government will eventually realise they can't succeed at brexit, and we will avoid this disaster.

No jacket required.


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😂😂

Well whatever happens I hope it works out OK.

[grunt]

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Well whatever happens I hope it works out OK.

The only way it will be ok is if we don't do it.


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[lord bunberry]

Thanks! You watch this space. This is where we will end up. The U.K. Government will eventually realise they can't succeed at brexit, and we will avoid this disaster.

No jacket required.


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That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. The same hardline euro sceptics that forced the referendum and that May tried to put back in their box with a snap election are more powerful now than they ever were. The DUP only care about their own pathetic power struggle and will be bought with promises that further their agenda.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this ending like you think.

[grunt]

That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. The same hardline euro sceptics that forced the referendum and that May tried to put back in their box with a snap election are more powerful now than they ever were. The DUP only care about their own pathetic power struggle and will be bought with promises that further their agenda.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this ending like you think.

I've started on the whisky so you're not going to blow my wishful thinking tonight.

Every Tory vote is far less powerful now than it was 4 weeks ago. Their ship has sailed.


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[Hibbyradge]

😂😂

Well whatever happens I hope it works out OK.

Really? You hope it works out ok?

Not me.

I hope that it, as it probably will, all goes to she1t and the country gets poorer and poorer.

I look forward to the Spanish, French and Germans laughing at us all and our inability to leave our shores because the pound is so worthless.

I can't wait for all the folk who voted to leave to be engulfed in self pity and even more self loathing than they had when they disengaged their brains and voted to leave.

I don't feel any better after that. Not a bit.

[lord bunberry]

I've started on the whisky so you're not going to blow my wishful thinking tonight.

Every Tory vote is far less powerful now than it was 4 weeks ago. Their ship has sailed.


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I'm not going to argue with a man on the whisky:greengrin

[grunt]

I'm not going to argue with a man on the whisky:greengrin

Quite right too.


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[lord bunberry]

Quite right too.


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You got any going spare I'm on my last cider:greengrin

[beensaidbefore]

Really? You hope it works out ok?

Not me.

I hope that it, as it probably will, all goes to she1t and the country gets poorer and poorer.

I look forward to the Spanish, French and Germans laughing at us all and our inability to leave our shores because the pound is so worthless.

I can't wait for all the folk who voted to leave to be engulfed in self pity and even more self loathing than they had when they disengaged their brains and voted to leave.

I don't feel any better after that. Not a bit.

You on speed?

[heretoday]

Well, I voted Remain and Labour but despite that I hope we get a good deal. There's no alternative.

Let's hope Europe needs us as much as we need them.

[SHODAN]

Should the 62million others be held to ransom over the matter? Im sure they understand why we cannot come out and agree to provide xyz assurances without getting the same in return for our guys abroad.

Do younthink that is an unreasonable stand point for the government to take?

When there are actual living breathing people involved - yes.

The EU will be quite happy to guarantee the rights of all UK citizens living abroad. Our rampantly anti-immigration prime minister refuses to do the same, directly contravening another one of the Leave campaign's "promises".

Quite a few of the 62 million - myself included - have family who are EU citizens, and this is just adding to the uncertainty that has been forced on us. It isn't fair to say this is a negotiating process when millions of people genuinely don't know what their rights or livelihoods will be in the next few years, and our PM is refusing to acknowledge this and sort it out in a matter of moments.

If this was 3 million UK citizens the public/rag outcry would be off the scale.

[Hibrandenburg]

Sure. But I don't think it would be a wise move to enter into negotiations having already agreed to do this that and the next thing. That is what the negotiation process is supposed to do.

On one side of the table you have a union of countries who openly welcome free movement of people and that principle is set in their constitution, on the other side you have a country that previously shared those principles but has now decided that only people born in that country have a guaranteed right to live and work there and thus throwing not only the rights of people who chose to make their homes in that country into uncertainty, but also the rights of their own citizens living abroad. The UK started this odious human hostage taking and the responsibility is on them to sort out the mess they've created.

[Hibbyradge]

You on speed?

No.

I've just decided to embrace this country's inevitable future.

No point complaining about something that I can't change, is there?

I might as well concentrate on the enjoyable aspects.

Even if it's only schadenfreude.

[snooky]

Really? You hope it works out ok?

Not me.

I hope that it, as it probably will, all goes to she1t and the country gets poorer and poorer.

I look forward to the Spanish, French and Germans laughing at us all and our inability to leave our shores because the pound is so worthless.

I can't wait for all the folk who voted to leave to be engulfed in self pity and even more self loathing than they had when they disengaged their brains and voted to leave.

I don't feel any better after that. Not a bit.
I share the same optimism as you, HR. :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

No.

I've just decided to embrace this country's inevitable future.

No point complaining about something that I can't change, is there?

I might as well concentrate on the enjoyable aspects.

Even if it's only schadenfreude.

Pretty much where I am except I'll get to watch it from outside looking in. Popcorn at the ready.

[High-On-Hibs]

There's only one way that Scotland will have future membership in the EU. The unionist diehards who want it both ways, who are just waiting for the mystical brexit u-turn from the UK Government need to wake up.