Another incident in London

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960

A vehicle has struck pedestrians "leaving a number of casualties" in north London, police said.

One person was arrested following the incident on Seven Sisters Road in Finsbury Park.

Officers were called at 00.20 BST and remain at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said, describing it as a "major incident".


incident happened as worshipers were leaving Finsbury park mosque

[silverhibee]

Lets hope this is just a tragic accident and nothing more sinister to it.

[steakbake]

Lets hope this is just a tragic accident and nothing more sinister to it.

Looks like it's very sinister. Terrible stuff.

I'll absolutely guarantee that the people who did this will not have been on any kind of watch list.

I also wonder who is going to step forward and condemn it on behalf of the white community?

[hibsbollah]

I've just unfriended two people who have been posting 'We're all too soft on Islam' type links from sources like British Patriot. When asked about this, my response was 'you've got two reasons for sharing this **** on the internet. Either you want to encourage a race war, or you're too stupid to notice when other people are trying to start one'.

24 hours later I look at the news this morning and I realise what the future could look like.

[Mon Dieu4]

I've just unfriended two people who have been posting 'We're all too soft on Islam' type links from sources like British Patriot. When asked about this, my response was 'you've got two reasons for sharing this **** on the internet. Either you want to encourage a race war, or you're too stupid to notice when other people are trying to start one'.

24 hours later I look at the news this morning and I realise what the future could look like.

I've just done the same, deleted a few people as they seem filled with glee that it was a white man that seems to have done this, not from a racist standpoint but that it means they can trot out nonsense like if he was Muslim he would have been shot, that paramedics had a smile on their faces etc

These folk are just as bad as the people that openly spread the hate

[hibsbollah]

I've just done the same, deleted a few people as they seem filled with glee that it was a white man that seems to have done this, not from a racist standpoint but that it means they can trot out nonsense like if he was Muslim he would have been shot, that paramedics had a smile on their faces etc

These folk are just as bad as the people that openly spread the hate

Well that's the other side of the coin I suppose. Lassie I used to go out with years ago, university educated, works in London, posh job in the City, used to be a bit of a liberal type, now posting links to British Patriot. She's being radicalised just like the ****ers driving the vans.

[Mon Dieu4]

Well that's the other side of the coin I suppose. Lassie I used to go out with years ago, university educated, works in London, posh job in the City, used to be a bit of a liberal type, now posting links to English Patriot. She's being radicalised just like the ****ers driving the vans.

I've weeded out my fair share of these folk too, including a family member for posting something by Britain First, far too many bams of all persuasions on the go these days and social media gives them the platform to spout their pish, I tend to avoid most social media because of it all, can't be bothered getting into arguments with everyone

[Pete]

One confirmed dead and ten injured.

All this incident does is confirm one thing: Motor vehicles can kill people of all religions, colours and races. Looks like we are the same after all, eh?

Senseless doesn't even begin to describe it.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I've weeded out my fair share of these folk too, including a family member for posting something by Britain First, far too many bams of all persuasions on the go these days and social media gives them the platform to spout their pish, I tend to avoid most social media because of it all, can't be bothered getting into arguments with everyone

Its just another reason i dislike most social media platforms - it reduces 'political discourse' to clicking a thumbs-up button. No critical engagement, no thought or consideration, just value signalling to your friends via spreading utter tripe.

I despair sometimes, when i see relatives etc spreading this sort of guff.

It is just as bad as the islamist stuff, and should be clamped down on just as much.

Its one of the reasons i like this board so much, for all we can all disagree, maybe even annoy each orher at times, but very few, if any posters could be accused of not engaging with the subject matter and putting some thought into things.

Twitter, favebook etc give people a platform to broadcast opinions, that is way out of kilter with their intellectual ability to actually form them.

[frazeHFC]

I've just done the same, deleted a few people as they seem filled with glee that it was a white man that seems to have done this, not from a racist standpoint but that it means they can trot out nonsense like if he was Muslim he would have been shot, that paramedics had a smile on their faces etc

These folk are just as bad as the people that openly spread the hate

This. As soon as I heard of the attack I could think in my head of the people who would be posting stuff like this, and I wasn't wrong. It's almost as if they welcomed the chance to post it..

[G B Young]

Looks like it's very sinister. Terrible stuff.

I'll absolutely guarantee that the people who did this will not have been on any kind of watch list.

I also wonder who is going to step forward and condemn it on behalf of the white community?

If that's the case it just makes the rush to 'blame' for this latest attack all the more ill-considered.

As things stand we have a nutter (so far not known to have been on any watch list) who hires (or takes possession of) a van from Wales and deliberately drives it at a late-night crowd leaving a mosque in London.

Who can possibly be 'blamed' for this apart from the person or persons responsible for carrying it out? How is it in any way the fault of the police or the government as some talking heads are suggesting?? It seems to me an attack such as this is all but impossible to prevent, but the rush to find a scapegoat now seems de rigeur almost as soon as such incidents take place, and the politicising of these issues seems to take precedent over the human tragedy. From the Manchester bomb to the three latest terror attacks on London and the Grenfell fire, the dreadful loss of life is the story, not which political party can win the race to show the most empathy. For me these horrors go beyond party political point scoring and we should see a cross-party coming together to formulate a united way forward in terms of mitigating such incidents happening again.

[Slavers]

Is think this is classed as a hate crime rather than another terrorist attack, either way it's yet another senseless murder of innocents on our streets.

I think these attackers be it Islamic extremist or local sad nutter wanting 'revenge' are mere pawns in a global game of divide and conquer and I think governments are playing the game also.

[Hibbyradge]

Is think this is classed as a hate crime rather than another terrorist attack

Everyone is calling it a terror attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

[Sir David Gray]

Is think this is classed as a hate crime rather than another terrorist attack, either way it's yet another senseless murder of innocents on our streets.

I think these attackers be it Islamic extremist or local sad nutter wanting 'revenge' are mere pawns in a global game of divide and conquer and I think governments are playing the game also.

It's no less of a terrorist attack than the attacks on the Manchester Arena and London Bridge.

The man responsible should be treated under the same anti-terrorism laws as the Jihadists who have carried out previous attacks.

There can be no justification for this type of attack. I fully understand the anger and revulsion that previous attacks have caused but this is not the way to respond and will only cause greater division.

[Slavers]

It's no less of a terrorist attack than the attacks on the Manchester Arena and London Bridge.

The man responsible should be treated under the same anti-terrorism laws as the Jihadists who have carried out previous attacks.

There can be no justification for this type of attack. I fully understand the anger and revulsion that previous attacks have caused but this is not the way to respond and will only cause greater division.

Definition of terrorism "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Definition of Hate Crime "a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence."

[Colr]

It's no less of a terrorist attack than the attacks on the Manchester Arena and London Bridge.

The man responsible should be treated under the same anti-terrorism laws as the Jihadists who have carried out previous attacks.

There can be no justification for this type of attack. I fully understand the anger and revulsion that previous attacks have caused but this is not the way to respond and will only cause greater division.

Absolutely. Its an indiscriminate attach in a very busy area around the station anyone could have been caught up in it.

[steakbake]

If that's the case it just makes the rush to 'blame' for this latest attack all the more ill-considered.

As things stand we have a nutter (so far not known to have been on any watch list) who hires (or takes possession of) a van from Wales and deliberately drives it at a late-night crowd leaving a mosque in London.

Who can possibly be 'blamed' for this apart from the person or persons responsible for carrying it out? How is it in any way the fault of the police or the government as some talking heads are suggesting?? It seems to me an attack such as this is all but impossible to prevent, but the rush to find a scapegoat now seems de rigeur almost as soon as such incidents take place, and the politicising of these issues seems to take precedent over the human tragedy. From the Manchester bomb to the three latest terror attacks on London and the Grenfell fire, the dreadful loss of life is the story, not which political party can win the race to show the most empathy. For me these horrors go beyond party political point scoring and we should see a cross-party coming together to formulate a united way forward in terms of mitigating such incidents happening again.

My point was more that people like this guy are no more or less detectable than extremists of other kinds. Only, we don't really spend time looking at any other extremism but Islamist.

He'll have Facebook, likely twitter - likely have a criminal history. People could have reported him earlier but didn't think he'd do anything like this.

I'm just interested in the parallels between Islamist and far right extremism and how people react.

So far, looks pretty different despite it being the same thing.

[CapitalGreen]

Definition of terrorism "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Definition of Hate Crime "a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence."

Why do you feel the need to make the distinction?

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

My point was more that people like this guy are no more or less detectable than extremists of other kinds. Only, we don't really spend time looking at any other extremism but Islamist.

He'll have Facebook, likely twitter - likely have a criminal history. People could have reported him earlier but didn't think he'd do anything like this.

I'm just interested in the parallels between Islamist and far right extremism and how people react.

So far, looks pretty different despite it being the same thing.

Do you know that first point to be true? I dont think MI5 are in the business of publishing their current workplan...

Personally i would treat him exactly the same, notwithstanding any legal difficulties with definitions etc

[Killiehibbie]

My point was more that people like this guy are no more or less detectable than extremists of other kinds. Only, we don't really spend time looking at any other extremism but Islamist.

He'll have Facebook, likely twitter - likely have a criminal history. People could have reported him earlier but didn't think he'd do anything like this.

I'm just interested in the parallels between Islamist and far right extremism and how people react.

So far, looks pretty different despite it being the same thing.I'm sure there will loads of BNP types on watch lists.

[steakbake]

Do you know that first point to be true? I dont think MI5 are in the business of publishing their current workplan...

I would say that all the resources in community liaison and reporting like Prevent is directed towards one thing. In the official training videos I've watched, they pay lip service to other forms of domestic terrorism but the subtext is always Islamist extremism. When you ask the bods who come up with this stuff how to identify a radicalised white youth, their examples are an insult.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I'm sure there will loads of BNP types on watch lists.

Also animal rights extremists, dissidents irish paramilitaries, potential foreign agents from russia etc, cyber criminals and other political extremists.

[steakbake]

I'm sure there will loads of BNP types on watch lists.

No doubt there'll be some, but it's definitely not given anything like the same level of thought.

[Slavers]

Why do you feel the need to make the distinction?

Well why not? Maybe the guy is part of a wider terrorist organisation and motivated by political aims. I haven't really looked in to it a great deal but from what I know at the moment it seems to fit the hate crime definition.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I would say that all the resources in community liaison and reporting like Prevent is directed towards one thing. In the official training videos I've watched, they pay lip service to other forms of domestic terrorism but the subtext is always Islamist extremism. When you ask the bods who come up with this stuff how to identify a radicalised white youth, their examples are an insult.

So they focus their resources on the area with the biggest problem - seems quite logical. I dont think its a subtext, its a clear prioritisation and its quite right too.

[Slavers]

No doubt there'll be some, but it's definitely not given anything like the same level of thought.

I think the poster golden fleece posted a link showing right wing extremism is under more scrutiny than Islamic terrorism.

[steakbake]

Also animal rights extremists, dissidents irish paramilitaries, potential foreign agents from russia etc, cyber criminals and other political extremists.

Usually, the local police know the animal rights protesters.

Potential foreign agents sometimes get security passes to parliament. Mike Hancock and Michael Fallon have both ended up in potentially compromising situations with known Russian agents.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Usually, the local police know the animal rights protesters.

Potential foreign agents sometimes get security passes to parliament. Mike Hancock and Michael Fallon have both ended up in potentially compromising situations with known Russian agents.

Ok so the police are working on other types of extremist then? You were inferring they only care, unfairly, about islamic extremists.

[Killiehibbie]

No doubt there'll be some, but it's definitely not given anything like the same level of thought.
We might be surprised.

[steakbake]

We might be surprised.

We might be, we might not... ?!

[Killiehibbie]

We might be, we might not... ?!
Don't know about now but in the Combat 18 days there were plenty being watched.

[Moulin Yarns]

Ben Wallace Security Minister: "This isn't a hate crime. It's an act of terrorism. Simple as that."

An act of terrorism is also a hate crime, not all hate crimes are acts of terrorism.

[Sir David Gray]

Definition of terrorism "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Definition of Hate Crime "a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence."

By all accounts the main suspect said something like "I've done my job." as he was being arrested. That sounds to me like he might have political aims.

[lord bunberry]

People like this idiot seem to think that doing stuff like this is some sort of payback. It isn't and he's just as bad as any other terrorist. Killing innocent people never has any justification.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Sadly, there are enough warped minds in society who are prepared to go from unpleasant views to violence. Ramming vehicles into civilians is a low tech way of carrying out attacks. You can only think there is more to come.

[Mikey]

Have his family and friends been hauled in for questioning? That's what happens when the shoe is on the other foot!

[easty]

Have his family and friends been hauled in for questioning? That's what happens when the shoe is on the other foot!

True.

I remember after the Lee Rigby killing, maybe 3-4 days later, one of the rags (possibly Daily Mail) had a story about one of the killers sisters. She's had the audacity to be caught laughing in public. They had no idea what she was laughing at of course, but that didn't matter. Comments section was absolutely teeming with people who thought she should be thrown out the country.

I wonder if this guy from London this morning has a family, and if any of them dare to laugh this week?

I've gone off on a bit of a tangent to your point me thinks...

[Pretty Boy]

The whole media reporting of this is quite telling. After the Manchester and London Bridge attacks there was pretty much no other news reported for 3 or 4 days. Has this been consistent? As an example after Manchester Forth 1 suspended all their regular morning features as it was 'inappropriate'. Today the headline on the news was about a campaign about motorbikes in Edinburgh and the attack in London was relegated to 2nd place.

[Hibbyradge]

The whole media reporting of this is quite telling. After the Manchester and London Bridge attacks there was pretty much no other news reported for 3 or 4 days. Has this been consistent? As an example after Manchester Forth 1 suspended all their regular morning features as it was 'inappropriate'. Today the headline on the news was about a campaign about motorbikes in Edinburgh and the attack in London was relegated to 2nd place.

I do take your point.

I guess the scale of the attacks will influence the reporting too. 1 person died in Finsbury Park, 22 died in Manchester and the nature of the violence was so grotesque.

[makaveli1875]

I do take your point.

I guess the scale of the attacks will influence the reporting too. 1 person died in Finsbury Park, 22 died in Manchester and the nature of the violence was so grotesque.

Correct , id imagine if someone had bombed Finsbury park mosque and killed a load of children the reporting would be more intense

[hibee_girl]

The whole media reporting of this is quite telling. After the Manchester and London Bridge attacks there was pretty much no other news reported for 3 or 4 days. Has this been consistent? As an example after Manchester Forth 1 suspended all their regular morning features as it was 'inappropriate'. Today the headline on the news was about a campaign about motorbikes in Edinburgh and the attack in London was relegated to 2nd place.

I read something earlier which said it has to reported differently as he's still alive and able to face trial.

[hibsbollah]

I was never much of a hippy, but a lot of the news recently made me think how rubbish it is that John Lennon isn't around anymore. If we ever needed some sort of peace movement it's now. Do musicians even write about contemporary issues these days? (possible thread hijack).

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I read something earlier which said it has to reported differently as he's still alive and able to face trial.

This is a very important point - quite severe restrictions arpund reporting on this, as unlike most attacks these days, there will be a legal process - arrests, questioning, charging and of course a trial - technically the guy is still innocent (as weird as that is).

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I was never much of a hippy, but a lot of the news recently made me think how rubbish it is that John Lennon isn't around anymore. If we ever needed some sort of peace movement it's now. Do musicians even write about contemporary issues these days? (possible thread hijack).

Things arent all that bad in a historical sense - dont let it cloud your outlook, unlike previous generations we dont libe with the spectre of world war, civil war on our own islands and a huge, hulking menace lurking to our east (well maybe we still habe that last one...)

We are lucky to live where and when we do, i always try to remind myself of that.

[Hibbyradge]

I read something earlier which said it has to reported differently as he's still alive and able to face trial.

Good point.

[Sir David Gray]

I read something earlier which said it has to reported differently as he's still alive and able to face trial.

Very good point and a major difference in how things can be reported.

The press will have strict guidelines on what they can and can't say about this guy until he has had his trial. They won't be able to report anything which may prejudice the outcome of a trial.

With the recent attacks in Manchester and London, the suspects were deceased so that would have followed an entirely different process.

[Sylar]

I was never much of a hippy, but a lot of the news recently made me think how rubbish it is that John Lennon isn't around anymore. If we ever needed some sort of peace movement it's now. Do musicians even write about contemporary issues these days? (possible thread hijack).

A lot of the bands I listen to are very vocally active in terms of their politics and other such views. Architects are a great British example.

Your wider point is a good one though - some form of influential arts movement that harnesses a lot of the good in our society, would be a welcome injection right now. It doesn't even need to be arts I suppose, but you see what big events can do for us societally - look at the concert following Manchester. Look back to the Olympics etc...a country united and social attitudes were warm and welcoming. All we seem to have presently is anger and despair. Her Majesty was quite right - the national mood is very sombre just now.


Things arent all that bad in a historical sense - dont let it cloud your outlook, unlike previous generations we dont libe with the spectre of world war, civil war on our own islands and a huge, hulking menace lurking to our east (well maybe we still habe that last one...)

We are lucky to live where and when we do, i always try to remind myself of that.

I disagree that we don't live with a genuine spectre of war, either at home or abroad just now. Tension exists in various guises all across the world, and we're one major incident away from the chain reaction - e.g., the escalating rhetoric between Russia/Syria and the US; the continued sabre-rattling and defiance from NK; continued large-scale terror attacks at home and abroad - eventually, something will give and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see war in my lifetime. And civil war on our own islands - do you really think we're so far from that? Look at the growing levels of rage and disunity in our society - look at the polarisation between north/south, rich/poor, nationalist/unionist. Given everything that's going on in our nation just now, again, we're not far removed from the spark that could set off significant civil unrest.

I guess I'm feeling nihilistic this evening!

On another note, I see the family of this Osbourne chap are now saying he's a 'disturbed' individual, but not racist. I knew it wouldn't take long for his mental wellbeing to come under the spotlight - it's so painfully predictable.

[silverhibee]

A lot of the bands I listen to are very vocally active in terms of their politics and other such views. Architects are a great British example.

Your wider point is a good one though - some form of influential arts movement that harnesses a lot of the good in our society, would be a welcome injection right now. It doesn't even need to be arts I suppose, but you see what big events can do for us societally - look at the concert following Manchester. Look back to the Olympics etc...a country united and social attitudes were warm and welcoming. All we seem to have presently is anger and despair. Her Majesty was quite right - the national mood is very sombre just now.



I disagree that we don't live with a genuine spectre of war, either at home or abroad just now. Tension exists in various guises all across the world, and we're one major incident away from the chain reaction - e.g., the escalating rhetoric between Russia/Syria and the US; the continued sabre-rattling and defiance from NK; continued large-scale terror attacks at home and abroad - eventually, something will give and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see war in my lifetime. And civil war on our own islands - do you really think we're so far from that? Look at the growing levels of rage and disunity in our society - look at the polarisation between north/south, rich/poor, nationalist/unionist. Given everything that's going on in our nation just now, again, we're not far removed from the spark that could set off significant civil unrest.

I guess I'm feeling nihilistic this evening!

On another note, I see the family of this Osbourne chap are now saying he's a 'disturbed' individual, but not racist. I knew it wouldn't take long for his mental wellbeing to come under the spotlight - it's so painfully predictable.

Up to folk if they want to click on the link.


https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1170715/finsbury-park-mosque-terror-suspect-darren-osbornes-mum-reveals-horror-at-seeing-son-47-on-tv-as-locals-claim-was-kicked-out

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

A lot of the bands I listen to are very vocally active in terms of their politics and other such views. Architects are a great British example.

Your wider point is a good one though - some form of influential arts movement that harnesses a lot of the good in our society, would be a welcome injection right now. It doesn't even need to be arts I suppose, but you see what big events can do for us societally - look at the concert following Manchester. Look back to the Olympics etc...a country united and social attitudes were warm and welcoming. All we seem to have presently is anger and despair. Her Majesty was quite right - the national mood is very sombre just now.



I disagree that we don't live with a genuine spectre of war, either at home or abroad just now. Tension exists in various guises all across the world, and we're one major incident away from the chain reaction - e.g., the escalating rhetoric between Russia/Syria and the US; the continued sabre-rattling and defiance from NK; continued large-scale terror attacks at home and abroad - eventually, something will give and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see war in my lifetime. And civil war on our own islands - do you really think we're so far from that? Look at the growing levels of rage and disunity in our society - look at the polarisation between north/south, rich/poor, nationalist/unionist. Given everything that's going on in our nation just now, again, we're not far removed from the spark that could set off significant civil unrest.

I guess I'm feeling nihilistic this evening!

On another note, I see the family of this Osbourne chap are now saying he's a 'disturbed' individual, but not racist. I knew it wouldn't take long for his mental wellbeing to come under the spotlight - it's so painfully predictable.

You are right about the mental health point, very predictable.

I disagree about your outlook though. We arr, imo, a million miles from civil war in this country.

Yeah there will undoubtedly be foreign wars, it was ever thus, but i still feel now and here are a good time and a good place to be alive, even if it doesnt always feel like it.

[hibsbollah]

A lot of the bands I listen to are very vocally active in terms of their politics and other such views. Architects are a great British example.

Your wider point is a good one though - some form of influential arts movement that harnesses a lot of the good in our society, would be a welcome injection right now. It doesn't even need to be arts I suppose, but you see what big events can do for us societally - look at the concert following Manchester. Look back to the Olympics etc...a country united and social attitudes were warm and welcoming. All we seem to have presently is anger and despair. Her Majesty was quite right - the national mood is very sombre just now.



I disagree that we don't live with a genuine spectre of war, either at home or abroad just now. Tension exists in various guises all across the world, and we're one major incident away from the chain reaction - e.g., the escalating rhetoric between Russia/Syria and the US; the continued sabre-rattling and defiance from NK; continued large-scale terror attacks at home and abroad - eventually, something will give and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see war in my lifetime. And civil war on our own islands - do you really think we're so far from that? Look at the growing levels of rage and disunity in our society - look at the polarisation between north/south, rich/poor, nationalist/unionist. Given everything that's going on in our nation just now, again, we're not far removed from the spark that could set off significant civil unrest.

I guess I'm feeling nihilistic this evening!

On another note, I see the family of this Osbourne chap are now saying he's a 'disturbed' individual, but not racist. I knew it wouldn't take long for his mental wellbeing to come under the spotlight - it's so painfully predictable.

I've just read the article linked below, nice of The Sun to help his defence team out by constructing the 'mad not bad' plea in the minds of the jury in advance of the trial :aok:

Good point about the One Love concert in Manchester, I was surprised that I watched it with my daughter and even more surprised i found it moving and poignant, since it was designed to appeal to her generation and not mine. Hopeful.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

You are right about the mental health point, very predictable.

Quite coincidentally one of the characters on last Thursday nights ep of Quantico made a very similar comment re the reporting of similar incidents in the USA. I only watched it yesterday and this thread instantly came to mind. Life imitating art I suppose.

[CapitalGreen]

Definition of terrorism "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Definition of Hate Crime "a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence."

The Police have charged Darren Osborne with terrorism-related murder. It appears they disagree with your opinion that this was merely a hate-crime.

[Slavers]

The Police have charged Darren Osborne with terrorism-related murder. It appears they disagree with your opinion that this was merely a hate-crime.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in court but there is nothing 'merely' about hate crime, both hate crime and terrorism are both equally terrible crimes to the victim.

[CapitalGreen]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in court but there is nothing 'merely' about hate crime, both hate crime and terrorism are both equally terrible crimes to the victim.

*Victims

Unfortunately, there was multiple in this abhorrent attack.

[Slavers]

*Victims

Unfortunately, there was multiple in this abhorrent attack.

Excuse me! Yes of course and I think the government especially will view this as a terrorist attack as it will allow them to bring in more laws to combat it.