Hamilton v Dundee utd

[mjhibby]

If Dundee United go into administration in the closed season would they avoid a points penalty? I can't see their financial model withstanding another season in the Championship and it might be better to get the pain over with quickly?

Was just thinking that too. Their obviously in big trouble and don't have our crowds to help the situation. They look as if they have been paying too high wages to very average players. They will struggle to get up with Falkirk,the pars and St mirren no doubt challenging for the top spot. Feel sorry for their fans as they seem a decent bunch.

[mjhibby]

:agree: Agree. If they can keep the core of their squad together I reckon they'll win it, their form in the last few months was tremendous. Competition to win it will be fierce though next year. Any one of St Mirren, ICT, Falkirk, Dundee Utd, Morton could win the league IMO.

Wasn't impressed that much with St mirren and think it will be between Falkirk and the pars

[truehibernian]

Will be interesting to see if UTD go all in and risk it by spending big to get out of that league next year.

They'll get a good cut from the Andrew Robertson sale, and maybe a large payment if Sporting offload Gauld successfully. However there is no doubt today's result will result in jobs going at Tannadice and cuts to playing staff (I reckon).

My cash is going on Falkirk to win the title next season.

[Sas_The_Hibby]

They'll get a good cut from the Andrew Robertson sale, and maybe a large payment if Sporting offload Gauld successfully. However there is no doubt today's result will result in jobs going at Tannadice and cuts to playing staff (I reckon).

My cash is going on Falkirk to win the title next season.

Hopefully, there'll be no automatic promotion next year! :greengrin

[ekhibee]

They'll get a good cut from the Andrew Robertson sale, and maybe a large payment if Sporting offload Gauld successfully. However there is no doubt today's result will result in jobs going at Tannadice and cuts to playing staff (I reckon).

My cash is going on Falkirk to win the title next season.
Yeh, I was wondering about that. Is the Robertson deal similar to the one St Mirren got for McGinn?

Also, on Sportscene they seemed to think DU will be favourites for the championship next season. I'm just not sure that will be the case. I suppose a lot depends on the Robertson deal.

[hfc rd]

Thank you George. Always had this gut reaction that we were in some ways seesaw clubs. I can't recall a strong Hibs and United coexisting.


The only season I remember when both teams had good seasons was 09/10 when both teams qualified for Europe. They finished 3rd and won the Scottish Cup and we finished 4th.

[CMurdoch]

Fortunately most of the overpaid and under performing Dundee Utd players are out of contract this summer and should be replaced by much cheaper options to help stem the debt.
Hopefully Robertson is sold and they are able to steady the ship with their cut.
It also needs their supporters to get back on board by buying season tickets.

They may or may not get promoted next season. Like other posters I expect a season long kicking fest from Falkirk and Inverness with small outbreaks of football from Dundee Utd, St Mirren & Dunfermline.
Morton, QoS & Livingston will be in the middle of the table with the 2 part timers Brechin and Dumbarton bring up the rear.

Glad we won't be in it, I'm a patient supporter but 3 seasons was at least half a season too long for me.

[joebakerforever]

Fortunately most of the overpaid and under performing Dundee Utd players are out of contract this summer and should be replaced by much cheaper options to help stem the debt.
Hopefully Robertson is sold and they are able to steady the ship with their cut.
It also needs their supporters to get back on board by buying season tickets.

They may or may not get promoted next season. Like other posters I expect a season long kicking fest from Falkirk and Inverness with small outbreaks of football from Dundee Utd, St Mirren & Dunfermline.
Morton, QoS & Livingston will be in the middle of the table with the 2 part timers Brechin and Dumbarton bring up the rear.

Glad we won't be in it, I'm a patient supporter but 3 seasons was at least half a season too long for me.

In the patience stakes, was more than happy to swap 3 seasons in the Championship in order to end the considerably longer wait to win The Scottish Cup again.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Just so glad we're out of that league and not pondering trips to Brechin and the like. Seeing United's misery just makes me more thankful and relieved. Will be interesting to see how their crowds hold up next season.

[SirDavidsNapper]

One thing I'm not happy with is the pleasure all the Rangers fans are taking in Uniteds situation. "You voted us down"..."karma" etc...

If it makes them happy then surely there's something wrong with it.

They are irrelevant. They let their rancid club die.

[Jim44]

Keatings will be happy though

It seems his career path, by choice or otherwise, is destined to be Championship flavoured. He did say he wanted to play at the highest level, but looks like he has chosen the short straw again.

[Dashing Bob S]

It seems his career path, by choice or otherwise, is destined to be Championship flavoured. He did say he wanted to play at the highest level, but looks like he has chosen the short straw again.

If Real Madrid and Juve were fighting over his signature, Keatings -love him as I do- would still find a way to remain in the Scottish championship.

[18Hibee75]

On a scale of 1 - Hearts, how f****d are Dundee Utd? Could they afford, financially, to lose today?
Think they're now at a Glasgow Rangers

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[Borderhibbie76]

Fortunately most of the overpaid and under performing Dundee Utd players are out of contract this summer and should be replaced by much cheaper options to help stem the debt.
Hopefully Robertson is sold and they are able to steady the ship with their cut.
It also needs their supporters to get back on board by buying season tickets.

They may or may not get promoted next season. Like other posters I expect a season long kicking fest from Falkirk and Inverness with small outbreaks of football from Dundee Utd, St Mirren & Dunfermline.
Morton, QoS & Livingston will be in the middle of the table with the 2 part timers Brechin and Dumbarton bring up the rear.

Glad we won't be in it, I'm a patient supporter but 3 seasons was at least half a season too long for me.
I wouldn't write off Dumbarton so easily mate - tough tough place to go and get a result

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[G B Young]

Was just thinking that too. Their obviously in big trouble and don't have our crowds to help the situation. They look as if they have been paying too high wages to very average players. They will struggle to get up with Falkirk,the pars and St mirren no doubt challenging for the top spot. Feel sorry for their fans as they seem a decent bunch.

Fantastic as their mid-80s achievements in Europe were, United owe their status as a 'big' Scottish club entirely to Jim McLean. Without him there's a good chance they'd be a more or less permanent fixture in the lower leagues, drawing crowds of a couple of thousand.

Dundee, historically, are the city's 'establishment' club but they've been so bang average since the 60s that a lot of their potential fans have drifted to United and I think there's probably now not much difference in their respective fan bases. Dundee incidentally have now taken on our Scottish Cup hoodoo mantle, having not won it since 1910.

If you adopted a ruthless, cold-hearted approach to football in Dundee the clubs would probably do better as a merged entity.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Though I firmly believe that on field performance is and should be the only measure of where a club deserves to be ( unless you are caught cheating of course ) it has to be said that when it comes to which clubs bring more to the table there are at least 5 clubs in next years premiership I would rather see in the championship than Dundee Utd.

Part of the fun of following football is being part of decent sized crowds in a ground that can generate a decent atmosphere .... I went to East End park last season, a proper ground in Scottish terms if there ever was one ..... I would much rather watch Hibs play there or Tannadice than New Douglas park any old day of the week.

[AndyM_1875]

Thank you George. Always had this gut reaction that we were in some ways seesaw clubs. I can't recall a strong Hibs and United coexisting.

Think you'd have to go back to the mid to late 60s for that. Hibs and Dundee United both regularly competing in the Fairs Cup. Them beating Barcelona with us thrashing Napoli.

[oneone73]

Think you'd have to go back to the mid to late 60s for that. Hibs and Dundee United both regularly competing in the Fairs Cup. Them beating Barcelona with us thrashing Napoli.

Wasn't their beating Barca in the 80s? 87 iirc?

[Seekyit]

Wasn't their beating Barca in the 80s? 87 iirc?

1960s and 80s. Only team to have beaten Barcelona home and away in Europe twice I believe.

[greenlex]

Wasn't their beating Barca in the 80s? 87 iirc?

Aye but we weren't.

[G B Young]

Think you'd have to go back to the mid to late 60s for that. Hibs and Dundee United both regularly competing in the Fairs Cup. Them beating Barcelona with us thrashing Napoli.

Yes, I should qualify what I said earlier about Jim McLean being solely responsible for United's rise. Jerry Kerr in the mid-late 60s laid the groundwork by establishing them in the top flight after spending most of their time in the Second Division.

[Billy Whizz]

Yes, I should qualify what I said earlier about Jim McLean being solely responsible for United's rise. Jerry Kerr in the mid-late 60s laid the groundwork by establishing them in the top flight after spending most of their time in the Second Division.

Think we'll add a big striker, similar to Holt

[CMurdoch]

In the patience stakes, was more than happy to swap 3 seasons in the Championship in order to end the considerably longer wait to win The Scottish Cup again.

The Scottish Cup win was definately worth more than 3 years scuffing about in the middle of the SPL. Winning that trophy squared everything up for the club and the supporters.
Hopefully we can now improve our playing squad every season.
IMO our team should always be fighting for 3rd along with Aberdeen and Hearts.
At the moment Aberdeen are a little ahead of us and Hearts are well behind. However, I can see Aberdeen slipping back as they start to lose their quality players in the next 2 seasons and Hearts improving in the same timeframe. We are in good knick all round and after settling in next season (4th) should move up to 3rd the season after. IMO Losing Fyvie would be the first mistake we have made as a club in the last 3 years especially if he goes to Aberdeen or Hearts.

[Golden Bear]

The Scottish Cup win was definately worth more than 3 years scuffing about in the middle of the SPL. Winning that trophy squared everything up for the club and the supporters.
Hopefully we can now improve our playing squad every season.
IMO our team should always be fighting for 3rd along with Aberdeen and Hearts.
At the moment Aberdeen are a little ahead of us and Hearts are well behind. However, I can see Aberdeen slipping back as they start to lose their quality players in the next 2 seasons and Hearts improving in the same timeframe. We are in good knick all round and after settling in next season (4th) should move up to 3rd the season after. IMO Losing Fyvie would be the first mistake we have made as a club in the last 3 years especially if he goes to Aberdeen or Hearts.

The Dons are trying to get Christie from Celtic and Maloney is still on their radar.

[CMurdoch]

The Dons are trying to get Christie from Celtic and Maloney is still on their radar.

I really think the situation is beginning to turn on them.
They have brilliantly built their squad but losing Jack for nowt and McGinn is a big blow.
Pawlett and Taylor leaving is less of a problem.
Unfortunately there are now stories of the vultures circling over McLean, Hayes and McInnes.

[blackpoolhibs]

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[CMurdoch]

I wouldn't write off Dumbarton so easily mate - tough tough place to go and get a result

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I can't help but feel that being part time will eventually catch up with them.
Their manager Aitken has done a good job.

[Dashing Bob S]

Dundee United might struggle for a while. St Mirren and Dunfermline will be strong next year and you can always rely on Houston to linger around the top three slots like a bad smell.

[erin go bragh]

Think we'll add a big striker, similar to Holt

Like Piotr Parzyszek 6f 3 . Scored 26 goals in the Dutch 2nd tier .

[hfc rd]

Like Piotr Parzyszek 6f 3 . Scored 26 goals in the Dutch 2nd tier .


I'm sure we were linked with him just before the end of the season. Don't know if it was genuine or just journos not having a clue and linking us with x,y and z.

[oneone73]

I'm sure we were linked with him just before the end of the season. Don't know if it was genuine or just journos not having a clue and linking us with x,y and z.

I think he's z, y and z.