The Trial - Channel 4

[Pretty Boy]

A break from the politics. Anyone watch the 1st episode of this? Thoughts?

I thought it was well done and a promising start, intrigued to see how it goes. The guy playing the defendant is excellent.

[ColinNish]

Yeah, watched it today, was really good. Interesting hearing the jury "chatting" and how easily people make initial judgements.

[Pretty Boy]

Yeah, watched it today, was really good. Interesting hearing the jury "chatting" and how easily people make initial judgements.

That was my thought, especially the lad who said he definitely knew when someone was lying.

[EH6 Hibby]

I watched it and thought it was great. I'm really into True Crime and hoping to start a Criminology degree in October, so it's right up my street. I can tell I'm going to get wound up by some of The jurors though. You can tell that some of them have already decided he's guilty.

[Pretty Boy]

I watched it and thought it was great. I'm really into True Crime and hoping to start a Criminology degree in October, so it's right up my street. I can tell I'm going to get wound up by some of The jurors though. You can tell that some of them have already decided he's guilty.

The slightly bigger lady with the sunbed tan was very much in that camp. Basically anything that cast doubt on the guilt she spun so as to discount it. I'm totally undecided at the moment tbh.

[EH6 Hibby]

The slightly bigger lady with the sunbed tan was very much in that camp. Basically anything that cast doubt on the guilt she spun so as to discount it. I'm totally undecided at the moment tbh.

Yeah that's who I'm thinking of too.

I'm undecided but leaning towards innocent. I may have been listening to too many podcasts like undisclosed where it seems there has been awful miscarriages of justice though.

[ColinNish]

I love how the defence lawyer manages to twist what you've said in your evidence.

[pontius pilate]

I love how the defence lawyer manages to twist what you've said in your evidence.

That's his job though haha. I only briefly watched it but I reckon he is innocent. Be good to watch and like others have said how quickly people judge other simply because they are in the dock

[Mr White]

Haven't watched any of it but the comments so far chime with my experience of jury duty where at least half of the jurors ignored the legal instruction given regarding reasonable doubt and corroboration of evidence and made their mind up based on their own gut feeling.

[Pretty Boy]

I love how the defence lawyer manages to twist what you've said in your evidence.

I'm glad they do. It ensures the Crown do their job properly and build a proper case.

[Pretty Boy]

That woman is doing my nut in: 'I think', 'my gut feeling', ' I'm a witch'.

Shut up the actual facts are that the DNA is insufficient on it's own to prove anything beyond doubt. Your made up scenarios are irrelevant.

[EH6 Hibby]

That woman is doing my nut in: 'I think', 'my gut feeling', ' I'm a witch'.

Shut up the actual facts are that the DNA is insufficient on it's own to prove anything beyond doubt. Your made up scenarios are irrelevant.

She's winding me right up. The dark haired woman rolling her eyes was a joke.

The only one with an open mind so far is the bald guy. There may be others but that Cherry woman is hogging all the screen time.

[EH6 Hibby]

The old Bint is noising me up now.

[Pretty Boy]

Ex wife in now. This could be interesting.

[Pretty Boy]

The soldier guy is a bit annoying as well: 'I couldn't do this', 'I wouldn't think that'. Again, irrelevant.

Ex wife was a big help to the defence imo even with the slap allegation.

[EH6 Hibby]

The soldier guy is a bit annoying as well: 'I couldn't do this', 'I wouldn't think that'. Again, irrelevant.

Ex wife was a big help to the defence imo even with the slap allegation.

I agree, I thought she was good.

I'm really finding this fascinating. It seems to be turning into a men against women. I'll be interested to see if anyone changes their opinion once the defence start calling their witnesses.

Lewis's testimony will be pivotal I think.

[Pretty Boy]

I agree, I thought she was good.

I'm really finding this fascinating. It seems to be turning into a men against women. I'll be interested to see if anyone changes their opinion once the defence start calling their witnesses.

Lewis's testimony will be pivotal I think.
Deinitely a men v women element creeping in. For all the soldier started to annoy me he was a good balance to the older ladies, for a lack of a better phrase, man hating rant.

If I had to make a decision now I'd probably say not guilty. There's not been that evidence as of yet that proves guilt imo. I wonder if that will change.

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[EH6 Hibby]

Deinitely a men v women element creeping in. For all the soldier started to annoy me he was a good balance to the older ladies, for a lack of a better phrase, man hating rant.

If I had to make a decision now I'd probably say not guilty. There's not been that evidence as of yet that proves guilt imo. I wonder if that will change.

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I think at this stage you have to go for not guilty. They have not in any way proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm guessing there will be many more twists and turns to come so I'm looking forward to seeing if they can get me doubting him.

They better tell us at the end who did it. I'm sure there was a mock rape trial a few years back where they didn't tell you if the guy was innocent or guilty. I need closure.

[JeMeSouviens]

Where's Henry Fonda when you need him?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think at this stage you have to go for not guilty. They have not in any way proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm guessing there will be many more twists and turns to come so I'm looking forward to seeing if they can get me doubting him.

They better tell us at the end who did it. I'm sure there was a mock rape trial a few years back where they didn't tell you if the guy was innocent or guilty. I need closure.

According to one of the telly mags at the w-end a clip will be shown of what actually happened to Carla after the jury has delivered its verdict.

[ColinNish]

The boyfriend did it. Found out she was back having "colouring in" with her estranged husband and up the duff.

[calumhibee1]

I haven't seen this but I done jury duty for a rape case about 5 years ago. Before any evidence had been given there was a woman on the jury who declared to everyone "he done it, he just looks like a rapist". Another two women agreed, he was guilty and they'd have to prove otherwise to get them to change their minds. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. In the end he was guilty as sin but it's not the point. Scary to think that you could be one false claim away from people like that putting you in jail.

[lord bunberry]

I missed the start, but I watched the rest of it. Is this a real crime or just something that's been made up?

[pacoluna]

I missed the start, but I watched the rest of it. Is this a real crime or just something that's been made up?
made up

[Pretty Boy]

I missed the start, but I watched the rest of it. Is this a real crime or just something that's been made up?

It's made up.

There's a lot of debate about who's in on it though and the suggestion is that the jury weren't aware it wasn't a real case at the time.

[pacoluna]

It's made up.

There's a lot of debate about who's in on it though and the suggestion is that the jury weren't aware it wasn't a real case at the time.
The jury are aware which confuses me because then it is not the real reflection of a jury :confused:

[Jay]

Its causing some heated discussions in this house. My thoughts are that hes guilty but I wouldnt be convicting him on the evidence so far. Hubby says he is innocent and it was the boyfriend. His opinions changed when her past came up, swung it totally in hubbys favour. Im not so judgemental :)

[stantonhibby]

I haven't seen this but I done jury duty for a rape case about 5 years ago. Before any evidence had been given there was a woman on the jury who declared to everyone "he done it, he just looks like a rapist". Another two women agreed, he was guilty and they'd have to prove otherwise to get them to change their minds. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. In the end he was guilty as sin but it's not the point. Scary to think that you could be one false claim away from people like that putting you in jail.

Ive done jury duty a couple of times and it us scary how some folk carry on.

[EH6 Hibby]

Don't feel any further forward after tonight. Unless there is something really earth shattering still to come when the prosecution finish their cross examination, I have to say I'm still going with innocent.

Lewis turning the GPS off on his phone seems dodgy.

[Pretty Boy]

Just caught up with last nights.

The phone GPS, the boyfriend being seen in the area, his history of violence and the plauaible explanation for the DNA are all grounds for reasonable doubt as it stands imo.

Certainly more relevant points than 'I like him' or 'he's very articulate'. Seems half the jury are judging on personalities rather than facts. I could believe he did it but has it been proven conclusively thus far? Not for ne.

[lord bunberry]

Just caught up with last nights.

The phone GPS, the boyfriend being seen in the area, his history of violence and the plauaible explanation for the DNA are all grounds for reasonable doubt as it stands imo.

Certainly more relevant points than 'I like him' or 'he's very articulate'. Seems half the jury are judging on personalities rather than facts. I could believe he did it but has it been proven conclusively thus far? Not for ne.
The fact that the guy was an ex policeman makes e think he knew exactly what he was doing when he put his phone on airplane mode.
At this point I'd say that there's too many doubts for a guilty verdict

[Pretty Boy]

Just caught up with last nights.

Glad the foreman shut down all the personal stuff. It was all irrelevant nonsense and flew in the face of what the judge instructed. One persons workmate being killed by an abusive partner has no bearing on the case at hand.

It's strange because if it was gut instinct I've probably started to lean towards guilty. Based on the case presented, or the parts we have seen, however I think not guilty would be the 'correct' answer. I don't think the prosecution presented a good enough case to banish reasonable doubt.

[EH6 Hibby]

Just caught up with last nights.

Glad the foreman shut down all the personal stuff. It was all irrelevant nonsense and flew in the face of what the judge instructed. One persons workmate being killed by an abusive partner has no bearing on the case at hand.

It's strange because if it was gut instinct I've probably started to lean towards guilty. Based on the case presented, or the parts we have seen, however I think not guilty would be the 'correct' answer. I don't think the prosecution presented a good enough case to banish reasonable doubt.

Hurry up and watch tonight's. :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

Interesting ending. Not sure of the need to gender politicise it to an extent at the end though.

Ultimately I began to think he was guilty but I don't think the prosecution presented a particularly strong case, certainly not bulletproof. The only other reasonable suspect we were aware off was also a male and also showed glimpses of abuse so I don't believe my seeing flaws in the case was because the victim was a woman and the defendant a man. I believed it was one off them and didn't much like either. Even knowing the outcome based on the evidence we were given I'd still have voted not guilty.

Overall the whole show was an imperfect but interesting insight into trial by jury showing both it's flaws and it's strengths.

[EH6 Hibby]

Interesting ending. Not sure of the need to gender politicise it to an extent at the end though.

Ultimately I began to think he was guilty but I don't think the prosecution presented a particularly strong case, certainly not bulletproof. The only other reasonable suspect we were aware off was also a male and also showed glimpses of abuse so I don't believe my seeing flaws in the case was because the victim was a woman and the defendant a man. I believed it was one off them and didn't much like either. Even knowing the outcome based on the evidence we were given I'd still have voted not guilty.

Overall the whole show was an imperfect but interesting insight into trial by jury showing both it's flaws and it's strengths.

I definitely could not have convicted based on the evidence. I reckon they probably filmed two different scenarios and had he been found guilty, they'd have shown the other one.

I still think looking at Motive, Lewis had more motive than Simon.