Yams looking at safe-standing

[GlasgowHibee]

Is this not something we could be looking at also?

If memory serves me correct, Leeann was one of the original backers of the idea.

[lord bunberry]

Is this not something we could be looking at also?

If memory serves me correct, Leeann was one of the original backers of the idea.
They've obviously run out of money for seats. Tramps.

[dchibs]

Is this not something we could be looking at also?

If memory serves me correct, Leeann was one of the original backers of the idea.

They will try anything to get a bigger attendance than Easter Road.

[Scouse Hibee]

Couldn't care less what they do or what the capacity of their ground will be. They will always be Hearts, you can't polish a turd.

[Velma Dinkley]

If it's anywhere inside that death trap of a stadium it isn't likely to be safe.

[SirDavidsNapper]

They've obviously run out of money for seats. Tramps.

This

[Bostonhibby]

Standing, with a yam behind you. How can that ever be safe?

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[Deansy]

Would this 'Standing-area capacity' by sheer chance, mean that their total capacity was bigger than ER's ?

[Muzzy]

Does it increase the capacity? I thought due to the regulations for Europe you still have to have a seat built in so the capacity would stay the same?

[calumhibee1]

Does it increase the capacity? I thought due to the regulations for Europe you still have to have a seat built in so the capacity would stay the same?

I have no idea of the rules but I would think you're not allowed to cram more people into the same amount of space just due to there being no seats so I'd think you're right.

[Hermit Crab]

I have no idea of the rules but I would think you're not allowed to cram more people into the same amount of space just due to there being no seats so I'd think you're right.


2 people per 1 seat when its standing is it not??

[Hermit Crab]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170521/3edb47bc22ef00d38f0fe26b7de28a8e.png

[GlasgowHibee]

I thought the rules were a simple 1 to 1.

I'm sure that's what Celtics is, and then for European games they have to unlock them to make them seats.

Something which the bank farts will never have to worry about. :agree:

[Muzzy]

FWIW, I believe it may be something Hibs are also looking into for the future.

[GlasgowHibee]

FWIW, I believe it may be something Hibs are also looking into for the future.

More. :hyper:

[Pete]

"Deflection".

[Hermit Crab]

FWIW, I believe it may be something Hibs are also looking into for the future.


Yes, LD said it would beed to be fan funded and that it wasn't in the immediate plans though. I'm sure the figure 100-150k was mentioned.

I would do the FFL and SSL so both home and away fans get the option.

[HappyAsHellas]

Didn't think they could do safe standing at the PBS due to the rake of the terracing being too steep, although I suppose higher rails would be doable.

[Muzzy]

More. :hyper:

My friend had written to Hibs to complain about the removal of the lift facility for the FF upper next season as he goes along with his elderly Grandad. Leanne gave them a call and had a 30 minute chat and advised they were looking into the possibility of making the new singing section safe standing within the next few years. I've no idea if this is correct. Maybe one of the guys involved in the singing section would be able to confirm or deny.

[Muzzy]

Yes, LD said it would beed to be fan funded and that it wasn't in the immediate plans though. I'm sure the figure 100-150k was mentioned.

I would do the FFL and SSL so both home and away fans get the option.

Fair enough. It sounds like LD has spoken about it publicly before but sounds like it may be a few years off.

[Brunswickbill]

Every time that I have been at the PBS everyone in the "enclosure" at the front of the old stand remain standing throughout the whole game. There's maybe a backlash from season ticket holders from that section.

[worcesterhibby]

My friend had written to Hibs to complain about the removal of the lift facility for the FF upper next season as he goes along with his elderly Grandad. Leanne gave them a call and had a 30 minute chat and advised they were looking into the possibility of making the new singing section safe standing within the next few years. I've no idea if this is correct. Maybe one of the guys involved in the singing section would be able to confirm or deny.

If that's the case they will want to give the singing section at least a full season in their new home to ensure that's where they want to stay, before they did anything.

[heretoday]

Safe standing areas are just pretentious.

How about comfortable seating areas instead?

[Ross4356]

During the consultation phase before the construction of the East began it was categorically stated that if we decided on a single tier stand there could never be a standing section due to the steepness, so I've no idea why they plan to house theirs unless it's in the new stand.

[Bostonhibby]

During the consultation phase before the construction of the East began it was categorically stated that if we decided on a single tier stand there could never be a standing section due to the steepness, so I've no idea why they plan to house theirs unless it's in the new stand.
If it's the council that needed to approve ours there's why we couldn't.

If it's the council that needs to approve the yams......................

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[Salt N Sauzee]

Good on them. All clubs should have it.

[Bishop Hibee]

Good on them. All clubs should have it.

Agree.

[Ozyhibby]

It's a good idea although if the yams do it I'm sure it would have to be in their new stand. The rake of their other stands is too steep.
The ratio of Celtics is strictly 1 to 1 so there was no increase in capacity at Celtic park. It would be the same for us or the yams.
I think it's a good idea.


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[Renfrew_Hibby]

North east corner for this. Would raise capacity to over 22,000

[Captain Trips]

Its Tynecastle there is no safe anything.

[JE89]

Good on them. All clubs should have it.

First normal post on a thread full of drivel.

Agree. It's a good idea. Would love to see it at ER.

People on here read yams and immediately start throwing out insults.


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[greenginger]

According to this article Celtic spent £ 500,000 on their safe standing area.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/celtic-reveal-new-2600-capacity-safe-standing-area-with-brendan-rodgers-set-for-first-home-match-as-a7136581.html

[Peevemor]

It's a good idea although if the yams do it I'm sure it would have to be in their new stand. The rake of their other stands is too steep.
The ratio of Celtics is strictly 1 to 1 so there was no increase in capacity at Celtic park. It would be the same for us or the yams.
I think it's a good idea.


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:agree: It's basically just seats with a guardrail built into the back for the person standing behind.

[ancient hibee]

As there always has to be a seat for everyone standing it's a costly exercise for the club.

[lord bunberry]

First normal post on a thread full of drivel.

Agree. It's a good idea. Would love to see it at ER.

People on here read yams and immediately start throwing out insults.


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And your point being?

[Ozyhibby]

First normal post on a thread full of drivel.

Agree. It's a good idea. Would love to see it at ER.

People on here read yams and immediately start throwing out insults.


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Most people have been positive about it?


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[Bostonhibby]

Most people have been positive about it?


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Agree. Possible to recognise a good idea whilst sticking to the perfectly sound principle of having a go at the poppy thieves at the same time.

Like everything else they (might) do timing is everything.

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[SuperAllyMcleod]

I think their existing stands are too steep to allow safe standing, however, I can't remember the last time I sat down at a derby match, so it probably isn't beyond the realms of possibility - that said, they may have to do something to make it 'safe'.

Either way, it's going to cost them more money - just another hurdle that Budget is putting in front of Save Hearts In Trouble to slow down fan ownership perhaps?

[CMurdoch]

No increase in capacity. Waste of money.
The only positive is you could jump around to keep warm in winter.

[JE89]

And your point being?

It's boring


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[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Most people have been positive about it?


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I always thought it increased capacity - is that just the system they use in Germany?

[Peevemor]

I always thought it increased capacity - is that just the system they use in Germany?

At Celtic Park it's basically expensive seats.

18640

18641

[banarc7062]

Couldn't care less what they do or what the capacity of their ground will be. They will always be Hearts, you can't polish a turd.

:thumbsup: GGTTH

[Ozyhibby]

I always thought it increased capacity - is that just the system they use in Germany?

In Germany they don't always use safe standing. At Dortmund it is just an old fashioned terrace where the yellow wall is and they bolt seating in for Euro games. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170522/162fccb85881b83005fc09c6c5eacaad.jpg
Takes them two days to install all the seating.
You can see the brackets for it at Ozyhibby jnr's feet.

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[WhileTheChief..]

Looking at the pics at Celtic Park I can't see any reason why we couldn't buy a few hundred of them and stick them in the singing section in the FF upper.

It's not exactly going to break the bank doing a small area like this. If it works, make the entire top tier standing and get rid of the posh seats. That would increase the capacity enough to annoy our neighbours!

In an ideal world I'd do the corner between the East and FF as as been mentioned if the demand is there in the future.

[Pretty Boy]

Looking at the pics at Celtic Park I can't see any reason why we couldn't buy a few hundred of them and stick them in the singing section in the FF upper.

It's not exactly going to break the bank doing a small area like this. If it works, make the entire top tier standing and get rid of the posh seats. That would increase the capacity enough to annoy our neighbours!

In an ideal world I'd do the corner between the East and FF as as been mentioned if the demand is there in the future.

It's a costly process.

ICT looked at it a few years back and the cost for a rail seat, similar to what Celtic have, was £75 each back then. 500 seats at £75 before labour is £37500. I think Celtic paid in the region of £500K for just over 2000 seats.

It's a great idea in theory but in practice it's a lot of money for unproven gains. If there is insistence in operation on a 1 to 1 policy (as opposed to the 2 to 1 elsewhere) then there's no capacity increase which would be one of the main drivers of any scheme.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

In Germany they don't always use safe standing. At Dortmund it is just an old fashioned terrace where the yellow wall is and they bolt seating in for Euro games. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170522/162fccb85881b83005fc09c6c5eacaad.jpg
Takes them two days to install all the seating.
You can see the brackets for it at Ozyhibby jnr's feet.

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My mistake, i thought that was what celtic had.

[Ozyhibby]

My mistake, i thought that was what celtic had.

There is some rail seating but not all of it. Capacity of the yellow wall drops from 25,000 to 16,000 when the seating is in.


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[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

There is some rail seating but not all of it. Capacity of the yellow wall drops from 25,000 to 16,000 when the seating is in.


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Yeah i know their capacity dropped a lot, thats what confused me about the 1:1 chat. Sidnt realise they were two completely different things.

[Billy Whizz]

Which stand are Hearts thinking of putting it in?

[Moulin Yarns]

Which stand are Hearts thinking of putting it in?

The Castle view observation deck

[Ozyhibby]

Which stand are Hearts thinking of putting it in?

I think it has to be the new one as the rake can't be more than 25% and the three existing stands are 34%.
Some chat on kickback that it will be the Gorgie stand but I can't see how.


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[southern hibby]

I'm all for Hearts and other clubs doing this as its a great thing.


HOWEVER are they doing it so as its an excuse at a later date so they can't play European football at tynie??

Maybe someone in the know will tell me if the originally needs the seats in or can it just be like an old still standing area??? If it can be done like that then they can use the excuse that unfortunately that's why we can't play in Europe here and the inbreds will actually beLIEve it.

GGTTH

[DH1875]

I think it has to be the new one as the rake can't be more than 25% and the three existing stands are 34%.
Some chat on kickback that it will be the Gorgie stand but I can't see how.


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I thought it would be the new one because they've run out of money building it.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm all for Hearts and other clubs doing this as its a great thing.


HOWEVER are they doing it so as its an excuse at a later date so they can't play European football at tynie??

Maybe someone in the know will tell me if the originally needs the seats in or can it just be like an old still standing area??? If it can be done like that then they can use the excuse that unfortunately that's why we can't play in Europe here and the inbreds will actually beLIEve it.

GGTTH

You can play in Europe. There are still seats installed. They just get unlocked for European games.


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[Pete]

I think it has to be the new one as the rake can't be more than 25% and the three existing stands are 34%.
Some chat on kickback that it will be the Gorgie stand but I can't see how.


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Is the 25% rake thing not just for open terracing such as Dortmunds?

With the "safe" stuff everyone has a barrier in front of them anyway so why would it matter. Can't for the life of me think where but I'm sure I've seen safe standing in steep top tiers while watching foreign games...either Spain or Germany.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Kinda ironic - safety has been the last thing on their minds for 20+ years

[iwasthere1972]

Never felt safe standing in all my time of going to Tynecastle. Especially before segregation and just after seeing the 'Beware of Picketpockets' signs in and around the ground.

[RoscoHibby]

If this costs more than putting in a standard seat, there's gonna have to be a lot more bake sales and bingo in gorgie before this happens at the bus shelter...

[Keith_M]

If Safe Standing means Rails Seats, does that imply that the majority of clubs in Germany have Unsafe Standing?


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FWIW, the Allianz Arena has traditional terracing behind both goals for domestic matches and it seems safe enough to me.

[greenginger]

I think it has to be the new one as the rake can't be more than 25% and the three existing stands are 34%.
Some chat on kickback that it will be the Gorgie stand but I can't see how.


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The rake on the new stand is 32 degrees, as per the drawings.

[Keith_M]

The rake on the new stand is 32 degrees, as per the drawings.


Is there actually a set rule for allowable rake for standing areas?

[southern hibby]

You can play in Europe. There are still seats installed. They just get unlocked for European games.


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👍 thanks

GGTTH

[Captain Trips]

Standing is as safe as those whom are in charge of organising/policing it.

[Aldo]

Great idea in theory however I suspect this is being touted by them with a view to getting more through the turnstile, increasing the capacity and thus increasing revenue!

With the 1 to 1 ratio it would blow this theory out of the water however it is EDC we are talking about!

[greenginger]

Will it do away with the Yam unsafe standing areas ? :greengrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maxCFZgcgfM

[Col2]

Total deflection tactics by the yams.

Seven figure funding gap and costs increasing with more and more surprises.

Add in a debate and potential change to plans for safe standing and maybe save some money and squeeze some more out of yams while delaying project.

[Aldo]

Total deflection tactics by the yams. Seven figure funding gap and costs increasing with more and more surprises. Add in a debate and potential change to plans for safe standing and maybe save some money and squeeze some more out of yams while delaying project.

Agreed.

They will all buy into too!

[jacomo]

You can play in Europe. There are still seats installed. They just get unlocked for European games.


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Not at Tynecastle you can't.

:greengrin

[Robinho08]

Waste of time, it'll still be like a morgue at the PBS. :jamboclow

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Would it be possible to build the stand without a roof? They might just get away with it...

[StevieCowan]

There's been clubs up and down the UK looking at what Celtic introduced.

A bit of a non story tbh.

[Dashing Bob S]

If they are so keen on preserving traditions maybe they'll consider 'safe' asbestos paneling for the new stand.

[Eyrie]

There's been clubs up and down the UK looking at what Celtic introduced.

A bit of a non story tbh.

Looking doesn't cost anything but it does get positive press coverage.

[GreenCastle]

The PBS season tickets have already gone on sale for next season so it won't happen for next season.

In future who knows - but I think they have missed a trick when building the new stand to have some installed or to relocate fans.

I would like Hibs to trial it in north upper even just in section 25.

Regarding Celtics section - as far as I'm aware it was a success this season - will they extend it or ? Plus Euro games looked like still standing so not sure if Dortmund / Bayern change for these games ?

[GreenCastle]

The PBS season tickets have already gone on sale for next season so it won't happen for next season.

In future who knows - but I think they have missed a trick when building the new stand to have some installed or to relocate fans.

I would like Hibs to trial it in north upper even just in section 25.

Regarding Celtics section - as far as I'm aware it was a success this season - will they extend it or ? Plus Euro games looked like still standing so not sure if Dortmund / Bayern change for these games ?

[Hermit Crab]

The PBS season tickets have already gone on sale for next season so it won't happen for next season.

In future who knows - but I think they have missed a trick when building the new stand to have some installed or to relocate fans.

I would like Hibs to trial it in north upper even just in section 25.

Regarding Celtics section - as far as I'm aware it was a success this season - will they extend it or ? Plus Euro games looked like still standing so not sure if Dortmund / Bayern change for these games ?


Uefa laws ban terracing in their comps but the fans still stand even though the seats are unlocked. Uefa don't like that either and I'm sure Man utd got into bother for that a few years ago as the Stratford end stood throughout games, they were threatened with a fine, points deduction or a section of the ground to be closed down for a set number of games iirc.

[Just Alf]

Uefa laws ban terracing in their comps but the fans still stand even though the seats are unlocked. Uefa don't like that either and I'm sure Man utd got into bother for that a few years ago as the Stratford end stood throughout games, they were threatened with a fine, points deduction or a section of the ground to be closed down for a set number of games iirc.
How's it the club's fault that loads of fans decide to stand? How could it be policed?


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[green&left]

Uefa laws ban terracing in their comps but the fans still stand even though the seats are unlocked. Uefa don't like that either and I'm sure Man utd got into bother for that a few years ago as the Stratford end stood throughout games, they were threatened with a fine, points deduction or a section of the ground to be closed down for a set number of games iirc.

Man Utd were facing a closure of the Stretford Upper from Manchester City Council due them considering to not renew a safety certificate for that stand due to persistent standing, was nothing to do with Uefa. You watch Uefa games on TV in Turkey or Naples and three quarters of the ground are stood, like wise you'll have whole ends standing at the likes of Bayern and Dortmund, Juve and Roma, Legia, Ajax, PAOK, Sporting etc etc.


Uefa's ban on standing places is ludicrous. Brondby away this season had to close their terraced sections, but could have their fans standing in front of seats in an upper tier. Failing to see the logic in that one.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Man Utd were facing a closure of the Stretford Upper from Manchester City Council due them considering to not renew a safety certificate for that stand due to persistent standing, was nothing to do with Uefa. You watch Uefa games on TV in Turkey or Naples and three quarters of the ground are stood, like wise you'll have whole ends standing at the likes of Bayern and Dortmund, Juve and Roma, Legia, Ajax, PAOK, Sporting etc etc.


Uefa's ban on standing places is ludicrous. Brondby away this season had to close their terraced sections, but could have their fans standing in front of seats in an upper tier. Failing to see the logic in that one.

More opps to sell overpriced tickets to corporates?
In the main the authorities are Ruining the game.
New Order called it "Power, corruption and lies"

[LancashireHibby]

Man Utd were facing a closure of the Stretford Upper from Manchester City Council due them considering to not renew a safety certificate for that stand due to persistent standing, was nothing to do with Uefa. You watch Uefa games on TV in Turkey or Naples and three quarters of the ground are stood, like wise you'll have whole ends standing at the likes of Bayern and Dortmund, Juve and Roma, Legia, Ajax, PAOK, Sporting etc etc.


Uefa's ban on standing places is ludicrous. Brondby away this season had to close their terraced sections, but could have their fans standing in front of seats in an upper tier. Failing to see the logic in that one.
*Trafford Borough Council, not Manchester City Council :wink: