Predict the GE outcome

[Hibbyradge]

As it says, what do you think will be the result on June 8?

[marinello59]

Maybe we could predict how many seperate GE related threads you are going to start. :greengrin

[Just Jimmy]

Tory landslide. Sadly.

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[High-On-Hibs]

For Labour, I predict..... pain.

Their hardened stance against Scottish independence, abandoning one of their parties core values will see them completely wiped out in Scotland. Trying to compete with the tories on "unity" is a huge error of judgement.

I expect the SNP will still take around 45% of the vote, causing them to lose 3-4 seats to the tories. The tories will then try and claim that 50+ seats out of 59 is a clear sign that there is no appetite for independence in Scotland...

I can see things about to get a lot crazier.

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe we could predict how many seperate GE related threads you are going to start. :greengrin

If I'm not mistaken, this is only my second. :na na:

[SHODAN]

Tory victory of >100 and an exodus from Britain of unskilled migrants (forced), skilled migrants and high income earners as the Brexit "deal" becomes clear over the next few years.

[marinello59]

If I'm not mistaken, this is only my second. :na na:

So far. :greengrin

[steakbake]

I have a feeling it'll be a hung parliament or that the Tories won't get the majority they are hoping for. Whether that is hope or expectation, I don't know but I had the same feeling with Trump and it is also roughly the same odds.

Up here, I expect SNP on 46+ seats.

[lucky]

I have a feeling it'll be a hung parliament or that the Tories won't get the majority they are hoping for. Whether that is hope or expectation, I don't know but I had the same feeling with Trump and it is also roughly the same odds.

Up here, I expect SNP on 46+ seats.

Ive the same feeling. Only difference SNP to be below 45 seats

[GlesgaeHibby]

I have a feeling it'll be a hung parliament or that the Tories won't get the majority they are hoping for. Whether that is hope or expectation, I don't know but I had the same feeling with Trump and it is also roughly the same odds.

Up here, I expect SNP on 46+ seats.

:agree: Corbyn is starting to build momentum and a lot of their manifesto policies resonate with the electorate. Probably too little too late, but I live in hope. Probably a Tory Majority of around 30-40 (or worse, I fear).

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

The tories will do very well. Remember polls historically underestinate tory support, and most parties get a wee boost around their manifesto time, due to increased exposure and coverage.

Snp will lose vote share but keep most seats - easily 40+

I think the Lib Dems will do ok, and will raise their votr share and win a few more seats.

Cant see Labour doing anything but heamorhaging votes, and losing a fair few seats.

[steakbake]

:agree: Corbyn is starting to build momentum and a lot of their manifesto policies resonate with the electorate. Probably too little too late, but I live in hope. Probably a Tory Majority of around 30-40 (or worse, I fear).

Another day, another 3% in the gap closed between Tories and Labour nationally. I would almost say that the manifesto is enough for me to want to vote for them.

If they weren't so die hard on the constitution OR if their take was that they're agnostic on Scottish independence but want to engage in a positive vision for the union with meaningful federalism, I might be convinced.

[Hibbyradge]

So far. :greengrin

:hilarious

[GlesgaeHibby]

Another day, another 3% in the gap closed between Tories and Labour nationally. I would almost say that the manifesto is enough for me to want to vote for them.

If they weren't so die hard on the constitution OR if their take was that they're agnostic on Scottish independence but want to engage in a positive vision for the union with meaningful federalism, I might be convinced.

Agree, Corbyn is infuriating at times. His opposition to the 2nd referendum and his 3 line whip on Brexit is ludicrous. It angered me that he voted with the Tories on Brexit and then said the battle starts now. But, I can't help but like the guy and admire the way that even with the full weight of the media and half his party against him he has the strength to carry on in the job and continue building support. Like you say, the manifesto is almost enough to make you want to vote for them. Ideal scenario would be a hung parliament and a Labour/SNP coalition, but reckon the movement in the polls is probably too late for Labour and we're stuck with a Tory majority for at least another 5 years.

[Stranraer]

A huge 100+ Tory majority I fear.

[Just Alf]

Another day, another 3% in the gap closed between Tories and Labour nationally. I would almost say that the manifesto is enough for me to want to vote for them.

If they weren't so die hard on the constitution OR if their take was that they're agnostic on Scottish independence but want to engage in a positive vision for the union with meaningful federalism, I might be convinced.

Would agree with all that, listening to Kezia's party political thingy on the radio yesterday I thought it was the best one I'd heard this year.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Another day, another 3% in the gap closed between Tories and Labour nationally. I would almost say that the manifesto is enough for me to want to vote for them.

If they weren't so die hard on the constitution OR if their take was that they're agnostic on Scottish independence but want to engage in a positive vision for the union with meaningful federalism, I might be convinced.

Federalism was in their manifesto i think?

[RyeSloan]

The Tories will win easily I reckon

It's a strange election with the parties seemingly tripping over themselves to throw money around that they don't have.

Labours manifesto is just bizarre but then I expected nothing else

Lib Dems want to subsidise bus travel for 16 - 21 year olds...really wtf?

The Tories don't really seem to have any fresh ideas but considering the nonsense the rest of them have come out with that's probably good enough to win by a mile.

[danhibees1875]

Federalism was in their manifesto i think?

They outright oppose a second referendum though, which a lot of people wouldn't have wanted to see.
They obviously can't come out as being for one now/soon or they would lose a lot of the support that their manifesto has built.

What they should have done IMO is they could have made it more clear that there is a time and a place for one in the future if the desire is clearly evident. I actually don't think Ruth Davidsons arguement of 30 years (a generation, dare I say) is that unreasonable all things considered.

This seems the most appropriate thread for this question; how many other parties have released their 2017 manifestos?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I could be proved very wrong, but I still think there is the potential of a fairly close election, with a Tory majority of 30-40. Labour are at least trying to offer positive alternatives to perpetual austerity, and, despite the best efforts of the Tory press and TV pundits, it is resonating with a lot of people. If we can look at the policies and get away from the glib nonsense about Corbyn being scruffy, Labour's manifesto gives some hope to many people who currently feel the system doesn't care about them.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

They outright oppose a second referendum though, which a lot of people wouldn't have wanted to see.
They obviously can't come out as being for one now/soon or they would lose a lot of the support that their manifesto has built.

What they should have done IMO is they could have made it more clear that there is a time and a place for one in the future if the desire is clearly evident. I actually don't think Ruth Davidsons arguement of 30 years (a generation, dare I say) is that unreasonable all things considered.

This seems the most appropriate thread for this question; how many other parties have released their 2017 manifestos?

Yeah thats a fair shout - and actually the sensible position to take.

[Hibbyradge]

If Corbyn's manifesto achieves anything, it will be to slow the tide of Labour voters deserting the party.

Some of the sentiments are appealing if you're left leaning, and I'm not sure if there's enough to persuade the don't knows, but it won't win over the Tory voters that Labour needs if it is to close the gap.

The Tory manifesto is, no doubt, being tweaked right now and any lingering afterglow from Corbys love in will probably vanish after the launch tomorrow.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

If Corbyn's manifesto achieves anything, it will be to slow the tide of Labour voters deserting the party.

Some of the sentiments are appealing if you're left leaning, and I'm not sure if there's enough to persuade the don't knows, but it won't win over the Tory voters that Labour needs if it is to close the gap.

The Tory manifesto is, no doubt, being tweaked right now and any lingering afterglow from Corbys love in will probably vanish after the launch tomorrow.

Ive always thought its a masdive advantage to go last in these things - same with the party conferences.

[Sir David Gray]

I don't know where the idea of this election being close is coming from. I honestly just don't see it.

For me Labour will be wiped out even further in England and they've already only got the one MP in Scotland after the 2015 vote and I don't see them improving much on that (if at all).

I think the Conservatives will win at a canter.

[Hibbyradge]

Ive always thought its a masdive advantage to go last in these things - same with the party conferences.

It's a huge advantage.

[Moulin Yarns]

of all the polls YouGov use use much larger samples than the others. Whether this makes them any more accurate is anyone's guess.

https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/

[Just Alf]

of all the polls YouGov use use much larger samples than the others. Whether this makes them any more accurate is anyone's guess.

https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/
I see when I drill down to my local constituency the SNP and LibDems are neck in neck, wonder what it would look like if the Democrats leader didn't seem to grate on so many people with his campaigning style. Would definitely be one in the bag for them I'd guess, so would be one chipped away from the SNP total.


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[pontius pilate]

South west edinburgh between SNP and the Tories for knows who would vote for the Tories in south west. Apart from Balerno Baberton and possibly craiglockart

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

South west edinburgh between SNP and the Tories for knows who would vote for the Tories in south west. Apart from Balerno Baberton and possibly craiglockart

Colinton too - big tory country

[Glory Lurker]

Seven polls due out tonight. Two so far. One opening possibility of hung parliament (but with Tory lead of 6). Second 12% Tory lead. Fair to say there might be something for everyone!

[Colr]

Seven polls due out tonight. Two so far. One opening possibility of hung parliament (but with Tory lead of 6). Second 12% Tory lead. Fair to say there might be something for everyone!

I don't think May deserves a big majority.

[Glory Lurker]

I don't think May deserves a big majority.

I don't think she deserves any!

[ronaldo7]

Tories by 25. We'll get what England wants again.

[Colr]

Tories by 25. We'll get what England wants again.

How many seats are Labour down in Scotland?

i make it 40 from 2010. So, if the Tories get a 5 seat majority, you could argue that the shift to the SNP help hand it to them.

[ronaldo7]

How many seats are Labour down in Scotland?

i make it 40 from 2010. So, if the Tories get a 5 seat majority, you could argue that the shift to the SNP help hand it to them.

Labour had 1 in Scotland the last time. The tories will increase their lead in England IMO. Great spin though.:greengrin

[steakbake]

Hung parliament.

[blaikie]

Survation poll shows a point between tories and labour ... hung parliament!

[Hibbyradge]

Tories by 25. We'll get what England wants again.

You hope.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I still say Tory majority of around forty. It's a tough yin: some polls are saying hung parliament, but others are predicting a Tory majority over a hundred!

[ronaldo7]

You hope.

Nope, I want a hung parliament with Labour getting one more seat than the Tories, with the SNP winning in Scotland.

[GlesgaeHibby]

How many seats are Labour down in Scotland?

i make it 40 from 2010. So, if the Tories get a 5 seat majority, you could argue that the shift to the SNP help hand it to them.

In a scenario where the tories have a 5 seat majority it doesn't matter how many seats labour or the SNP have - would just rearrange the opposition numbers.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What I wouldn't give to hear Dimbleby say at 10 p.m. "the BBC exit poll predicts a hung parliament" :greengrin

Not gonna happen.

[Colr]

What I wouldn't give to hear Dimbleby say at 10 p.m. "the BBC exit poll predicts a hung parliament" :greengrin

Not gonna happen.

More turmoil! Just what we need!

[JeMeSouviens]

More turmoil! Just what we need!

Rather have turmoil than Tories. Especially this particular mob. Cameron/Osborne seems like a dream ticket in hindsight. :rolleyes:

[GlesgaeHibby]

What I wouldn't give to hear Dimbleby say at 10 p.m. "the BBC exit poll predicts a hung parliament" :greengrin

Not gonna happen.

Here's hoping. A fairly new pollster, Qriously, released their final poll showing a 3pt lead for Labour. Interestingly they were the only pollsters to call Brexit in their final poll before the referendum, called the Dutch election result correctly, and they got the Turkish referendum result pretty much spot on. Would love to see May's face when she has to resign if it's a hung parliament.

[matty_f]

Really hoping for a Labour win, cannot stand the Tories or what they stand for. The thought of May getting her jotters has kept me going all day.

[Colr]

Rather have turmoil than Tories. Especially this particular mob. Cameron/Osborne seems like a dream ticket in hindsight. :rolleyes:

The thing about turmoil is you don't know what you're going to get - or was that a box of chocolates?

[steakbake]

Here's hoping. A fairly new pollster, Qriously, released their final poll showing a 3pt lead for Labour. Interestingly they were the only pollsters to call Brexit in their final poll before the referendum, called the Dutch election result correctly, and they got the Turkish referendum result pretty much spot on. Would love to see May's face when she has to resign if it's a hung parliament.

Hung parliament would be immense. Brexit, accepting that it will have to happen, would far better be done if all the parties had to chip in to making it work, rather than pursuing the wet dreams of people like IDS, Fox and Gove.

Can't see it happening, I'll be honest. I think the Tories will have something between a 30 and 60 majority.

[PeeJay]

Think Labour will probably have a bigger or improved percentage of its vote, but it won't be equally materialsied in seats, the Tories will probably pick up the marginal seats and govern with a reduced majority, a hung Parliament would be the worst of all possible outcomes, particularly with Brexit negotiations coming up - whatever happens tonight the UK will be in a worse position that it already was ...

[lord bunberry]

What I wouldn't give to hear Dimbleby say at 10 p.m. "the BBC exit poll predicts a hung parliament" :greengrin

Not gonna happen.

I'd love to hear that. I've got 22/1 on an SNP/Labour coalition.

[heretoday]

Tories will win but without a working majority.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Tories will win but without a working majority.

That would be a magnificent result. A progressive coalition of Labour, Lib Dem, SNP, Plaid, Green, SDLP. But, as all those parties oppose Brexit, it would get very messy!

[Smartie]

I'd love to hear that. I've got 22/1 on an SNP/Labour coalition.

I saw your post and went out and stuck a couple of quid on the same outcome at the same odds.

Fingers crossed.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Went for a Tory majority of between 1 and 20. The opinion polls have closed rapidly since May saw her chance to grab power for another 4 years and tried to kid the public that she was looking for a mandate to negotiate 'brexit' instead of what we all know it was, just opportunism based on a huge lead in the polls over Labour that she couldn't miss the chance to take advantage of.

I think the SNP will lose a few seats to the Tories, but in all honesty considering the unimaginable result they had last time it was highly unlikely they were ever going to replicate such a winning margin again, no matter how the political landscape was shaping when an election was called ... if they can keep losses to under 10 seats IMO they can still call that a very decent result.

My constituency in the Borders is a marginal, won by the SNP for the first time by about 300 votes over the Tories after being Liberal / Lib Dem for decades. Before that it was always Tory and I cant help thinking there's a chance it could go back to them because even though we are in the 21st century there has always been a bit of the old forelock tugging to the upper classes around here :greengrin

The one thing the Tories will be happy about is the weather, its pretty well established that turnouts are affected by bad weather and like it or not a low turnout always favours the Conservatives.

I cant see Labour winning, but I would love to see a hung parliament with the SNP holding the balance of power which though unlikely isn't outwith the bounds of possibility :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

I saw your post and went out and stuck a couple of quid on the same outcome at the same odds.

Fingers crossed.
Here's hoping.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Here's hoping. A fairly new pollster, Qriously, released their final poll showing a 3pt lead for Labour. Interestingly they were the only pollsters to call Brexit in their final poll before the referendum, called the Dutch election result correctly, and they got the Turkish referendum result pretty much spot on. Would love to see May's face when she has to resign if it's a hung parliament.

They arent pollsters i dont think. Just an internet survey company.

[Hibrandenburg]

That would be a magnificent result. A progressive coalition of Labour, Lib Dem, SNP, Plaid, Green, SDLP. But, as all those parties oppose Brexit, it would get very messy!

Hope it happens, mainly because I predicted similar the day after the brexit vote. My prediction has been spot on up until now.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The ten people who predicted a hung parliament should take a bow; that was a great call :not worth

I didn't see that coming at all. I thought my prediction of a 40 seat Tory majority might have been too low!

[Beefster]

The ten people who predicted a hung parliament should take a bow; that was a great call :not worth

I didn't see that coming at all. I thought my prediction of a 40 seat Tory majority might have been too low!

11. I've finished my analysis and called it as a hung parliament!

[Hibernia&Alba]

11. I've finished my analysis and called it as a hung parliament!

Aye okay :greengrin

[PeeJay]

Good result by the Exit poll team (that surprised me) - bad result for the UK (no surprise there)...

[Glory Lurker]

The ten people who predicted a hung parliament should take a bow; that was a great call :not worth

I didn't see that coming at all. I thought my prediction of a 40 seat Tory majority might have been too low!

I'm one of them! Mind you, as anyone who has read my contributions to this forum knows, I am always correct about political matters. Best just agree with everything I say :-)

[ronaldo7]

Well, that was an interesting evening.

SNP took a bit of a bashing, and a couple of big beasts removed from WM. Never seen the Tories gaining as much in Scotland, so, it's back to the grindstone and roll those sleeves up. Until the next time.:greengrin

I wonder how long the Tories will give Theresa, and whether Indyref2 is now a longer game than originally planned?

[marinello59]

May has just given a speech that seems to have totally ignored what happened last night. This won't end well.

[degenerated]

May has just given a speech that seems to have totally ignored what happened last night. This won't end well.
Not with the DUP pulling the strings it won't. Their manifesto is literally the new testament with fortnightly bin collections

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[marinello59]

Not with the DUP pulling the strings it won't. There manifesto is literally the new testament with fortnightly bin collections

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If the price tag for any deal is too high her own party is going to drag her down.

[degenerated]

If the price tag for any deal is too high her own party is going to drag her down.
Will she care if the price tag only applies in northern Ireland though?

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[BroxburnHibee]

May has just given a speech that seems to have totally ignored what happened last night. This won't end well.

Nope. DUP will insist on a soft Brexit. Tory backbenchers and the Tory heartlands will be furious with that outcome.

She'll need cross party support to get a Brexit plan endorsed. I cant believe shes got the stomach for that fight given her performance over the last few weeks.

[marinello59]

Nope. DUP will insist on a soft Brexit. Tory backbenchers and the Tory heartlands will be furious with that outcome.

She'll need cross party support to get a Brexit plan endorsed. I cant believe shes got the stomach for that fight given her performance over the last few weeks.

She looked broken at her count last night and was like a robot when she gave that speech.

[BroxburnHibee]

She looked broken at her count last night and was like a robot when she gave that speech.

Senior Tories not giving any interviews.

She's toast in my opinion.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/873145672672968704/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Flive%2 Felection-2017-40171454

[Mon Dieu4]

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/873145672672968704/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Flive%2 Felection-2017-40171454

It's amazing how I've warmed to Osborne since he became an editor :faf:

[Mikey]

Not with the DUP pulling the strings it won't. Their manifesto is literally the new testament with fortnightly bin collections

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That would be an improvement for a lot of people!

[Hibbyradge]

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/873145672672968704/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Flive%2 Felection-2017-40171454

See that there?

That's schadenfreude, that is. Schadenfreude. :hilarious

[lord bunberry]

I'm feeling pretty gutted that the tories are still in power due to the extra seats won in Scotland. There was a chance to get rid of them and it wasn't taken.
Democracy is **** sometimes :greengrin

[Colr]

I'm feeling pretty gutted that the tories are still in power due to the extra seats won in Scotland. There was a chance to get rid of them and it wasn't taken.
Democracy is **** sometimes :greengrin

Used to be that Scottish Labour MPs kept Labour in place now its Scottish Tories doing the same for the Conservatives. Scottish MPs seem to be the power brokers in Westminster!!

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Used to be that Scottish Labour MPs kept Labour in place now its Scottish Tories doing the same for the Conservatives. Scottish MPs seem to be the power brokers in Westminster!!

But high-on-hibs keeps saying scots MPs have no influence at Westminster?

[lord bunberry]

Used to be that Scottish Labour MPs kept Labour in place now its Scottish Tories doing the same for the Conservatives. Scottish MPs seem to be the power brokers in Westminster!!

They are, the 12 seats gained in Scotland has tipped the balance in their favour.

[McD]

But high-on-hibs keeps saying scots MPs have no influence at Westminster?


Except that by voting Labour, to stop IndyRef2, they've really handed power to the Tories, but all because they blindly hate the SNP, because they're all unionists...:wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Not with the DUP pulling the strings it won't. Their manifesto is literally the new testament with fortnightly bin collections

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:top marks

[snooky]

She looked broken at her count last night and was like a robot when she gave that speech.

Exterminate! Exterminate!

[cabbageandribs1875]

anyone else put a bet on with bet365 (or elsewhere) on May still being the PM after the election.... the bets lying 'unsettled' and they're stalling on paying out :confused: or do they think she will resign in the next few days...or whit :grr:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Except that by voting Labour, to stop IndyRef2, they've really handed power to the Tories, but all because they blindly hate the SNP, because they're all unionists...:wink:

Did labour not do well last night then? I must habe dreamed that.

[Mibbes Aye]

Not really a political point but I read that this is the first Parliament where the majority of MPs went to state comprehensive schools.

[Glory Lurker]

Used to be that Scottish Labour MPs kept Labour in place now its Scottish Tories doing the same for the Conservatives. Scottish MPs seem to be the power brokers in Westminster!!


But high-on-hibs keeps saying scots MPs have no influence at Westminster?

Could you please give me a list of the times that Labour took power without winning a majority of seats in England and Wales?

[Mibbes Aye]

Could you please give me a list of the times that Labour took power without winning a majority of seats in England and Wales?

New Labour didn't need Scottish MPs to secure their majorities in general elections.

They did over-represent Scottish MPs in Cabinet positions, if it was meant to be pro rata though :greengrin

That's probably not popular with the Nat posters on here, they will be on about Iraq or something in a second.......

[Glory Lurker]

New Labour didn't need Scottish MPs to secure their majorities in general elections.

They did over-represent Scottish MPs in Cabinet positions, if it was meant to be pro rata though :greengrin

That's probably not popular with the Nat posters on here, they will be on about Iraq or something in a second.......

Feel free to answer the question I asked any time you fancy.

[Mibbes Aye]

Feel free to answer the question I asked any time you fancy.

I think I'm in agreement with your point?

Regardless, I would be steering you to Google or Wikipedia :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

They are, the 12 seats gained in Scotland has tipped the balance in their favour.

I love how Nicola Sturgeon has spent the last 2 years since the last election telling us that we need independence because Scotland's being ruled by a party that we didn't vote for and now the Scottish vote has actually helped keep the Conservatives in power!

Has she made any comment on this yet!?

[ronaldo7]

The price of a DUP pact.:greengrin

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[cabbageandribs1875]

rumours May was up all night learning the words to 'derry's walls' and in future speeches she has to pause 2 mins from the end to sing GSTQ

[Hibernia&Alba]

rumours May was up all night learning the words to 'derry's walls' and in future speeches she has to pause 2 mins from the end to sing GSTQ

With a name like Theresa, she will have to earn the DUP's trust. There's a whiff of Rome about her :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

With a name like Theresa, she will have to earn the DUP's trust. There's a whiff of Rome about her :greengrin


not for the first time i missed a trick there :agree: tess/tessy it will most likely be


after a quick google, her middle name is 'Mary'

[Hibernia&Alba]

not for the first time i missed a trick there :agree: tess/tessy it will most likely be


after a quick google, her middle name is 'Mary'

She's toast :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Petition to oppose a Tory minority government with DUP support

https://www.change.org/p/may-out-no-coalition-with-the-d-u-p?recruiter=731738378&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

[Moulin Yarns]

A wee bit about the minority governments new stooges.

Gregory Lloyd Campbell - In November 2014, Campbell became embroiled in a controversy after parodying the Irish language while addressing the Northern Ireland Assembly. Mocking the nationalist MLAs' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_Legislative_Assembly_(Northern_Irela nd)) tradition of beginning addressing the Assembly with the Irish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language) words "go raibh maith agat, Ceann Comhairle" ("thank you, Speaker"), he opened a question about minority language policy saying "curry my yoghurt, can coca coalyer", an anglicised (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglicisation) corruption of the Irish. Campbell was unwilling to apologise, and was temporarily censured.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Campbell_(politician)#cite_note-13) He said at the DUP's annual conference later that month: "On behalf of our party let me say clearly, and slowly so that Caitríona Ruane and Gerry Adams understand, we will never agree to an Irish Language Act at Stormont and we will treat their entire wish list as no more than toilet paper." He made the comments in spite of his party consenting to the St. Andrews Agreement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Andrews_Agreement) which explicitly stated the government would introduce an Irish Language Act similar to that in Wales (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Language_Act_1993).

Sir Jeffrey Mark Donaldson - In 2009, The Daily Telegraph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph) reported that Donaldson had repaid £555 claimed for pay-to-view films in overnight hotel stays. In total, Donaldson submitted claim forms, including receipts, for 68 pay-to-view movies.
Hotel sources confirmed that films he put on his expenses during 2004 and 2005 were in the highest price category offered to guests, covering the latest blockbusters and adult movies.
Donaldson issued an official statement denying watching any content of an adult or pornographic nature. He is a member of the Orange Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Institution) and is a supporter of Scottish football club Rangers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.)

Nigel Alexander Dodds - At the Twelfth of July (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelfth_of_July) 2013 Orange order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_order) parades, Dodds was knocked unconscious at Woodvale Avenue in the Greater Shankill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Shankill) area of North Belfast by a brick thrown by fellow Ulster loyalists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_loyalist) rioting against
Police Service of Northern Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Service_of_Northern_Ireland) roadblocks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadblock). The violence broke out following the decision by the Parades Commission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parades_Commission) to bar Orangemen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order) from walking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_walk) past the Irish republican (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_republican) Ardoyne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardoyne) area.
Dodds had been expelled from the House of Commons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom) chamber (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Westminster#Commons_Chamber) for using unparliamentary language (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unparliamentary_language) by Speaker John Bercow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bercow) on 10 July 2013, after Dodds had refused to withdraw his accusation that the Conservative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)) Secretary of State
for Northern Ireland Theresa Villiers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_Villiers) was being "deliberately deceptive" in answering questions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_question) about her powers in respect of what he called the "outrageous" Parades Commission ruling. Dodds is a supporter of Scottish football club Rangers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.)

Paul Girvan - In 2003, he was elected to the Northern Ireland Assembly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Assembly), representing South Antrim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Antrim_(Assembly_constituency)). He was deselected by the DUP in South Antrim in 2007, but returned to the Assembly in 2010 when he was selected to replace
William McCrea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McCrea_(politician)) following his resignation

[Moulin Yarns]

Ian Richard Kyle Paisley Jr - In 2005, Paisley came under some criticism for his beliefs about same-sex marriages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage). Upon learning that David Trimble (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Trimble)'s aide, Steven King, had married his partner in Canada, Paisley was quoted as saying, "It is really astounding that David Trimble should have had a man such as this giving him advice – and must surely cast grave doubts on his own political judgement. I think these sorts of relationships are immoral, offensive and obnoxious."Paisley caused further controversy in May 2007 when, in an interview with journalist Jason O'Toole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_O%27Toole_(journalist)) in Hot Press (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Press) magazine, he said that "I am pretty repulsed [sic] by gay and lesbianism. I think it is wrong. I think that those people harm themselves and – without caring about it – harm society. That doesn't mean to say that I hate them – I mean, I hate what they do."

Emma Little-Pengelly - Emma Little-Pengelly is the daughter of the loyalist activist Noel Little. He was absent from her life between the ages of nine and eleven following an arrest for arms trafficking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Resistance#Arrests_in_Paris).

Gavin Robinson - He won the constituency of Belfast East (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_East_(UK_Parliament_constituency)) for the Democratic Unionist Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party), defeating the incumbent Naomi Long (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Long) of the Alliance Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Party_of_Northern_Ireland), to become a Member of Parliament in the 2015 UK General Election.

Richard James Shannon - He is a member of the Orange Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order) and Apprentice Boys of Derry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprentice_Boys_of_Derry) In 2016, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Parliamentary_Standards_Authority) announced it was launching a formal investigation into Shannon's expenses. In 2015, he was the highest-claiming MP out of 650, claiming £205,798, not including travel

Thomas David Simpson - Simpson is a member of the Orange Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order), in which he is Deputy Master of Loughgall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall) District. He is a proponent of creationism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism), and his former election agent and constituency assistant, David McConaghie, who had played a key role in Simpson's 2005 election victory, was until late 2012 a prominent spokesperson for the Caleb Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Foundation) which represented creationist and socially conservative evangelical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism) Protestant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism) views.
He spoke and voted against the UK Government's Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill in February 2013 stating that "this is not the jurisdiction of this house [...] this is an ordained constitution of God, and that'll end in 'In the garden of Eden it was Adam and Eve it wasn't Adam and Steve.'" The Bill covers England and Wales (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_and_Wales) as family law is devolved in Northern Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland).

Samuel Wilson - Wilson served as Lord Mayor of Belfast between June 2000 and June 2001. During his time as Mayor, the Andersonstown News (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonstown_News) set up a website to highlight Wilson's "naked sectarianism". The site included such quotes from Wilson as: "The GAA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_Athletic_Association) is the sporting wing of the IRA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army)"; "I don't care if [gays] are ratepayers. As far as I am concerned they are perverts"; "Taigs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taig) don't pay rates"; and "They [Sinn Féin voters in the Oldpark area of Belfast] are sub-human animals". The Andersonstown News had challenged Wilson to take legal action if he felt he was being misrepresented. He did not. The website voluntarily shut down when he ended his tenure as Mayor

His appointment and tenure as Environment Minister were heavily criticised by environmental groups. Wilson believes that man-made climate change (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-made_climate_change) is a "myth based on dodgy science" and "an hysterical pseudo-religion." He says that "reasoned debate must replace the scaremongering of the green climate alarmists" and "resources should be used to adapt to the consequences of climate change, rather than King Canute-style vainly trying to stop it". This, along with his opposition to the creation of an independent environmental protection agency and his support for nuclear power, led the Green Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_in_Northern_Ireland) to condemn Wilson's "deeply irresponsible message" and give him the 'Green Wash' award for being the MLA most likely to damage the environment. Wilson's beliefs on climate change have been likened to "a cigarette salesman denying that smoking causes cancer" by John Woods of Friends of the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth), who added that "Ironically, if we listen to him Northern Ireland will suffer economically as we are left behind by smarter regions who are embracing the low carbon economy of the future".
Wilson came under renewed criticism in February 2009 when he blocked the broadcast of climate change advertisements on television, calling them part of an "insidious propaganda campaign". He also stated "that future ecological messages could only be promoted in Northern Ireland with his permission". New Scientist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Scientist) magazine stated that despite the minister's comments, "the overwhelming majority of scientists do agree that there is a greater than 90% chance that the rate at which we burn fossil fuels is driving climate change".

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Ian Richard Kyle Paisley Jr - In 2005, Paisley came under some criticism for his beliefs about same-sex marriages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage). Upon learning that David Trimble (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Trimble)'s aide, Steven King, had married his partner in Canada, Paisley was quoted as saying, "It is really astounding that David Trimble should have had a man such as this giving him advice – and must surely cast grave doubts on his own political judgement. I think these sorts of relationships are immoral, offensive and obnoxious."Paisley caused further controversy in May 2007 when, in an interview with journalist Jason O'Toole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_O%27Toole_(journalist)) in Hot Press (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Press) magazine, he said that "I am pretty repulsed [sic] by gay and lesbianism. I think it is wrong. I think that those people harm themselves and – without caring about it – harm society. That doesn't mean to say that I hate them – I mean, I hate what they do."

Emma Little-Pengelly - Emma Little-Pengelly is the daughter of the loyalist activist Noel Little. He was absent from her life between the ages of nine and eleven following an arrest for arms trafficking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Resistance#Arrests_in_Paris).

Gavin Robinson - He won the constituency of Belfast East (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_East_(UK_Parliament_constituency)) for the Democratic Unionist Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party), defeating the incumbent Naomi Long (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Long) of the Alliance Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Party_of_Northern_Ireland), to become a Member of Parliament in the 2015 UK General Election.

Richard James Shannon - He is a member of the Orange Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order) and Apprentice Boys of Derry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprentice_Boys_of_Derry) In 2016, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Parliamentary_Standards_Authority) announced it was launching a formal investigation into Shannon's expenses. In 2015, he was the highest-claiming MP out of 650, claiming £205,798, not including travel

Thomas David Simpson - Simpson is a member of the Orange Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order), in which he is Deputy Master of Loughgall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall) District. He is a proponent of creationism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism), and his former election agent and constituency assistant, David McConaghie, who had played a key role in Simpson's 2005 election victory, was until late 2012 a prominent spokesperson for the Caleb Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Foundation) which represented creationist and socially conservative evangelical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism) Protestant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism) views.
He spoke and voted against the UK Government's Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill in February 2013 stating that "this is not the jurisdiction of this house [...] this is an ordained constitution of God, and that'll end in 'In the garden of Eden it was Adam and Eve it wasn't Adam and Steve.'" The Bill covers England and Wales (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_and_Wales) as family law is devolved in Northern Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland).

Samuel Wilson - Wilson served as Lord Mayor of Belfast between June 2000 and June 2001. During his time as Mayor, the Andersonstown News (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonstown_News) set up a website to highlight Wilson's "naked sectarianism". The site included such quotes from Wilson as: "The GAA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_Athletic_Association) is the sporting wing of the IRA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army)"; "I don't care if [gays] are ratepayers. As far as I am concerned they are perverts"; "Taigs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taig) don't pay rates"; and "They [Sinn Féin voters in the Oldpark area of Belfast] are sub-human animals". The Andersonstown News had challenged Wilson to take legal action if he felt he was being misrepresented. He did not. The website voluntarily shut down when he ended his tenure as Mayor

His appointment and tenure as Environment Minister were heavily criticised by environmental groups. Wilson believes that man-made climate change (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-made_climate_change) is a "myth based on dodgy science" and "an hysterical pseudo-religion." He says that "reasoned debate must replace the scaremongering of the green climate alarmists" and "resources should be used to adapt to the consequences of climate change, rather than King Canute-style vainly trying to stop it". This, along with his opposition to the creation of an independent environmental protection agency and his support for nuclear power, led the Green Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_in_Northern_Ireland) to condemn Wilson's "deeply irresponsible message" and give him the 'Green Wash' award for being the MLA most likely to damage the environment. Wilson's beliefs on climate change have been likened to "a cigarette salesman denying that smoking causes cancer" by John Woods of Friends of the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth), who added that "Ironically, if we listen to him Northern Ireland will suffer economically as we are left behind by smarter regions who are embracing the low carbon economy of the future".
Wilson came under renewed criticism in February 2009 when he blocked the broadcast of climate change advertisements on television, calling them part of an "insidious propaganda campaign". He also stated "that future ecological messages could only be promoted in Northern Ireland with his permission". New Scientist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Scientist) magazine stated that despite the minister's comments, "the overwhelming majority of scientists do agree that there is a greater than 90% chance that the rate at which we burn fossil fuels is driving climate change".

How have we ended up here!!

Still, you can rely on the tories to topple a leader, problem is it doesnt help with parliamentary arithmetic.

[pacoluna]

Imagine supporting the DUP and May over the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon all because you don't like to be in control of your countries directions.

[marinello59]

Imagine supporting the DUP and May over the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon all because you don't like to be in control of your countries directions.
Maybe you should quote who ever is doing that rather than throwing out yet another random rant.

[cabbageandribs1875]

She's toast :greengrin


after reading GF's posts i think, nay..HOPE she is


Imagine supporting the DUP and May over the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon all because you don't like to be in control of your countries directions.


they weren't on my ballot paper :confused:

[McD]

Imagine supporting the DUP and May over the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon all because you don't like to be in control of your countries directions.


Imagine being so intolerant of people with different opinions to your own...


I'm pretty sure that Labour, Green, Liberal Democrat, voters didn't choose as you have suggested.

[pacoluna]

Maybe you should quote who ever is doing that rather than throwing out yet another random rant.

Tory voters are.

[marinello59]

Tory voters are.

Maybe you should have made it clear you were talking about the Tories in particular then. Even then it doesn't do us any harm to accept that people vote differently from us for a multitude of reasons.

[pacoluna]

Maybe you should have made it clear you were talking about the Tories in particular then. Even then it doesn't do us any harm to accept that people vote differently from us for a multitude of reasons.

Specifically aimed at tactical voters of the tories.

[marinello59]

Specifically aimed at tactical voters of the tories.

How about those who changed from SNP to Tory in the rural heartlands?

[pacoluna]

How about those who changed from SNP to Tory in the rural heartlands?

Everyone should vote for who they want, my comments are aimed at those whose hatred of SNP ended up with us having a DUP/Tory gvment.

[marinello59]

Everyone should vote for who they want, my comments are aimed at those whose hatred of SNP ended up with us having a DUP/Tory gvment.

Do you have some facts to back up your opinion that widespread tactical voting driven by hatred caused the SNP to lose seats?

[Glory Lurker]

I think I'm in agreement with your point?

Regardless, I would be steering you to Google or Wikipedia :greengrin

Eh? I take it you were more drunk than me? :greengrin

[Mr Grieves]

How about those who changed from SNP to Tory in the rural heartlands?

You've mentioned this a few times now, is there data saying voters were moving directly from the SNP to Conservative? Genuiely interested.

[marinello59]

You've mentioned this a few times now, is there data saying voters were moving directly from the SNP to Conservative? Genuiely interested.

I have posted my own totally unscientific figures and some hearsay to back up my opinion here (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?322110-Well-done-Kezia!&p=5066366#post5066366). (Post 127 )
Like I say, no proof, just a backing up of what I feel happened. I haven't seen any evidence that there was widespread tactical voting by Labour voters but no doubt somebody will provide some to prove I am talking *****. :greengrin


Edit - Click the link..:greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

I have posted my own totally unscientific figures and some hearsay to back up my opinion here (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?322110-Well-done-Kezia!&p=5066366#post5066366). (Post 127 )
Like I say, no proof, just a backing up of what I feel happened. I haven't seen any evidence that there was widespread tactical voting by Labour voters but no doubt somebody will provide some to prove I am talking *****. :greengrin


Helps if you are on the same thread Mr Marinello :wink:

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?322110-Well-done-Kezia!&p=5066366&viewfull=1#post5066366

Edit, just realised you did

[marinello59]

Helps if you are on the same thread Mr Marinello :wink:

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?322110-Well-done-Kezia!&p=5066366&viewfull=1#post5066366

Edit, just realised you did

Not for the first time I was thinking what the **** have I done wrong now. :greengrin