Kezia Dugdale: My Sporting Saturday (HC)

[PapillonVert]

Interesting article in The Herald today. (Sorry if already posted).

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15226592.My_Sporting_Saturday_with_Scottish_Labour _leader_Kezia_Dugdale/

[swordin3]

Not a fan but out of all her bad points she was bound to have at least one redeeming quality.

[lord bunberry]

I like kezia

[northstandhibby]

I like kezia

Me too. A terrific person and Hibs class.

glory glory

[Niffy]

Interesting article in The Herald today. (Sorry if already posted).

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15226592.My_Sporting_Saturday_with_Scottish_Labour _leader_Kezia_Dugdale/

Nah , I know it's the modern way, but if I click on a link and I'm still waiting on adverts and banners spooling up , I just turn it off.
Fair does my napper in.

[monktonharp]

I like keziaI don't. why is this on a Hibs forum, flag debate please

[greenlex]

I don't. why is this on a Hibs forum, flag debate please
Ive not read it and have no intention of either. I am guessing its taken from a series of famous Hibs fans talking about that saturday last may? Much like the Grant Stott one doing the rounds?

[monktonharp]

Possibly, but there are people that try to invoke, or in some way politicise things related to our Club/Fans/etc . I have my views , and wont stand by allowing people to ingratiate their own political view on the likes of me.

[Northernhibee]

All it is is her talking about how she became a Hibs fan and her love of football, how can that be forcing her politics on people? :confused:

[stoneyburn hibs]

If only the lassie would reveal her (non football) true colours , she'd feel so much more comfortable with herself.

[660]

Overpromoted no mark of a politician.

[monktonharp]

All it is is her talking about how she became a Hibs fan and her love of football, how can that be forcing her politics on people? :confused:she's not, but fans are using it to bring politics to this forum in a sly way. my opinion

[overdrive]

I like her along with Ruth Davidson. She won't be a poster girl on here amongst the Nat and Corbynistas on here.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Regardless of her political party any Hibby is a good Hibby. Old or new.

[Glory Lurker]

I'm a member of the SNP, but if Kez is talking about the Hibs that's all good in my book. Maybe someone could copy and paste so that we can she what she's saying?

[Hillsidehibby]

I like her. If she says she's a Hibby then she's a Hibby. Unless there are certain criteria that remain with the committee?

[Eyrie]

she's not, but fans are using it to bring politics to this forum in a sly way. my opinion
Do you feel the same way about political avatars and signatures?


I'm a member of the SNP, but if Kez is talking about the Hibs that's all good in my book. Maybe someone could copy and paste so that we can she what she's saying?

Here you go

A LOT of my memories growing up watching football with my dad come down to two clear categories: Deep Heat and swearing.

My love for football came through my dad Jeff, who was a referee. I was brought up surrounded by it. I remember watching him on the line then following him in after the match to the tunnel where I’d be just this tiny wee person walking through these changing rooms overwhelmed by THAT smell.
Then, of course, there was the swearing.Most of the swear words I now know in life were taught to me at grounds around Scotland at a young age. My dad tells me he remembers me at the age of five asking him ‘Dad, why is everyone calling you a baldy b****** ?’

He had the good grace to pretend to be utterly shocked while laughing inside.
He’d referee in the Highland League because I grew up in Elgin. He was a Class 1 referee so he did do a couple of low level cup games but only really running the line. I was probably one of the few five-year-olds who could explain the offside rule to their pals.

My mum worked a lot so my dad was basically responsible for bringing me up during primary school age with no child care. So that meant I often went to Highland League matches with him at night and, of course, on a Saturday.

I’d say I had really fond memories, but they are more just really cold memories of sitting on the line at various stands around the north of Scotland. I remember being at Forres Mechanics quite a lot, and obviously I became really familiar with Borough Briggs in Elgin. I remember as a child how matches would always get postponed there due to flooding as it was so close to the river.

I was really sporty at school. I played everything I could. Most regularly it was football. I was fortunate enough to go to a school with lots of playing fields so we were encouraged to go out and kick a ball. Collecting Panini stickers for the 1990 World Cup was also a favourite hobby. Not too many girls were doing that at the time.

I played a lot of football at primary school then when I went to secondary school I turned my hand to netball, basketball, swimming, hockey for the school. I was really active. That activeness fell away a bit when I went to university, but that happens. Distractions is one word for it!

For all I had a strong passion for football, I never followed a football team as a kid, though. Part of the problem of having a referee as a dad is you don’t have one natural team to support. One of the most prominent players of my youth was Ally McCoist. I followed him really closely. I wasn’t actually a Rangers fan but he was in his prime then.

I’ve been to so many stadiums across the country but it’s only as an adult I’ve had my team. And that team is of course Hibernian. It’s a long story . . .

I went to secondary school in Dundee and quite often I visited Tannadice. I then went to uni in Aberdeen where I ended up staying right next to Pittodrie. I didn’t see them as much as I saw United previously, I only really ended up there for Scotland matches. I can recall Scotland being beaten 2-1 by Nigeria, but it was still a game that has stuck with me.

When I moved down to Edinburgh I got my first flat which was in Lochend, basically right across from Easter Road.

As a politician I got to know the people who ran the club through various different community events, and I remember being really bowled over by how much Hibs engage with their fan base around health and education. I can still recall thinking it was such an amazing thing for a football club to be rooted in its community.

From then I started to go to games and fell in love with it. I’m now a season ticket holder and get there as much as I can.

For as many Saturday’s as I can I sit in my seat in the main stand, the last game I was at was the 2-2 draw with Dumbarton a couple of weeks ago.
Quite often it’s difficult to be a politician and follow a football club because a lot of your work is in the evenings and you spend most of your Saturdays campaigning, so I don’t get there all the time. But it’s important to me to do my bit for the club when possible.

The highlight of my Hibs-supporting career was undoubtedly the cup final last year. It was a fantastic day and you couldn’t help but revel in the theatre of what took place during the 90 minutes.

There are only a few moments in football like the one where David Gray grabbed the winner against Rangers at the death. Having said that, I was also quite conscious at being a fresh-faced Hibs fan that I didn’t carry quite the same baggage others around me did!

Today of course could be a really important moment for the club just to get over the line and get that promotion.

We have a lot of talented great players you want to keep there under Neil Lennon and they will be excited by the prospect of top-flight football. I just want it to be done and dusted now.

Sadly, I’ll not be at Easter Road to witness it, but I’ll be cheering on from afar, my nostrils still filled with Deep Heat.

[greenlex]

A LOT of my memories growing up watching football with my dad come down to two clear categories: Deep Heat and swearing.

My love for football came through my dad Jeff, who was a referee. I was brought up surrounded by it. I remember watching him on the line then following him in after the match to the tunnel where I’d be just this tiny wee person walking through these changing rooms overwhelmed by THAT smell.
Then, of course, there was the swearing.Most of the swear words I now know in life were taught to me at grounds around Scotland at a young age. My dad tells me he remembers me at the age of five asking him ‘Dad, why is everyone calling you a baldy b****** ?’

He had the good grace to pretend to be utterly shocked while laughing inside.
He’d referee in the Highland League because I grew up in Elgin. He was a Class 1 referee so he did do a couple of low level cup games but only really running the line. I was probably one of the few five-year-olds who could explain the offside rule to their pals.

My mum worked a lot so my dad was basically responsible for bringing me up during primary school age with no child care. So that meant I often went to Highland League matches with him at night and, of course, on a Saturday.

I’d say I had really fond memories, but they are more just really cold memories of sitting on the line at various stands around the north of Scotland. I remember being at Forres Mechanics quite a lot, and obviously I became really familiar with Borough Briggs in Elgin. I remember as a child how matches would always get postponed there due to flooding as it was so close to the river.

I was really sporty at school. I played everything I could. Most regularly it was football. I was fortunate enough to go to a school with lots of playing fields so we were encouraged to go out and kick a ball. Collecting Panini stickers for the 1990 World Cup was also a favourite hobby. Not too many girls were doing that at the time.

I played a lot of football at primary school then when I went to secondary school I turned my hand to netball, basketball, swimming, hockey for the school. I was really active. That activeness fell away a bit when I went to university, but that happens. Distractions is one word for it!

For all I had a strong passion for football, I never followed a football team as a kid, though. Part of the problem of having a referee as a dad is you don’t have one natural team to support. One of the most prominent players of my youth was Ally McCoist. I followed him really closely. I wasn’t actually a Rangers fan but he was in his prime then.

I’ve been to so many stadiums across the country but it’s only as an adult I’ve had my team. And that team is of course Hibernian. It’s a long story . . .

I went to secondary school in Dundee and quite often I visited Tannadice. I then went to uni in Aberdeen where I ended up staying right next to Pittodrie. I didn’t see them as much as I saw United previously, I only really ended up there for Scotland matches. I can recall Scotland being beaten 2-1 by Nigeria, but it was still a game that has stuck with me.

When I moved down to Edinburgh I got my first flat which was in Lochend, basically right across from Easter Road.

As a politician I got to know the people who ran the club through various different community events, and I remember being really bowled over by how much Hibs engage with their fan base around health and education. I can still recall thinking it was such an amazing thing for a football club to be rooted in its community.

From then I started to go to games and fell in love with it. I’m now a season ticket holder and get there as much as I can.

For as many Saturday’s as I can I sit in my seat in the main stand, the last game I was at was the 2-2 draw with Dumbarton a couple of weeks ago.
Quite often it’s difficult to be a politician and follow a football club because a lot of your work is in the evenings and you spend most of your Saturdays campaigning, so I don’t get there all the time. But it’s important to me to do my bit for the club when possible.

The highlight of my Hibs-supporting career was undoubtedly the cup final last year. It was a fantastic day and you couldn’t help but revel in the theatre of what took place during the 90 minutes.

There are only a few moments in football like the one where David Gray grabbed the winner against Rangers at the death. Having said that, I was also quite conscious at being a fresh-faced Hibs fan that I didn’t carry quite the same baggage others around me did!

Today of course could be a really important moment for the club just to get over the line and get that promotion.

We have a lot of talented great players you want to keep there under Neil Lennon and they will be excited by the prospect of top-flight football. I just want it to be done and dusted now.

Sadly, I’ll not be at Easter Road to witness it, but I’ll be cheering on from afar, my nostrils still filled with Deep Heat.
Burn the witch:greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

Can't argue with any of that. She's better at fitba than she is at politics :greengrin.

[Risboro Hibby]

She's a Hibby. That is a lot more important to us all surely rather than her politics. One of us at the end of the day .

[SMAXXA]

Am I just a dafty that read that and thought it was a positve article about Hibs? Yet read some comments that were negative in thinking I must have missed something here?

[ekhibee]

I like her along with Ruth Davidson. She won't be a poster girl on here amongst the Nat and Corbynistas on here.
I like what she has to say about Hibs and how she became a Hibs fan. Although I don't agree with some of her political views, I've always thought she tries to put her point across the right way. On the other hand I really have no time for Ruth Davidson at all.

[Hibbyradge]

She's a Hibby. I'm a Hibby. All good.

[High-On-Hibs]

She's a hopeless politician, but not in a cruel way like Davidson. In any case, she's entitled to talk about the Hibs as much as anyone else.

[matty_f]

Am I just a dafty that read that and thought it was a positve article about Hibs? Yet read some comments that were negative in thinking I must have missed something here?

No, you've not missed anything. You're not a dafty, at least, not on this occasion. :greengrin

[Badge]

Possibly, but there are people that try to invoke, or in some way politicise things related to our Club/Fans/etc . I have my views , and wont stand by allowing people to ingratiate their own political view on the likes of me.

Pash. Nothing to do with politics in her article. Talking about Hibs.

[Fife-Hibee]

I like her along with Ruth Davidson. She won't be a poster girl on here amongst the Nat and Corbynistas on here.

Ruth the mooth'" have a word wi yersel man!

[AndyB_70]

Kezia and Ruth..... no thanks

[High-On-Hibs]

Ruth the mooth'" have a word wi yersel man!

It's no worth it mate. Take it from someone with plenty of experience. :wink:

[monktonharp]

Pash. Nothing to do with politics in her article. Talking about Hibs.right then . I did not say she was talking politics, look at what I previously said before saying Pash.

[lucky]

Good article and it's good to read that some politicians have a life away from politics. Some of the comments on here are way of the mark, she's a season ticket holder talking about her journey to getting there.

[High-On-Hibs]

Good article and it's good to read that some politicians have a life away from politics. Some of the comments on here are way of the mark, she's a season ticket holder talking about her journey to getting there.

She also supports independence like her old man, but can't be seen to. :wink:

[HoboHarry]

Great article and good on you Kezia and say hello to your Dad if you are reading this - I was in the Moray and Banff association at the same time he was in the early eighties and we had the regular meetings at the Eight Acres Hotel. The deep heat is also indeed a memory - I used to put that stuff on in spades and the olive oil on top of that to keep out those biting winds from the Lossiemouth and Buckie coastlines. Those were the days...........

[Pretty Boy]

Good article about football. Interesting to read how someone from afar found the club at a later stage in life, it's a different take on things compared to someone like myself who had no choice pretty much from birth.

Her politics are completely irrelevant to the article and this thread.

[marinello59]

Am I just a dafty that read that and thought it was a positve article about Hibs? Yet read some comments that were negative in thinking I must have missed something here?

You are missing nothing, it's a nice feel good article about Hibs . Some people would rather feel good about themselves though.

[Just Alf]

Good article about football. Interesting to read how someone from afar found the club at a later stage in life, it's a different take on things compared to someone like myself who had no choice pretty much from birth.

Her politics are completely irrelevant to the article and this thread.

This.




The good thing about the "Hibs Family" is we're are all different..... It's a GOOD THING!

:flag:

[Jack]

Glory hunter ;-)

[hibsbollah]

She's allowed in. Hibs are a 'broad church' after all:wink:

[Roxyhibee]

I like her and it's a good article on her support for our great club.

[Jack]

Does Nicola Sturgeon not have ties with Hibs? I'm thinking it's maybe her husband is a Hibby.

[Beefster]

You are missing nothing, it's a nice feel good article about Hibs . Some people would rather feel good about themselves though.

Now, now. She has different opinions on some stuff to some of us. It's either not allowed or we don't have the capacity to cope with that without lashing out. I can never remember which.

[Craig_HFC]

There's only 1 question Kezia...

Were you on the pitch?

[emoji102]

[brog]

[QUOTE=monktonharp;5011404]I don't. why is this on a Hibs forum, flag debate please[/QUOT

Strangely enough because its an article about how someone became a Hibs supporter. On a more general note it was found after the US election that the great majority of Trump supporters 100% believed his nonsense because they only watched Fox news & other right wing programmes. While I'm guilty of that to some extent, I wouldn't allow the Daily Mail in my house, I would find it abhorrent to suggest a forum should be shut down merely because it featured a person whose political views differed from mine. I remember previously a long thread about the wonderful Margo McDonald. No doubt you objected then as well.

[JimBHibees]

Does Nicola Sturgeon not have ties with Hibs? I'm thinking it's maybe her husband is a Hibby.

He is apparently.

[JimBHibees]

Good article about football. Interesting to read how someone from afar found the club at a later stage in life, it's a different take on things compared to someone like myself who had no choice pretty much from birth.

Her politics are completely irrelevant to the article and this thread.

Couldn't agree more.

[Golden Bear]

You are missing nothing, it's a nice feel good article about Hibs . Some people would rather feel good about themselves though.

Yip, that's the way I read it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Mr Grieves]

I don't. why is this on a Hibs forum, flag debate please

Because it's a positive article about Hibs. Go on, give it a read.

[JeMeSouviens]

I can't believe someone posted this thread. So divisive. :wink:

[Sammy7nil]

she's not, but fans are using it to bring politics to this forum in a sly way. my opinion

People over think things.

[-Jonesy-]

Red Tory selling Scotland down the swanny for party favour. Will put the final nail in Scottish labour's coffin this year. Other than that she seems like a nice girl.

[wookie70]

Good article about how fans become fans. Lots of us will be lifers who had Hibs in our life from birth but interesting to read about other ways people become fans.

[lucky]

Red Tory selling Scotland down the swanny for party favour. Will put the final nail in Scottish labour's coffin this year. Other than that she seems like a nice girl.

Really, have a word with yourself. Take your political views to the Holy Ground and debate there.

[weecounty hibby]

Good on her. High profile Hibs fan saying good things about Hibs in the press. I'm a nationalist through and through but more than happy to see Hibs talked up in the press

[snooky]

That was a great read from a bona fide Hibs fan. Nothing political in there at all IMO.

[emerald green]

Kez is a good Hibbie.

[Bostonhibby]

Reads like an interesting story of the journey that led her to be a hibby and I'm fine with that. Difficult to see how you can politicise what she says as a supporter unless you feel the need to promote or criticise a particular party or politician whenever the opportunity arises.

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[ronaldo7]

Do you feel the same way about political avatars and signatures?



Here you go

A LOT of my memories growing up watching football with my dad come down to two clear categories: Deep Heat and swearing.

My love for football came through my dad Jeff, who was a referee. I was brought up surrounded by it. I remember watching him on the line then following him in after the match to the tunnel where I’d be just this tiny wee person walking through these changing rooms overwhelmed by THAT smell.
Then, of course, there was the swearing.Most of the swear words I now know in life were taught to me at grounds around Scotland at a young age. My dad tells me he remembers me at the age of five asking him ‘Dad, why is everyone calling you a baldy b****** ?’

He had the good grace to pretend to be utterly shocked while laughing inside.
He’d referee in the Highland League because I grew up in Elgin. He was a Class 1 referee so he did do a couple of low level cup games but only really running the line. I was probably one of the few five-year-olds who could explain the offside rule to their pals.

My mum worked a lot so my dad was basically responsible for bringing me up during primary school age with no child care. So that meant I often went to Highland League matches with him at night and, of course, on a Saturday.

I’d say I had really fond memories, but they are more just really cold memories of sitting on the line at various stands around the north of Scotland. I remember being at Forres Mechanics quite a lot, and obviously I became really familiar with Borough Briggs in Elgin. I remember as a child how matches would always get postponed there due to flooding as it was so close to the river.

I was really sporty at school. I played everything I could. Most regularly it was football. I was fortunate enough to go to a school with lots of playing fields so we were encouraged to go out and kick a ball. Collecting Panini stickers for the 1990 World Cup was also a favourite hobby. Not too many girls were doing that at the time.

I played a lot of football at primary school then when I went to secondary school I turned my hand to netball, basketball, swimming, hockey for the school. I was really active. That activeness fell away a bit when I went to university, but that happens. Distractions is one word for it!

For all I had a strong passion for football, I never followed a football team as a kid, though. Part of the problem of having a referee as a dad is you don’t have one natural team to support. One of the most prominent players of my youth was Ally McCoist. I followed him really closely. I wasn’t actually a Rangers fan but he was in his prime then.

I’ve been to so many stadiums across the country but it’s only as an adult I’ve had my team. And that team is of course Hibernian. It’s a long story . . .

I went to secondary school in Dundee and quite often I visited Tannadice. I then went to uni in Aberdeen where I ended up staying right next to Pittodrie. I didn’t see them as much as I saw United previously, I only really ended up there for Scotland matches. I can recall Scotland being beaten 2-1 by Nigeria, but it was still a game that has stuck with me.

When I moved down to Edinburgh I got my first flat which was in Lochend, basically right across from Easter Road.

As a politician I got to know the people who ran the club through various different community events, and I remember being really bowled over by how much Hibs engage with their fan base around health and education. I can still recall thinking it was such an amazing thing for a football club to be rooted in its community.

From then I started to go to games and fell in love with it. I’m now a season ticket holder and get there as much as I can.

For as many Saturday’s as I can I sit in my seat in the main stand, the last game I was at was the 2-2 draw with Dumbarton a couple of weeks ago.
Quite often it’s difficult to be a politician and follow a football club because a lot of your work is in the evenings and you spend most of your Saturdays campaigning, so I don’t get there all the time. But it’s important to me to do my bit for the club when possible.

The highlight of my Hibs-supporting career was undoubtedly the cup final last year. It was a fantastic day and you couldn’t help but revel in the theatre of what took place during the 90 minutes.

There are only a few moments in football like the one where David Gray grabbed the winner against Rangers at the death. Having said that, I was also quite conscious at being a fresh-faced Hibs fan that I didn’t carry quite the same baggage others around me did!

Today of course could be a really important moment for the club just to get over the line and get that promotion.

We have a lot of talented great players you want to keep there under Neil Lennon and they will be excited by the prospect of top-flight football. I just want it to be done and dusted now.

Sadly, I’ll not be at Easter Road to witness it, but I’ll be cheering on from afar, my nostrils still filled with Deep Heat.

Good article. Thanks for posting. 👍

[Malthibby]

She's a hopeless politician, but not in a cruel way like Davidson. In any case, she's entitled to talk about the Hibs as much as anyone else.

Absolutely, it's a Hibby article & I don't see her trying to link that to Labour Lite.
All part of the Hibby family chaps. Even the Unionists........
GG

[givescotlandfreedom]

I don't agree with much if her politics but the article is pretty inoffensive. She's obviously a Hibs supporter and not forcing her political views so no need for the abusive stuff.

[givescotlandfreedom]

Does Nicola Sturgeon not have ties with Hibs? I'm thinking it's maybe her husband is a Hibby.

I think that's right. She got some flack from Huns for congratulating us after the Cup win.

[-Jonesy-]

Really, have a word with yourself. Take your political views to the Holy Ground and debate there.

Not the only one in the thread to say so, dry your eyes.

[IGRIGI]

I'm surprised given her political views that the article wasn't an essay on why we can't do anything ourselves and why we need a union with Hearts to protect us from instability.

[Billy McKirdy]

Put off reading this because like most I'm uncomfortable mixing football with politics but it was an excellent read and her affection for the Hibs is obvious.

[schinkenotto]

Burn the witch:greengrin
What a peculiar response to a totally non-political,Hibernian favourable article.

I am no Labour supporter,but the lady comes across as genuinely interested in sport in general and Hibs in particular.Where's the harm and what has it to do with your or her political views?Where does La Sturgeon's plea( if genuine) for "tolerance and respect" for opposing views fit in with your post?

[lucky]

Not the only one in the thread to say so, dry your eyes.

So if others are slavering you join in. There's plenty of politics on the holy ground. You will fine lots of people who comment just like you. But on the main board the topic is football and Kez is talking football and is a good Hibbie, just like Kenny Macskill, Keith Brown and Ian Gray.

[pacoluna]

Can I get a write up in the news about my childhood and what hibs winning the cup meant to me? After all I'm about as relevant as kezia.

[hibsbollah]

What a peculiar response to a totally non-political,Hibernian favourable article.

I am no Labour supporter,but the lady comes across as genuinely interested in sport in general and Hibs in particular.Where's the harm and what has it to do with your or her political views?Where does La Sturgeon's plea( if genuine) for "tolerance and respect" for opposing views fit in with your post?

Whoooshhhh

[-Jonesy-]

So if others are slavering you join in. There's plenty of politics on the holy ground. You will fine lots of people who comment just like you. But on the main board the topic is football and Kez is talking football and is a good Hibbie, just like Kenny Macskill, Keith Brown and Ian Gray.

Didn't realise you were responsible for maintaining the standard and content of (my) discussion on the board. Happy Easter, send Kez my apologies.

[Betty Boop]

So if others are slavering you join in. There's plenty of politics on the holy ground. You will fine lots of people who comment just like you. But on the main board the topic is football and Kez is talking football and is a good Hibbie, just like Kenny Macskill, Keith Brown and Ian Gray.


Kenny Macaskill since when ?

[monktonharp]

I said in my first post , this would open a can of worms :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Kenny Macaskill since when ?

Macaskill has been attending games since the early 80s. He used to be on the gunner bus to away games with Ann Widdecombe.

[lucky]

Kenny Macaskill since when ?

He's chair of HSL so I hope he is.

[greenlex]

Macaskill has been attending games since the early 80s. He used to be on the gunner bus to away games with Ann Widdecombe. :faf::faf:

[Betty Boop]

Macaskill has been attending games since the early 80s. He used to be on the gunner bus to away games with Ann Widdecombe.

Aw aye 😁

[ben johnson]

Kenny Macaskill since when ?

Kenny MacAskill was sitting in the front row of the South Upper at the Cup Final. We were in the row behind his. We had queued up from 5am to get the tickets but can't remember him in the Queue. Fair play to him he was caught up in the general tontoness

[Lago]

I like kezia
Always reminds me of a 6th year high school debater, but glad she favours hibs.

[Robinho08]

Wouldn't vote for her, but don't dislike her. Unlike her Tory counterpart evil wee Ruthy.

[ekhibee]

2 things I was wondering, I don't know if others know or not:

a/ Was she at the cup final?

b/ What's her username on hibs.net? (she might be on the bounce, mind you)

[hibsbollah]

2 things I was wondering, I don't know if others know or not:

a/ Was she at the cup final?

b/ What's her username on hibs.net? (she might be on the bounce, mind you)

I'm guessing she's Dashing Bob.

[ronaldo7]

I'm guessing she's Dashing Bob.

I thought it was Kezbollah, has a bit of a ring to it. :greengrin

[heretoday]

I like her and it's a good article on her support for our great club.

Hear hear. She's a decent sort and has just secured a vote in the Labour wasteland called Corstorphine.

[hibsbollah]

I thought it was Kezbollah, has a bit of a ring to it. :greengrin

Argggghh no :faf:

I've actually had a conversation with her on the phone, she seemed a decent sort.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Feel very sorry for her as she is so far out of her depth against Nicola and Ruth so she must fair look forward to her Saturdays.

How's her comical "Federalism" gimmick doing as if English people would allow that.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I don't think Dugdale is a talented politician, but she's very welcome at Hibs, as are people of all political beliefs, religious faiths and nationalities. The inclusivity at Hibs is something we can all be proud of. If wee Ruth Davidson wants to come along, she's welcome. One's beliefs on issues outside of football are irrelevant.

[lord bunberry]

I don't think Dugdale is a talented politician, but she's very welcome at Hibs, as are people of all political beliefs, religious faiths and nationalities. The inclusivity at Hibs is something we can all be proud of. If wee Ruth Davidson wants to come along, she's welcome. One's beliefs on issues outside of football are irrelevant.
Exactly,we all come from different walks of life but we're all hibs fans when we enter the stadium.

[SkintHibby]

Kezia's only redeeming feature is that she's a Hibby.

Apart from that she annoys me in every other way.

[Mikers110]

We may be diverse in all other aspects of life, i.e. religion, politics, race and whatever other nonsense the hard of thinking separates us, but the the one thing we have in common is our love for the mighty Hibees :agree:

[tamig]

Am I just a dafty that read that and thought it was a positve article about Hibs? Yet read some comments that were negative in thinking I must have missed something here?

Indeed. Some folk trying to invent stuff that isn't there. Some ludicrous comments on this thread.

[monktonharp]

Indeed. Some folk trying to invent stuff that isn't there. Some ludicrous comments on this thread. OK then Mr Tamig, just carefully look back at the last 6 posts before yours, and I am sure you will find political content in each. I had only mentioned that it will get like this, after the OP . end of.

[northstandhibby]

I don't think Dugdale is a talented politician, but she's very welcome at Hibs, as are people of all political beliefs, religious faiths and nationalities. The inclusivity at Hibs is something we can all be proud of. If wee Ruth Davidson wants to come along, she's welcome. One's beliefs on issues outside of football are irrelevant.

Really? This coming from you H&A who thinks taxing folk around 80% of their wage should be considered :rolleyes:

Totally agree with the rest of your well put post regarding inclusiveness though albeit can't see Ruth Davidson being considered Hibs Class anytime soon :greengrin

glory glory

[Hibernia&Alba]

Really? This coming from you H&A who thinks taxing folk around 80% of their wage should be considered :rolleyes:

Totally agree with the rest of your well put post regarding inclusiveness though albeit can't see Ruth Davidson being considered Hibs Class anytime soon :greengrin

glory glory

A marginal rate on the highest earners of around 80 per cent, absolutely. Income tax has been higher than that in the past. If we're serious about tackling social inequality and its consequences, we must fund the remedies. All the talk about 'efficiency' and getting more from less is disingenuous.

[pacorosssco]

She chose Hibs and pays into club with season ticket. Good for Hibs. Politicians will lose votes from many publically supporting a team. Sad but true reflection power of football rivalry. Honest article on a personal level for her. I dont vote for her but shes is a supporter the more of us the better.

[Hibernia&Alba]

She chose Hibs and pays into club with season ticket. Good for Hibs. Politicians will lose votes from many publically supporting a team. Sad but true reflection power of football rivalry. Honest article on a personal level for her. I dont vote for her but shes is a supporter the more of us the better.

Exactly.

[Sammy7nil]

Kezia's only redeeming feature is that she's a Hibby.

Apart from that she annoys me in every other way.

I have heard she speaks highly of you :aok:

[Dashing Bob S]

For the sake of those who sit next to her in the stands, I hope she's a better football supporter than she is a politician - but nice one Kez.

[pacorosssco]

For the sake of those who sit next to her in the stands, I hope she's a better football supporter than she is a politician - but nice one Kez.

She pays into club so respect. All creatures great and small. Not the first fanny to follow Hibs and key point article is childhood spent with a referee. A job which takes only those on edge of society.

[tartanhibee]

She a hibby we are all hibbys what she does for a living shouldn't really matter, the boy behind me me works at Asda and sometimes leaves early for his shift that starts at 6. He also gets the bus as his wife take the car.

[franks]

Read the article because of the Hibs content and would have done the same had it been Nicola Sturgeon. No political content so why are some making a political point. Liked the point where she says at the final she had less baggage than many others around her who had followed Hibs much longer. Positive non political Hibs article as far as I am Concerned.

[JeMeSouviens]

Am I just a dafty that read that and thought it was a positve article about Hibs? Yet read some comments that were negative in thinking I must have missed something here?

Difficult to say. :wink:

Clearly it's good PR for a politician to be seen to have interests outside politics and be involved in their local community - a point instantly pushed by labour party hack lucky. Whether that was the motivation of the OP or not, who knows?

Personally, I'm glad Kezia Dugdale has at least one good thing happening in her life and hope 21st May offered her some consolation. Out of her depth doesn't even begin to describe it ...

[pacorosssco]

She a hibby we are all hibbys what she does for a living shouldn't really matter, the boy behind me me works at Asda and sometimes leaves early for his shift that starts at 6. He also gets the bus as his wife take the car.

I think I seen him go down lochend road on sat. Uniform on and and a just shirt with a scarf. Seen him bolt along up road after. I salute him. Legend in my book

[MB62]

I thought it was a very good article from a Hibs supporter. I certainly don't share her political beliefs but this is not about her political beliefs, it's about the Hibees.

Well done Kez, hope you enjoy this Saturday :thumbsup: :flag:

[RIP]

Shares the same name as my much cherished but long departed mum. Leads the party I'm a member of.

But that's nothing to do with why I love that article and similar stories about what brings people to become a Hibee. What Kezia fell in love with was the way in which Hibernian Football Club and the local community are part of the same support system, how closely they interact and feed off each other and the fantastic lift that the community gets when the football club starts to flourish.

You can hardly blame the lassie for getting hooked - the die was cast the day she moved into yon flat in Lochend.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Any Hibby is a good Hibby ....... I find Ms Dugdale's winey voice pretty annoying and I don't support her politically either, but that doesn't mean she cant be a good Hibs fan. It takes all sorts to make up a clubs support and ours form a pretty broad church just like every other club.

Good for her for choosing Hibs ...... the only time I would take umbrage at anybody supporting Hibs is if it was a Britain first or Thatcher type individual, if clubs do have a political identity I would guess ours is pretty left leaning, which is hardly surprising given the history of the club.

[Jack]

Thank goodness she never said she was anything other than Hibs!

How are other clubs forums coping?

[Curried]

I see the Labour party have decided to pull the plug on any more funding for Kezia Dugdale’s defamation case:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-45588303

[IGRIGI]

It's rather embarrassing how many sub standard yoon politicians we have amongst our support.

[HoboHarry]

Knew her dad pretty well during his refereeing days. Seems like a very long time ago now.....

[heretoday]

Kezia's OK. Nice person.

[BILLYHIBS]

Never liked her but I like her now.

😂⚽️🇳🇬🏆

[hibee_nation]

Typical Labour defending the tories instead of standing up for Scotland

[Pretty Boy]

Oh good we're getting grown up name calling and mud slinging from the serious politcos on the MB as well now.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I see the Labour party have decided to pull the plug on any more funding for Kezia Dugdale’s defamation case:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-45588303

Met Kez at Easter Road on a number of occasions. Genuinely a nice person, despite her politics, and a proper Hibby. Her problem was defaming the Rev Stu accusing him of being a homo- phobe when patently he isn't and refusing to apologise avoiding a costly defamation case.

Now would you rather have her or Lord Pishy Breeks Foulkes as your celebrity political supporter?

[Keith_M]

So the Labour Party were paying for her defense to have the right to claim the guy is a homophobe, because he made a remark that mentioned someone's sexuality but didn't actually criticize it. Sounds fair enough to tell her to pay for her own defense.


I can't really take this person seriously after her decision to appear in a so-called reality program.

[jacomo]

Met Kez at Easter Road on a number of occasions. Genuinely a nice person, despite her politics, and a proper Hibby. Her problem was defaming the Rev Stu accusing him of being a homo- phobe when patently he isn't and refusing to apologise avoiding a costly defamation case.

Now would you rather have her or Lord Pishy Breeks Foulkes as your celebrity political supporter?


Seems a decent summary of the situation.

[SHODAN]

Not a Labour supporter by any stretch of the imagination but always quite liked Kez.

[cabbageandribs1875]

hope she's kept her 'i'm a celebrity' appearance fee, see now that's a good thing about society kezia dugdale...you can't just go about defaming people, and using a column in a national paper to publicly attack someone doesn't offer yi immunity from the Law either hen :agree: will she be able to get HibsTV in Cornton Vale :dunno:

[chinaman]

So the Labour Party were paying for her defense to have the right to claim the guy is a homophobe, because he made a remark that mentioned someone's sexuality but didn't actually criticize it. Sounds fair enough to tell her to pay for her own defense.


I can't really take this person seriously after her decision to appear in a so-called reality program.
but you watched it anyway

[overdrive]

Sorry, am I missing something here? If not homophobic (I think it was), at the very least they were very distasteful comments at a basic human level. I can see how a gay/lesbian person would be extremely offended by them.

If the shoes were on the other foot, politically, the general consensus would be very different on here, I think.

[Keith_M]

but you watched it anyway


Eh, no.


I have enough bad habits without adding "Celebrity Jungle/House/Island Program Watcher" to the list.

[Keith_M]

Sorry, am I missing something here? If not homophobic (I think it was), at the very least they were very distasteful comments at a basic human level. I can see how a gay/lesbian person would be extremely offended by them.

If the shoes were on the other foot, politically, the general consensus would be very different on here, I think.


I think the comment could be called distasteful (better if he wasn't born), but I don't get how it's homophobic. As she claimed it to be be just that, it's surely the most important part of any debate


Could you maybe explain what part of it implies hatred of homosexuals (FYI: I'm being serious, not sarcastic)

[overdrive]

I think the comment could be called distasteful (better if he wasn't born), but I don't get how it's homophobic. As she claimed it to be be just that, it's surely the most important part of any debate


Could you maybe explain what part of it implies hatred of homosexuals (FYI: I'm being serious, not sarcastic)

There is the suggestion he wouldn’t be born if his dad had come out as gay earlier which is basically saying ‘gays can’t or shouldn’t have children’

[Eyrie]

I think the comment could be called distasteful (better if he wasn't born), but I don't get how it's homophobic. As she claimed it to be be just that, it's surely the most important part of any debate


Could you maybe explain what part of it implies hatred of homosexuals (FYI: I'm being serious, not sarcastic)

Could you maybe explain what relevance the father's sexuality has in the context of criticising the son?

Then you'll understand why the reference is homophobic.

[G B Young]

Could you maybe explain what relevance the father's sexuality has in the context of criticising the son?

Then you'll understand why the reference is homophobic.


Also, the implication that homosexual couples don't have children when in fact there are a number of ways in which they can become parents, be that surrogacy or adoption, is ignorant and narrow-minded in the extreme.

The fact that Kezia Dugdale, who is gay herself, regarded the comment as homophobic is telling.

Mind you, the guy that runs that website (does it still exist?) has always come across as a grade A bellend so his ignorance doesn't really come as a surprise.

The direction this thread has taken makes it more suitable for the Holy Ground.

[Peevemor]

I think the Wings guy is a bit of a bam but SOME of his output is very good.

Kezia might be a nice person, but she was pretty pathetic at times while toeing the Westminster party line. I think she eventually realised that herself.

The comment in question is in very poor taste. It's something that many people (myself included) might come out with in private, but it was a mistake to publish it.

The whole thing however has gone too far and the only winners will be the lawyers, as is often the case.

[Keith_M]

There is the suggestion he wouldn’t be born if his dad had come out as gay earlier which is basically saying ‘gays can’t or shouldn’t have children’


The intent appeared to be that he wouldn't have got married and had the child he did. I don't get the inference that he shouldn't be allowed to be a Dad.

People read into other people's words whatever they want, though, so it's hard to convince them otherwise.

Oh and two gay men can't give birth to children, it's an indisputable fact of nature. They can, of course, adopt them, which is perfectly legal.


I still don't see the homophobia.

[Keith_M]

Could you maybe explain what relevance the father's sexuality has in the context of criticising the son?

Then you'll understand why the reference is homophobic.


Only for somebody that's hyper-sensitive... or trivializing a serious issue just to attack a political rival.


I already said it was in bad taste, but he said nothing to infer that homosexuality was wrong or that he dissaproved of it.

[Eyrie]

Only for somebody that's hyper-sensitive... or trivializing a serious issue just to attack a political rival.


I already said it was in bad taste, but he said nothing to infer that homosexuality was wrong or that he dissaproved of it.


He made an unnecessary and irrelevant reference to the father's sexuality when criticising the son, so it is implicit that the father's sexuality is a negative. I don't regard that as trivialising the issue.



The direction this thread has taken makes it more suitable for the Holy Ground.

Agreed.

It's like the Salmond allegations with any consideration of the facts being less important than whether someone agrees or disagrees with you about independence. So I'll bow out now as I'm not interested in political debates on the football forum.

[greenpaper55]

It's rather embarrassing how many sub standard yoon politicians we have amongst our support.

Care to explain a Yoon, not everyone on this forum is an SNP cult supporter but if you want to imagine this while you dream of Brigadoon then fine.

[Tomsk]

So the Labour Party were paying for her defense to have the right to claim the guy is a homophobe, because he made a remark that mentioned someone's sexuality but didn't actually criticize it. Sounds fair enough to tell her to pay for her own defense.


I can't really take this person seriously after her decision to appear in a so-called reality program.


That's quite a spin you've put on things. But she didn't accuse him of being a homophobe, she said remarks he had made were homophobic. Quite a difference.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's rather embarrassing how many sub standard yoon politicians we have amongst our support.



:agree: most of them are to be fair, and not just in our support :greengrin

[G B Young]

The intent appeared to be that he wouldn't have got married and had the child he did. I don't get the inference that he shouldn't be allowed to be a Dad.

People read into other people's words whatever they want, though, so it's hard to convince them otherwise.

Oh and two gay men can't give birth to children, it's an indisputable fact of nature. They can, of course, adopt them, which is perfectly legal.


I still don't see the homophobia.

They may not be able to physically give birth but they can father a child via surrogacy, same as any heterosexual couple who may be having difficulties conceiving or carrying a pregnancy.

The comment was demeaning, ill informed and in my view Dugdale was entitled to view it as homophobic.

[Kavinho]

Well this isn't a tiresome thread on a matchday

[Chic Murray]

There is the suggestion he wouldn’t be born if his dad had come out as gay earlier which is basically saying ‘gays can’t or shouldn’t have children’

It was a stupid thing to say, no mistake. I think it sums up the pettiness of politics though that it has been blown up to the extent it has. Very much about semantics.

It will be a landmark ruling, if Kez wins, and have all sorts of implications for free speech, as it is really gagging us in the ways we are allowed to be offensive to other people.

I don't think this was what the Stonewall riots were about.


Well this isn't a tiresome thread on a matchday

I'm with you, mate. I couldn't avoid reading it, and likewise felt I had to say something, in case people called me out for not taking part.


They may not be able to physically give birth but they can father a child via surrogacy, same as any heterosexual couple who may be having difficulties conceiving or carrying a pregnancy.

The comment was demeaning, ill informed and in my view Dugdale was entitled to view it as homophobic.

The argument you guys are having illustrates my point about semantics. It's going to be almost impossible to make a joke about any aspect of sexuality, without it being deconstructed and analysed for who it offends, whether it is biologically possible, and what sanction should be applied to the person telling the joke.

My own take is that people are using "political correctness" as a shield for their own inadequacy these days. Rather than develop the skills required to distinguish between offensive and robust humour, we are entering a puritanical age where any laughter, or joy must be approved by linguistic fascists.

Snowflakes are almost a mirror image of the right, blaming anything but themselves for their failings. Just as we get "I can't work because an immigrant took my job", you get "I can't work due to be being bullied for being overweight". The whole thing is becoming a race to the bottom.

I do believe people need protection from homophobia, but things are going too far, if making jokes about their reproductive powers are off the scale.

[Mr Grieves]

Care to explain a Yoon, not everyone on this forum is an SNP cult supporter but if you want to imagine this while you dream of Brigadoon then fine.

You're just as bad as him.

[Tomsk]

I think the Wings guy is a bit of a bam but SOME of his output is very good.

Kezia might be a nice person, but she was pretty pathetic at times while toeing the Westminster party line. I think she eventually realised that herself.

The comment in question is in very poor taste. It's something that many people (myself included) might come out with in private, but it was a mistake to publish it.

The whole thing however has gone too far and the only winners will be the lawyers, as is often the case.

She realised far too late. The time to do it was before she announced her intention to stand for the leadership. To anyone whose eyes and ears weren't painted on it was clear from the start that she was totally out of her depth. She may well be nice, as several people on this thread have stated, however she continues even now to display a shocking lack of judgement and intelligence, a complete lack of self-awareness and a frankly laughable sense of self-importance. I don't blame her. I just wonder at how far the Labour Party in Scotland has fallen that it has ended up with silly, little jumped-up six-formers like Dugdale and complete non-entities like Leonard as leaders.

[Tomsk]

It was a stupid thing to say, no mistake. I think it sums up the pettiness of politics though that it has been blown up to the extent it has. Very much about semantics.

It will be a landmark ruling, if Kez wins, and have all sorts of implications for free speech, as it is really gagging us in the ways we are allowed to be offensive to other people.

I don't think this was what the Stonewall riots were about.



I'm with you, mate. I couldn't avoid reading it, and likewise felt I had to say something, in case people called me out for not taking part.



The argument you guys are having illustrates my point about semantics. It's going to be almost impossible to make a joke about any aspect of sexuality, without it being deconstructed and analysed for who it offends, whether it is biologically possible, and what sanction should be applied to the person telling the joke.

My own take is that people are using "political correctness" as a shield for their own inadequacy these days. Rather than develop the skills required to distinguish between offensive and robust humour, we are entering a puritanical age where any laughter, or joy must be approved by linguistic fascists.

I do believe people need protection from homophobia, but things are going too far, if making jokes about their reproductive powers are off the scale.


It was Campbell who made the allegations of defamation against Dugdale. In effect, it is Campbell who wishes to use the law to curb free speech not Dugdale.

[Chic Murray]

She realised far too late. The time to do it was before she announced her intention to stand for the leadership. To anyone whose eyes and ears weren't painted on it was clear from the start that she was totally out of her depth. She may well be nice, as several people on this thread have stated, however she continues even now to display a shocking lack of judgement and intelligence, a complete lack of self-awareness and a frankly laughable sense of self-importance. I don't blame her. I just wonder at how far the Labour Party in Scotland has fallen that it has ended up with silly, little jumped-up six-formers like Dugdale and complete non-entities like Leonard as leaders.

Lack of a sense of irony could also be added (although that would probably be secondary to the qualities you list.)


It was Campbell who made the allegations of defamation against Dugdale. In effect, it is Campbell who wishes to use the law to curb free speech not Dugdale.

I'm no supporter of either, but do read Wings with interest on occasion.

The point remains though, if Campbell's joke is offensive, or Dugdale's reposte is defamatory, then we are really in new territory about what we can be saying to each other.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Care to explain a Yoon, not everyone on this forum is an SNP cult supporter but if you want to imagine this while you dream of Brigadoon then fine.

Take a look in the mirror and you'll see your answer

[Beefster]

I think the Wings guy is a bit of a bam but SOME of his output is very good.

He's more than a bit of a bam. He's a wrong 'un with a heavy hint of the fantasist about him. Has been since his days of writing for 16-bit computer mags.

[One Day Soon]

We real do have some Grade A tools among our support, especially some of the tin-pot wannabe politicos.

[jacomo]

Could you maybe explain what relevance the father's sexuality has in the context of criticising the son?

Then you'll understand why the reference is homophobic.


It’s a joke. The joke being: if his dad had come out earlier, he wouldn’t have fathered him.

You can consider it in bad taste, and you can choose to be offended by it. But it doesn’t make it homophobic.

[BegbieHSC]

She’s a bad politician, and can’t say I’m a fan of the Scottish Labour Party in the slightest.

As a person, she’s brilliant, and I’m happy to have her in the Hibs support.

[BegbieHSC]

He's more than a bit of a bam. He's a wrong 'un with a heavy hint of the fantasist about him. Has been since his days of writing for 16-bit computer mags.

I’m an Indy supporter, and I think he’s a complete ********. With Kez on this.

[marinello59]

He's more than a bit of a bam. He's a wrong 'un with a heavy hint of the fantasist about him. Has been since his days of writing for 16-bit computer mags.

:agree:

[ronaldo7]

I’m an Indy supporter, and I think he’s a complete ********. With Kez on this.

Maybe she shouldn't have got into something she couldn't finish without the backing of the Labour party...then again...

[Hiber-nation]

He's more than a bit of a bam. He's a wrong 'un with a heavy hint of the fantasist about him. Has been since his days of writing for 16-bit computer mags.

Absolutely. Very creepy guy.

[Chic Murray]

Absolutely. Very creepy guy.

As an occasional reader of Wings, I can't say I've ever picked up on that, but maybe I'm not reading closely enough.

Can you give me some examples?

[Hiber-nation]

As an occasional reader of Wings, I can't say I've ever picked up on that, but maybe I'm not reading closely enough.

Can you give me some examples?

Feel free to read his stuff more closely then. Apart from the example we're discussing, his comments about Hillsborough, claims of online harassment which may of course be nonsense, I can't be bothered thinking of anything else off the top of my head other than the fact that I just don't like his tone and attitude.

[Pretty Boy]

Feel free to read his stuff more closely then. Apart from the example we're discussing, his comments about Hillsborough, claims of online harassment which may of course be nonsense, I can't be bothered thinking of anything else off the top of my head other than the fact that I just don't like his tone and attitude.

I stopped reading anything he had to say after his Hillsborough piece and subsequent refusal to retract it. It was the words of, to put it bluntly, a horrible person.

[Chic Murray]

Feel free to read his stuff more closely then. Apart from the example we're discussing, his comments about Hillsborough, claims of online harassment which may of course be nonsense, I can't be bothered thinking of anything else off the top of my head other than the fact that I just don't like his tone and attitude.

Sorry, as I am only an occasional reader, I probably haven't seen as much as some other people. I was hoping that people with a strong opinion on it would be able to back it up with examples. No hidden agenda, and your sarcasm is misplaced.


I stopped reading anything he had to say after his Hillsborough piece and subsequent refusal to retract it. It was the words of, to put it bluntly, a horrible person.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Edit: finding it hard to get to the source, but I did come across this: https://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/09/25/scotsman-pays-out-wings-over-scotland-over-accusations-against-founder-rev-stuart

Seems he's quite a litigious guy.

[Hiber-nation]

Sorry, as I am only an occasional reader, I probably haven't seen as much as some other people. I was hoping that people with a strong opinion on it would be able to back it up with examples. No hidden agenda, and your sarcasm is misplaced.



Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Edit: finding it hard to get to the source, but I did come across this: https://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/09/25/scotsman-pays-out-wings-over-scotland-over-accusations-against-founder-rev-stuart

Seems he's quite a litigious guy.

I try not to to be sarcastic on here as I criticise others for it. I haven't read his stuff avidly but skimming the surface is enough for me. I've voted SNP in recent years and people with extreme views such as his really piss me off.

[Chic Murray]

I try not to to be sarcastic on here as I criticise others for it. I haven't read his stuff avidly but skimming the surface is enough for me. I've voted SNP in recent years and people with extreme views such as his really piss me off.

My main criticism wasn't the sarcasm, but the fact that I didn't know where to look to evaluate your opinion. You were sarcastic though.

[johnbc70]

I had a quick Google to see why he calls himself 'Reverend' Stuart Campbell and found out he is ‘Reverend’ of the Universal Life Church, an American based internet organisation.