Inside/outside the box

[Monts]

Looked to me that the keeper handled outside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Looked to me like mcginn was fouled inside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Thoughts?

Edit: I sit in line with the 18 yard line

[Thecat23]

Looked to me that the keeper handled outside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Looked to me like mcginn was fouled inside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Thoughts?

McGinn I thought he got right, but I did think the keeper caught it just outside. But I'm a fair bit away so can't say for certain.

[Callum_62]

id like to see the footage of the handball, looked pretty clear cut

[iwasthere1972]

Looked to me that the keeper handled outside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Looked to me like mcginn was fouled inside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Thoughts?

Wasn't too sure about the keeper incident but did think at the time that McGinn was a yard or so inside the box. Sometimes these things just happen too quick so for all I know I could be talking a load of mince. Would like to see video replay if there's any floating about.

[Valencia]

Looked to me that the keeper handled outside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Looked to me like mcginn was fouled inside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Thoughts?
Both incidents outside the box for me

[hfc rd]

From where I was sitting in the East, the Morton GK clearly grabs the ball with both hands outside the box. Was astonished how he got away with that!

[The Harp Awakes]

Looked to me that the keeper handled outside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Looked to me like mcginn was fouled inside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Thoughts?

Edit: I sit in line with the 18 yard line

The keeper handled outside the box 100%.

I think McGinn was outside the box when he was fouled though.

[wookie70]

I didn't have the best view of either but I thought both were outside the box. The Keeper one looked clearly outside.

[speedy_gonzales]

I thought the keeper had his feet on the line but he was leaning right out to catch so handball for me, as per the lino was yards behind play so have himself no chance to give a fair call.
McGinn was tackled just outside but either his momentum or his "Tom Daley" lunge made sure he landed well inside the box.

[wookie70]

Looks just outside on the highlights but difficult to be sure

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[Jones28]

I thought it was out the box from the west upper on the wrong side of the half way line. Height did help however, difficult for the ref but the linesman would have had a better chance.

[Big90inOz]

From the TV , I would say definitely 100% outside the box

[wookie70]

McGinns was definitely outside.

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[tamig]

Looked to me that the keeper handled outside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Looked to me like mcginn was fouled inside the box but benefit of doubt given to Morton.

Thoughts?

Edit: I sit in line with the 18 yard line
I'm in the FF right behind where it happened. I could see his feet on the line so it had to be outside the box. Another thing I noticed tonight was that the East linesman was very poor at keeping up with play. His positioning was terrible and he was out of position to make the correct call on this incident imo.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm in the FF right behind where it happened. I could see his feet on the line so it had to be outside the box. Another thing I noticed tonight was that the East linesman was very poor at keeping up with play. His positioning was terrible and he was out of position to make the correct call on this incident imo.
Doesn't the line form part of the box? So if a foul happens on the line it's a penalty. If the keeper handled it on the line it's OK.

Personally, I thought his hands were outside the box.

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[JimBHibees]

I'm in the FF right behind where it happened. I could see his feet on the line so it had to be outside the box. Another thing I noticed tonight was that the East linesman was very poor at keeping up with play. His positioning was terrible and he was out of position to make the correct call on this incident imo.

On the line is inside the box.

[Pretty Boy]

Tbf to the ref with the handball he looked over to his linesman who was bang in line with the incident and got nothing from him. He even gestured to him to say something.

Can't blame him for looking for help as the linesman had a far better angle. What the ref seems to have forgotten is that linesman are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to making decisions.

[Allant1981]

keeper caught it outside the box, i was right in line with it

[Marco G]

Looks just outside on the highlights but difficult to be sure

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This is after he has pulled the ball into his arms. Arms looked well outside when he first handled it and stopped Boyle getting a run in on goal. Should have been a red card. Only linesman knows why he did not flag it!

[tamig]

Doesn't the line form part of the box? So if a foul happens on the line it's a penalty. If the keeper handled it on the line it's OK.

Personally, I thought his hands were outside the box.

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On the line is in the box. The point I was making was that his feet were on the line but his hands were forward of that.

[Johnny Clash]

keeper caught it outside the box, i was right in line with it

The instant reaction form the fans inline with the handling incident suggests it was outside the box. It looked like literally everyone jumped to their feet and shouted.

[tamig]

Tbf to the ref with the handball he looked over to his linesman who was bang in line with the incident and got nothing from him. He even gestured to him to say something.

Can't blame him for looking for help as the linesman had a far better angle. What the ref seems to have forgotten is that linesman are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to making decisions.

The linesman was late in arriving on the scene imo. He was behind play and wasn't in line with the incident at the moment it -the in or out move - took place.

[eastcoasthibby]

The keeper took the ball into his hands outside the box, the give away part was that he came backwards when he recieved the ball to get inside it ....he knew it if your in the box then your in why go back a step or so ??
Absolutely right that east stand linesman was woeful he is still out here trying to make a decision yet as to whether to in and get changed out of his kit ! At times was 4-5 yards of the line of play.
Do these people just apply from off the street and are given a couple of weeks training before they are given a game ??? Because most haven't a clue ...

[wookie70]

This is after he has pulled the ball into his arms. Arms looked well outside when he first handled it and stopped Boyle getting a run in on goal. Should have been a red card. Only linesman knows why he did not flag it!

I was quite careful to get the ball at its furthest point outside the box. Feel free to get a better picture.

[brog]

I was quite careful to get the ball at its furthest point outside the box. Feel free to get a better picture.

Well done with that. Per the pic both feet are on the line, ie in the box, therefore even if ball was forward of his feet it would be an extremely tough call to make. However we do often see corners given when a keeper is inside the playing area but his arms are over the goal line. The consequences however are far less punitive which may have influenced the decision making.

[mcohibs]

On the line is inside the box.

Think he's saying that if the keeper's feet were on the line then then the ball has to be outside the box, given that he's holding it in front of him

[Marco G]

I was quite careful to get the ball at its furthest point outside the box. Feel free to get a better picture.
Fair enough, in that case it was a tough one for the lino to call. But from my seat behind the goals keeper clearly handled outside the box!😆

[InchHibby]

That picture shows the ball is outside the box and from where I sit in the West Upper his arms were, when initially grabbing the ball, more outstretched outside the box, making it an even more simple decision for the linesman.

[tamig]

Think he's saying that if the keeper's feet were on the line then then the ball has to be outside the box, given that he's holding it in front of him

Exactly.

[Moulin Yarns]

found this, confirms it is the position of the ball that dictates


Unlike many sports regulations, in which foot positioning matters, the position of the ball dictates whether the goalie can touch it. If the ball is over the line and the goalie is holding it, then the referee may blow the whistle and stop play. Conversely, a goalie who is standing completely outside the box may touch a ball that is inside the goal box area without penalty.

[Bishop Hibee]

This was actually the worst officiating decision of the game. A foot outside the box when the keeper pulled it into his body. Linesman bottled it.

[wookie70]

I have watched it about 20 times and he doesn't pull the ball back. The still I posted is as far as he went outside the box. Very close but certainly not definitive on the footage. The linesman is out of shot but when McGinn takes the quick free kick he is correctly in line with the last man. He just isn't quick enough to keep up with Boyle and their defenders so ends up, to our cost probably, in a terrible position to make the decision. I think the fact the keeper doesn't pull it into his body helps him as does the way he is curled round the ball. I had another go at a freeze frame. No lino in sight and I am sure this is as far out the box as the ball got.


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[mim]

My feeling at the time (and I've seen nothing to change my mind) was that the keeper got in position on the edge of the box and was looking straight down at the line, waiting for the ball to reach there and grabbed it right over the line.

We'll never know for sure, but all this 'a foot outside the box' stuff is frankly nonsense.

[Dibben]

I have watched it about 20 times and he doesn't pull the ball back. The still I posted is as far as he went outside the box. Very close but certainly not definitive on the footage. The linesman is out of shot but when McGinn takes the quick free kick he is correctly in line with the last man. He just isn't quick enough to keep up with Boyle and their defenders so ends up, to our cost probably, in a terrible position to make the decision. I think the fact the keeper doesn't pull it into his body helps him as does the way he is curled round the ball. I had another go at a freeze frame. No lino in sight and I am sure this is as far out the box as the ball got.


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In this picture, the ball looks to be directly above his foot - which is outside the box! However, it's done now - it doesn't look as clear cut as initially thought! Linesman however should have been able to make that call!!

[brog]

That picture shows the ball is outside the box and from where I sit in the West Upper his arms were, when initially grabbing the ball, more outstretched outside the box, making it an even more simple decision for the linesman.

I don't think it does 100% show the ball as being outside the box, remember, the whole ball has to be outside. The main thing is though, hours after the game & with the benefit of replays & freeze frames we still can't be certain. I think we can for once give the officials the benefit of the doubt here.

[StevieCowan]

I don't think it does 100% show the ball as being outside the box, remember, the whole ball has to be outside. The main thing is though, hours after the game & with the benefit of replays & freeze frames we still can't be certain. I think we can for once give the officials the benefit of the doubt here.

It needs to be his hand that touches the ball outside the box rather than the whole ball being out, surely?

[Beefster]

We'll never know for sure, but all this 'a foot outside the box' stuff is frankly nonsense.

Agreed. It was closer to six feet.

[brog]

It needs to be his hand that touches the ball outside the box rather than the whole ball being out, surely?
Sure. Other posters however are saying the ball is clearly out the box, I don't think it is. If his hand is on the ball, any part of which is in the box, there's no problem.

[tamig]

found this, confirms it is the position of the ball that dictates

I didn't think there was any debate as to what the rule was tbh.

[gaz1875]

His feet are outside the box, there is no way the ball was inside.

[Billy Whizz]

In this picture, the ball looks to be directly above his foot - which is outside the box! However, it's done now - it doesn't look as clear cut as initially thought! Linesman however should have been able to make that call!!

Unfortunately the linesman was a bit behind play, as the ball was played forward quickly, and he couldn't keep up with Boyle. So he wasn't in a position to give it!

[StevieCowan]

Sure. Other posters however are saying the ball is clearly out the box, I don't think it is. If his hand is on the ball, any part of which is in the box, there's no problem.

Any part of his hand touching the ball outside the box is a foul

[renato]

I was bang in line with the incident. He definitely caught the ball outside the box. All the fans in the east and west, in line with the edge of the box, were screaming for it - and rightly so.

Anyway, it's done now.

[brog]

[QUOTE=StevieCowan;4994428]Any part of his hand touching the ball outside the box is a foul[/QUOTE

Only if the ball is outside the box. When I took my badge one of the key areas of emphasis was that the whole of the ball has to be over the line, any line. They actually did a test, & I think still do, where trainee refs stand at the pen spot or 18 yard line & have to say if a ball, near the goal line is in or out of play. They always place one ball with part of the ball resting on the ground beyond the line. Invariably the call is out of play & it's wrong because the curvature of the ball is actually above the line.No ref is ever going to be able to say a hand is over the line when the ball is on or above the line. Jeez,they can't even get it right when LG puts one 2 yards over. :wink:

[Monts]

[QUOTE=StevieCowan;4994428]Any part of his hand touching the ball outside the box is a foul[/QUOTE

Only if the ball is outside the box. When I took my badge one of the key areas of emphasis was that the whole of the ball has to be over the line, any line. They actually did a test, & I think still do, where trainee refs stand at the pen spot or 18 yard line & have to say if a ball, near the goal line is in or out of play. They always place one ball with part of the ball resting on the ground beyond the line. Invariably the call is out of play & it's wrong because the curvature of the ball is actually above the line.No ref is ever going to be able to say a hand is over the line when the ball is on or above the line. Jeez,they can't even get it right when LG puts one 2 yards over. :wink:

I think that mistake happens a lot when a player goes to the byline and stretches to keep it in. Invariably given as having crossed the line when i think a lot of the time the whole ball hasn't.

[StevieCowan]

[QUOTE=brog;4994710]

I think that mistake happens a lot when a player goes to the byline and stretches to keep it in. Invariably given as having crossed the line when i think a lot of the time the whole ball hasn't.

Completely different, your talking about ball in/out of play.

A GK isn't allowed to touch the ball with any part of his hand or arm outside of the penalty area.