Shooting at House of Commons

[SHODAN]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/22/peers-say-brexit-with-no-trade-deal-would-cause-signicicant-damage-to-service-sector-politics-live

Reports of 2 being shot in entrance to Commons, gunman shot, someone seen with a knife, car also been crashed near the building.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/22/peers-say-brexit-with-no-trade-deal-would-cause-signicicant-damage-to-service-sector-politics-live

Reports of 2 being shot in entrance to Commons, gunman shot, someone seen with a knife, car also been crashed near the building.

Lot of people injured by car on Westminster Bridge, apparently

[cabbageandribs1875]

multiple people are injured after being hit by a vehicle on westminster bridge, car was driven along the pavement deliberately hitting them, driver then drove through westminster gates,witnesses describe him as a middle-aged asian man carrying a 7/8 inch knife, stabbed a police officer, and was himself shot by armed police officer, stabbed police officer is receiving treatment, not sure yet if the attacker is just injured or dead, parliament is in lockdown

[Moulin Yarns]

Scotland Yard said in a statement: "Police are asking people to avoid the following areas: Parliament Square; Whitehall; Westminster Bridge; Lambeth Bridge; Victoria Street up to the junction with Broadway and the Victoria Embankment up to Embankment tube. "This is to allow the emergency services to deal with the ongoing incident.
"Officers - including firearms officers - remain on the scene and we are treating this as a terrorist incident until we know otherwise. "We thank the public for their assistance."

[lyonhibs]

My wee sister walks across that bridge every day to work. Mercifully it's her day off today.

Fingers crossed no one is permanently injured or heaven forbid dead as a result. Apart, obviously, from the sicko **** of a perpetrator.

[Sylar]

It's chaos down here!

Sirens, helicopters and armed police all over the place. Corden being widened away from Westminster - tube station shut.

What a day to be down here for a meeting.

[cabbageandribs1875]

witness saw a body lying face down in the water

[Moulin Yarns]

A planned evacuation of Parliament has been halted after an announcement was made saying there was a suspicious package in a vehicle and the bomb squad had been called.

[cabbageandribs1875]

one woman dead, others injured, some with catastrophic injuries

[Betty Boop]

Scottish Parliament vote suspended.

[Slavers]

London Eye also locked down, those still on it are being taken for a ride

I don't think it's the time for making jokes about this incident.

[Moulin Yarns]

Scottish Parliament vote suspended.

Welsh Assembly as well.

Being reported that Sky News have filmed victims so they can be identified.

One guy couldn't help himself taking a selfie

[cabbageandribs1875]

two people now dead

[Allant1981]

London Eye also locked down, those still on it are being taken for a ride

not the time

[Moulin Yarns]

two people now dead

Think the attacker is the second one.

[Moulin Yarns]

not the time

Apologies

[Pretty Boy]

Think the attacker is the second one.

Shame. Genuinely, probably exactly what he wanted.

[frazeHFC]

14 major terror attacks thwarted by couter terrorism police in the past 4 years. They do a great job but one was always going to happen at some point. Terrible.

[northstandhibby]

My sympathies go to the folk hurt in this latest cowardly outrage. God bless all.

glory glory

[cabbageandribs1875]

Think the attacker is the second one.



unfortunately not, the piece of filth has been taken in to A&E under heavy guard

[EH6 Hibby]

Police officer has now died also. How awful.

[steakbake]

As a slightly resigned cynic to human nature, it was only really a matter of time.

Reading some pretty mad info that on 4chan yesterday (I have no idea what that actually is), details of the attack: location, time etc - was posted on one of their forums.

Appalling that people go out one day to go about their business and don't come home because someone, somewhere had a plan for something at which only circumstance placed them in the way.

[Hibernia&Alba]

unfortunately not, the piece of filth has been taken in to A&E under heavy guard

At least taking such people alive may provide the opportunity to question him/them and possibly penetrate the mindset of these people. Also denies him the martyrdom he was probably seeking.

[steakbake]

At least taking such people alive may provide the opportunity to question him/them and possibly penetrate the mindset of these people. Also denies him the martyrdom he was probably seeking.

IF indeed, it was martyrdom he was after. We shall no doubt be informed something...

[Pretty Boy]

Police officer has now died also. How awful.

Brutal.

It's amazing to see so many people rallying around trying to help other though. For all stuff like this shows human nature at it's worst, it also shows it at it's best.

[Pretty Boy]

4 now confirmed as having died.

[Hibernia&Alba]

4 now confirmed as having died.

Hit by car?

[Pretty Boy]

Hit by car?

1 police officer, the attacker and 2 on the bridge.

[pontius pilate]

Tobias Ellwood gave cpr and mouth to mouth to one of the injured on the bridge all the while others walk past looking into thier phones. I despair with the human race sometimes why do people walk past those in serious news of help???. We live in a beautiful world with some horrible evil people

[Hibernia&Alba]

Tobias Ellwood gave cpr and mouth to mouth to one of the injured on the bridge all the while others walk past looking into thier phones. I despair with the human race sometimes why do people walk past those in serious news of help???. We live in a beautiful world with some horrible evil people

I can never understand why there are always folk filming such things when they could be helping. Why do that?

[Colr]

Our office is in Westminster and I go past the HofP a couple of times a day.

Feeling was shock but also that people coping as best they could as it was expected.

[pontius pilate]

I can never understand why there are always folk filming such things when they could be helping. Why do that?

I have no idea and in my mind just as bad as the perpetrators haesh maybe but they could be saving a life. Massive kudos to all those emergency and non emergency persons who rushed to help

[Beefster]

Tobias Ellwood gave cpr and mouth to mouth to one of the injured on the bridge all the while others walk past looking into thier phones. I despair with the human race sometimes why do people walk past those in serious news of help???. We live in a beautiful world with some horrible evil people

The flip side is that the Tory MP demonstrated that not every MP is a self-important cretin only in it for themselves.

[Sir David Gray]

Shocking incident but only a matter of time before something like this would happen on UK soil.

Attacks of this nature need very little planning and is almost impossible to prevent.

My deepest sympathies go out to everyone who has been affected by this awful incident and I hope those who were first on the scene and witnessed the horrific injuries that had been suffered can get the help and support that they will undoubtedly need to overcome the psychological impact that something like this will cause.

As for the $cum who committed this act, I hope you rot in Hell.

[pontius pilate]

The flip side is that the Tory MP demonstrated that not every MP is a self-important cretin only in it for themselves.

Thats the point i was trying to make i never put it accross properly

[pontius pilate]

Just another quick point if you can call it that. Those poor poor school kids who were there on a visit must be absolutely distraught getting caught up in it all. I heard a MP saying that the adults were trying to keep them calm and amused. I only hope and pray they make a full and sound recovery. For speed to them all

[CapitalGreen]

Tobias Ellwood gave cpr and mouth to mouth to one of the injured on the bridge all the while others walk past looking into thier phones. I despair with the human race sometimes why do people walk past those in serious news of help???. We live in a beautiful world with some horrible evil people

Tobias Elwood wasn't on Westminster Bridge, he was within the parliament grounds. He was tending to the injured police officer with other police officers. There would have been no members of the public within this area.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7iiLwRXwAEoVvh.jpg

[Colr]

Tobias Elwood wasn't on Westminster Bridge, he was within the parliament grounds. He was tending to the injured police officer with other police officers. There would have been no members of the public within this area.

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Members of the public who have been in the HofP exit through this area so it is possible.

[CapitalGreen]

Members of the public who have been in the HofP exit through this area so it is possible.

Do you think the security services would allow members of the public to exit the parliament past the scene of a terrorist attack?

[ronaldo7]

Tobias Elwood wasn't on Westminster Bridge, he was within the parliament grounds. He was tending to the injured police officer with other police officers. There would have been no members of the public within this area.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7iiLwRXwAEoVvh.jpg

You're correct, he was tending to the police officer within the grounds, however in all fairness to him, he ran towards the assailant, whilst others were running the other way.

[CapitalGreen]

You're correct, he was tending to the police officer within the grounds, however in all fairness to him, he ran towards the assailant, whilst others were running the other way.

And fair play to him, it was exceptionally brave of him to do so.

I just think it's a strange reaction to criticise the actions of innocent bystanders caught up in a terrorist attack. None of us know how we would react in such situations. I imagine the scene at the time was chaos, with reports of a second assailant still at large. Perhaps those on their phones were contacting loved ones nearby to make sure they were ok.

[Colr]

Do you think the security services would allow members of the public to exit the parliament past the scene of a terrorist attack?

I was saying that ordinarily, members of the public are in that area.

[ronaldo7]

And fair play to him, it was exceptionally brave of him to do so.

I just think it's a strange reaction to criticise the actions of innocent bystanders caught up in a terrorist attack. None of us know how we would react in such situations. I imagine the scene at the time was chaos, with reports of a second assailant still at large. Perhaps those on their phones were contacting loved ones nearby to make sure they were ok.

:agree: If only a few Weegie baggage handlers had been in the area.:wink:

[greenlex]

:agree: If only a few Weegie baggage handlers had been in the area.:wink:

Who ironically was unsuccessfully almost pushed into being an MP.

[Hibrandenburg]

And fair play to him, it was exceptionally brave of him to do so.

I just think it's a strange reaction to criticise the actions of innocent bystanders caught up in a terrorist attack. None of us know how we would react in such situations. I imagine the scene at the time was chaos, with reports of a second assailant still at large. Perhaps those on their phones were contacting loved ones nearby to make sure they were ok.

I've seen the craziest of reactions in similar situations. Some people spring into action, others flee or freeze.

[silverhibee]

I've seen the craziest of reactions in similar situations. Some people spring into action, others flee or freeze.

You really don't know how you would react to something like this, folk filming stuff, it will be good evidence for the police to view and Scotland Yard are asking anyone with video evidence to bring it forward to help in the investigation.

I was up visiting my mum today when this 1st came on the news, was watching sky news, when folk were 1st being interviewed about the car knocking people down on the bridge, they said it was a black car, one guy was confident that it was a black Mitsibushi jeep, the car that crashed was certainly not black, but further along the road from the silver car there is a black Mitsibushi station wagon in the middle of the road which looks like it has hit a traffic light.

[cabbageandribs1875]

3rd member of the public has sadly died

[steakbake]

Something very odd about this. No name of a suspect, which was pretty much known a couple of hours after similar attacks. Variation in descriptions from witnesses: according to early reports, it was two men - one black and one white. Now it's a grey Hyundai i40 not a black 4x4 that had been photographed. First it was a group in the car, now it appears to be a single person.

It has I suppose, only been a few hours but still...

[silverhibee]

Something very odd about this. No name of a suspect, which was pretty much known a couple of hours after similar attacks. Variation in descriptions from witnesses: according to early reports, it was two men - one black and one white. Now it's a grey Hyundai i40 not a black 4x4 that had been photographed. First it was a group in the car, now it appears to be a single person.

It has I suppose, only been a few hours but still...

Same folk who are on the news being interviewed every hour, one woman saying she heard shots before the car mounted the pavement and she said it looked like a number of bodies lying on the ground, she seemed to think they had been shot, as i said, folk who were being interviewed at 1st were quoted as seeing a black jeep, the crashed car against the fence, no way in broad day light would you think the colour of that car was black, just watching Sky news just now and a Asian guy said he definatley seen a black car.

If you see the helicopter view you can cleary see a black Mitsubushi up against a lamp post, they are now talking about that the attacker is known to police and may have been under survaillance at the time.

[Colr]

Something very odd about this. No name of a suspect, which was pretty much known a couple of hours after similar attacks. Variation in descriptions from witnesses: according to early reports, it was two men - one black and one white. Now it's a grey Hyundai i40 not a black 4x4 that had been photographed. First it was a group in the car, now it appears to be a single person.

It has I suppose, only been a few hours but still...

Its not ofd at all. It happened in an instant.

[steakbake]

Its not ofd at all. It happened in an instant.

Possibly so. See what is said in the next few days

[Bristolhibby]

And fair play to him, it was exceptionally brave of him to do so.

I just think it's a strange reaction to criticise the actions of innocent bystanders caught up in a terrorist attack. None of us know how we would react in such situations. I imagine the scene at the time was chaos, with reports of a second assailant still at large. Perhaps those on their phones were contacting loved ones nearby to make sure they were ok.

Also as has been requested by the police, people filming provides valuable evidence.

J

[RyeSloan]

Its not ofd at all. It happened in an instant.

Indeed. Eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable.

Cowardly, pointless attack and my thoughts are with those impacted by the tragic events of yesterday.

[Colr]

Indeed. Eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable.

Cowardly, pointless attack and my thoughts are with those impacted by the tragic events of yesterday.

The gate he ran in through is only blocked by a standard crush barrier which is opened and closed to let MPs cars through. There's usually 4 or more police there and my initial thought was why they didn't shoot him straight away rather than after he had killed a police office. However, the fact they got him so quickly is down to armed police being stationed there.

I would say, though, that there are often tourists buzzing around take picture and selfies with police. the officers try and accomodate them. They are a pretty friendly bunch.

However, there also protesters. Sometimes they are organised and roped off on the green but often they are individuals or a handful of people trying to draw attention to themselves and tring to get past security.

On Monday there were two of them protesting about the Birmingham 3 (I don't know who they are) jumping infront of traffic and diverting the officers from the gate. The fathers for justice and countryside allliance do similar things.

This must cause hesitiation for armed officers whilst they assess whether there is a genuine threat or whether it is one of these relatively harmless nutters.

There have been similar instances with Black Lives Matter at airports.

The courts don't really deal with these offenses seriously enough to deter them in my view but they need to start to as the disruption they cause has serious implications for others.

[GreenLake]

Another despicable attack launched against innocent people.

The states, entities and individuals who spawn these terrorists with their ideological and religious brainwashing should be destroyed.

[Moulin Yarns]

A scarf has been placed by Charlton Athletic on Seat 166 in the East Stand at The Valley - the seat of season-ticket holder PC Keith Palmer.

[wpj]

A scarf has been placed by Charlton Athletic on Seat 166 in the East Stand at The Valley - the seat of season-ticket holder PC Keith Palmer.

That is when it becomes "real" rather than a news story if you know what I mean, we all sit next to people at the football and always expect them to be there at the next match. So sad for his family, colleagues and friends.

[Moulin Yarns]

The man police believe to be responsible for the terrorist attack in Westminster has been formally identified as Khalid Masood, Scotland Yard says. Masood, aged 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands.
Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack, police say.
However, he was known to the police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.
He has not been convicted of any terrorism offences.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The man police believe to be responsible for the terrorist attack in Westminster has been formally identified as Khalid Masood, Scotland Yard says. Masood, aged 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands.
Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack, police say.
However, he was known to the police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.
He has not been convicted of any terrorism offences.

It's impossible to prevent such an attack, when the culprit isn't known for any terrorist activity and uses a car as a weapon. Absolutely anyone could do it.

[speedy_gonzales]

There's usually 4 or more police there and my initial thought was why they didn't shoot him straight away rather than after he had killed a police office. However, the fact they got him so quickly is down to armed police being stationed there.

Listening to Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 this afternoon and it was mentioned that the attacker was shot by a ministers personal protection, not the armed police. No idea if there is any truth in it mind, still early days when it comes to the unveiling of how the afternoon unfolded.

[greenlex]

The man police believe to be responsible for the terrorist attack in Westminster has been formally identified as Khalid Masood, Scotland Yard says. Masood, aged 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands.
Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack, police say.
However, he was known to the police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.
He has not been convicted of any terrorism offences.
I wonder what the criteria is for differentiating between nutter thinking he is one and an actual terrorist? Is there a difference?

[makaveli1875]

I wonder what the criteria is for differentiating between nutter thinking he is one and an actual terrorist? Is there a difference?

i would say that as soon as the nutter thinking he is one goes out and murders people he has become one

[Colr]

Listening to Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 this afternoon and it was mentioned that the attacker was shot by a ministers personal protection, not the armed police. No idea if there is any truth in it mind, still early days when it comes to the unveiling of how the afternoon unfolded.

Makes you question if all police should be armed around there and maybe generally.

[Scouse Hibee]

Listening to Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 this afternoon and it was mentioned that the attacker was shot by a ministers personal protection, not the armed police. No idea if there is any truth in it mind, still early days when it comes to the unveiling of how the afternoon unfolded.

Not that it matters but the ministers close protection would have still been an armed cop. Whoever it was put three rounds into the guy and made sure he stopped him.The scary thing is had he not been present how far would the guy have got injuring others.

[stantonhibby]

I know the PC who died wasn't armed but do they not all wear stab vests?

[makaveli1875]

I know the PC who died wasn't armed but do they not all wear stab vests?

thats what i thought , reports seem to be suggesting he wasnt wearing 1 though

[cabbageandribs1875]

a 75 year old victim had his life support machine turned off last night

[Moulin Yarns]

Not sure if this is the right place, but there is an appeal to raise money to help support the families of the attack on Westminster Bridge. Not just the policeman.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/westminster

[Scouse Hibee]

I know the PC who died wasn't armed but do they not all wear stab vests?

By all accounts the guy was swinging two large knives, plenty damage could be done even with a vest to other parts of the body.

[The Pointer]

Heard it suggested he was stabbed in the side, around the armpit.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Not sure if this is the right place, but there is an appeal to raise money to help support the families of the attack on Westminster Bridge. Not just the policeman.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/westminster


i was having a wee search on that justgiving site last night and noticed some group ones for the families of the members of the public that died, and some individual ones, i see the one for the PC is presently an astonishing £710,000, then i read a few papers were up in arms over justgiving not waiving the £30,000 they've already received as their 'cut' (they take 5p for each £ donated) and today justgiving have started putting a freeze on some of the people that have been setting up the donation pages, especially this one


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39391865

Concerns about fraud have prompted fund-raising website JustGiving to review all pages raising money for the victims of the Westminster attack.
Money raised for victims will not be automatically released until verified.
For the first time, the company has taken direct control of a crowd-funding page, which any individual can set up.
Concerns were raised over a fund for the family of Aysha Frade, after a person who set up the page had the same name as a woman convicted of fraud.


shame on any shyster trying to make a fast buck out of this event :bitchy:

[pontius pilate]

I believe just giving also donated £10,000 so it's really only £20,000 that have taken off for admin fees etc. Imo I don't see nothing wrong in what just giving are doing.

[CapitalGreen]

I believe just giving also donated £10,000 so it's really only £20,000 that have taken off for admin fees etc. Imo I don't see nothing wrong in what just giving are doing.

Exactly, JustGiving are a business providing a service. If people are not happy with the service fees, don't use the service.

[johnbc70]

Virgin Money Giving is same service as justgiving etc and they make no profit at all, more money for the charity and good cause.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the young woman that was in the water had her life support turned off last night, her boyfriend was planning to propose to her during their day out, heartbreaking

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39525596

[G B Young]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39736733

Another potential attack in the Westminster area thwarted it would seem. Credit to the security forces by the sounds of it.

It's a depressing fact of life these days that we've come to expect such things on a regular basis. With last week's murder of the policeman on the Champs Elysees there was almost a sense of 'yup, it's been a few weeks since the last attack...we were due another one'