Getting sick of mediocrity under Lennon

[Winston Ingram]

You could say there were mitigating circumstances for some of that though given we got to 2 cup finals.
We were papped out in the early rounds this year and have had no call offs for Internationals.
But you carry on thinking it was because of an away result that the op is sick of mediocrity, we both know that's bs.

I accept players can get tired travelling thousands of miles around Europe playing against Elite opposition & spending hour in airports in but I don't accept it as an excuse when rarely having to travel over 50 miles for an away game against poor opposition.

On top of that, it didn't seem to bother Sevco who played more games than we did last year.

I don't think it was just cos of an away result. Mediocrity has been embedded in our last 2 league camapaigns home and away.

[broondog]

Getting sick of Lennon blaming everyone else for bad results and his detachment from any accountability. He is a dud - his signings have been garbage, his tactics and ability to work with the players at his disposal are shocking and his eye-bleeding football is simply dire. Yesterday was the latest in a long line of crap performances this year - I hope we get up, but I equally hope this imposter is out of the club by June.

as ive said don't think he is a dud, just extremely average. Have you actually been watching us recently? The players have delivered spineless performances that you cant entirely blame the manager for. Lennon can motivate as could be seen in the derby, but the players themselves need to shoulder the blame for the dross we have witnessed this season

[Greenwich_Hibby]

as ive said don't think he is a dud, just extremely average. Have you actually been watching us recently? The players have delivered spineless performances that you cant entirely blame the manager for. Lennon can motivate as could be seen in the derby, but the players themselves need to shoulder the blame for the dross we have witnessed this season

Yes, season ticket holder and I attend most games, home and away. Not sure I get the argument- how can motivation for the derby result (which in reality was a dire game in which neither side played much football or created many chances) be down to Lennon but the poor games are not?

[HFCdeb]

We are where we are because the competition is significantly weaker - he has improved us defensively but we are scraping by in a p*ss poor league, with a poor goals for stat. We are 7 points clear with 12 games to go but our form is not good.

How in God's name can you claim "our form is not good" when we've lost two league games all season? That's absolutely mental in my opinion. We don't lose football matches under Lennon, we're top of the league and we'll be promoted as champions.

[Northernhibee]

I don't, but the OP was saying he was sick of mediocrity after an away result. We won 7 out of 20 league and playoff games away from home last year. That's not mediocre, that's *****.

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.

[Greenwich_Hibby]

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.

This.

[HFCdeb]

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.

Lennon lost McGinn, Fyvie, Keatings and Marciano for a large chunk of our winter fixtures and still lost less games than Stubbs did in similar circumstances.

[WeeRussell]

Lennon lost McGinn, Fyvie, Keatings and Marciano for a large chunk of our winter fixtures and still lost less games than Stubbs did in similar circumstances.

He also chose to leave out the one man we can count on to score goals when struggling, for a large chunk of fixtures.

Swings and roundabouts.

[stantonhibby]

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.

So Utd just handed us back the lead..................nothing to do with our form then, including skelping them 3-0 at E Rd ?

[HibsNutter]

I'd love to come back and look at this thread in a year, I'm pretty sure some of the doubters will be cringing looking back.

[Super_JMcGinn]

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.

:top marks Sums it up perfectly for me.

[Super_JMcGinn]

I'd love to come back and look at this thread in a year, I'm pretty sure some of the doubters will be cringing looking back.

I genuinely hope you're right but based on what I've seen this season I highly doubt it.

[HFCdeb]

He also chose to leave out the one man we can count on to score goals when struggling, for a large chunk of fixtures.

Swings and roundabouts.

He gave Jason several chances to contribute more and he didn't take them. He dropped him and others stepped up and started scoring. My view was that it was good management and showed the rest of the team that they don't need to rely solely on Cummings to get the goals.
Cummings was played no matter what under Stubbs. He took his place for granted. I don't think he does now.

[MrSmith]

I'd love to come back and look at this thread in a year, I'm pretty sure some of the doubters will be cringing looking back.

I'm sure we will find out who they really support then ... :cb

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.

He's on a 2 year contract so you're actually calling for him to be sacked in the summer??

I doubt we'd be top of the league if Stubbs was in charge. Lennon continues to have my full support.

[HFCdeb]

He's on a 2 year contract so you're actually calling for him to be sacked in the summer??

I doubt we'd be top of the league if Stubbs was in charge. Lennon continues to have my full support.

I agree. Stubbs showed, twice, that he didn't have the nitty gritty requirements to complete a successful league campaign. His derby and big game record is excellent but those games didn't lose us promotion did they?

[pacoluna]

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.
Its quite obvious that through your evaluation you are giving us the pros that came with stubbs and all the cons that come with lennon but not the opposite way about. All you need to say is you prefer stubbs over lennon. One fact puts all your perspective to bed, regardless of opposition hibs are at the top of the league by 7 points the same league we failed to get out of two seasons in a row

[broondog]

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.


To be honest mate I don´t think anyone is calling for him to be sacked just now if you read comments on the thread. I have also yet to see or speak to anyone who wants him to stay on next season. He is average but that´s all he needs to be to get the job done this season.

I think we absolutely must have a new manager next season along with a clearout if we want to survive in the SPL.

[Super_JMcGinn]

He's on a 2 year contract so you're actually calling for him to be sacked in the summer??

I doubt we'd be top of the league if Stubbs was in charge. Lennon continues to have my full support.

If Stubbs was in charge I have no doubts we would be well clear and have it wrapped up by now.

You all seem to conveniently forget the shambles we were when he took over and it was his FIRST managerial post, he took us to 2 cup finals and the greatest day in living memory for most of us, not bad for a rookie eh ?

Lennon was supposed to be this great manager with experience at Champions league level etc and skoosh us this league, where it might still happen and I believe it will, the style and brand of football that he has us playing right now is brutal and will not be tolerated when we do go up.

[Ozyhibby]

I agree. Stubbs showed, twice, that he didn't have the nitty gritty requirements to complete a successful league campaign. His derby and big game record is excellent but those games didn't lose us promotion did they?

Stubbs and Lennon have similar records against the teams in the league just now. We have not improved at all under Lennon.
However I don't want Stubbs back and I don't think the problem is with Lennon's management style or tactics. It was terrible recruitment over the summer and at Xmas that has us pretty much relying on what's is left of last seasons team minus Henderson and Stokes. None of the new signings this season seem able to hold down a place in the team. Saturday's starting line up had only Marciano and Graham who were not here last season.
Who is ultimately responsible for recruitment at Hibs now? It's unclear if it's George Craig and Greame Mathie or if it's the manager.
The fact is that we needed to recruit players for this season who would improve our goals for column. We failed to do it. Have the board backed the manager? I'm not sure the quality we brought in reflects the crowds we are now achieving.


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[Winston Ingram]

I'm bored of mediocrity throughout large parts of the season, not just one result. We were hamstrung by a combination of key injuries last season and endless midweek fixtures post Christmas due to competing on three fronts. The team was knackered. We also had a revived Rangers in the league.

Lennon has had it easier and yet he'd be even further behind last season's effort as things stand. Stubbs wasn't the best in the league but he had some dreadful luck too. I don't think Lennon has had to compete with that on the same degree.

This isn't a one game kneejerk from me, we conceded the lead in the league in December for United to hand it back to us. At a time when we need to be winning and capitalising we're dropping points again. I don't like his brand of football and I feel that he's been fortunate that United haven't done well either.

I'm no doom and gloomer as my posts in seasons gone by will show. I just don't rate Lennon. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I just think we consider who we could get in the hotseat for next season.


I'm struggling to remember what bad luck we had. I do remember us constantly chucking in late goals from set pieces in the last few minutes, but when you do it constantly over 2 years, luck really ceases to have anything to do with it.

The injuries we had are as bad if not worse than lastyears. Fyvie was out for 6 weeks, McGinn was out for 2 months, McGeouch is out as always and at one stage they were all out at once! Add Hanlon to that as well.

I'm not having this we were knackered nonsense. We played less games than Sevco last year and it didn't bother them. As i said earlier, I accept players can get tired travelling thousands of miles around Europe playing against superfit elite opposition & spending hours in airports and nights in hotels. I don't accept it as an excuse when rarely having to travel over 50 miles for an away game against very poor opposition, some of which were part time and had done a days work before playing us. On top of that most of our cup run was at home!

Compare that to the English Championship. They play 3 games a week for a whole season and travel far more than we do and they all cope. If we were 'knackered' it was likely down to us not being fit enough which is absolutely astounding as we have training facilities that piss all over about 90% of Scottish Football.

As for our brand of football, I've not really noticed any real difference in the style. It's still too narrow and we play this ****** diamond too often. The only real difference i've noticed is that NL is inclined to use wide players more and we chuck in significantly less goals from set pieces.

[Super_JMcGinn]

I'm struggling to remember what bad luck we had. I do remember us constantly chucking in late goals from set pieces in the last few minutes, but when you do it constantly over 2 years, luck really ceases to have anything to do with it.

The injuries we had are as bad if not worse than lastyears. Fyvie was out for 6 weeks, McGinn was out for 2 months, McGeouch is out as always and at one stage they were all out at once! Add Hanlon to that as well.

I'm not having this we were knackered nonsense. We played less games than Sevco last year and it didn't bother them. As i said earlier, I accept players can get tired travelling thousands of miles around Europe playing against superfit elite opposition & spending hours in airports and nights in hotels. I don't accept it as an excuse when rarely having to travel over 50 miles for an away game against very poor opposition, some of which were part time and had done a days work before playing us. On top of that most of our cup run was at home!

Compare that to the English Championship. They play 3 games a week for a whole season and travel far more than we do and they all cope. If we were 'knackered' it was likely down to us not being fit enough which is absolutely astounding as we have training facilities that piss all over about 90% of Scottish Football.

As for our brand of football, I've not really noticed any real difference in the style. It's still too narrow and we play this ****** diamond too often. The only real difference i've noticed is that NL is inclined to use wide players more and we chuck in significantly less goals from set pieces.

Going round in circles here Winston and I respect your opinion but are you seriously telling me the brand of football on offer just now is not worse than last season ? I'm talking home games here.

And your point about sevco playing more than us, the guy commentating on the final didn't seem to think so, he reckons we played more games than them.

[Ozyhibby]

Going round in circles here Winston and I respect your opinion but are you seriously telling me the brand of football on offer just now is not worse than last season ? I'm talking home games here.

And your point about sevco playing more than us, the guy commentating on the final didn't seem to think so, he reckons we played more games than them.

The brand of football is worse but Stubbs had a better squad to manage.


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[jgl07]

I'm not having this we were knackered nonsense. We played less games than Sevco last year and it didn't bother them.
How do you work that one out?

Hibs played:

36 League matches
4 Play-off matches
7 Scottish Cup matches
6 League Cup matches
1 Challenge Cup match
54 matches in total

Sevco did:

36 League matches
0 Play-off matches
5 Scottish Cup matches
3 League Cup matches
5 Challenge Cup match
49 matches in total

It could be dubious including the Challenge Cup if we are being picky.

[Dashing Bob S]

We are much harder to beat, but football isn't great. I thought we'd turned the corner after the Dundee United game, but we're back in stumbling along mode.

Like Stubbs, Lennon only seems to be able to get one half out of this team. This suggests that issue is one of personnel rather than management.

The truth is that the Scottish Cup winning team had legendary qualities, but it wasn't good enough to get us up. Lennon couldn't change it wholesale - that would have been folly - so he's had to tinker with it. He's done that by making us less soft. However, we are not using our new much vaunted width and pace, and still playing stodgily through the middle.

We seldom look a scoring threat. Under Stubbs we missed loads of chances. Now we seem to have stopped making them.

[superfurryhibby]

How do you work that one out?

Hibs played:

36 League matches
4 Play-off matches
7 Scottish Cup matches
6 League Cup matches
1 Challenge Cup match
54 matches in total

Sevco did:

36 League matches
0 Play-off matches
5 Scottish Cup matches
3 League Cup matches
5 Challenge Cup match
49 matches in total

It could be dubious including the Challenge Cup if we are being picky.

How did the Sevconians play two less Scottish Cup games than us?

Promotion from this League will do me. Next season will see what else Lennon can offer.

[cleanyman]

How did the Sevconians play two less Scottish Cup games than us?

Promotion from this League will do me. Next season will see what else Lennon can offer.

Replays duh

[Winston Ingram]

Going round in circles here Winston and I respect your opinion but are you seriously telling me the brand of football on offer just now is not worse than last season ? I'm talking home games here.

And your point about sevco playing more than us, the guy commentating on the final didn't seem to think so, he reckons we played more games than them.

I honestly don't understand how people would think the football under Stubbs was good. It was decent against teams that wanted to play us but but very bland v teams that didn't. The whole league had worked out how to play v diamond and we just spent our time passing the ball in front of teams intent on defending the width of the box. There was little or no pace to our play whatsoever. Meanwhile, Hearts & Sevco were absolutely hammering them.

[JK Rolling]

The defining element for me is winning this ****ty league.


HOWEVER -


the number of points we will win in doing so will be a maximum of 86 - IF we don't drop any more points.

We got 70 last year with the Huns in the league with us and 70 the year before with the Huns and Yams there.

For me winning the league is everything but we should be absolutely romping this league not stuttering along in the manner we are.

As for Lennon - Meh.

There are numerous other managers out there who would manage this team to winning this league, Lennon has shown himself to be nothing special and his real test will come next season, then we will see if he is good, bad or indifferent. Presently IMO he's indifferent.

[superfurryhibby]

Replays duh

Duh indeed:not worth

Forgot about those replays, money spinning they were.

It would be nice if we could just run into a bit of form, find an effective way of disposing of the crap we play most weeks and enjoy a fairly relaxed and triumphant last few months of the season.

Next season will see a very different Hibs team. Guys like Holt, Shinnie, Humphrey will be gone. Others like Fyvie, McGinn and Cummings may well be elsewhere for different reasons. I also reckon we will look at off loading the likes of McGeouch, Graham and Keatings.

Hopefully SPL football will help ensure that the likes of McGregor and Gray remain at ER, alongside Marciano.

If we can retain the key players then we have a pretty strong spine in the team and hopefully Lennon will buy wisely with the funds freed up etc.

[ancient hibee]

To be honest mate I don´t think anyone is calling for him to be sacked just now if you read comments on the thread. I have also yet to see or speak to anyone who wants him to stay on next season. He is average but that´s all he needs to be to get the job done this season.

I think we absolutely must have a new manager next season along with a clearout if we want to survive in the SPL.
Allow me to be the first.I want him to stay on next season.

[hibbysam]

The defining element for me is winning this ****ty league.


HOWEVER -


the number of points we will win in doing so will be a maximum of 86 - IF we don't drop any more points.

We got 70 last year with the Huns in the league with us and 70 the year before with the Huns and Yams there.

For me winning the league is everything but we should be absolutely romping this league not stuttering along in the manner we are.

As for Lennon - Meh.

There are numerous other managers out there who would manage this team to winning this league, Lennon has shown himself to be nothing special and his real test will come next season, then we will see if he is good, bad or indifferent. Presently IMO he's indifferent.

I keep hearing this '70 with rangers' nonsense, we picked up 6 points against rangers, bettering our points total doesn't necessarily guarantee us winning the league, which is the ONLY bar we have this season. We have went from the opinion last season of promotion at all cost, to 'ach well we might top the league but we won't have enough points, style, goals, width, too negative' etc etc I couldn't give a flying one how we do it, as long as we do. I've seen enough of this ****ty league and if Lennon takes us up then appointment well made.

[cmcd]

To be honest mate I don´t think anyone is calling for him to be sacked just now if you read comments on the thread. I have also yet to see or speak to anyone who wants him to stay on next season. He is average but that´s all he needs to be to get the job done this season.

I think we absolutely must have a new manager next season along with a clearout if we want to survive in the SPL.
You wouldn't want a manager who has won many games in the top league and in the Championship league Dear old bloody dear

[cmcd]

Well he's certainly impersonated a football manager since he arrived - if you like what you are watching since he arrived then great , I'm certainly not happy watching hoofball and tactical ineptitude week after week. All about opinions.

If you're not happy you know what to do

[JimBHibees]

Allow me to be the first.I want him to stay on next season.

Totally agree.

[cmcd]

Totally agree.

Me also .some of the comments on here are over the top .The time to judge Lennon is when we are in the top league

[GreenOnions]

We've had plaudits for the last two years for playing nice football but we're still in this league. First and only priority is get more points than any other team in the Championship this year. So far Neil Lennon is on course to achieve that. I'd like the football to be better but it's a lot less important to me this year than it normally would be.

If Neil takes us up as champions then that's a big tick in the only box that matters this year and I'd be delighted to have him given the opportunity to build from there.

[JimBHibees]

We've had plaudits for the last two years for playing nice football but we're still in this league. First and only priority is get more points than any other team in the Championship this year. So far Neil Lennon is on course to achieve that. I'd like the football to be better but it's a lot less important to me this year than it normally would be.

If Neil takes us up as champions then that's a big tick in the only box that matters this year and I'd be delighted to have him given the opportunity to build from there.

Spot on the only measurement of success this year though knocking Hearts out the cup would be a wee bonus. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Lennon needs to stay. We just need to sign better players in the summer.


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[B.H.F.C]

The defining element for me is winning this ****ty league.


HOWEVER -


the number of points we will win in doing so will be a maximum of 86 - IF we don't drop any more points.

We got 70 last year with the Huns in the league with us and 70 the year before with the Huns and Yams there.

For me winning the league is everything but we should be absolutely romping this league not stuttering along in the manner we are.

As for Lennon - Meh.

There are numerous other managers out there who would manage this team to winning this league, Lennon has shown himself to be nothing special and his real test will come next season, then we will see if he is good, bad or indifferent. Presently IMO he's indifferent.

Our record against Hearts and Rangers wasn't what had us miles behind them though. We needed to improve our record, particularly away from home against the rest. I think we're on course to do that and will better 70 points which would indicate improvement to me, at least in terms of results.

No doubt we will need to sort out the attacking side of the game when we go up though.

[HFCdeb]

Allow me to be the first.I want him to stay on next season.

So do I.

[Captain Trips]

I also want him to stay.

[jacomo]

Lennon needs to stay. We just need to sign better players in the summer.


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:agree:

Lennon needs to sign better players.

[Blaster]

I keep hearing this '70 with rangers' nonsense, we picked up 6 points against rangers, bettering our points total doesn't necessarily guarantee us winning the league, which is the ONLY bar we have this season. We have went from the opinion last season of promotion at all cost, to 'ach well we might top the league but we won't have enough points, style, goals, width, too negative' etc etc I couldn't give a flying one how we do it, as long as we do. I've seen enough of this ****ty league and if Lennon takes us up then appointment well made.

Spot on.

[WhileTheChief..]

Can we look forward to threads like this every times we drop points or is this a one off?

What will happen if Hearts beat us?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Lennon has made it clear he won't tolerate mediocrity either. We have a good chance of winning the league and getting promoted, and I'm happy to endure some pish performances along the way. The ends justify the means at this point; we MUST gain promotion.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Can we look forward to threads like this every times we drop points or is this a one off?

What will happen if Hearts beat us?

Another Lennon out thread :greengrin

[Swedish hibee]

I honestly don't understand how people would think the football under Stubbs was good.

What??????
Sometimes on here, words truly fail me.

[Gordy M]

What??????
Sometimes on here, words truly fail me.

Whilst i dont necessarily agree with what WI posted....i recently had a look at the match thread when alloa beat us last season....doesnt make pleasant reading and plenty critisism of how we played, and referring to games that we were 'soft' and too 'tippy tappy'.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Whilst i dont necessarily agree with what WI posted....i recently had a look at the match thread when alloa beat us last season....doesnt make pleasant reading and plenty critisism of how we played, and referring to games that we were 'soft' and too 'tippy tappy'.

That Alloa defeat was one of the sorest I've experienced as a fan. It was a disgrace and one of the few times I've really gone berserk with a Hibs team.

[Gordy M]

That Alloa defeat was one of the sorest I've experienced as a fan. It was a disgrace and one of the few times I've really gone berserk with a Hibs team.

Yep, was a terrible display. Loads of the ball but never looked like scoring. A few on here were calling for stubbs to be sacked that eve.

[Borderhibbie76]

We are where we are because the competition is significantly weaker - he has improved us defensively but we are scraping by in a p*ss poor league, with a poor goals for stat. We are 7 points clear with 12 games to go but our form is not good.
Can you explain the significantly weaker part pls?? Other than the Huns being replaced by Utd...how else is this division weaker?? 2 seasons ago we had 3 part time teams in this division...now we have 1...and a decent one at that. I'm sick of reading this on .net...it's constantly quoted and just not true

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[Baldy Foghorn]

Agreed a number were calling for AS head, the football was tippy tappy etc.

My own view is that he would have left Club anyway, but did so achieving a maximum high....

[1van Sprou7e]

Hopefully Lennon's seethe gets a reaction out of the players.

I loved Stubbs but there's no way he would react like that after a 1-1 draw which was maybe his main flaw

[Lago]

Lennon needs to stay. We just need to sign better players in the summer.


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Spot on

[Borderhibbie76]

If Stubbs was in charge I have no doubts we would be well clear and have it wrapped up by now.

You all seem to conveniently forget the shambles we were when he took over and it was his FIRST managerial post, he took us to 2 cup finals and the greatest day in living memory for most of us, not bad for a rookie eh ?

Lennon was supposed to be this great manager with experience at Champions league level etc and skoosh us this league, where it might still happen and I believe it will, the style and brand of football that he has us playing right now is brutal and will not be tolerated when we do go up.
We also lost twice at alloa and Dumbarton under stubbs...and finished 3rd in championship....so what makes u so sure we would have the league wrapped up by now if he was still here??

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[blackpoolhibs]

We've been mediocre for that long, i've lost count of the number of managers we've been mediocre under.

The infrastructure is done, Rods 5 year plan has finished, and the backroom staff replaced, when is it time to start showing we can compete where our overall spending should demand?

[MWHIBBIES]

We've been mediocre for that long, i've lost count of the number of managers we've been mediocre under.

The infrastructure is done, Rods 5 year plan has finished, and the backroom staff replaced, when is it time to start showing we can compete where our overall spending should demand?The 2 seasons after promotion probably. We can't do it right now because we're in this league, a league we will get out of this season and then start progression.

We won the national cup last season, I'd say that is a pretty decent achievement isn't it? In 50 years are Hibs fans going to remember us finishing 3rd in x y and z seasons or a Scottish cup win?

[ancient hibee]

Don't get this weaker league argument.Rangers who we took 6points off and saw off in the final replaced by United who we scraped past in the semi with a dollop of luck.

[Heisenberg]

Don't get this weaker league argument.Rangers who we took 6points off and saw off in the final replaced by United who we scraped past in the semi with a dollop of luck.

I agree. I'd say overall this league is harder than the one we horrendously failed in last season.

[Super_JMcGinn]

We also lost twice at alloa and Dumbarton under stubbs...and finished 3rd in championship....so what makes u so sure we would have the league wrapped up by now if he was still here??

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He would have learnt a lot and signed better players imo :wink:

[Sir David Gray]

Don't get this weaker league argument.Rangers who we took 6points off and saw off in the final replaced by United who we scraped past in the semi with a dollop of luck.

This season's Dundee Utd side aren't as good as last season's Sevco side. Falkirk are probably about the same and Morton are miles better than they were 12 months ago.

[jacomo]

We've been mediocre for that long, i've lost count of the number of managers we've been mediocre under.

The infrastructure is done, Rods 5 year plan has finished, and the backroom staff replaced, when is it time to start showing we can compete where our overall spending should demand?


I know there's a way to go in the league, but IMO we're not going to finish above Hertz, Sevco or Aberdeen this season. Raging.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Wow this is some thread.

After reading all 12 pages my opinion that we have a 50/50 shot on Wednesday night has turned into a dark feeling of foreboding. Apparently we have a manager who is at best bang average and the same players bar a few obvious absentees that got us to two cup finals last season and currently have us top of the league are all of a sudden mediocre failures with no heart or skill.

Nobody is pretending that our last few league performances were at a level we want to see ...... but I think the players know that and the manager certainly does.

We will see on Wednesday night who steps up ...... who is going to tell me that Darren McGregor, David Gray, Lewis Stevenson, John McGinn, Marvin Bartley, Grant Holt or Martin Boyle ( if selected ) wont be right at it and drag the other guys like Fyvie and Cummings into the mix with them.

No matter the outcome against the Yams I think it will work as a catalyst for the rest of our season .... win and the players will know Lennon wont tolerate a drop in the standard they will have to have shown to win, lose and the players will know that the only way to remedy the disappointment will be to considerably up their game in the rest of the league season ..... I think there is enough character in this squad of players to do that.

Its not been spectacular since the Dundee Utd game ...... but its not been a disaster either, so lets all try and stay reasonably positive.

[blackpoolhibs]

The 2 seasons after promotion probably. We can't do it right now because we're in this league, a league we will get out of this season and then start progression.

We won the national cup last season, I'd say that is a pretty decent achievement isn't it? In 50 years are Hibs fans going to remember us finishing 3rd in x y and z seasons or a Scottish cup win?


I know there's a way to go in the league, but IMO we're not going to finish above Hertz, Sevco or Aberdeen this season. Raging.

I get it, a wee bit more patience. :wink:

[Phil MaGlass]

The 2 seasons after promotion probably. We can't do it right now because we're in this league, a league we will get out of this season and then start progression.

We won the national cup last season, I'd say that is a pretty decent achievement isn't it? In 50 years are Hibs fans going to remember us finishing 3rd in x y and z seasons or a Scottish cup win?

Not to be too much of an erse, but, we will remember we were in this league for at least 3 seasons and no cup win will make us forget it.

[Winston Ingram]

He would have learnt a lot and signed better players imo :wink:

I dunno where you get that from as he showed absolutely no evidence of learning from his first league season or during his 2nd

Everyone had worked out that playing narrow against our narrow formation gave opponents a great chance of getting something against us. What did he do in his second campaign? Exactly the same again.

His other favourite was conceding late goals from set pieces. We did it right the way through his 1st promotion campaign, right the way through to final seconds of his last. Did he do anything different? No chance and gave us our lowest ever league finish in a about 50 years. That in a weaker league than the season before.

The worst part was how he never learned how to play against Falkirk. From their 1st visit to ER where the beat us 1-0 to the final moments of the play offs, Houston absolutely owned him.

Stubbs was an absolutely phenomenal manager in big games. V Sevco, Hearts and nearly all the cup games against teams from a higher league he was brilliant. Absolutely 1st class. He had us playing with a determination and a zip that you'd rarely see in the smaller games. I remember going to Tynie for the St J semi last year, absolutely certain we'd beat them and we did.

However, in this league, he no idea how to get out of it. Kept doing the same things time after time and when they didn't work, just did the same again.

I would have loved him to have got us up as I think his style would have suited the SPL but one thing is for certain, he hadn't clue how to break down the crap in this league.

[JimBHibees]

Wow this is some thread.

After reading all 12 pages my opinion that we have a 50/50 shot on Wednesday night has turned into a dark feeling of foreboding. Apparently we have a manager who is at best bang average and the same players bar a few obvious absentees that got us to two cup finals last season and currently have us top of the league are all of a sudden mediocre failures with no heart or skill.

Nobody is pretending that our last few league performances were at a level we want to see ...... but I think the players know that and the manager certainly does.

We will see on Wednesday night who steps up ...... who is going to tell me that Darren McGregor, David Gray, Lewis Stevenson, John McGinn, Marvin Bartley, Grant Holt or Martin Boyle ( if selected ) wont be right at it and drag the other guys like Fyvie and Cummings into the mix with them.

No matter the outcome against the Yams I think it will work as a catalyst for the rest of our season .... win and the players will know Lennon wont tolerate a drop in the standard they will have to have shown to win, lose and the players will know that the only way to remedy the disappointment will be to considerably up their game in the rest of the league season ..... I think there is enough character in this squad of players to do that.

Its not been spectacular since the Dundee Utd game ...... but its not been a disaster either, so lets all try and stay reasonably positive.

Yep a lot of hyperbole, we are top of the league and the only team that will stop us winning it is ourselves. Some fans need to get over themselves. Neil is quite clearly not happy with the recent performances however now probably is the time to call out a few of the players if he isnt happy with the attitude. It is how he gets them to respond that is the issue starting tomorrow night. If we lose you do get the impression the reaction on here will be off the scale and some (who arent yam trolls) will take great glee in telling us over and over how right they were. Tomorrow is hugely important financially and for the feel good factor as Hearts absolutely will be firing on all cylinders to put us back in our box. It is a 50/50 game with 2 teams not in great form and the team that wants it more will probably win it. I think it will be Hibs, if it isnt we move on and win the league. This place is like a bi-polar convention sometimes.

[WeeRussell]

Can you explain the significantly weaker part pls?? Other than the Huns being replaced by Utd...how else is this division weaker?? 2 seasons ago we had 3 part time teams in this division...now we have 1...and a decent one at that. I'm sick of reading this on .net...it's constantly quoted and just not true

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Your facts about part-time teams may well be true, but there's no doubt that this is an easier league to win than it has been the previous two seasons.

I'd say this is the worst league we've ever been in, certainly in my lifetime.

[Borderhibbie76]

Your facts about part-time teams may well be true, but there's no doubt that this is an easier league to win than it has been the previous two seasons.

I'd say this is the worst league we've ever been in, certainly in my lifetime.
Dunno if u were around in late 90s when we last got relegated but I would say the old 1st Division was much weaker than this league. I just don't get its that much weaker than last season...but its certainly become a .net fact that's for sure

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[Winston Ingram]

Don't get this weaker league argument.Rangers who we took 6points off and saw off in the final replaced by United who we scraped past in the semi with a dollop of luck.

I don't see what's to get. They had the league wrapped up by March and they have been replaced by a team that's currently 7 points behind us. Whether we beat them is irrelevant. The fact is they were far better at coping with the teams in the league than we were and they have been replaced by a team o where near as good.

The rest of the teams are much of a muchness.

[WeeRussell]

Dunno if u were around in late 90s when we last got relegated but I would say the old 1st Division was much weaker than this league. I just don't get its that much weaker than last season...but its certainly become a .net fact that's for sure

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I was, and the ridiculous quality of our own team alone made the quality of that league better. Maybe there isn't much between what we were up against then compared to the majority of teams we play now... but you're not trying to tell me that this year isn't a far easier job without The Rangers in the league?

[Lago]

Dunno if u were around in late 90s when we last got relegated but I would say the old 1st Division was much weaker than this league. I just don't get its that much weaker than last season...but its certainly become a .net fact that's for sure

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Don't you just love a good urban mith

[Winston Ingram]

I was, and the ridiculous quality of our own team alone made the quality of that league better. Maybe there isn't much between what we were up against then compared to the majority of teams we play now... but you're not trying to tell me that this year isn't a far easier job without The Rangers in the league?

One thing about the old first division was that other than us having a fantastic squad, the teams didn't just turn up and brick up the goal as they do now.

[Borderhibbie76]

One thing about the old first division was that other than us having a fantastic squad, the teams didn't just turn up and brick up the goal as they do now.
That's very true teams made more of a game of it then which conversely probably made it easier for us then

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[Super_JMcGinn]

One thing about the old first division was that other than us having a fantastic squad, the teams didn't just turn up and brick up the goal as they do now.

And that is something you would have thought Lennon had experience at with smeltic yet his tactics, especially that last game at home against Ayr was brutal, and not for the first time this season either. I and many others remain convinced about him but hope to be proved wrong.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Maybe us mere mortals just don't fully understand tactics. We achieved the square root of zero in the league the last two seasons under Stubbs playing football which was sometimes better on the eye. I'll reserve judgement until I see where we finish up.

[silverhibee]

We've been mediocre for that long, i've lost count of the number of managers we've been mediocre under.

The infrastructure is done, Rods 5 year plan has finished, and the backroom staff replaced, when is it time to start showing we can compete where our overall spending should demand?


The winds of change are coming, patience G. :greengrin

[Winston Ingram]

And that is something you would have thought Lennon had experience at with smeltic yet his tactics, especially that last game at home against Ayr was brutal, and not for the first time this season either. I and many others remain convinced about him but hope to be proved wrong.

I'd hoped that he'd add that to as it was something Stubbs never managed to work out.

I think he has been hampered by the lack of width in the squad inherited and he's said that himself publicly but for some reason we've not added anyone else other than Humphrey. I also think we really miss Henderson. Shinnie hasn't come anywhere near the standard required to replace him.

[makaveli1875]

were in a tough league , not tough as in full of quality players . tough as in full of cloggers that park the bus whenever they play us . we are the big scalp and all these other teams raise their game to play us

its hardly lennons fault that we are in a mediocre league , playing against 9/10 man defences every week .

[heretoday]

If this is mediocrity, I'm not sick of it yet.

[WhileTheChief..]

Bump :greengrin

[O'Rourke3]

Bump :greengrin

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[FromTheCapital]

Ridiculous OP proved to be utter dross tonight :aok:


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[WhileTheChief..]

:slipper::stirrer:

:cb

[pacoluna]

This thread was full of ****, should be deleted and never seen again.

[Northernhibee]

Ridiculous OP proved to be utter dross tonight :aok:


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I've already posted in another thread that NL got it right tonight and we were brilliant. Now there's no excuse for not taking the same spirit, drive and endeavour into each league game. That will be the true acid test because what we've been lacking in too many league games this season we showed in absolute abundance tonight. That needs to continue.

But good to see your first thought about skelping Hearts was a bit of one upmanship on an internet message board :aok:

[FromTheCapital]

I've already posted in another thread that NL got it right tonight and we were brilliant. Now there's no excuse for not taking the same spirit, drive and endeavour into each league game. That will be the true acid test because what we've been lacking in too many league games this season we showed in absolute abundance tonight. That needs to continue.

But good to see your first thought about skelping Hearts was a bit of one upmanship on an internet message board :aok:

7 points clear and Scottish Cup QF. Mediocrity!! Pathetic


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[Northernhibee]

7 points clear and Scottish Cup QF. Mediocrity!! Pathetic


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If you're pretending that lacklustre draws against Ayr and Raith where we were far too defensively minded are anything other than mediocre, you're kidding yourself. I'm not kidding myself, we were fantastic tonight and I've given Lennon due credit.

We 100% need to learn lessons to take back into the league from tonight.

As for tonight, it's not often we put three past that lot. How about you go and enjoy the win tonight rather than trying to act the big man and trying to pick arguments on an internet message board.

[Smartie]

I've already posted in another thread that NL got it right tonight and we were brilliant. Now there's no excuse for not taking the same spirit, drive and endeavour into each league game. That will be the true acid test because what we've been lacking in too many league games this season we showed in absolute abundance tonight. That needs to continue.

But good to see your first thought about skelping Hearts was a bit of one upmanship on an internet message board :aok:

I think Neil Lennon would agree with you and will probably be using words to that effect on Saturday.

Hopefully tonight will have seen him win a few doubters over.

If we could all just get behind him we'd have a better chance of ensuring we put this spell playing in a mediocre league behind us.

[Northernhibee]

I think Neil Lennon would agree with you and will probably be using words to that effect on Saturday.

Hopefully tonight will have seen him win a few doubters over.

If we could all just get behind him we'd have a better chance of ensuring we put this spell playing in a mediocre league behind us.

That's the thing, we all want the same thing and that's to see Hibs in the top league and not just that but Hibs at their very best. It's all fine and well (and blooming marvellous) tonight getting everyone fired up for the big games, I don't think anyone doubts the ability of this team to do that. Leagues aren't skooshed in the big games though, it's getting consistent results in the smaller games that count and we need to show the same spirit and determination in those. I'm sure that the buzz from SOL at full time will hopefully spur the team on to recreate that feeling and I do hope we can kick on from here.