Hello from Charlene

[C Feeney-Seale]

Hello. As you might have seen I'm standing for one of the fan rep positions. I know I have never participated in this forum before but I felt it was important to introduce myself and give you all the chance to ask questions. I will be active on here through out the election and obviously would use this forum as one of many ways to gather your thoughts if I was to get elected.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Hello. As you might have seen I'm standing for one of the fan rep positions. I know I have never participated in this forum before but I felt it was important to introduce myself and give you all the chance to ask questions. I will be active on here through out the election and obviously would use this forum as one of many ways to gather your thoughts if I was to get elected.

I'll go first:

What can you bring to the table?

[Since90+2]

My question would be what do you think you the club can / should do to improve atmosphere and in particular the ongoing issue in regards to a signing / standing section?

[Pretty Boy]

How do you see yourself making the role work as a representative of a wide range of people with differing views on many topics? Also what do you feel has been and can be achieved directly as a result of having supporters on the board that wouldn't have been otherwise?

Oh and welcome.

[brog]

Hi Charlene, I believe you're currently London based & I'm hoping to meet up with you tomorrow. Will your current location cause any problems in fulfilling your duties if elected?
Good Luck!

[Brummie_Hibs]

Hi Charlene, I believe you're currently London based & I'm hoping to meet up with you tomorrow. Will your current location cause any problems in fulfilling your duties if elected?
Good Luck!
Yup, should be a good night

[NAE NOOKIE]

Hello Charlene.

I posted on the other thread my opinion of what having a female fans rep could bring to the table, so I'm not going to repeat it here and bore everybody to death .... suffice to say I see it as a positive.

I don't see the position of fans rep on the board as being any different from that of the permanent board members, in so much as the main aim has to be getting more fans through the turnstiles and in order to do that making attending Easter Road as exciting and comfortable an experience as possible.

The biggest thing in that area the club seriously needs to give full attention to is the atmosphere within the stadium ..... Two things encourage fans to want to be part of a football crowd, the first thing is having a good and successful team on the park, but a close second is knowing that when they go to a game they will be part of a noisy and colourful crowd generating a great atmosphere in the stadium, what are your views on having a section of the stadium dedicated to our more 'colourful' fans and especially the idea that this could be situated in the lower FF?

[H18 SFR]

Hi Charlene, all the very best with your efforts to get elected.

Football club management (at a board room level) will be difficult. What would you bring to the boardroom during a time of turmoil or crisis. What leadership skills would you have that would come to the fore?

[C Feeney-Seale]

I'll go first:

What can you bring to the table?

Noticed you tweeting some celebrities for support, not think that is a bit desperate?

In terms of what I bring to the role, I’m passionate about fan communication and have experience in my career and through volunteering in working across large numbers of stakeholders. I have a number of ideas I will commit to deliver which will improve two way communication, from providing minutes after board meetings to sharing my preparation ahead of meetings to allow fans to get a much wider appreciation of the discussions taking place. I'm also keen to reach out across as much of the fan base as I can, from making myself available on social media and in person to getting involved in online discussions like here.

[Baldy Foghorn]

In terms of what I bring to the role, I’m passionate about fan communication and have experience in my career and through volunteering in working across large numbers of stakeholders. I have a number of ideas I will commit to deliver which will improve two way communication, from providing minutes after board meetings to sharing my preparation ahead of meetings to allow fans to get a much wider appreciation of the discussions taking place. I'm also keen to reach out across as much of the fan base as I can, from making myself available on social media and in person to getting involved in online discussions like here.

Thanks Charlene, appreciate response

In terms of publishing the minutes after board meetings, you would be bound by confidentiality to only report soft things

[ozwoody]

Hello. As you might have seen I'm standing for one of the fan rep positions. I know I have never participated in this forum before but I felt it was important to introduce myself and give you all the chance to ask questions. I will be active on here through out the election and obviously would use this forum as one of many ways to gather your thoughts if I was to get elected.

Hi Charlene,
Thanks for posting.I guess the only question I have is what you can do for fans in terms of building on the good work the board have done in engaging the fans over the last couple of years? I have my doubts regarding fans on a board as they are restricted in what they can convey but it would be good to hear your views on what you have seen and encountered over the last couple of years to make you think you can change the status quo

[BSEJVT]

Hello Charlene and welcome

I have met both Amit & Frank and they are both nice people who clearly enjoy their role and have brought a lot of enthusiasm to it.

Their actions in the role have brought great joy and / or comfort to many, particularly in the aftermath of our Scottish Cup win

My problem is I that they do not seem to fulfil the role I thought they were there to fulfil and as an outsider looking in their duties appear to me to be largely ceremonial.

I am looking for a fans rep who will:

1) Regularly canvass opinion / issues from right across the support

2) Update the support on what these issues were and when they were taken to the board

3) Update the support on these issues and what is to happen with them after they have been taken to the board, even if the only reply is "the board didn't want to take this issue forward and preferably why, although I appreciate that confidentiality issues might prevent this.

Right now I have no clue what my fellow fans are thinking about pertinent issues other than what I read here or what the boards thinking is on some of the issues my fellow fans raise.

I have grown to hate as I have got older the same issue being pointlessly revisited ad nauseum and maybe if the support knew what had been discounted and why or what was in the pipeline or wish list it would make for a better engagement with the club.

I have no expectation of being privy to the board's thinking on each and every thing which appear before them.

I recognise that some of the suggestions / issues will be filtered out long before they get near the board, but much as I appreciate Amit & Frank's efforts and believe there is certainly a place for the "ceremonial" duties they perform I don't believe that the first two years of fans reps on the board have been any sort of success.

The old cynic in me has 2 worries about the current crop of candidates (which includes Amit & Frank)

1) That the current heightened profile / engagement is a short lived vote gathering tactic

2) That they will soon be beaten down by the realisation that their role is completely ineffectual

How would you respond to those worries?

Finally a question for you personally if you don't mind.

The old cynic in me again worries that this may be more about building brand Charlene than anything else?

How would you respond to that?

Thanks and good luck

GGTTH

[Bostonhibby]

Hello Charlene and welcome

I have met both Amit & Frank and they are both nice people who clearly enjoy their role and have brought a lot of enthusiasm to it.

Their actions in the role have brought great joy and / or comfort to many, particularly in the aftermath of our Scottish Cup win

My problem is I that they do not seem to fulfil the role I thought they were there to fulfil and as an outsider looking in their duties appear to me to be largely ceremonial.

I am looking for a fans rep who will:

1) Regularly canvass opinion / issues from right across the support

2) Update the support on what these issues were and when they were taken to the board

3) Update the support on these issues and what is to happen with them after they have been taken to the board, even if the only reply is "the board didn't want to take this issue forward and preferably why, although I appreciate that confidentiality issues might prevent this.

Right now I have no clue what my fellow fans are thinking about pertinent issues other than what I read here or what the boards thinking is on some of the issues my fellow fans raise.

I have grown to hate as I have got older the same issue being pointlessly revisited ad nauseum and maybe if the support knew what had been discounted and why or what was in the pipeline or wish list it would make for a better engagement with the club.

I have no expectation of being privy to the board's thinking on each and every thing which appear before them.

I recognise that some of the suggestions / issues will be filtered out long before they get near the board, but much as I appreciate Amit & Frank's efforts and believe there is certainly a place for the "ceremonial" duties they perform I don't believe that the first two years of fans reps on the board have been any sort of success.

The old cynic in me has 2 worries about the current crop of candidates (which includes Amit & Frank)

1) That the current heightened profile / engagement is a short lived vote gathering tactic

2) That they will soon be beaten down by the realisation that their role is completely ineffectual

How would you respond to those worries?

Finally a question for you personally if you don't mind.

The old cynic in me again worries that this may be more about building brand Charlene than anything else?

How would you respond to that?

Thanks and good luck

GGTTH
Same question and points for me really. So thanks BJSEVT.

The lesson I've learnt from the couple of years the roles have existed is how hard it might be to match true directorial accountability and confidentiality with the expectations of supporters.

The roles definitely do appear ceremonial, possibly a deserved recognition of outstanding hibbies and maybe something aspirational to have on a CV? Honestly dunno.

I think as time has passed, the current seat on the board, in terms of effectiveness hasn't worked and now look forward to seeing the HSL block of shares leading to a seat with shareholding behind it even if it is a meaningful percentage holding rather than a majority one.

What is the voting criteria this time around? Am hoping it stays close to the last time.

[C Feeney-Seale]

My question would be what do you think you the club can / should do to improve atmosphere and in particular the ongoing issue in regards to a signing / standing section?

Thanks for your question. My personal view is that In terms of atmosphere from certain games season - i.e. the Hearts replay in the Scottish cup last season I think it is clear the potential the stadium has, but I completely agree I think normally the mood is tense and sometimes too critical I feel. It is probably not a coincidence there have been spells throughout recent years that our record away from home has been better. One thing I’ve found at away games is that it doesn't matter if we go behind, we tend to keep singing and that is exactly what I would be passionate about creating at Easter Road.

While I love the idea of a standing section after experiencing it at Rot Weiss Essen with Hibs in 2005 I am not sure this would be the only solution as having one section making noise is great, but what we need is for all four stands involved.

So what would I do?
· Firstly I think going back to basics is key - there are no Hibs songs played regularly before the games to get us in the mood - why can't we have Hibs Heroes orTurnbull's Tornadoes played in the run up to the game?
· Secondly, is there anywhere fans can see the lyrics to the recent chants so they feel they can join in? It is easy for us, we are all media savvy but what about those people who don't look online.
· Thirdly, can we have a drum, and group of fans who are willing to create noise in each section or even one in every stand - it certainly feels like from being a season ticket holder in the FF we are always reluctant to join in!

However, I don’t think there are any silver bullets out there – maybe safe standing areas could work. If the club is going to look into safe standing areas, then I want it to engage with as many supporters as possible to gets all those views in. As your supporters rep, I’d make sure you knew if such a discussion was on the cards, and make sure everyone had the opportunity to feed into it.

[Since90+2]

Charlene - Many thanks for taking the time to provide a detailed response.

[marinello59]

Hello. As you might have seen I'm standing for one of the fan rep positions. I know I have never participated in this forum before but I felt it was important to introduce myself and give you all the chance to ask questions. I will be active on here through out the election and obviously would use this forum as one of many ways to gather your thoughts if I was to get elected.

Welcome to the forum. Well done on sticking your head over the parapet, it's certainly not the easy option. :greengrin
Good luck with your campaign.

[JohnMcM]

Thanks for your question. My personal view is that In terms of atmosphere from certain games season - i.e. the Hearts replay in the Scottish cup last season I think it is clear the potential the stadium has, but I completely agree I think normally the mood is tense and sometimes too critical I feel. It is probably not a coincidence there have been spells throughout recent years that our record away from home has been better. One thing I’ve found at away games is that it doesn't matter if we go behind, we tend to keep singing and that is exactly what I would be passionate about creating at Easter Road.

While I love the idea of a standing section after experiencing it at Rot Weiss Essen with Hibs in 2005 I am not sure this would be the only solution as having one section making noise is great, but what we need is for all four stands involved.

So what would I do?
· Firstly I think going back to basics is key - there are no Hibs songs played regularly before the games to get us in the mood - why can't we have Hibs Heroes orTurnbull's Tornadoes played in the run up to the game?
· Secondly, is there anywhere fans can see the lyrics to the recent chants so they feel they can join in? It is easy for us, we are all media savvy but what about those people who don't look online.
· Thirdly, can we have a drum, and group of fans who are willing to create noise in each section or even one in every stand - it certainly feels like from being a season ticket holder in the FF we are always reluctant to join in!

However, I don’t think there are any silver bullets out there – maybe safe standing areas could work. If the club is going to look into safe standing areas, then I want it to engage with as many supporters as possible to gets all those views in. As your supporters rep, I’d make sure you knew if such a discussion was on the cards, and make sure everyone had the opportunity to feed into it.

I'm not sure how I missed this reply by you. You have my attention. :flag:

[hibeerealist]

Hello. As you might have seen I'm standing for one of the fan rep positions. I know I have never participated in this forum before but I felt it was important to introduce myself and give you all the chance to ask questions. I will be active on here through out the election and obviously would use this forum as one of many ways to gather your thoughts if I was to get elected.

Hi Charlene,

Please don't be put off by some of the posts in first three pages, there likely will be more t come. However, I can assure you here are many people on this forum who will welcome you as a fellow Hibby and wish o hear what you have to say s a candidate in the upcoming vote.

You will see from my avatar that I may be swayed by one particular candidate, but there are two positions!!!

[DaveF]

Thread now back open after all the guff was removed.

Keep it on track please - IE, discussion with the OP on her bid for the board position.

[MSK]

Charlene, welcome to hibs.net 👍


I share your views on atmosphere & like you sit in the FF stand (lower) what are your views on a standing section in the lower FF with drummers/singers etc ?

I love my seat, as does my Wife, Neice & Nephews & have no intention of moving. How do you see an improvement without disruption/upheaval ?

This to Tracey Smith & others..

HH

[NAE NOOKIE]

Its interesting that of the 9 candidates the only two who have come on here to introduce themselves are the two female candidates .... I know Amit has been on, but he needs no introduction and it is notable that he has probably doubled his post count from the last two years in the last 10 hours.
IMO its vital that anybody applying for these posts is social media savvy, it is after all mainly concerned with supporter interaction and communication and like it or not these days that means the internet ..... having a chat with a few fans at the HSA pre match or accepting invitations to watch St Pats latest presentation ( no insult intended to St Pats ) isn't really cutting it for me.

I don't think the current reps, possibly through no fault of their own, have been anything like proactive enough in forming the link between the club and fans they were supposed to make happen ....... I see from both their presentations that they have a lot of duties ranging from monitoring youth team activities to attending funerals. That all very laudable but is not what I understood their purpose was going to be, I thought the whole idea of 'fans reps' was to present, represent and champion the thoughts, ideas and concerns of the ordinary supporter at boardroom level and vitally to 'communicate' back to the fans the boards response to these thoughts, ideas and concerns.

I mentioned to Amit a few posts back about the state of the artificial turf in front of the east stand ( I used it because it is a minor gripe in the grand scheme of things, but one that a few fans had commented on ) my point being that even though it had been discussed on here nobody at the club seemed concerned about it.
Amit's response was that maintenance work on the stadium was carried out during the close season which is why nothing had been done, but that response goes directly to my point about what role fans reps are in my opinion supposed to be playing ...... That's the sort of response I would expect from the stadium manager or the groundsman ...... I don't want the person representing me at board level to be telling me that, I want them to be asking why something like that has to be left until the close season to be done and give me the response to that question.

If the fans reps are going to be what we ( the fans ) want them to be then without doubt a monthly question and answer session on here would be a beginning and IMO long overdue ....... That way in real time we could find out exactly what the club are doing over a range of different subjects.
For example I asked Amit what the intentions were for the FF stand and the behind the goals bar in light of the well publicised tie up with NHS Lothian and other bodies .... 'discussions are ongoing' was the answer I got ... but that doesn't answer the question, ongoing discussions or not Hibs must surely have an idea of how ANY outcome to these discussion will affect the FF stand. If for example a grateful NHS snap up every inch of space in the stand will behind the goals still be available on matchdays? Will behind the goals be relocated to elsewhere in the stadium? Or will it be done away with altogether?

Hibs must know the answers to these questions and I don't think it would be giving away any vital secrets to at least give an idea of what their intentions are ....... unless of course its 'watch this space for an exciting new development which we cant talk about just now'

At the moment it seems the fans reps are being used to undertake duties more suited to ordinary board members and that IMO is not their purpose .... their purpose is to represent us at board meetings and get us answers to our questions.

[tartanhibee]

Hi Charlene,

How would you balance working life, family life with this role as it appears to be quite demanding for not a lot of thanks?

Also if I may what would you say to people who aren't going to vote as they feel no-one represents them or that it's a waste of time? I'm not sure on the percentage that voted last time.

[Mikey]

I’m passionate about fan communication

That works for me. You've got my vote so far and it's up to the others to prise it away!

[C Feeney-Seale]

Hi Charlene, I believe you're currently London based & I'm hoping to meet up with you tomorrow. Will your current location cause any problems in fulfilling your duties if elected?
Good Luck!

Hi Brog,
Yeah, I currently live in London, but I travel regularly back to Scotland to visit family and get to Hibs games, home and away. I also work from Edinburgh fairly regularly, at least once per month. I can commit that I’ll be able to attend all the board meetings, and I’ll be at the games to speak with other supporters.
Look forward to meeting you at the Burns night tomorrow.
Cheers,
Charlene

[C Feeney-Seale]

How do you see yourself making the role work as a representative of a wide range of people with differing views on many topics? Also what do you feel has been and can be achieved directly as a result of having supporters on the board that wouldn't have been otherwise?

Oh and welcome.

Hi Pretty Boy,
Well, I think the first stage is making sure I effectively gather as many of these views as possible. I think this means not just relying on fans coming to me, but actively seeking out views on social media, at the games/ other club events and online.
The next step is to ensure all these views are considered, and feedback to fans is given before and after the meeting. I want fans to be able to see what is taken in, and what comes out of the board discussion.
In terms of what the supporters’ rep can provide which a traditional board member can’t, I think there are two aspects. Firstly, it widens the scope of those who get into the board room, which can help to bring different views. More importantly though, it creates two board members who are totally focussed on gathering and sharing fans views – something which would only be a perhaps small part of a traditional boards priorities.
Cheers,
Charlene

[Pretty Boy]

How do you see yourself making the role work as a representative of a wide range of people with differing views on many topics? Also what do you feel has been and can be achieved directly as a result of having supporters on the board that wouldn't have been otherwise?

Oh and welcome. [Pretty Boy]

Hi Pretty Boy,
Well, I think the first stage is making sure I effectively gather as many of these views as possible. I think this means not just relying on fans coming to me, but actively seeking out views on social media, at the games/ other club events and online.
The next step is to ensure all these views are considered, and feedback to fans is given before and after the meeting. I want fans to be able to see what is taken in, and what comes out of the board discussion.
In terms of what the supporters’ rep can provide which a traditional board member can’t, I think there are two aspects. Firstly, it widens the scope of those who get into the board room, which can help to bring different views. More importantly though, it creates two board members who are totally focussed on gathering and sharing fans views – something which would only be a perhaps small part of a traditional boards priorities.
Cheers,
Charlene

Thanks for the detailed answer and for raising your head above the parapet.

[DaveF]

Hi Pretty Boy,
Well, I think the first stage is making sure I effectively gather as many of these views as possible. I think this means not just relying on fans coming to me, but actively seeking out views on social media, at the games/ other club events and online.
The next step is to ensure all these views are considered, and feedback to fans is given before and after the meeting. I want fans to be able to see what is taken in, and what comes out of the board discussion.
In terms of what the supporters’ rep can provide which a traditional board member can’t, I think there are two aspects. Firstly, it widens the scope of those who get into the board room, which can help to bring different views. More importantly though, it creates two board members who are totally focused on gathering and sharing fans views – something which would only be a perhaps small part of a traditional boards priorities.
Cheers,
Charlene

That's an interesting point, as there was a lot of heat (rightly or wrongly) directed towards Frank and Amit over the treatment of Hibs fans at Ibrox and silence which followed it. How would you be sure that you could do better should such an issue occur again?

[jacomo]

Hi Brog,
Yeah, I currently live in London, but I travel regularly back to Scotland to visit family and get to Hibs games, home and away. I also work from Edinburgh fairly regularly, at least once per month. I can commit that I’ll be able to attend all the board meetings, and I’ll be at the games to speak with other supporters.
Look forward to meeting you at the Burns night tomorrow.
Cheers,
Charlene


I think that will be a challenge. Don't doubt your enthusiasm, but it will be much harder to be the fans rep if you are not based nearer the club.

However, I've just read your statement and it seems you are keen to bring some organise fan surveys etc in a more structured way. That could work.

[marinello59]

Hi Pretty Boy,
Well, I think the first stage is making sure I effectively gather as many of these views as possible. I think this means not just relying on fans coming to me, but actively seeking out views on social media, at the games/ other club events and online.
The next step is to ensure all these views are considered, and feedback to fans is given before and after the meeting. I want fans to be able to see what is taken in, and what comes out of the board discussion.
In terms of what the supporters’ rep can provide which a traditional board member can’t, I think there are two aspects. Firstly, it widens the scope of those who get into the board room, which can help to bring different views. More importantly though, it creates two board members who are totally focussed on gathering and sharing fans views – something which would only be a perhaps small part of a traditional boards priorities.
Cheers,
Charlene

I wasn't going to vote at all as I couldn't see how a fans rep didn't just become another director. That may just have changed.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Wtf. Poor lass won't come back.

Folks that have worked for PwC are made of sterner stuff.

In that regard Charlene how would you see yourself building relationships within the board with folks that might see you From management consultancy background as bit of a threat?

How would you as an out of towner manage to balance commitments?

Are you familiar with the work of lets work together and working together, perhaps you may have attended ?

What are your insights as to the initiatives successes and real challenges that they just for some reason don't seem to be able to get past?
How do you think you could address that?

tracking comments and themes that get blocked / stalled / punted into the long grass - won't working together have that anyway? Is it better to focus on understanding the profile of our support base and tackling the reoccurring issu of a patchy supporters database or would you bake that in too?

And finally - were you on the pitch ;) ?

Good luck and well done for putting yourself forward and adding a different dimension.

apologies for the bad typing / capitalisation probs - the iPad is an editing nightmare tonight.

[Itsnoteasy]

Its interesting that of the 9 candidates the only two who have come on here to introduce themselves are the two female candidates .... I know Amit has been on, but he needs no introduction and it is notable that he has probably doubled his post count from the last two years in the last 10 hours.
IMO its vital that anybody applying for these posts is social media savvy, it is after all mainly concerned with supporter interaction and communication and like it or not these days that means the internet ..... having a chat with a few fans at the HSA pre match or accepting invitations to watch St Pats latest presentation ( no insult intended to St Pats ) isn't really cutting it for me.

I don't think the current reps, possibly through no fault of their own, have been anything like proactive enough in forming the link between the club and fans they were supposed to make happen ....... I see from both their presentations that they have a lot of duties ranging from monitoring youth team activities to attending funerals. That all very laudable but is not what I understood their purpose was going to be, I thought the whole idea of 'fans reps' was to present, represent and champion the thoughts, ideas and concerns of the ordinary supporter at boardroom level and vitally to 'communicate' back to the fans the boards response to these thoughts, ideas and concerns.

I mentioned to Amit a few posts back about the state of the artificial turf in front of the east stand ( I used it because it is a minor gripe in the grand scheme of things, but one that a few fans had commented on ) my point being that even though it had been discussed on here nobody at the club seemed concerned about it.
Amit's response was that maintenance work on the stadium was carried out during the close season which is why nothing had been done, but that response goes directly to my point about what role fans reps are in my opinion supposed to be playing ...... That's the sort of response I would expect from the stadium manager or the groundsman ...... I don't want the person representing me at board level to be telling me that, I want them to be asking why something like that has to be left until the close season to be done and give me the response to that question.

If the fans reps are going to be what we ( the fans ) want them to be then without doubt a monthly question and answer session on here would be a beginning and IMO long overdue ....... That way in real time we could find out exactly what the club are doing over a range of different subjects.
For example I asked Amit what the intentions were for the FF stand and the behind the goals bar in light of the well publicised tie up with NHS Lothian and other bodies .... 'discussions are ongoing' was the answer I got ... but that doesn't answer the question, ongoing discussions or not Hibs must surely have an idea of how ANY outcome to these discussion will affect the FF stand. If for example a grateful NHS snap up every inch of space in the stand will behind the goals still be available on matchdays? Will behind the goals be relocated to elsewhere in the stadium? Or will it be done away with altogether?

Hibs must know the answers to these questions and I don't think it would be giving away any vital secrets to at least give an idea of what their intentions are ....... unless of course its 'watch this space for an exciting new development which we cant talk about just now'

At the moment it seems the fans reps are being used to undertake duties more suited to ordinary board members and that IMO is not their purpose .... their purpose is to represent us at board meetings and get us answers to our questions.

I spoke about Amit on another thread for the same issue you mentioned and got slated for it.

[Radium]

Charlene

The experience of the last two years is of a board that have quietly got on with things with only occasional moments where issues have been met head on in public (SA transfer, criticism by local councillor, Skatchels allegations)

How do you see this changing? If nothing changes how would you deal with it?


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[guthrie01]

Hi Charlene


Since there are 2 positions open for fan reps, which other nominee which you like to work alongside and think would bring the most out of the position along with yourself.

[C Feeney-Seale]

Hi Charlene, all the very best with your efforts to get elected.

Football club management (at a board room level) will be difficult. What would you bring to the boardroom during a time of turmoil or crisis. What leadership skills would you have that would come to the fore?

Hi Chlub Hibernian,

I’m used to dealing with conflicting priorities – it’s what I do every day in my job. Project management is all about keeping track of all these conflicts, and trying to find the best way forward. I’m sure that in the coming two years there will be a large number of controversial and difficult subjects, where the support will have a wide variety of views, and making sense of these and bringing a view to the board which reflects all these is something I can offer.

Cheers,

Charlene


Hi Charlene,
Thanks for posting.I guess the only question I have is what you can do for fans in terms of building on the good work the board have done in engaging the fans over the last couple of years? I have my doubts regarding fans on a board as they are restricted in what they can convey but it would be good to hear your views on what you have seen and encountered over the last couple of years to make you think you can change the status quo

Hi ozwoofy,

Thanks for the question. I agree with what you’re saying to an extent – there is definitely a limit on what any one person can bring to the board room – whether appointed or elected. However, what the fan representatives can bring is a focus on involving the fans in the decisions made at the board – getting their views into the board room, and ensuring there is some accountability through reporting back. The club will have to make difficult decisions, and some will of course divide the support, but through having dedicated supporters reps on the board we can ensure that when these difficult decisions are made, supporters can be confident that as many views have been considered as possible, and as many drawbacks anticipated.

Cheers,

Charlene


Hello Charlene and welcome

I have met both Amit & Frank and they are both nice people who clearly enjoy their role and have brought a lot of enthusiasm to it.

Their actions in the role have brought great joy and / or comfort to many, particularly in the aftermath of our Scottish Cup win

My problem is I that they do not seem to fulfil the role I thought they were there to fulfil and as an outsider looking in their duties appear to me to be largely ceremonial.

I am looking for a fans rep who will:

1) Regularly canvass opinion / issues from right across the support

2) Update the support on what these issues were and when they were taken to the board

3) Update the support on these issues and what is to happen with them after they have been taken to the board, even if the only reply is "the board didn't want to take this issue forward and preferably why, although I appreciate that confidentiality issues might prevent this.

Right now I have no clue what my fellow fans are thinking about pertinent issues other than what I read here or what the boards thinking is on some of the issues my fellow fans raise.

I have grown to hate as I have got older the same issue being pointlessly revisited ad nauseum and maybe if the support knew what had been discounted and why or what was in the pipeline or wish list it would make for a better engagement with the club.

I have no expectation of being privy to the board's thinking on each and every thing which appear before them.

I recognise that some of the suggestions / issues will be filtered out long before they get near the board, but much as I appreciate Amit & Frank's efforts and believe there is certainly a place for the "ceremonial" duties they perform I don't believe that the first two years of fans reps on the board have been any sort of success.

The old cynic in me has 2 worries about the current crop of candidates (which includes Amit & Frank)

1) That the current heightened profile / engagement is a short lived vote gathering tactic

2) That they will soon be beaten down by the realisation that their role is completely ineffectual

How would you respond to those worries?

Finally a question for you personally if you don't mind.

The old cynic in me again worries that this may be more about building brand Charlene than anything else?

How would you respond to that?

Thanks and good luck

GGTTH

Thanks for the questions, here are my thoughts in return.

I totally agree with the three key aspects of the role you highlight. I propose to look across the support as widely as I can to draw opinions from as many channels and groups; online, social media, behind the goals, at home and away games and online forums like this. I want to introduce a most systematic approach to this, so supports can expect to see me very clearly give an update before each board meeting with my summary of the discussions I’ve had and the issues that have been raised, and shortly after the board meetings here how these were discussed, and what if anything has come from that. I’ll share minutes and a video debrief, and answer any questions as best I can.

Of course, there will be limits – if everything discussed at board could be made public we’d just stream the whole thing online. But having the fan reps can ensure that we share as much with supporters as possible.

As I’ve said in an earlier reply, I think we need to be realistic about what any one person can accomplish on the board. I’m not going to making sweeping statements about delivering revolutionary change – but I can promise that I’ll constantly be a voice pushing for supporters to be considered, consulted and involved.

As to the personal question – I’m sure some people will suspect that. There isn’t really anything I can say now which would dispel those doubts – I guess the supporters will just have to judge at the end of the tenure whether the representatives selected have put the role first – but let me say I’m under no allusions as to what the role means. I’m not interested in some kind of ceremonial position, I’m interested in trying to open up the board discussions to the huge number of ideas that our support can come up with, and doing my best to make sure that all these decisions are taken with the fans firmly in mind.

Cheers,

Charlene


I hate all that stakeholder guff... wtf is a stakeholder? And passionate about communication? Join Sect 42 then. Why do office folk talk in a different language? My ex wife spoke like that, all pie charts and conferences and inclusion and weird terms to describe simple matters, so boring, and all her horsey pals spoke the same way, nae chance is this double barrelled Cockney getting my vote.

Hi freddy,

Well, obviously I’m sorry that you feel like that. I think whoever we choose as the fan representative must be a strong communicator though – it may sound like office jargon but we want someone in the position who will effectively gather the fans views, put them forward and make sure that the board consider them fully, and then report back to the fans.

They need to be able to work with the very different views supporters will have on a whole range of issues, and they need to understand that the boards priorities will not always line up with these. In my view, these are the skills which will make the representative a success.

Cheers,

Charlene

[MSK]

Charlene, any chance you could answer my question...or have you found the ignore button already 😆

[Jonnyboy]

Hi Charlene and welcome to Hibs.net :greengrin

I think it is fair to say that one of the biggest bugbears has been that the current reps don't communicate often enough with the fan base. To their credit, Amit and Frank do try to do that by various means but they are only two and the support is in the thousands. If you were to be elected, what methods would you use to communicate with as many fans as possible? This site, the Bounce and the various Facebook pages will reach many but I wonder if there is a possibilty that the club could, using it's own database, provide a regular email update on what the fans reps have raised and what action, if any, has or will be taken? I feel sure there will be a significant number on that database who do not frequent any or all of the aforementioned social media outlets.

I wish you well and thank you for taking the time to come on here to outline your thoughts and to respond to the various questions

[lord bunberry]

I think the current board are already doing a good job, all I want from a fans rep is for them to come on here and address the concerns of the fans. There's been so many issues over the last 2 years that could've been addressed on here by the current fans reps, but haven't. If the new reps can bring something else to the table then great, but it's not the most important thing for me.

[sleeping giant]

Hello candidates ,

When and why did you decide that you were interested in the post at Hibs?

What kind of influence , if any, do you think you will have.

Cheers

[C Feeney-Seale]

Charlene, any chance you could answer my question...or have you found the ignore button already 😆

Hi Happyhibbie,

Sorry, definitely not ignoring you! Thanks for the question.

I think this is a great example of why we need the fans reps – to ensure that we take on board all views. I sit in the famous five upper stand, and have had my season ticket there for years now with my grandparents and parents – if we had to move for any reason I’d definitely find that difficult.

If we are going to consider converting part of a stand into a standing section, we need to make sure fans are given the option to give their views – both for and against. Even with perfect information, some people won’t be happy, but we can at least try and minimise this.
This may sound like a cop out – but it’s the change in relationship I want to achieve with my candidacy for the supporters’ rep on the board. I don’t have a list of specific things that annoy me, that I’d like to change on day one – that’s not what this position is about in my view. If it were, all we would achieve by the election would be to replace one person’s priorities with another person’s.

Cheers,

Charlene

[MSK]

Hi Happyhibbie,

Sorry, definitely not ignoring you! Thanks for the question.

I think this is a great example of why we need the fans reps – to ensure that we take on board all views. I sit in the famous five upper stand, and have had my season ticket there for years now with my grandparents and parents – if we had to move for any reason I’d definitely find that difficult.

If we are going to consider converting part of a stand into a standing section, we need to make sure fans are given the option to give their views – both for and against. Even with perfect information, some people won’t be happy, but we can at least try and minimise this.
This may sound like a cop out – but it’s the change in relationship I want to achieve with my candidacy for the supporters’ rep on the board. I don’t have a list of specific things that annoy me, that I’d like to change on day one – that’s not what this position is about in my view. If it were, all we would achieve by the election would be to replace one person’s priorities with another person’s.

Cheers,

CharleneWas only joking about ignoring me 😄👍
Thanks for taking time to answer.

Tracey/Amit & others, thoughts on that question ?

[Bostonhibby]

Hi Pretty Boy,
Well, I think the first stage is making sure I effectively gather as many of these views as possible. I think this means not just relying on fans coming to me, but actively seeking out views on social media, at the games/ other club events and online.
The next step is to ensure all these views are considered, and feedback to fans is given before and after the meeting. I want fans to be able to see what is taken in, and what comes out of the board discussion.
In terms of what the supporters’ rep can provide which a traditional board member can’t, I think there are two aspects. Firstly, it widens the scope of those who get into the board room, which can help to bring different views. More importantly though, it creates two board members who are totally focussed on gathering and sharing fans views – something which would only be a perhaps small part of a traditional boards priorities.
Cheers,
Charlene
A lot of stuff I agree with here, serious well said from me[emoji106] one question that I think is important as I reflect on the previous two years.

Would you feel better placed to communicate both ways between fans and board on the issues you highlight if you were an elected fans representative but without a seat on the board?

Same question to any other candidates looking in

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Am I correct that you have only just joined the forum Charlene, would you have done so if not seeking votes in this election?

[MSK]

Am I correct that you have only just joined the forum Charlene, would you have done so if not seeking votes in this election?She has joined a public forum to make folk aware she is seeking to be elected, thus far she has engaged with supporters & has answered questions. If she wasnt standing for election & never registered on here would it bother you ?

[lord bunberry]

She has joined a public forum to make folk aware she is seeking to be elected, thus far she has engaged with supporters & has answered questions. If she wasnt standing for election & never registered on here would it bother you ?
I agree. What she did before isn't important it's what happens from now that matters. I still have my doubts about the relevance of the role, but I'm open to the idea that it could work.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

She has joined a public forum to make folk aware she is seeking to be elected, thus far she has engaged with supporters & has answered questions. If she wasnt standing for election & never registered on here would it bother you ?

Who says it ''bothers'' me?
Questions were invited, I asked one.

Maybe you've forgotten what the position she is standing for is?
It's a representative position, anyone standing for an elected position is likely to reach out to engage with the electorate and thats fair enough, it's perfectly legitimate to ask why someone seeking to represent is not already here.
Of course it's not a necessity to be involved in such forums, but it's what a lot of people are asking for.

[MSK]

I agree. What she did before isn't important it's what happens from now that matters. I still have my doubts about the relevance of the role, but I'm open to the idea that it could work.Yip, other than Pat Stanton I dont know any of the others, I have read their statements on the hibernian site but other than that, nowt else. Hibs.net is my church, its where I do my spraffing, reading & at times, preaching. If Charlene, Tracy, Amit & others jump on here & get mucked in then it adds weight & influence to my voting decision, good on them, those who prefer to use other platforms to get their voices heard are maybe missing a trick.

[Itsnoteasy]

Yip, other than Pat Stanton I dont know any of the others, I have read their statements on the hibernian site but other than that, nowt else. Hibs.net is my church, its where I do my spraffing, reading & at times, preaching. If Charlene, Tracy, Amit & others jump on here & get mucked in then it adds weight & influence to my voting decision, good on them, those who prefer to use other platforms to get their voices heard are maybe missing a trick.


Amit has had 2 years to post on here and his input has been sparse. Frank is old school and probably doesn't do social media.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

To win votes?
Reaching out to the electorate is natural, it's legitimate to question why the candidate is not already connected with that part of the electorate though, particularly given the representative nature of the post.

[lord bunberry]

Yip, other than Pat Stanton I dont know any of the others, I have read their statements on the hibernian site but other than that, nowt else. Hibs.net is my church, its where I do my spraffing, reading & at times, preaching. If Charlene, Tracy, Amit & others jump on here & get mucked in then it adds weight & influence to my voting decision, good on them, those who prefer to use other platforms to get their voices heard are maybe missing a trick.
We will all have our reasons to vote. I wasn't going to bother voting as I felt the current incumbents hadn't really delivered what I was hoping, but I'm prepared to give it another go in the hope that the next reps will meet my very basic hope that they will come onto this forum and answer questions that are concerning the fans.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Amit has had 2 years to post on here and his input has been sparse. Frank is old school and probably doesn't do social media.

Frank's profile is probably high enough that he doesn't need to, and I'd be shocked if he wasn't re-elected, and he deserves to be IMO.

[MSK]

Who says it ''bothers'' me?
Questions were invited, I asked one.

Maybe you've forgotten what the position she is standing for is?
It's a representative position, anyone standing for an elected position is likely to reach out to engage with the electorate and thats fair enough, it's perfectly legitimate to ask why someone seeking to represent is not already here.
Of course it's not a necessity to be involved in such forums, but it's what a lot of people are asking for.I know exactly the position she is applying for. Look at her competition, she is up against it from the off, Stanton, Pat knows he doesnt have to use the forums, he will have a huge backing without the need to post or register for a forum. Amit & Frank have been there, they will have their supporters too. Tracey will have support from fans news & has touched base with .net to get her voice heard. As far as I know Charlene doesnt use any media/forum outlet so is dipping her toes into the hot bed that is hibs.net, in my opinion & apologies if I am wrong but to me that is a sign of her intent, she is up against a few good candidates & this place is as good as any to get her voice heard 👍

[lord bunberry]

I know exactly the position she is applying for. Look at her competition, she is up against it from the off, Stanton, Pat knows he doesnt have to use the forums, he will have a huge backing without the need to post or register for a forum. Amit & Frank have been there, they will have their supporters too. Tracey will have support from fans news & has touched base with .net to get her voice heard. As far as I know Charlene doesnt use any media/forum outlet so is dipping her toes into the hot bed that is hibs.net, in my opinion & apologies if I am wrong but to me that is a sign of her intent, she is up against a few good candidates & this place is as good as any to get her voice heard 👍
My problem with Pat Stanton is how is he going to represent the fans? Obviously he is a fan and a legend, but that doesn't qualify him for this role.

[Forza Fred]

Amit has had 2 years to post on here and his input has been sparse. Frank is old school and probably doesn't do social media.

I think you will find that Frank READS every post concerning him, but doesn't necessarily post much.

[lord bunberry]

I think you will find that Frank READS every post concerning him, but doesn't necessarily post much.
Is there a reason he doesn't post much? Like most hibs fans I've met frank and seen him in and around the club since I've been a fan. If I could think of anyone who would be the ideal fans rep it would be him, but times have changed and if he can't engage with fans online then I'm not sure he's the man for the job. I've read lots of your posts and I get the impression that you and frank are around the same age. If you can engage with people on here, why can't he?

[MSK]

My problem with Pat Stanton is how is he going to represent the fans? Obviously he is a fan and a legend, but that doesn't qualify him for this role.I honestly dont know mate, but its fair to say, in my opinion he has a head start on the less familiar candidates just based on who he is. You never know though, folk might go for the media savvy ones instead, but I think whatever the outcome it will be Stanton & AN Other.

[lord bunberry]

I honestly dont know mate, but its fair to say, in my opinion he has a head start on the less familiar candidates just based on who he is. You never know though, folk might go for the media savvy ones instead, but I think whatever the outcome it will be Stanton & AN Other.
I'm in no doubt he'll be one of the reps. Whether he'll be a good one remains to be seen.

[BSEJVT]

[QUOTE=C Feeney-Seale;4921300]
Thanks for the questions, here are my thoughts in return.

I totally agree with the three key aspects of the role you highlight. I propose to look across the support as widely as I can to draw opinions from as many channels and groups; online, social media, behind the goals, at home and away games and online forums like this. I want to introduce a most systematic approach to this, so supports can expect to see me very clearly give an update before each board meeting with my summary of the discussions I’ve had and the issues that have been raised, and shortly after the board meetings here how these were discussed, and what if anything has come from that. I’ll share minutes and a video debrief, and answer any questions as best I can.

Of course, there will be limits – if everything discussed at board could be made public we’d just stream the whole thing online. But having the fan reps can ensure that we share as much with supporters as possible.

As I’ve said in an earlier reply, I think we need to be realistic about what any one person can accomplish on the board. I’m not going to making sweeping statements about delivering revolutionary change – but I can promise that I’ll constantly be a voice pushing for supporters to be considered, consulted and involved.

As to the personal question – I’m sure some people will suspect that. There isn’t really anything I can say now which would dispel those doubts – I guess the supporters will just have to judge at the end of the tenure whether the representatives selected have put the role first – but let me say I’m under no allusions as to what the role means. I’m not interested in some kind of ceremonial position, I’m interested in trying to open up the board discussions to the huge number of ideas that our support can come up with, and doing my best to make sure that all these decisions are taken with the fans firmly in mind.

Cheers,

Charlene

/QUOTE]

Thanks for your reply Charlene

Best of luck with getting elected

[andyf5]

Frank's profile is probably high enough that he doesn't need to, and I'd be shocked if he wasn't re-elected, and he deserves to be IMO.
I think this is a problem. Not voting for Frank makes me feel like I don't appreciate what he's done but I think we need something extra and something different. Charlene offers that. I like her thoughts on speaking to/representing all elements of the support.

Perhaps we should have 3 fans reps?

[Moody Blues]

I think this is a problem. Not voting for Frank makes me feel like I don't appreciate what he's done but I think we need something extra and something different. Charlene offers that. I like her thoughts on speaking to/representing all elements of the support.

Perhaps we should have 3 fans reps?
I just want a fans rep who will get a grip of the blaring music that they play before the start of the first and second halves that kills the atmosphere.

[MartinfaePorty]

Having just returned to this thread after yesterday afternoon and notice my previous posts were removed as being 'guff', I will try to frame what I was trying to articulate in a direct question to the candidate (I assume this was what the issue was). Namely: what criteria would you use to prioritise issues to raise with the board? By this I mean, for example, would you go by number of comments on a message board, likes on social media for an issue, face to face feedback or a combination of all 3. I personally believe that those who are unhappy with something or more likely to make their thoughts known, whilst those happy or not concerned will stay quiet. How will you ensure all opinions are heard?

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[DaveF]

Having just returned to this thread after yesterday afternoon and notice my previous posts were removed as being 'guff'

Martin, I had to remove a monumental amount of nonsense of this thread so the OP could get a chance to discuss matters. If I hoovered yours up, then if was accidental and a result of the carnage caused by petty bickering throughout the thread.

[MartinfaePorty]

PS Having read back your previous replies, I concur with your comments re shifting priorities. At the time the new East Stand was being built I suggested having a standing section and received little support. Also, a number of years ago, I made a suggestion that the concourse areas could do with being brightened up with murals etc and, once again, this was not popular. These 2 issues now appear to be gathering support, so I believe an open mind to all ideas is one of the most important traits for a fan rep on the board.

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[MartinfaePorty]

Martin, I had to remove a monumental amount of nonsense of this thread so the OP could get a chance to discuss matters. If I hoovered yours up, then if was accidental and a result of the carnage caused by petty bickering throughout the thread.
No worries. I think some of my comments were probably more appropriate for the general board on the candidates so have tried to be more specific to directing a question to Charlene this time. Cheers!

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[andyf5]

Charlene

Thanks for posting here

If you were unsuccessful in the election, which statistically is likely for every candidate, what steps will you pledge to take to put in place any of the improvements you suggest?

[traceyhibs]

Hello candidates ,

When and why did you decide that you were interested in the post at Hibs?

What kind of influence , if any, do you think you will have.

Cheers

Hi there,

A couple of friends nominated me for the post and I then went along to the meeting to get some more information. I took time to think about the commitment needed in the post and if I thought I would do a good enough job on behalf of the fans. Spoke with my husband and my football dad and really gave it all great consideration as you can't go into this half heartedly. I will give this 110% because I'm passionate about it.

I have a good relationship with a few people at the club due to the Working Together Meetings and through my business package I had last season which is good, as I think if there are good relationships there already it helps to have discussions. With Fans News we also built up some great relationships in order to get tours of the training centre and interviews with players. First and foremost I'm a supporter and I like everyone else have my own opinions on matters. My views at times or my representation of views/feedback may differ with those at the club but I will always act on the Supporters behalf. I will treat this like anything I would with my business to get the best outcome. I've sacked clients in my business if the fit isn't right so I'm no pushover and will always ensure everything is listened to. I will be noting everything down that I speak to the club that isn't confidential and track it. I think adding those who have asked the questions to the system I will use will be beneficial as well. It then gives you a clear picture of when I've had discussions and if it's been followed up. For those who aren't online I would find another of way of feeding this back such as phone or face to face. These are all ideas at the moment but will to take on board any suggestions any supporter may have. At the end of the day we all love this club.


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[Leith Mo]

First of all thanks to all the candidates for being brave and committed enough to stand - I do know it's not an easy decision to make nor to follow up on. After and during the last election I suggested that all 17 candidates (far too many IMO) should get together successful or not and share the ideas they wanted to bring to the role. It never happened. Do you think it should? Which other candidate do you think you would work with most effectively and why? (I've sort of explained my personal view on another post ie for me it's Amit and Charlene or Tracy but good luck to all candidates).

[traceyhibs]

Charlene, welcome to hibs.net [emoji106]


I share your views on atmosphere & like you sit in the FF stand (lower) what are your views on a standing section in the lower FF with drummers/singers etc ?

I love my seat, as does my Wife, Neice & Nephews & have no intention of moving. How do you see an improvement without disruption/upheaval ?

This to Tracey Smith & others..

HH

Hi,

I've struggled with this one too. I love my seat in the FF lower also with my 2 girls. I really wouldn't want to move either if I'm honest. I do get though why the drummers/singing section would like the move to the FF lower behind the goals. It would take a lot of time to organise as well. So much planning would need to go into it as well pricing structures as it is obviously that little bit cheaper for families in the FF Lower. Atmosphere is something that we are currently looking at as one of the Working Together Groups which I'm part of with Amit leading this group. The matchday experience has to be appealing to everyone.

A standing section is something that wouldn't be looked at at the moment by the club. The cost involved is heavy and for me we don't need that right now as promotion is what should be in the clubs mind and spending any money to get us up. Just my thoughts though.


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[sleeping giant]

Hi there,

A couple of friends nominated me for the post and I then went along to the meeting to get some more information. I took time to think about the commitment needed in the post and if I thought I would do a good enough job on behalf of the fans. Spoke with my husband and my football dad and really gave it all great consideration as you can't go into this half heartedly. I will give this 110% because I'm passionate about it.

I have a good relationship with a few people at the club due to the Working Together Meetings and through my business package I had last season which is good, as I think if there are good relationships there already it helps to have discussions. With Fans News we also built up some great relationships in order to get tours of the training centre and interviews with players. First and foremost I'm a supporter and I like everyone else have my own opinions on matters. My views at times or my representation of views/feedback may differ with those at the club but I will always act on the Supporters behalf. I will treat this like anything I would with my business to get the best outcome. I've sacked clients in my business if the fit isn't right so I'm no pushover and will always ensure everything is listened to. I will be noting everything down that I speak to the club that isn't confidential and track it. I think adding those who have asked the questions to the system I will use will be beneficial as well. It then gives you a clear picture of when I've had discussions and if it's been followed up. For those who aren't online I would find another of way of feeding this back such as phone or face to face. These are all ideas at the moment but will to take on board any suggestions any supporter may have. At the end of the day we all love this club.


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Thanks very much.

[MSK]

Hi,

I've struggled with this one too. I love my seat in the FF lower also with my 2 girls. I really wouldn't want to move either if I'm honest. I do get though why the drummers/singing section would like the move to the FF lower behind the goals. It would take a lot of time to organise as well. So much planning would need to go into it as well pricing structures as it is obviously that little bit cheaper for families in the FF Lower. Atmosphere is something that we are currently looking at as one of the Working Together Groups which I'm part of with Amit leading this group. The matchday experience has to be appealing to everyone.

A standing section is something that wouldn't be looked at at the moment by the club. The cost involved is heavy and for me we don't need that right now as promotion is what should be in the clubs mind and spending any money to get us up. Just my thoughts though.


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[traceyhibs]

A lot of stuff I agree with here, serious well said from me[emoji106] one question that I think is important as I reflect on the previous two years.

Would you feel better placed to communicate both ways between fans and board on the issues you highlight if you were an elected fans representative but without a seat on the board?

Same question to any other candidates looking in

That's a good question. I think either would work for me. I think also the fact I've built up some good relationships with people at the club helps as not everything that fans want to feedback on are necessarily needed to be discussed at board level, but can be discussed with the relevant person at the club. I feed a lot of things back to the club via the Working Together Group meetings and then come back to the person with the reply or who to contact to get action. Not sure if that answers the question completely for you.


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[Bostonhibby]

That's a good question. I think either would work for me. I think also the fact I've built up some good relationships with people at the club helps as not everything that fans want to feedback on are necessarily needed to be discussed at board level, but can be discussed with the relevant person at the club. I feed a lot of things back to the club via the Working Together Group meetings and then come back to the person with the reply or who to contact to get action. Not sure if that answers the question completely for you.


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Thank you Tracey, to be honest I don't think anyone can truly act only in the interests of the fans in this particular role. Simply because it is a traditional directors seat.

The nearest I can see to something workable is in jonnyboy's post above. An official liaison unrestricted, the issue then is other than on a trust basis how do we know we're hearing everything we should hear or want to hear? Probably can't now!

Maybe an HSL director with member accountability and a block of shares behind them is the way forward?

Thanks for replying

[C Feeney-Seale]

Charlene

Thanks for posting here

If you were unsuccessful in the election, which statistically is likely for every candidate, what steps will you pledge to take to put in place any of the improvements you suggest?

Hi Andyf,

You're of course right, 7 of the 9 will be unsuccessful. I love the club and want what's best, and I feel I can be an effective fan representative and would be keen to do all I can to help.

However, we are having a vote, and should the fans not choose me I would not want to get in the way or step on the toes of the successful candidates.

I'd be very open to cooperating as much as I can, and if there was anything I could do to help the successful candidates then I would, but I can't list specific actions as I feel it would be appropriate to give the successful candidates space to manage their role as they see best.

[147lothian]

Hi Charlene,

When elections come round to have an idea who im voting for, i.e. I have to put a face to he messages, could you put up a pic please so I can see who you are, thanks

[marinello59]

Hi Charlene,

When elections come round to have an idea who im voting for, i.e. I have to put a face to he messages, could you put up a pic please so I can see who you are, thanks

Just go in to the Official site. The profiles of all the candidates are there.

[147lothian]

Just go in to the Official site. The profiles of all the candidates are there.

Thanks for that

[Gerard]

Hi Andyf,

You're of course right, 7 of the 9 will be unsuccessful. I love the club and want what's best, and I feel I can be an effective fan representative and would be keen to do all I can to help.

However, we are having a vote, and should the fans not choose me I would not want to get in the way or step on the toes of the successful candidates.

I'd be very open to cooperating as much as I can, and if there was anything I could do to help the successful candidates then I would, but I can't list specific actions as I feel it would be appropriate to give the successful candidates space to manage their role as they see best.

The club have working together which allows the club and fans to particpate in making our club a better one on and off the pitch. I have been attending this group for some time and IMO it is a way in which the fans can contribute to improving the club. My interest has been in growing the fan base. the next meeting will focus on
1)Wear Your Colours - John Miller
2)Stadium Improvements
3)Atmosphere/Experience/Fans Guide - Amit Moudgil
The club is fortunate to have 9 very capable candidates who are standing for the two positions as directors. I hope that the 7 who are not elected will find other ways to make our club a better one. WT may provide one option in this regard.

[traceyhibs]

Thank you Tracey, to be honest I don't think anyone can truly act only in the interests of the fans in this particular role. Simply because it is a traditional directors seat.

The nearest I can see to something workable is in jonnyboy's post above. An official liaison unrestricted, the issue then is other than on a trust basis how do we know we're hearing everything we should hear or want to hear? Probably can't now!

Maybe an HSL director with member accountability and a block of shares behind them is the way forward?

Thanks for replying

That's no problem. Respect your opinion on this. There are supporters who are not a fan of this role and I get that. Whoever is elected will need to work hard to gain those supporters trust.


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[Bostonhibby]

That's no problem. Respect your opinion on this. There are supporters who are not a fan of this role and I get that. Whoever is elected will need to work hard to gain those supporters trust.


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Was pro the experiment and will be voting again for whoever convinces me they can do the best job of working with what we have and to improve it.

Good luck

[traceyhibs]

Was pro the experiment and will be voting again for whoever convinces me they can do the best job of working with what we have and to improve it.

Good luck

Thank you. Up against very stiff competition and it's great to see another female in there as well.


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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Hi,

I've struggled with this one too. I love my seat in the FF lower also with my 2 girls. I really wouldn't want to move either if I'm honest. I do get though why the drummers/singing section would like the move to the FF lower behind the goals. It would take a lot of time to organise as well. So much planning would need to go into it as well pricing structures as it is obviously that little bit cheaper for families in the FF Lower. Atmosphere is something that we are currently looking at as one of the Working Together Groups which I'm part of with Amit leading this group. The matchday experience has to be appealing to everyone.
M
A standing section is something that wouldn't be looked at at the moment by the club. The cost involved is heavy and for me we don't need that right now as promotion is what should be in the clubs mind and spending any money to get us up. Just my thoughts though.


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Nice to hear that one of the new candidates (the others make _no_ references) has actively participated in working together.

I'd suggest that this probably gives arguable the next best thing to gaining insight into some of the challenges of getting things done, how folks have/are tackling it and the constraints. I mean if you're serious why would you not participate (it's like not doing part of your research) ?

[traceyhibs]

Nice to hear that one of the reps (the others make _no_ references) has actively participated in working together.

I'd suggest that this probably gives arguable the next best thing to gaining insight into some of the challenges of getting things done, how folks have/are tackling it and the constraints. I mean if you're serious why would you not participate (it's like not doing part of your research) ?

They are great meetings and increasing attendance would be something I'd like to look at. Great platform for fans and we are also looking at way of making it more accessible for people who can't attend but want to get involved. I'm sure one of the requirements of this role when it was posted was to attend these. Frank and Amit do attend these also and give updates there.


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[Viva_Palmeiras]

They are great meetings and increasing attendance would be something I'd like to look at. Great platform for fans and we are also looking at way of making it more accessible for people who can't attend but want to get involved. I'm sure one of the requirements of this role when it was posted was to attend these. Frank and Amit do attend these also and give updates there.

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Sorry didn't mean to misrepresent.

Id imagine it would be a requirement for the role and the incumbents and possibly Pat have attended. Just odd if folks want to pitch in that they wouldn't have already attended even to just get a feel. I know there's also a lot to be said for a fresh pair of eyes. Maybe it's something future candidates might want to consider? I'm not suggesting its a prerequisite just I think would provide a useful insight.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Dunno if my questions to Charlene got lost in the crossfire but they are still here...

[C Feeney-Seale]

Hi Charlene


Since there are 2 positions open for fan reps, which other nominee which you like to work alongside and think would bring the most out of the position along with yourself.


First of all thanks to all the candidates for being brave and committed enough to stand - I do know it's not an easy decision to make nor to follow up on. After and during the last election I suggested that all 17 candidates (far too many IMO) should get together successful or not and share the ideas they wanted to bring to the role. It never happened. Do you think it should? Which other candidate do you think you would work with most effectively and why? (I've sort of explained my personal view on another post ie for me it's Amit and Charlene or Tracy but good luck to all candidates).

Hi Guthrie and Leith Mo,

Hope you don’t mind me answering these questions together.

In terms of working with other candidates – I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other. There are 8 other candidates in my view who all offer something valuable, and I don’t think anyone’s desire to do this role well can be questioned.

The specific suggestions I’ve made about how I’d like to approach the role if successful can easily be approached together, or independently without stepping on the other reps toes.

I’ve got experience working with lots of different parties with different priorities, so I’m sure I’d be able to establish a productive working relationship with whoever else is selected, should I be selected myself.

Leith Mo – in terms of working with the successful candidates should I not be selected, I’d definitely be open to this. My only hesitation would be that the successful candidates, whoever they are, should be allowed to operate in the role in they way they have pledged to – I wouldn’t want to get in the way. I’ll respect the result of the vote – and if I’m not selected I’ll definitely be available to help however I can, but won’t be a thorn in the side of those chosen. Ultimately, whatever the result of the election, I want the fan reps to be a success.


Nice to hear that one of the new candidates (the others make _no_ references) has actively participated in working together.

I'd suggest that this probably gives arguable the next best thing to gaining insight into some of the challenges of getting things done, how folks have/are tackling it and the constraints. I mean if you're serious why would you not participate (it's like not doing part of your research) ?

Hi VivaPalmeiras,

I agree that the working together initiative is a good thing – after all its another way to open the club up to the fans, and to get fans views considered. While I haven’t been I along yet, if I were chosen as one of the fan reps I agree this would be a great way to take the pulse of a selection of fans. However, as I’ve said before I’m cautious about relying on any one method of getting fans views – this can definitely be a part of that, but not every fan can attend these sessions, and I don’t want to prioritise or exclude the views of any one section of the fan base.

Cheers,

Charlene

[C Feeney-Seale]

Some of you may have already seen this, but all 9 candidates for the supporters representative will be at the Hibs club, Sunnyside on Tuesday evening for a meet and great session with fans. More information here (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/7216).

The club will also be streaming the event live for supporters who cannot attend, and I've asked if it will be possible for fans following the stream to ask questions of the candidates. I'll let you know when I hear anything more.

Hope to meet some of you there, and in the meantime more than happy to take any questions you may have online.

Cheers,

Charlene

[C Feeney-Seale]

Folks that have worked for PwC are made of sterner stuff.

In that regard Charlene how would you see yourself building relationships within the board with folks that might see you From management consultancy background as bit of a threat?

How would you as an out of towner manage to balance commitments?

Are you familiar with the work of lets work together and working together, perhaps you may have attended ?

What are your insights as to the initiatives successes and real challenges that they just for some reason don't seem to be able to get past?
How do you think you could address that?

tracking comments and themes that get blocked / stalled / punted into the long grass - won't working together have that anyway? Is it better to focus on understanding the profile of our support base and tackling the reoccurring issu of a patchy supporters database or would you bake that in too?

And finally - were you on the pitch ;) ?

Good luck and well done for putting yourself forward and adding a different dimension.

apologies for the bad typing / capitalisation probs - the iPad is an editing nightmare tonight.

Hi VivaPalmeiras,

Apologies, I’ve missed some of this message.

In terms of working with the board, I wouldn’t imagine that I’d be seen as a threat. My background as a consultant means I have experience of working with senior executives, understanding their priorities and so I’ll be able to structure my interventions effectively to give the board the information they need to fully appreciate supporters views.

In terms of balancing commitments, I have travelled for years to support Hibs – although I grew up in Edinburgh I studied in Aberdeen and Germany, and have made the trip frequently from London. The train from London is only a little more than an hour longer than the train to Aberdeen, and I do work from Edinburgh on a regular basis as well, so I’m confident I will continue to get to games and club events to meet with supporters, and have the time to attend board meetings. I’ve also spent a considerable amount of time volunteering with Marie Curie, as chairwoman of the first West of Edinburgh fundraising group a few years ago – so I am experienced at juggling commitments.

I haven’t yet attended working together, but as mentioned in my other reply I do plan to. Working together definitely sounds like a valuable part of engaging with fans – but it leaves the onus on fans being able to attend these meetings at set times. I think the supporters reps really do need to look beyond just one or two sources of views, we need to make sure all sections of the supporters are feeding into the big decisions. Who knows, one of these issues that has stalled might be a frustration shared by only a very small proportion of the support, or it could be an issue which impacts almost everyone. If we can get this kind of information, then we can help fans understand why some issues are being prioritised, or show the board than this is an issue which really should not be left on the back-burner.

And finally, no, I wasn’t on the pitch!

Cheers,

Charlene

[brog]

Hi Brog,
Yeah, I currently live in London, but I travel regularly back to Scotland to visit family and get to Hibs games, home and away. I also work from Edinburgh fairly regularly, at least once per month. I can commit that I’ll be able to attend all the board meetings, and I’ll be at the games to speak with other supporters.
Look forward to meeting you at the Burns night tomorrow.
Cheers,
Charlene

Was good to meet you Charlene. The effort you've made in fully answering so many & varied questions, certainly shows your diligence & commitment to the position. Good luck!

[Bishop Hibee]

Having just returned to this thread after yesterday afternoon and notice my previous posts were removed as being 'guff', I will try to frame what I was trying to articulate in a direct question to the candidate (I assume this was what the issue was).

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I've got to listen to the "guff" every other Saturday 😂😂😂.

On topic, welcome Charlene and good luck in the campaign.

[C Feeney-Seale]

Some of you may have already seen this, but all 9 candidates for the supporters representative will be at the Hibs club, Sunnyside on Tuesday evening for a meet and great session with fans. More information here (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/7216).

The club will also be streaming the event live for supporters who cannot attend, and I've asked if it will be possible for fans following the stream to ask questions of the candidates. I'll let you know when I hear anything more.

Hope to meet some of you there, and in the meantime more than happy to take any questions you may have online.

Cheers,

Charlene

Short update on this, the club have confirmed that there will not be a way for fans watching online to submit questions. However, more than happy to take any questions you may have here.

Cheers,

Charlene

[Ronniekirk]

Is it only Charlene and Traey engaging with Hibs.Net
Last time round thete seemed to be a lot more candidates doing this
Voted for Amit last year as he was one of the first to come on here and engage
Will obviously wait and see after tomorrows hustings who else is being proactive
Apologies if i have missed other threads with other candidates
But so far i feel Charlene is giving the most information and clearly working hard to get folk on Board despite being based in London a lot of the time which seems to be an issue for some
She certainly couldnt get to the amount of events Frank gets to but she is certainly willing to canvas views and engagev

[northstandhibby]

Short update on this, the club have confirmed that there will not be a way for fans watching online to submit questions. However, more than happy to take any questions you may have here.

Cheers,

Charlene

I would simply like to wish you good luck on being elected and that you appear to be a communicative and suitable candidate.

All the very best.

Glory Glory

[Johnny Clash]

I'm stuck in London and I can't make hustings so would be good to read any feedback after tomorrow nights session.

Having read this thread my main point would be about the general role of the supporters reps in meetings with the board. I believe the two reps responsibilities should be to argue as strongly as possible for fans - to the overall benefit of the club and drive forward change.

I appreciate it's not easy working out a true consensus on many issues . The standing area debate and the location of the singing section are just a couple of examples of split opinion. However, where it's possible to identify issues that the majority of fans are behind then those issues should be argued for - even if the reps themselves may have a different personal opinion.

I'm sure I read some comments from a candidate suggesting some ideas would not be acceptable to the board so there's no point pursuing them ?? but that's exactly my point. The reps are there to challenge things on behalf of the support and bring in changes as a result of fan initiatives. Not just to agree with the other members of the board!

It's not about being considered a threat - as a previous poster refered to - it's about being effective and sometimes that means you have to argue for change and not just go with everyone else sat around the boardroom table.

The supporters who organise the current singing section/the drum/section 43 Have complained in the past that they feel ignored by our own officialdom. Apologies if I've picked that up wrong but if that is indeed the case then that's one issue that needs addressing and communication improving.

Final point... I do hope whoever wins doesn't go near any of the dreaded 'management speak' which really does give me the boke!

[traceyhibs]

I'm stuck in London and I can't make hustings so would be good to read any feedback after tomorrow nights session.

Having read this thread my main point would be about the general role of the supporters reps in meetings with the board. I believe the two reps responsibilities should be to argue as strongly as possible for fans - to the overall benefit of the club and drive forward change.

I appreciate it's not easy working out a true consensus on many issues . The standing area debate and the location of the singing section are just a couple of examples of split opinion. However, where it's possible to identify issues that the majority of fans are behind then those issues should be argued for - even if the reps themselves may have a different personal opinion.

I'm sure I read some comments from a candidate suggesting some ideas would not be acceptable to the board so there's no point pursuing them ?? but that's exactly my point. The reps are there to challenge things on behalf of the support and bring in changes as a result of fan initiatives. Not just to agree with the other members of the board!

It's not about being considered a threat - as a previous poster refered to - it's about being effective and sometimes that means you have to argue for change and not just go with everyone else sat around the boardroom table.

The supporters who organise singing/the drum/section 43 Have complained in the past that they feel ignored by our own officialdom. Apologies if I've picked that up wrong but if that is indeed the case then that's one issue that needs addressing and communication improving.

Final point... I do hope whoever wins doesn't go near any of the dreaded 'management speak' which really does give me the boke!

Hi there its Tracey,

Totally agree as we are there to represent the fans. There are going to be things that won't be acceptable to the Board but that's for us to argue and find that out. I am part of the Working Together Group that is looking at Atmosphere and we will be including Section 43 with this as they are a massive part of the atmosphere, and I believe Amit has been in touch with a couple of the lads. We aren't going to agree with everyone's opinions but we have to see past that also.

Sorry hope Charlene doesn't think I'm hijacking this but thought I could touch on the Section 43 issue.

Thank you

Tracey [emoji4]


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[Johnny Clash]

Hi there its Tracey,

Totally agree as we are there to represent the fans. There are going to be things that won't be acceptable to the Board but that's for us to argue and find that out. I am part of the Working Together Group that is looking at Atmosphere and we will be including Section 43 with this as they are a massive part of the atmosphere, and I believe Amit has been in touch with a couple of the lads. We aren't going to agree with everyone's opinions but we have to see past that also.

Sorry hope Charlene doesn't think I'm hijacking this but thought I could touch on the Section 43 issue.

Thank you

Tracey [emoji4]


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Thanks for reply and sorry if I've missed a general thread about Supporters Reps ... I take your point about this thread being set up by one candidate.

Re things not being acceptable to board - i know what you mean but I think the creation of fans reps was a positive development by our club to actually help challenge the board on issues the support considered necessary . Relationships are good now because we won the cup and looks like we are heading for promotion. One big happy Hibee family, but January 2015 was a different story. Hands On Hibs, calls to sack the board, chairman etc all because a large part of our support felt ignored and the boardroom was making a mess of it.

So if I've got this right - the aftermath of all that energy was to create two Supporters' Reps positions to either sit on the board or at least to give the wider support a voice on the board? Instead of making our points in the car park outside ER we can now make them in the boardroom, type thing.

My reason for posting was really to underline that point - hoping that the two elected reps will see their role clearly, to take up issues that the board may very well be against and to ensure that the board responds to the support and never makes the mistake of disenfranchising the life blood of our club .

[C Feeney-Seale]

I'm stuck in London and I can't make hustings so would be good to read any feedback after tomorrow nights session.

Having read this thread my main point would be about the general role of the supporters reps in meetings with the board. I believe the two reps responsibilities should be to argue as strongly as possible for fans - to the overall benefit of the club and drive forward change.

I appreciate it's not easy working out a true consensus on many issues . The standing area debate and the location of the singing section are just a couple of examples of split opinion. However, where it's possible to identify issues that the majority of fans are behind then those issues should be argued for - even if the reps themselves may have a different personal opinion.

I'm sure I read some comments from a candidate suggesting some ideas would not be acceptable to the board so there's no point pursuing them ?? but that's exactly my point. The reps are there to challenge things on behalf of the support and bring in changes as a result of fan initiatives. Not just to agree with the other members of the board!

It's not about being considered a threat - as a previous poster refered to - it's about being effective and sometimes that means you have to argue for change and not just go with everyone else sat around the boardroom table.

The supporters who organise the current singing section/the drum/section 43 Have complained in the past that they feel ignored by our own officialdom. Apologies if I've picked that up wrong but if that is indeed the case then that's one issue that needs addressing and communication improving.

Final point... I do hope whoever wins doesn't go near any of the dreaded 'management speak' which really does give me the boke!

Hi Johnny Clash,

I agree that establishing the true consensus will be difficult. On a lot of issues, this simply won't exist - we're a diverse group of fans. In that case, I think it's really important that the supporters reps go out and get a sense of the different opinions on the issue so that they can feed this into the board. This is why I want to see more being done to get views from a broader range of fans, and to share the finding of this with fans prior to board meetings. It means that, if successful, supporters can hold me to account on what I'm taking to the board, and will be able to see that this isn't just the views of a certain group of fans (or, even worse, just the personal view of the supporters rep as you suggest).

I definitely don't think the supporters reps should be filtering based on how the board will react - this doesn't do anyone any favours. We should be putting our energy into finding out how many supporters hold that view.

I'm not surprised if there is a feeling that some fans are being ignored - I don't think enough is being done to come back to fans after board meetings, and this is something I'd definitely like to do more of.

Cheers,

Charlene

[Eaststand]

Hi Johnny Clash,

I agree that establishing the true consensus will be difficult. On a lot of issues, this simply won't exist - we're a diverse group of fans. In that case, I think it's really important that the supporters reps go out and get a sense of the different opinions on the issue so that they can feed this into the board. This is why I want to see more being done to get views from a broader range of fans, and to share the finding of this with fans prior to board meetings. It means that, if successful, supporters can hold me to account on what I'm taking to the board, and will be able to see that this isn't just the views of a certain group of fans (or, even worse, just the personal view of the supporters rep as you suggest).

I definitely don't think the supporters reps should be filtering based on how the board will react - this doesn't do anyone any favours. We should be putting our energy into finding out how many supporters hold that view.

I'm not surprised if there is a feeling that some fans are being ignored - I don't think enough is being done to come back to fans after board meetings, and this is something I'd definitely like to do more of.

Cheers,

Charlene

Hi Charlene, and greetings also to the other candidates who may be reading this thread.
I think your last paragraph pretty much sums it up for me. I voted last time for the 2 candidates who I expected to be establishing an online 2 way comunications process to deal with issues at our Club. I'm not convinced that my hopes were met, so, for all candidates reading this, you'll get my votes, and I suspect quite a few others, if you promise to improve supporter/club/board communication 👍

GGTTH

[C Feeney-Seale]

Hi Charlene, and greetings also to the other candidates who may be reading this thread.
I think your last paragraph pretty much sums it up for me. I voted last time for the 2 candidates who I expected to be establishing an online 2 way comunications process to deal with issues at our Club. I'm not convinced that my hopes were met, so, for all candidates reading this, you'll get my votes, and I suspect quite a few others, if you promise to improve supporter/club/board communication 👍

GGTTH

Hi Eaststand,

I've outlined some of my proposals to do this in other posts in this thread. As a first step I want to get minutes after the board meetings shared online, but I also want to offer supporters a short video debrief. Of course, I'll be happy to discuss the meetings face to face as well, but I think it's really important to make the information available to everyone and not just those who happen to be in conversation with one of the reps.

I think this, along with sharing my preparation and summary of discussions that I've had with supporters before board meetings could really help to make communication more of a conversation.

Cheers,

Charlene

[bigwheel]

Hi Eaststand,

I've outlined some of my proposals to do this in other posts in this thread. As a first step I want to get minutes after the board meetings shared online, but I also want to offer supporters a short video debrief. Of course, I'll be happy to discuss the meetings face to face as well, but I think it's really important to make the information available to everyone and not just those who happen to be in conversation with one of the reps.

I think this, along with sharing my preparation and summary of discussions that I've had with supporters before board meetings could really help to make communication more of a conversation.

Cheers,

Charlene

I can't imagine it being at all appropriate to share board minutes publicly ...there will be Many items which are commercially sensitive...

There will be of course a number of items where some summary or debrief would be very appropriate and helpful .

[C Feeney-Seale]

I can't imagine it being at all appropriate to share board minutes publicly ...there will be Many items which are commercially sensitive...

There will be of course a number of items where some summary or debrief would be very appropriate and helpful .

Hi Bigwheel,

Of course there will be some parts of the board discussion that are commercially sensitive, but there is no reason why we can't have something coming out after the meetings. Other clubs around the UK are already doing this - like Carlisle United (http://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/fans/fanrep/). So while there will be a limit on what can be shared with supporters, we definitely could be doing more than we are at present.

Cheers,

Charlene

[bigwheel]

Hi Bigwheel,

Of course there will be some parts of the board discussion that are commercially sensitive, but there is no reason why we can't have something coming out after the meetings. Other clubs around the UK are already doing this - like Carlisle United (http://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/fans/fanrep/). So while there will be a limit on what can be shared with supporters, we definitely could be doing more than we are at present.

Cheers,

Charlene

Cheers for the quick reply . I'm sure that is the case. For me , I don't really want to see board minutes - they are usually clipped summaries which lack the context on the subject . So whilst it might seem a good idea , in practise it's likely To create more questions than answers

I'd prefer more rounded updates on the topics that will be of interest to the fan base.

[Eaststand]

Hi Eaststand,

I've outlined some of my proposals to do this in other posts in this thread. As a first step I want to get minutes after the board meetings shared online, but I also want to offer supporters a short video debrief. Of course, I'll be happy to discuss the meetings face to face as well, but I think it's really important to make the information available to everyone and not just those who happen to be in conversation with one of the reps.

I think this, along with sharing my preparation and summary of discussions that I've had with supporters before board meetings could really help to make communication more of a conversation.

Cheers,

Charlene

Thanks for the quick reply and I like what you're saying you'll do, so as far as im concerned, you're out in front of the pack at the minute 👍

GGTTH

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Thanks for the quick reply and I like what you're saying you'll do, so as far as im concerned, you're out in front of the pack at the minute 👍

GGTTH

With respect charlene, that is mental.

Board minutes will be, and should be, highly confidential and certainly not made public online.

There may ne scope for some sort of redacted version, but it would be so redacted as to make it worthless.

[C Feeney-Seale]

With respect charlene, that is mental.

Board minutes will be, and should be, highly confidential and certainly not made public online.

There may ne scope for some sort of redacted version, but it would be so redacted as to make it worthless.


Like I've said above, other football clubs in the UK and overseas already make minutes available, as do other organisations, so I'd have to disagree that it's a 'mental' suggestion.

Sure, some of the discussion will not be released in the minutes, and I'm sure there will be a degree of censoring, but for a club that is taking steps towards fan ownership it seems crazy that we don't release anything, even if it is a sanitised version. Surely some dialogue is better than nothing?

Cheers,

Charlene

[CropleyWasGod]

Board minutes are part of the records of the company. As such, they are absolutely confidential.

I have been in situations where abridged versions have been made available to non-members. However, it caused more problems than solutions.

1. the Board, as a whole, have to agree that abridged minutes be issued.

2. those minutes become public domain documents. As such, they are available not just to fans, but the media and the public at large. Do we really want that?

3. who decides what goes in them, and how they are presented? That discussion, in itself, could be quite time-consuming.

4. as has been said, context of discussions is often omitted from minutes. As such, they can be open to misinterpretation. Abridged versions could be even more vulnerable to that.

[Lancs Harp]

My problem with Pat Stanton is how is he going to represent the fans? Obviously he is a fan and a legend, but that doesn't qualify him for this role.

Totally agree.

We're electing a fans rep not a Hibs hall of fame.

[BSEJVT]

I have stayed out of this particular point but now the genie is out the bottle....

It is both unrealistic and completely unprofessional to consider publishing the board meeting minutes or even an extract of them and to be honest smacks of someone trying too hard to gain votes without engaging their brain.

Its also not at all what the Fans rep role is meant to be.

The fans neither need nor should be aware of everything that goes on at board level in the same way as employees shouldn't be aware of everything that is discussed at their company's board meetings.

The fans rep role is to gather the views of the fans on their burning issues and where appropriate report them to the board and then report back to the fans where possible.

Anything else is completely OTT and unwarranted and has certainly raised my concerns over Charlene's suitability for the role.

It shows an alarming naivety.

[Bostonhibby]

Board minutes are part of the records of the company. As such, they are absolutely confidential.

I have been in situations where abridged versions have been made available to non-members. However, it caused more problems than solutions.

1. the Board, as a whole, have to agree that abridged minutes be issued.

2. those minutes become public domain documents. As such, they are available not just to fans, but the media and the public at large. Do we really want that?

3. who decides what goes in them, and how they are presented? That discussion, in itself, could be quite time-consuming.

4. as has been said, context of discussions is often omitted from minutes. As such, they can be open to misinterpretation. Abridged versions could be even more vulnerable to that.

I agree. part of the story creates speculation and that usually grows legs as well.

Which is essentially why I see a conflict between the desire of a fan who is representing the sole interests of fellow fans (to be full and frank with what they tell fans) and their overriding responsibilities and liabilities as board directors. Difficult to properly do when this particular role comes with a seat on a board.

[CropleyWasGod]

I agree. part of the story creates speculation and that usually grows legs as well.

Which is essentially why I see a conflict between the desire of a fan who is representing the sole interests of fellow fans (to be full and frank with what they tell fans) and their overriding responsibilities and liabilities as board directors. Difficult to properly do when this particular role comes with a seat on a board.

That conflict is common, in many Board situations, not just in this one. It's not an easy one to manage.

However, the best people find a way. :agree:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Like I've said above, other football clubs in the UK and overseas already make minutes available, as do other organisations, so I'd have to disagree that it's a 'mental' suggestion.

Sure, some of the discussion will not be released in the minutes, and I'm sure there will be a degree of censoring, but for a club that is taking steps towards fan ownership it seems crazy that we don't release anything, even if it is a sanitised version. Surely some dialogue is better than nothing?

Cheers,

Charlene

Apologies, maybe a poor choice of language from me (i was thinking that i would probably get sacked if i suggested this aty work!)

Dialogue is positive of course, and i would agree that the fan reps shpuld be free to discuss certain agenda items with the fans. But agendas, minutes etc should be confidential, the media would make it unbearable.

[Bostonhibby]

That conflict is common, in many Board situations, not just in this one. It's not an easy one to manage.

However, the best people find a way. :agree:

:agree: Been there. They often say there's no business quite like a football club!, and finding ways to put detail out that maybe shouldn't be out, into the public arena is something I'd rather not see.

[C Feeney-Seale]

At tonight's fan hustings, all 9 candidates have been asked to talk about how the will get views from supporters, and how they will communicate back to them as well. This is absolutely a key part of what the role is about, and it's a part I feel we have not made much progress in.

Minutes from a board meeting do not need to contain anything sensitive that would impact the club, or give hostile parties or the media something to jump on. They can still serve a purpose - to give supporters a flavour of the discussion, and to show that issues are being considered. I've not suggested that supporters can expect a blow by blow account of everything that's been said, by who in the meeting, but I totally disagree that there should be no feedback at all to fans.

I think there is clear demand among fans for more feedback, and his can be a part of that along with debriefs from the fan reps, and updates like blogs. It's not even a revolutionary suggestion, as I have pointed out other sports clubs already do this. I'm sure these clubs also have a more comprehensive set of minutes which remain private, but this is not a barrier. Fnas should be seeing something after board meetings when two of the positions are there to increase back and forward communication.

Cheers,

Charlene

[CropleyWasGod]

At tonight's fan hustings, all 9 candidates have been asked to talk about how the will get views from supporters, and how they will communicate back to them as well. This is absolutely a key part of what the role is about, and it's a part I feel we have not made much progress in.


Minutes from a board meeting do not need to contain anything sensitive that would impact the club, or give hostile parties or the media something to jump on. They can still serve a purpose - to give supporters a flavour of the discussion, and to show that issues are being considered. I've not suggested that supporters can expect a blow by blow account of everything that's been said, by who in the meeting, but I totally disagree that there should be no feedback at all to fans.

I think there is clear demand among fans for more feedback, and his can be a part of that along with debriefs from the fan reps, and updates like blogs. It's not even a revolutionary suggestion, as I have pointed out other sports clubs already do this.

They may already do that, but how?

If elected, you will be faced with all of the concerns that I, and others, have raised. Those questions will be raised by your fellow Board members, who will almost certainly be resistant to your proposal. How would you deal with that resistance and, consequently, the concerns that have been raised?

[Johnny Clash]

Hi Johnny Clash,

I agree that establishing the true consensus will be difficult. On a lot of issues, this simply won't exist - we're a diverse group of fans. In that case, I think it's really important that the supporters reps go out and get a sense of the different opinions on the issue so that they can feed this into the board. This is why I want to see more being done to get views from a broader range of fans, and to share the finding of this with fans prior to board meetings. It means that, if successful, supporters can hold me to account on what I'm taking to the board, and will be able to see that this isn't just the views of a certain group of fans (or, even worse, just the personal view of the supporters rep as you suggest).

I definitely don't think the supporters reps should be filtering based on how the board will react - this doesn't do anyone any favours. We should be putting our energy into finding out how many supporters hold that view.

I'm not surprised if there is a feeling that some fans are being ignored - I don't think enough is being done to come back to fans after board meetings, and this is something I'd definitely like to do more of.

Cheers,

Charlene


Thanks for your reply Charlene and I think it's good you clearly see Hibs as a club that wants to involve fans more and build a bigger profile in the community. We are not simply a Business. Those jumping up and down over your proposal to improve communication by letting us know relevant information from board meetings need to get a grip,

Most of us have no idea what gets discussed or how the board even works. We have a board of 9 - I assume the 7 non executive directors all get a vote? So our two reps could have a significant impact to change things for the better.

You've already made it clear the info you'd make available to the supporters would not be sensitive or damaging to the club so that would be welcomed by most. Those who do not want to know about what's getting discussed or agreed on our behalf need not read your postings,

[Bostonhibby]

Thanks for your reply Charlene and I think it's good you clearly see Hibs as a club that wants to involve fans more and build a bigger profile in the community. We are not simply a Business. Those jumping up and down over your proposal to improve communication by letting us know relevant information from board meetings need to get a grip,

Most of us have no idea what gets discussed or how the board even works. We have a board of 9 - I assume the 7 non executive directors all get a vote? So our two reps could have a significant impact to change things for the better.

You've already made it clear the info you'd make available to the supporters would not be sensitive or damaging to the club so that would be welcomed by most. Those who do not want to know about what's getting discussed or agreed on our behalf need not read your postings,

Johnny

You won't find me jumping up and down - for a whole variety of reasons!

The problem is (and I am confident Candidates on here get it) that there are legal and often personal liabilities attached to being a company director - confidentiality legally prevents directors sharing a whole host of things - even those that are of interest to, or affect fans. Hibs don't make the law here, we just have to operate within it.

Somewhere up the thread I tried to highlight how the reps hands might be less tied if they were elected in similar fashion but not on the board - there's a down side to that as well of course over what they get to hear about, but they will still be able to feed everything in and share the feedback fully(?). I do agree re improving / formalising what does come out.

Either way, there's an impressive will to improve things so whatever we are presented with I'll be voting for whoever puts the fans interests first but has an eye on protecting the clubs wider position and good name as well.

[ekhibee]

My understanding was that any limited company is required to submit annual financial statements and annual company returns to the Register of Companies, so their financial accounts can be viewed at any time. As far as I was led to believe, they are legally required to do so under the Companies Act 2006. They are a matter of public record. So anybody should be able to examine the financial accounts of H.F.C. Holdings Limited. At the same time I appreciate why board minutes would not fall under this catagory, and should remain confidential, particularly with respect to personal issues that should remain within the boardroom.

[CropleyWasGod]

Just to muddy the waters a bit on the question of minutes, shareholders are entitled to view them at any time.

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[Liberal Hibby]

There are of course a variety of non-football enterprises where this tension between commercial confidence and wider accountability occurs. I have a bit of experience working with social housing businesses - many often set up by local authorities to own and manage their homes. These have elected tenant reps on their boards and often well developed structures below the board to represent tenants' wider interests, communicate business strategy and feedback views. I think it is an analagous situation to fan reps on the board at Hibs.

I understand we don't yet know how the election will be conducted or what the franchise is. So the issues is much wider than whether minutes of board meetings are publicised (bowdlerised or otherwise) - it is about putting in place long term structures to communicate with shareholders, season ticket holders and the wider fan base regularly and appropriately. And I'm glad Charlene has kicked off the debate.

[ancient hibee]

At tonight's fan hustings, all 9 candidates have been asked to talk about how the will get views from supporters, and how they will communicate back to them as well. This is absolutely a key part of what the role is about, and it's a part I feel we have not made much progress in.

Minutes from a board meeting do not need to contain anything sensitive that would impact the club, or give hostile parties or the media something to jump on. They can still serve a purpose - to give supporters a flavour of the discussion, and to show that issues are being considered. I've not suggested that supporters can expect a blow by blow account of everything that's been said, by who in the meeting, but I totally disagree that there should be no feedback at all to fans.

I think there is clear demand among fans for more feedback, and his can be a part of that along with debriefs from the fan reps, and updates like blogs. It's not even a revolutionary suggestion, as I have pointed out other sports clubs already do this. I'm sure these clubs also have a more comprehensive set of minutes which remain private, but this is not a barrier. Fnas should be seeing something after board meetings when two of the positions are there to increase back and forward communication.

Cheers,

Charlene

So would your proposed minute be giving decisions made or would it contain detail of discussion and disagreement? Frankly the last thing this club needs is someone on the board telling fans "I tried to do this but they wouldn't let me."Good luck with your campaign.

[Peevemor]

I think what's important here is that Charlene is committed to reporting/publishing what she can. There will obviously be sensitive issues which will (and should) remain in the boardroom and I'd imagine that anything she does release will have to be okayed in advance by Leeann Dempster/the board, but I'm pretty sure that Amit could have done more in this respect over the past couple of years (and not just the last couple of weeks since the list of candidates has been announced).

As for Frank Dougan, not living in the UK, I've no idea how much he communicates.

[ronaldo7]

Having watched the hustings this evening, the Ladies have my votes. Well done to all candidates.

I look forward to Charlene taking "feedback" by the scruff of the neck, and giving the fans what they want.

Tracey spoke very well on the working together group, of which she's a member, and was the only one to mention kids and pricing.

Go get them Girls.:greengrin

[andyf5]

I have stayed out of this particular point but now the genie is out the bottle....

It is both unrealistic and completely unprofessional to consider publishing the board meeting minutes or even an extract of them and to be honest smacks of someone trying too hard to gain votes without engaging their brain.



I'm not sure why Charlene is getting so much heat on this. Here are the latest board minutes from Carlisle United a club she mentioned as an example, http://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/article/minutes-from-the-november-2015-board-meeting-2816194.aspx

Communication between the club and the fans can be improved and I wouldn't mind seeing the board minutes as amended for public consumption. I don't expect to see latest transfer targets etc detailed.

[pacoluna]

The latter of this thread is full of hypocrites!

[Peevemor]

The latter of this thread is full of hypocrites!
Myself included?

[pacoluna]

Myself included?

No I agree with much of your post.

Both ladies impressed me the most after watching it on fb. Pat didn't come across well at all almost as if he never put much thought in to it. .

[CropleyWasGod]

Hi Charlene.

Something came up on another thread which I thought should be raised here.

There are those on this board who have little time for Hibs Retro. I don't know if that's replicated elsewhere.

However, they seem to have endorsed your own candidacy. That's their right, of course.

Do you have any thoughts on how they operate, or indeed their support?

Thanks

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[GreenCastle]

They may already do that, but how?

If elected, you will be faced with all of the concerns that I, and others, have raised. Those questions will be raised by your fellow Board members, who will almost certainly be resistant to your proposal. How would you deal with that resistance and, consequently, the concerns that have been raised?

That's what I'm curious about. How will each candidate deal with decisions they don't agree with.

You can tell by some of the posts by Amit that I'm sure there is more he wants to say but can't as he doesn't want to sound like he's bad mouthing Hibs.

Is a candidate will to go against the grain or will they tow the party line to avoid any conflict / falling out / negative future reference.

[Ronniekirk]

Its all gone quiet from the candidates since the Hustings finished
No doubt we will see s wee flurry again before voting starts

[CropleyWasGod]

That's what I'm curious about. How will each candidate deal with decisions they don't agree with.

You can tell by some of the posts by Amit that I'm sure there is more he wants to say but can't as he doesn't want to sound like he's bad mouthing Hibs.

Is a candidate will to go against the grain or will they tow the party line to avoid any conflict / falling out / negative future reference.
In most Boards, once a decision has been taken, the Board takes collective responsibility.

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[Bostonhibby]

A lot of stuff I agree with here, serious well said from me[emoji106] one question that I think is important as I reflect on the previous two years.

Would you feel better placed to communicate both ways between fans and board on the issues you highlight if you were an elected fans representative but without a seat on the board?

Same question to any other candidates looking in

Bump

Have viewed the hustings and mind is pretty much made up about who to vote for but wondered if any candidates on here except Tracey had a view?

[DaveF]

That's an interesting point, as there was a lot of heat (rightly or wrongly) directed towards Frank and Amit over the treatment of Hibs fans at Ibrox and silence which followed it. How would you be sure that you could do better should such an issue occur again?

Just bumping my own question for you Charlene - Or any other potential candidate - re the thorny issue of Ibrox and fan treatment.

[traceyhibs]

Just bumping my own question for you Charlene - Or any other potential candidate - re the thorny issue of Ibrox and fan treatment.

As someone who has been hit with coins and had fluid thrown at them at Ibrox I think it's disgusting. How they get away with it is beyond me. Away fans are stuck in that corner like caged animals. That is my own personal opinion and just what I have witnessed as a supporter there.


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[Ronniekirk]

As someone who has been hit with coins and had fluid thrown at them at Ibrox I think it's disgusting. How they get away with it is beyond me. Away fans are stuck in that corner like caged animals. That is my own personal opinion and just what I have witnessed as a supporter there.


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But it keeps happening as the Stewards and Police in effect turn a blind eye imo The next game there doesnt appeal to me given the recent hostile response from Rangers fans after the Cup Final Cant see the usual morons who choose to sit as near to us as they can changing thier behavior as they know they will get away with it
Certainly an issue that needs raised again if Leeanns discussions with them dont result in action being taken if we ae subjected to this nonsense next time

[Seveno]

In terms of what I bring to the role, I’m passionate about fan communication and have experience in my career and through volunteering in working across large numbers of stakeholders. I have a number of ideas I will commit to deliver which will improve two way communication, from providing minutes after board meetings to sharing my preparation ahead of meetings to allow fans to get a much wider appreciation of the discussions taking place. I'm also keen to reach out across as much of the fan base as I can, from making myself available on social media and in person to getting involved in online discussions like here.

Providing minutes after board meetings sounds rather naive. You just lost my vote.

[DaveF]

That's an interesting point, as there was a lot of heat (rightly or wrongly) directed towards Frank and Amit over the treatment of Hibs fans at Ibrox and silence which followed it. How would you be sure that you could do better should such an issue occur again?


As someone who has been hit with coins and had fluid thrown at them at Ibrox I think it's disgusting. How they get away with it is beyond me. Away fans are stuck in that corner like caged animals. That is my own personal opinion and just what I have witnessed as a supporter there.


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Thanks for the reply, but it didn't really answer my question :greengrin (which to be fair was aimed at Charlene initially as she said communication was her thing, hence why I asked what she would do that Frank and Amit didn't following the Ibrox affair)

[Allant1981]

Providing minutes after board meetings sounds rather naive. You just lost my vote.

she has proven that it happens at other clubs so not really naive

[CropleyWasGod]

she has proven that it happens at other clubs so not really naive
She has said that it does. However, she has not said how, or said how she will deal with the undoubted resistance of the rest of the Board.

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[C Feeney-Seale]

Hi Charlene.

Something came up on another thread which I thought should be raised here.

There are those on this board who have little time for Hibs Retro. I don't know if that's replicated elsewhere.

However, they seem to have endorsed your own candidacy. That's their right, of course.

Do you have any thoughts on how they operate, or indeed their support?

Thanks

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Hi CropleyWasGod,

Well, obviously I was happy to see their support. I think an important part of the role will be trying to reach out to as many section of the support as possible – that was why I started the account here and have made other accounts online as well.

Cheers,

Charlene


Bump

Have viewed the hustings and mind is pretty much made up about who to vote for but wondered if any candidates on here except Tracey had a view?

Sorry to have missed this question earlier Bostonhibby,

I think you’re right that the position isn’t straightforward – even trying to have a sole ‘voice of the fans’ on any one issue will be a challenge, and clearly being a member of a board comes with obligations and responsibilities.

However, at the end of the day the two reps who are chosen will be accountable to the fans in two years’ time – if we (should I be successful) or they not be perceived as doing a good enough job of championing the fans causes then.

I’m making myself as available as I can to fans, in person like at the hustings and before today’s game, and online through as many channels as possible. Should I be chosen as one of the representatives, then I can be held to account through these same channels.
In terms of how I’ll manage the inevitable conflicts, it’s difficult to give a specific answer as obviously it will depend on the circumstances. But, in general I’m clear that the role is to be a representative of the fans on the board – and it is on the first part that we are to be judged. So I’ll devote myself to making sure that fans views are heard, and that fans get feedback.

I’ve outlined a couple of specific actions I want to take should I be chosen – to publish minutes after board meetings and to share video/ social media debriefs, and especially the second will be a key way to keep fans up to date as to how I’m representing their views, and exactly what views those are.


Just bumping my own question for you Charlene - Or any other potential candidate - re the thorny issue of Ibrox and fan treatment.

Hi DaveF,

It’s a long-standing issue – my family and I have been spat at, had food thrown at us and of course the usual torrent of abuse. It’s clearly unacceptable, and it’s clearly worse than at other away games, so I think we definitely need to do something.

I understand that fan views were fed in to the board last year, and that there is a feeling that nothing has come from this yet. It’s hard to say what I’d do differently, not being privy to what exactly is or has been happening behind closed doors, but I think what will be key is that should nothing happen before the next game at Ibrox, we’ll need to ensure the issue is raised again. Given most fans have a smart phone at games, it shouldn’t be difficult to get some evidence as well which might make a second approach more effective.

Cheers,

Charlene


Providing minutes after board meetings sounds rather naive. You just lost my vote.


She has said that it does. However, she has not said how, or said how she will deal with the undoubted resistance of the rest of the Board.

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I don’t think the word naive is fair, as I already said and as Cropley mentions other clubs are already doing this.

Sure, any minutes aren’t going to be a blow by blow account of who said what, and there will be commercially sensitive issues which can’t be included. However, at present fans see nothing after these board meetings. When two members of the board are devoted to be fan representatives, this seems a little strange to me. I’ll definitely be pushing hard to address this.

Cheers,

Charlene

[CropleyWasGod]

Hi CropleyWasGod,

Well, obviously I was happy to see their support. I think an important part of the role will be trying to reach out to as many section of the support as possible – that was why I started the account here and have made other accounts online as well.

Cheers,

Charlene



Sorry to have missed this question earlier Bostonhibby,

I think you’re right that the position isn’t straightforward – even trying to have a sole ‘voice of the fans’ on any one issue will be a challenge, and clearly being a member of a board comes with obligations and responsibilities.

However, at the end of the day the two reps who are chosen will be accountable to the fans in two years’ time – if we (should I be successful) or they not be perceived as doing a good enough job of championing the fans causes then.

I’m making myself as available as I can to fans, in person like at the hustings and before today’s game, and online through as many channels as possible. Should I be chosen as one of the representatives, then I can be held to account through these same channels.
In terms of how I’ll manage the inevitable conflicts, it’s difficult to give a specific answer as obviously it will depend on the circumstances. But, in general I’m clear that the role is to be a representative of the fans on the board – and it is on the first part that we are to be judged. So I’ll devote myself to making sure that fans views are heard, and that fans get feedback.

I’ve outlined a couple of specific actions I want to take should I be chosen – to publish minutes after board meetings and to share video/ social media debriefs, and especially the second will be a key way to keep fans up to date as to how I’m representing their views, and exactly what views those are.



Hi DaveF,

It’s a long-standing issue – my family and I have been spat at, had food thrown at us and of course the usual torrent of abuse. It’s clearly unacceptable, and it’s clearly worse than at other away games, so I think we definitely need to do something.

I understand that fan views were fed in to the board last year, and that there is a feeling that nothing has come from this yet. It’s hard to say what I’d do differently, not being privy to what exactly is or has been happening behind closed doors, but I think what will be key is that should nothing happen before the next game at Ibrox, we’ll need to ensure the issue is raised again. Given most fans have a smart phone at games, it shouldn’t be difficult to get some evidence as well which might make a second approach more effective.

Cheers,

Charlene





I don’t think the word naive is fair, as I already said and as Cropley mentions other clubs are already doing this.

Sure, any minutes aren’t going to be a blow by blow account of who said what, and there will be commercially sensitive issues which can’t be included. However, at present fans see nothing after these board meetings. When two members of the board are devoted to be fan representatives, this seems a little strange to me. I’ll definitely be pushing hard to address this.

Cheers,

Charlene
Are you aware that they are a commercial concern? That they have scant regard for copyright laws, and arguably have taken money that should have been the club's?

To say that they are a fans' group is naive IMO.

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[andyf5]

Are you aware that they are a commercial concern? That they have scant regard for copyright laws, and arguably have taken money that should have been the club's?

To say that they are a fans' group is naive IMO.

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My impression is no matter what Charlene says you have it in for her. She's on here as is Amit and Tracey. As a fans rep she is doing a lot of communicating and will learn. There's a lot she has said that makes sense.

[DaveF]

My impression is no matter what Charlene says you have it in for her. She's on here as is Amit and Tracey. As a fans rep she is doing a lot of communicating and will learn. There's a lot she has said that makes sense.

Hang on, I actually think it's a very fair question and one I'm sure Charlene won't have any issue in answering.

If she is elected, any relationship or support garnered from a private enterprise, making money on the back of possible copyright infringement of Hibernian FC merchandise should be clarified. Don't you think so?

Maybe she is unaware and CWG is doing her a favour by bringing it to her attention.

[CropleyWasGod]

My impression is no matter what Charlene says you have it in for her. She's on here as is Amit and Tracey. As a fans rep she is doing a lot of communicating and will learn. There's a lot she has said that makes sense.

It's just not the case that I have it in for her.

I have no time for HR. That's been the case for a long time, and I've been consistent on here in that respect.

I've asked Charlene to clarify her relationship with them. Given what I've said about HR, her answer may affect my attitude (and that of others) to her candidacy.

I was similarly uneasy about Pat's candidacy because of their endorsement of him.



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[C Feeney-Seale]

Hang on, I actually think it's a very fair question and one I'm sure Charlene won't have any issue in answering.

If she is elected, any relationship or support garnered from a private enterprise, making money on the back of possible copyright infringement of Hibernian FC merchandise should be clarified. Don't you think so?

Maybe she is unaware and CWG is doing her a favour by bringing it to her attention.


Hi Dave,

More than happy to answer your questions, can I just check what it is that concerns you? You mention relationships, I can confirm I don't have any pre-existing relationships with fan groups, other than being signed up to HSL which I've mentioned previously.

I've been in touch with various groups since I was confirmed as a candidate, including Hibs Retro, and they kindly offered to endorse me.

I hope this answers your question.

Cheers,

Charlene

[3pm]

Hi Charlene.

Are you married?

Ta. :o)

[Peevemor]

It's just not the case that I have it in for her.

I have no time for HR. That's been the case for a long time, and I've been consistent on here in that respect.

I've asked Charlene to clarify her relationship with them. Given what I've said about HR, her answer may affect my attitude (and that of others) to her candidacy.

I was similarly uneasy about Pat's candidacy because of their endorsement of him.



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Ditto

[DaveF]

Hi Dave,

More than happy to answer your questions, can I just check what it is that concerns you? You mention relationships, I can confirm I don't have any pre-existing relationships with fan groups, other than being signed up to HSL which I've mentioned previously.

I've been in touch with various groups since I was confirmed as a candidate, including Hibs Retro, and they kindly offered to endorse me.

I hope this answers your question.

Cheers,

Charlene

It may be a concern (and one I think CWG was also trying to emphasise) that if you are elected to the board, would you have an association with a private business who have (certainly in the past, don't know about now) made money on Hibernian FC copyrighted merchandise - thereby possibly depriving the club of that income. If that's not a problem to you, then fair do's, but I think that is where CWG is coming from.

[CropleyWasGod]

It may be a concern (and one I think CWG was also trying to emphasise) that if you are elected to the board, would you have an association with a private business who have (certainly in the past, don't know about now) made money on Hibernian FC copyrighted merchandise - thereby possibly depriving the club of that income. If that's not a problem to you, then fair do's, but I think that is where CWG is coming from.
It is.

I think that part of the issue is...and Charlene, you perhaps missed my question on this ....you perhaps don't appreciate that HR are not a "fan's group" in the way most of us would define it. They are a commercial enterprise.



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[Itsnoteasy]

[QUOTE=CropleyWasGod;4933587]It is.

I think that part of the issue is...and Charlene, you perhaps missed my question on this ....you perhaps don't appreciate that HR are not a "fan's group" in the way most of us would define it. They are a commercial enterprise.



We might soon see signed photos of Charlene on HR if she wins

[C Feeney-Seale]

It is.

I think that part of the issue is...and Charlene, you perhaps missed my question on this ....you perhaps don't appreciate that HR are not a "fan's group" in the way most of us would define it. They are a commercial enterprise.



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I think I've clarified that I don't have an association, they just happen to have endorsed me.

I take your point that they may not be a typical fan groups, but as I see it the role of supporters rep will involve talking to as many groups as possible.

I think that shows that I will not be beholden to any one group, I've said from my first statement, online and in the hustings that I want to get as many views as possible into the boardroom, and increase the communication coming back to all fans (not just select groups).

Cheers,

Charlene

[C Feeney-Seale]

Hi Charlene.

Are you married?

Ta. :o)

Hi 3pm,

Yeah, I'm married - tonight's questions definitely seem to be relationship themed.

Charlene

[CropleyWasGod]

I think I've clarified that I don't have an association, they just happen to have endorsed me.

I take your point that they may not be a typical fan groups, but as I see it the role of supporters rep will involve talking to as many groups as possible.

I think that shows that I will not be beholden to any one group, I've said from my first statement, online and in the hustings that I want to get as many views as possible into the boardroom, and increase the communication coming back to all fans (not just select groups).

Cheers,

Charlene
Okay, I hear you.

It's clear that you don't understand that their way of operating deprives the Club of income. That's a view that's held on here, on the Bounce and, perhaps most importantly, within the Club itself.

Thanks for your time.

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[JohnM1875]

Okay, I hear you.

It's clear that you don't understand that their way of operating deprives the Club of income. That's a view that's held on here, on the Bounce and, perhaps most importantly, within the Club itself.

Thanks for your time.



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If that view is view is held within the club itself how come we're still involved with them?

Not doubting you in the slightest by the way but surely who we deal with is something completely in the clubs control?

[CropleyWasGod]

If that view is view is held within the club itself how come we're still involved with them?

Not doubting you in the slightest by the way but surely who we deal with is something completely in the clubs control?
Are we involved with them?

The last I heard, the Club were aware of their activities, and taking the appropriate action.

If that relationship has changed, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

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[sleeping giant]

I think I've clarified that I don't have an association, they just happen to have endorsed me.

I take your point that they may not be a typical fan groups, but as I see it the role of supporters rep will involve talking to as many groups as possible.

I think that shows that I will not be beholden to any one group, I've said from my first statement, online and in the hustings that I want to get as many views as possible into the boardroom, and increase the communication coming back to all fans (not just select groups).

Cheers,

Charlene

Hi Charlene,

You seem to be avoiding the question.
It surely deserves a proper answer.

I assume that you maybe just don't know anything about them but it might be worth looking at.

I don't know anything about them either btw but I can clearly understand CWGs question which you seem to be side stepping :-)

[C Feeney-Seale]

Hi Charlene,

You seem to be avoiding the question.
It surely deserves a proper answer.

I assume that you maybe just don't know anything about them but it might be worth looking at.

I don't know anything about them either btw but I can clearly understand CWGs question which you seem to be side stepping :-)

Hi Sleeping giant,

Sorry you feel I'm avoiding the question - it's tried to be very open here.

I've confirmed that I don't have an association with Retro Hibs, they got in touch after the candidates names were revealed and they kindly offered to endorse me.

As to the above posts about their activities, and what the club think of them, I can't say I know about either. They have around 16,500 followers of their FB page, so to me it seemed a great way to get some views of fans (along with other methods).

If you feel I'm dodging a question, would you care to ask one?

Charlene

[Bostonhibby]

If that view is view is held within the club itself how come we're still involved with them?

Not doubting you in the slightest by the way but surely who we deal with is something completely in the clubs control?

Genuinely interested in how much income Hibernian Football Club, or the holding company derive from Retro and also how Hibernian Football Club endorse, support or are involved, if anyone can point me in the right direction please - I personally haven't been able to trace a brass farthing in our annual statement or any other evidence of a recognised relationship.

[JohnM1875]

Genuinely interested in how much income Hibernian Football Club, or the holding company derive from Retro and also how Hibernian Football Club endorse, support or are involved, if anyone can point me in the right direction please - I personally haven't been able to trace a brass farthing in our annual statement or any other evidence of a recognised relationship.

Not going to lie, I misinterpreted CWG and thought he meant Hibs were somehow involved with Hibernian Retro. My bad!

I have no insight into any dealings . . . Or do I ;)

[CropleyWasGod]

Not going to lie, I misinterpreted CWG and thought he meant Hibs were somehow involved with Hibernian Retro. My bad!

I have no insight into any dealings . . . Or do I ;)
No worries.

If there is any involvement, it's probably through lawyers 😆😆😆

That's a joke, by the way, before the lawyers get on my ass. 😉

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[Bostonhibby]

Not going to lie, I misinterpreted CWG and thought he meant Hibs were somehow involved with Hibernian Retro. My bad!

I have no insight into any dealings . . . Or do I ;)

Nae problem :thumbsup:

Absolutely not how I read what you were posting at all, am one of the uninformed on this one as well, just trying to bottom this one out.

[sleeping giant]

Hi Sleeping giant,

Sorry you feel I'm avoiding the question - it's tried to be very open here.

I've confirmed that I don't have an association with Retro Hibs, they got in touch after the candidates names were revealed and they kindly offered to endorse me.

As to the above posts about their activities, and what the club think of them, I can't say I know about either. They have around 16,500 followers of their FB page, so to me it seemed a great way to get some views of fans (along with other methods).

If you feel I'm dodging a question, would you care to ask one?

Charlene

Hi Charlene ,

I don't have a particular question to ask but thanks for the offer.
I will however read the responses on this thread.

Thanks

[Bostonhibby]

Sorry to have missed this question earlier Bostonhibby,

I think you’re right that the position isn’t straightforward – even trying to have a sole ‘voice of the fans’ on any one issue will be a challenge, and clearly being a member of a board comes with obligations and responsibilities.

However, at the end of the day the two reps who are chosen will be accountable to the fans in two years’ time – if we (should I be successful) or they not be perceived as doing a good enough job of championing the fans causes then.

I’m making myself as available as I can to fans, in person like at the hustings and before today’s game, and online through as many channels as possible. Should I be chosen as one of the representatives, then I can be held to account through these same channels.
In terms of how I’ll manage the inevitable conflicts, it’s difficult to give a specific answer as obviously it will depend on the circumstances. But, in general I’m clear that the role is to be a representative of the fans on the board – and it is on the first part that we are to be judged. So I’ll devote myself to making sure that fans views are heard, and that fans get feedback.

I’ve outlined a couple of specific actions I want to take should I be chosen – to publish minutes after board meetings and to share video/ social media debriefs, and especially the second will be a key way to keep fans up to date as to how I’m representing their views, and exactly what views those are.



Reply below - ersed up posting on phone!

Cheers Charlene, thanks for being one of two who have responded. My personal view is that the position shouldn't be a directors one if it's to truly speak for the fans without fear, or any restrictions imposed by a boardroom situation.

That said I am not too interested in someone feeding back what any football club board want, or choose to pass "down" to fans. Equally we don't need a director or fans rep to do that, or to attend official events etc for this role either.

We have to work with what we have for the time being. In the long term I want to see a meaningful degree of board influence for fans to protect us from horrors like Mercer and his lenders tried to do to us and other deals that are not in the football clubs interest. A seat on the board with a meaningful block of shares behind it gets us there in my view.

In the meantime my ideal fix would be a fans rep who, when push came to shove over sensitive / controversial issues would not have to consider any board obligations, protocols or liability and simply let the fans know what is happening so they can make informed decisions proportionate to the issue. That type of candidate is who I will vote for this time around

Any how, back to the football............. Glory, Glory to the Hibees. :flag:

[Leith Mo]

Hi Sleeping giant,

Sorry you feel I'm avoiding the question - it's tried to be very open here.

I've confirmed that I don't have an association with Retro Hibs, they got in touch after the candidates names were revealed and they kindly offered to endorse me.

As to the above posts about their activities, and what the club think of them, I can't say I know about either. They have around 16,500 followers of their FB page, so to me it seemed a great way to get some views of fans (along with other methods).

If you feel I'm dodging a question, would you care to ask one?

Charlene
Charlene at best you are being disingenuous but you are avoiding the question which (I really do think you understand but yes are evading) is effectively: "What is your view on organisations which (allegedly) deprive the Club of income from copyrighted material, and, given the Club have taken active steps to discourage this to protect potential revenue returning to the Club directly as a consequence of our intellectual property rights how you deal with such groups if elected?" Seems a pertinent and important question not to be avoided. Thanks

[JohnM1875]

Given that HR products seem to popular and go down well with fans. And the majority of fans seem to have issues with the products available with our club store surely the best option would be to get both parties together and come to an arrangement? Or is that option not viable with the current deal with Nike?

[CropleyWasGod]

Given that HR products seem to popular and go down well with fans. And the majority of fans seem to have issues with the products available with our club store surely the best option would be to get both parties together and come to an arrangement? Or is that option not viable with the current deal with Nike?
Are they that popular?

AFAIK, they don't publish accounts, so I don't know the answer to that.

However, where copyright is involved, you can understand why the Club might be interested. I should also add that it's possible that the copyrights of the SFA, the Scotsman and the Sunday Post might also be infringed. Questions have been put to HR about that, with no response.

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[KazHibby]

Charlene at best you are being disingenuous but you are avoiding the question which (I really do think you understand but yes are evading) is effectively: "What is your view on organisations which (allegedly) deprive the Club of income from copyrighted material, and, given the Club have taken active steps to discourage this to protect potential revenue returning to the Club directly as a consequence of our intellectual property rights how you deal with such groups if elected?" Seems a pertinent and important question not to be avoided. Thanks

I think you r using a sledgehammer to get a point across. Once Hibs merchandise is available in more than one outlet and can be sourced by for example people who visit for 3 or 4 days for a game then fine. At the mom3nt I can assure u I have returned with no hibs merchandise other than pirated due to the club shops and clubs policies. You can get what u want good try living in Asia and visit for 3 or 4 days and then give me your opinion.

No I don't have a ticket for Tyne butv63s I have 3 STS and TV sub!

[JohnM1875]

Are they that popular?

AFAIK, they don't publish accounts, so I don't know the answer to that.

However, where copyright is involved, you can understand why the Club might be interested. I should also add that it's possible that the copyrights of the SFA, the Scotsman and the Sunday Post might also be infringed. Questions have been put to HR about that, with no response.

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The radio silence from HR doesn't bode well that's for sure.

You'd like to think the people running it are Hibs fans as opposed to opportunists though. In which case. Surely the best option would still be getting both parites together and having a discussion to see if a deal can be reached that suits primarily the club first and foremost.

Though that doesn't resolve the SFA, Scotsman and Sunday Post issues.

[northstandhibby]

Charlene at best you are being disingenuous but you are avoiding the question which (I really do think you understand but yes are evading) is effectively: "What is your view on organisations which (allegedly) deprive the Club of income from copyrighted material, and, given the Club have taken active steps to discourage this to protect potential revenue returning to the Club directly as a consequence of our intellectual property rights how you deal with such groups if elected?" Seems a pertinent and important question not to be avoided. Thanks

To be fair to Charlene she probably had no idea of the subject matter you refer to when they endorsed her. She seems like a person who would have taken their endorsement at face value without realising folk on here had issues with HR.

Also as for the board minutes matter I think she is just being as helpful and communicative as she can be. I think she was referring to being as open as she would be able to if elected and speak of what is going on at board level in a way everyone will be able to understand.

glory glory

[truehibernian]

It is.

I think that part of the issue is...and Charlene, you perhaps missed my question on this ....you perhaps don't appreciate that HR are not a "fan's group" in the way most of us would define it. They are a commercial enterprise.



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Off topic but was wondering Crops, when you mentioned copyright law, etc - after watching T2 Trainspotting, do Hibs get money from use of clips, images shown, etc ? And in things like Rebus tv shows. Or do producers simply require permission to use only ?

Just curious - total thread hijack but you're a sage on most things so thought I'd ask 😊.

[CropleyWasGod]

Off topic but was wondering Crops, when you mentioned copyright law, etc - after watching T2 Trainspotting, do Hibs get money from use of clips, images shown, etc ? And in things like Rebus tv shows. Or do producers simply require permission to use only ?

Just curious - total thread hijack but you're a sage on most things so thought I'd ask 😊.
I ain't a lawyer...sadly. Intellectual property lawyers are.minted, and I wouldn't be hanging around here looking for loose change and fag-ends if I were.

To answer your question, it's probably a mix of both, depending on the particular situation. MarathonBet, for example, would be grateful for the enormous free advert. Nike? Thieving *******s so maybe less so.

The Club ? Probably happy with a polite request, which brings us full circle to the point at hand.

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[Leith Mo]

I think you r using a sledgehammer to get a point across. Once Hibs merchandise is available in more than one outlet and can be sourced by for example people who visit for 3 or 4 days for a game then fine. At the mom3nt I can assure u I have returned with no hibs merchandise other than pirated due to the club shops and clubs policies. You can get what u want good try living in Asia and visit for 3 or 4 days and then give me your opinion.

No I don't have a ticket for Tyne butv63s I have 3 STS and TV sub!

Kaz, I agree re the "official" merchandise on offer and your implication of a failure of Club "policy" in that regard. Having lived overseas and in London for a large part of my life I can sympathise with the short term frustration it can cause re trying to obtain goods to leave Leith with when home on a few days visit. However this is something a prospective candidate should propose a solution to, rather than avoid an answer re unlicensed products (with subsequent loss of revenue to our Club).
By the way, I've never used a sledgehammer or any other weapon in my life to gain an answer to a question (verbally, written or otherwise) but (I suspect) always defend my friends as you are doing here? (Apologies if that bit is incorrect). Didn't get the last bit of your message - predictive text/
phone probably.
Bottom line is we need to support whoever is elected & if that were the case Charlene would have my support in dealing with issues including that raised in the original (yet to be fully answered IMO) question.

[truehibernian]

I ain't a lawyer...sadly. Intellectual property lawyers are.minted, and I wouldn't be hanging around here looking for loose change and fag-ends if I were.

To answer your question, it's probably a mix of both, depending on the particular situation. MarathonBet, for example, would be grateful for the enormous free advert. Nike? Thieving *******s so maybe less so.

The Club ? Probably happy with a polite request, which brings us full circle to the point at hand.

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Thanks for reply bud - and yes, funnily enough I turned to the missus when the Hibs strip was draped over a chair in a scene and wondered exactly that - I'm sure Tom Zinelli and MarathonBet are delighted 😀

[blackpoolhibs]

This board has had many many links to sites that have sold all sorts of cup winning paraphernalia since May, does this board support that, of course not but it's turned a blind eye because the club have been completely useless regarding it.

I have seen the odd thing that retro have been selling, and as yet have not bought anything but i have off other sites.

I'm not the only one either.

[marinello59]

This board has had many many links to sites that have sold all sorts of cup winning paraphernalia since May, does this board support that, of course not but it's turned a blind eye because the club have been completely useless regarding it.

I have seen the odd thing that retro have been selling, and as yet have not bought anything but i have off other sites.

I'm not the only one either.

I guess it's not an issue until you stand for Fans Rep. Next time? :greengrin

[BoomtownHibees]

Currently got a Q&A with HR on Facebook

[blackpoolhibs]

I guess it's not an issue until you stand for Fans Rep. Next time? :greengrin

Haha, I'd rather watch herts win the league 😂

[3pm]

Haha, I'd rather watch herts win the league 😂

Steady.

[Ronniekirk]

With Pat having withdrawn under the suspicion he was being put up to front the poston behalf of others ? being one of the issues for him to deal woth . My question is should potential fan reps just have to distance themselves from being endrsed by any group ?
Are any of the other Candidates endorsed for eg as Charllene is at leat being ooen about this issue

[traceyhibs]

With Pat having withdrawn under the suspicion he was being put up to front the poston behalf of others ? being one of the issues for him to deal woth . My question is should potential fan reps just have to distance themselves from being endrsed by any group ?
Are any of the other Candidates endorsed for eg as Charllene is at leat being ooen about this issue

Hi there,

Hibs Fans News (FB Group) have endorsed me or at least the admins have. I used to be an admin on the page and the other admins have become very good friends. I played a part in the growth of the group and some of them attend the Working Together meetings also. They all have different opinions on their second vote.

Thanks

Tracey


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[marinello59]

Haha, I'd rather watch herts win the league 😂:greengrin

You are being too modest. I'll set up a crowdfunding appeal for your campaign expenses. :greengrin

[marinello59]

With Pat having withdrawn under the suspicion he was being put up to front the poston behalf of others ? being one of the issues for him to deal woth . My question is should potential fan reps just have to distance themselves from being endrsed by any group ?
Are any of the other Candidates endorsed for eg as Charllene is at leat being ooen about this issue

I can't see any problem with any fans group endorsing any candidate, it's totally up to them. It is an election after all.

[J-C]

Hi there,

Hibs Fans News (FB Group) have endorsed me or at least the admins have. I used to be an admin on the page and the other admins have become very good friends. I played a part in the growth of the group and some of them attend the Working Together meetings also. They all have different opinions on their second vote.

Thanks

Tracey


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I think being endorsed by an actual Hibs fans FB page is something not to worry about Tracy, you and the other guys on the page have the same ideologies, wanting whats best for Hibs and the supporters. There's a big difference from being endorsed by a few friends and actually being backed by a 3rd party.

[Pretty Boy]

I can't see any problem with any fans group endorsing any candidate, it's totally up to them. It is an election after all.

Can we endorse Blackpool next time around then?

[blackpoolhibs]

Can we endorse Blackpool next time around then?


Will you bloody stop it. :greengrin On another point, i think rightly or wrongly some of these websites especially the facebook ones, a lot look down their noses at these sites, it looks like a wee bit of snobbery to me.

Web sites like this were the first where everyone could interact with each other, and facebook, twitter and the likes are the new Hibs.net/Bounce/Realhibs.net.:wink:

Yet i'd bet there are a lot of the same folk who are members of them all. :greengrin

All new types of social media needs embraced in my opinion, not just the ones we grew up with. :greengrin

[marinello59]

Can we endorse Blackpool next time around then?

Of course.
Let's make Hibs great again. :thumbsup:

[blackpoolhibs]

Of course.
Let's make Hibs great again. :thumbsup:

I can spot a player. :wink:





























Sometimes.:greengrin

[marinello59]

Hi there,

Hibs Fans News (FB Group) have endorsed me or at least the admins have. I used to be an admin on the page and the other admins have become very good friends. I played a part in the growth of the group and some of them attend the Working Together meetings also. They all have different opinions on their second vote.

Thanks

Tracey


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If they had endorsed anybody else I would imagine the next time you saw them would be awkward. :greengrin
FWIW I don't see any need for you to explain yourself on that front.

[marinello59]

Will you bloody stop it. :greengrin On another point, i think rightly or wrongly some of these websites especially the facebook ones, a lot look down their noses at these sites, it looks like a wee bit of snobbery to me.

Web sites like this were the first where everyone could interact with each other, and facebook, twitter and the likes are the new Hibs.net/Bounce/Realhibs.net.:wink:

Yet i'd bet there are a lot of the same folk who are members of them all. :greengrin

All new types of social media needs embraced in my opinion, not just the ones we grew up with. :greengrin

I'd have to agree. I'm a member of a few, it's a great way to get another Hibs fix.

[marinello59]

I can spot a player. :wink:





























Sometimes.:greengrin
:greengrin

[Mikey]

I've confirmed that I don't have an association with Retro Hibs, they got in touch after the candidates names were revealed and they kindly offered to endorse me.



Therein lies your biggest problem. You'd be better off having Trump rooting for you :greengrin

If you end up in the boardroom he'll be looking for favours in return. Statue, live match coverage, merchandise, you name it.

[oldbutdim]

Therein lies your biggest problem. You'd be better off having Trump rooting for you :greengrin

If you end up in the boardroom he'll be looking for favours in return. Statue, live match coverage, merchandise, you name it.

I had a wee s****** at the "kindly offered" bit too.

[jeffers]

I'm maybe being thick here but what is the effect of Retro Hibs endorsing Charlene ? What benefit is she getting from it ?

And just read that blackpoolhibs is running next time, he's got my vote :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm maybe being thick here but what is the effect of Retro Hibs endorsing Charlene ? What benefit is she getting from it ?

And just read that blackpoolhibs is running next time, he's got my vote :wink:

Apart from cheap tat? :greengrin

I am guessing that there is an implication that, if HR endorse one candidate, their "followers" are more likely to vote for that candidate. There are other potential negative effects, though:-

1. whether anything is expected in return for that endorsement.

2. whether that endorsement might result in potential support being lost.

There's also the question of how many of those followers are actually eligible to vote.


One thing which I'm not clear on. I know that Twitter followers can be bought, and that's used as a marketing tool. Can the same be done with FB followers?

[Forza Fred]

I can't be bought, but if any of the candidates wish to hire' me for the period it takes to vote, I am open to offers.......

[Saturday Boy]

I can't be bought, but if any of the candidates wish to hire' me for the period it takes to vote, I am open to offers.......

I'm just waiting for the super rich Chinese clubs to recruit fans, then I'd reconsider my previous incorruptible life 😉

[jeffers]

Apart from cheap tat? :greengrin

I am guessing that there is an implication that, if HR endorse one candidate, their "followers" are more likely to vote for that candidate. There are other potential negative effects, though:-

1. whether anything is expected in return for that endorsement.

2. whether that endorsement might result in potential support being lost.

There's also the question of how many of those followers are actually eligible to vote.


One thing which I'm not clear on. I know that Twitter followers can be bought, and that's used as a marketing tool. Can the same be done with FB followers?

Cheers CWG, I was definitely being a bit thick. The way they were being referred to on here I thought Retro Hibs was some kind of Hibs merchandising company that I'd never heard of, but I take it we are referring to Hibernian Retro, who have the FB page ? Is that the same group Brad Welsh is/was associated to ?

And I suppose your point 1 is for Charlene herself to answer.

[CropleyWasGod]

Cheers CWG, I was definitely being a bit thick. The way they were being referred to on here I thought Retro Hibs was some kind of Hibs merchandising company that I'd never heard of, but I take it we are referring to Hibernian Retro, who have the FB page ? Is that the same group Brad Welsh is/was associated to ?

And I suppose your point 1 is for Charlene herself to answer.


Yeah, HR is Hibernian Retro. I don't know who runs it.

The questions weren't aimed at Charlene for answering. They were examples of the type of questions anybody being endorsed in any type of election would be best-advised to consider.

[jeffers]

Yeah, HR is Hibernian Retro. I don't know who runs it.

The questions weren't aimed at Charlene for answering. They were examples of the type of questions anybody being endorsed in any type of election would be best-advised to consider.

Cheers, I suppose I meant to say I'd like Charlene to answer it.

[C Feeney-Seale]

Apart from cheap tat? :greengrin

I am guessing that there is an implication that, if HR endorse one candidate, their "followers" are more likely to vote for that candidate. There are other potential negative effects, though:-

1. whether anything is expected in return for that endorsement.

2. whether that endorsement might result in potential support being lost.

There's also the question of how many of those followers are actually eligible to vote.


One thing which I'm not clear on. I know that Twitter followers can be bought, and that's used as a marketing tool. Can the same be done with FB followers?

Hi CWG,

On the first point, no I haven't offered anything to secure endorsements, other that what I'm offering all fams through the pledges I've made on my approach to the role in my statement on the club website, at the hustings, online and in conversation.

Clearly there are some of this forum who view Hibs Retro negatively, but from the PoV of a prospective fans rep whose key campaign pledge has been to make every effort to engage with as wide a selection of the Hibs support as possible, being able to take part in a Q and A on a Facebook page with 16,500 followers is no bad thing.

I'm not the 'Hibs Retro candidate', just as I'm not the 'Hibs News 1875 candidate' (a twitter handle that has also offered to endorse me).

Cheers,

Charlene

[CropleyWasGod]

Hi CWG,

On the first point, no I haven't offered anything to secure endorsements, other that what I'm offering all fams through the pledges I've made on my approach to the role in my statement on the club website, at the hustings, online and in conversation.

Clearly there are some of this forum who view Hibs Retro negatively, but from the PoV of a prospective fans rep whose key campaign pledge has been to make every effort to engage with as wide a selection of the Hibs support as possible, being able to take part in a Q and A on a Facebook page with 16,500 followers is no bad thing.

I'm not the 'Hibs Retro candidate', just as I'm not the 'Hibs News 1875 candidate' (a twitter handle that has also offered to endorse me).

Cheers,

Charlene
Hi.

The questions weren't specifically aimed at you, they were in response to a previous poster's comments.

However, thanks for answering one of them.

You seem to be avoiding the fact that has been raised a few times, and that's exactly what HR are. Perhaps you didn't know before you accepted their (actually, HIS) endorsement, but a bit of research on here and the Bounce would have given you a few pointers. That, in turn, should have led you to ascertain what the Club's attitude is. (As an aside, what makes you think that lawyers aren't involved? Edit; I see you've removed that bit from your post. )

I also raised the question of the 16k followers earlier. This is not specifically aimed at you, rather anyone who knows about stuff like this. Is it possible, as with Twitter, to buy followers?

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[Allant1981]

Hi.

The questions weren't specifically aimed at you, they were in response to a previous poster's comments.

However, thanks for answering one of them.

You seem to be avoiding the fact that has been raised a few times, and that's exactly what HR are. Perhaps you didn't know before you accepted their (actually, HIS) endorsement, but a bit of research on here and the Bounce would have given you a few pointers. That, in turn, should have led you to ascertain what the Club's attitude is. (As an aside, what makes you think that lawyers aren't involved? )

I also raised the question of the 16k followers earlier. This is not specifically aimed at you, rather anyone who knows about stuff like this. Is it possible, as with Twitter, to buy followers?

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pretty sure you can buy followers on facebook as well as twitter

[Itsnoteasy]

pretty sure you can buy followers on facebook as well as twitter

It isn't possible to buy votes. Only fans with a client reference number can vote. So no MI5,KGB or CIA interference in this election.

[CropleyWasGod]

It isn't possible to buy votes. Only fans with a client reference number can vote. So no MI5,KGB or CIA interference in this election.

Man, you're so naive.

Have you not seen the rise in new applications for season tickets from the Lokomotiv Moscow Garry O'Connor #1 Branch?

I have it on good authority that at least one candidate was PUT-IN by them.

[northstandhibby]

Man, you're so naive.

Have you not seen the rise in new applications for season tickets from the Lokomotiv Moscow Garry O'Connor #1 Branch?

I have it on good authority that at least one candidate was PUT-IN by them.

Hope to goodness it's not mad Vlad Romanov using the them as a front. I know he was obsessed with us but he can get lost.

glory glory

[Allant1981]

It isn't possible to buy votes. Only fans with a client reference number can vote. So no MI5,KGB or CIA interference in this election.

i didnt say you could, i was answering a question

[StevieCowan]

Therein lies your biggest problem. You'd be better off having Trump rooting for you :greengrin

If you end up in the boardroom he'll be looking for favours in return. Statue, live match coverage, merchandise, you name it.

I think your being a little unfair on Charlene by making a connection between HR endorsing her and she being not strong enough to have the moral compass to tell anyone looking for favours to bolt!

[hibs0666]

Hi CWG,

On the first point, no I haven't offered anything to secure endorsements, other that what I'm offering all fams through the pledges I've made on my approach to the role in my statement on the club website, at the hustings, online and in conversation.

Clearly there are some of this forum who view Hibs Retro negatively, but from the PoV of a prospective fans rep whose key campaign pledge has been to make every effort to engage with as wide a selection of the Hibs support as possible, being able to take part in a Q and A on a Facebook page with 16,500 followers is no bad thing.

I'm not the 'Hibs Retro candidate', just as I'm not the 'Hibs News 1875 candidate' (a twitter handle that has also offered to endorse me).

Cheers,

Charlene

You're quite right. Unless I've missed something I've never heard the club ever mention Hibs Retro never mind ban it. TBH i find it a bit strange that you are being pulled up for engaging on that site. Clearly there are agendas at play that are a bit too subtle for me to comprehend.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Can we endorse Blackpool next time around then?

I don't think he has the patience to wait until then. ;-)

[Itsnoteasy]

i didnt say you could, i was answering a question

Apologies

[Itsnoteasy]

Man, you're so naive.

Have you not seen the rise in new applications for season tickets from the Lokomotiv Moscow Garry O'Connor #1 Branch?

I have it on good authority that at least one candidate was PUT-IN by them.

😀

[Eyrie]

I don't think he has the patience to wait until then. ;-)

Pity there's no option to write in a candidate.

[DaveF]

You're quite right. Unless I've missed something I've never heard the club ever mention Hibs Retro never mind ban it. TBH i find it a bit strange that you are being pulled up for engaging on that site. Clearly there are agendas at play that are a bit too subtle for me to comprehend.

Would the club tell you or make something like that public?

No agenda involved as far as I can see, merely people putting up warnings of being involved or associated with a venture which has made money from a rather lax attitude to Hibernian FC copyright. Something a potential director would want to be aware of, surely?

[Since90+2]

Have to agree I dont really see the issue either of Charlene simply doing a Q&A with a site that appears to have 16,000 followers.

The role she is applying for involves engaging with the support and it appears , to me atleast , all she has done is do exactly that on a site that has a big reach.

[GreenArmyyy!]

I don't mean to cause any disrespect to Charlene but the only reason I've not seriously considered voting for her is due to her living in London.

I was nominated at the beginning of this process and took time to consider my options whilst being in contact with the club about what the role would entail. Being a banker in Edinburgh working 9-5 Monday to Friday I came to the conclusion that at this moment in my career I couldn't come the time and commitment needed to carry out the role to the highest possible standards. I know Charlene has said several times she would be at games home and away whilst attending board meetings and club events but I just don't see how that can be feasible with such commitments. How can you live in London work in different parts of the country whilst committing to not only attending games every Saturday but attending club events in the evenings and board meetings which are generally during the day midweek?

Visibility and accountability are key for me in deciding which candidates to support and I feel to do that you need to be local. As I've said I truly mean no disrespect to Charlene as she seems like a lovely woman, just my own take on things.

[C Feeney-Seale]

I don't mean to cause any disrespect to Charlene but the only reason I've not seriously considered voting for her is due to her living in London.

I was nominated at the beginning of this process and took time to consider my options whilst being in contact with the club about what the role would entail. Being a banker in Edinburgh working 9-5 Monday to Friday I came to the conclusion that at this moment in my career I couldn't come the time and commitment needed to carry out the role to the highest possible standards. I know Charlene has said several times she would be at games home and away whilst attending board meetings and club events but I just don't see how that can be feasible with such commitments. How can you live in London work in different parts of the country whilst committing to not only attending games every Saturday but attending club events in the evenings and board meetings which are generally during the day midweek?

Visibility and accountability are key for me in deciding which candidates to support and I feel to do that you need to be local. As I've said I truly mean no disrespect to Charlene as she seems like a lovely woman, just my own take on things.

Hi GreenArmyyy,

I see you've posted this twice, but I'll just reply here.

There have been a few questions about me living in London, but I am certain I can commit 100% to the role for a few reasons.

I do work full time (as do most of the candidates), but over the years I have juggled this with a lot of time consuming activities: I set up the West of Edinburgh Marie Curie fundraising group and led its first year as chairwoman, last year I completed a part time qualification in personal training, and I've trained for and completed a number of marathons. I like to keep busy!

I've studied in Aberdeen and Germany as well as working in London, but have kept up my Hibs season ticket throughout this time. I'm more than used to travelling to see the club, and should I be selected as a fan rep this would be my priority.

From a practical point of view, I already work remotely from Edinburgh on occasion and also work flexibly - so I know I can commit to attend every board meeting and event, irrespective of it being mid week.

Finally, I wouldn't have put myself forward for this if I didn't think I could bring something to the role. I really believe I've set out some positive steps we can take to improve communication between the fans and the board, and I'm confident I have the drive, energy and time to make this happen, should I be selected.

Cheers,

Charlene

[blackpoolhibs]

The Americans talk to the Russians, the rest of the world talk to some of the worst tin pot countries who have some of the worst human rights issues going.

Dialogue does not mean you agree with that person, but talking can make changes.

Charlene and Tracey are the only ones out of the new candidates who have tried to reach out to everyone, that's why they both got my vote.

[Itsnoteasy]

The Americans talk to the Russians, the rest of the world talk to some of the worst tin pot countries who have some of the worst human rights issues going.

Dialogue does not mean you agree with that person, but talking can make changes.

Charlene and Tracey are the only ones out of the new candidates who have tried to reach out to everyone, that's why they both got my vote.

Your doing a fair bit yourself. You get my vote in 2019👍

[woodythehibee]

Hi GreenArmyyy,

I see you've posted this twice, but I'll just reply here.

There have been a few questions about me living in London, but I am certain I can commit 100% to the role for a few reasons.

I do work full time (as do most of the candidates), but over the years I have juggled this with a lot of time consuming activities: I set up the West of Edinburgh Marie Curie fundraising group and led its first year as chairwoman, last year I completed a part time qualification in personal training, and I've trained for and completed a number of marathons. I like to keep busy!

I've studied in Aberdeen and Germany as well as working in London, but have kept up my Hibs season ticket throughout this time. I'm more than used to travelling to see the club, and should I be selected as a fan rep this would be my priority.

From a practical point of view, I already work remotely from Edinburgh on occasion and also work flexibly - so I know I can commit to attend every board meeting and event, irrespective of it being mid week.

Finally, I wouldn't have put myself forward for this if I didn't think I could bring something to the role. I really believe I've set out some positive steps we can take to improve communication between the fans and the board, and I'm confident I have the drive, energy and time to make this happen, should I be selected.

Cheers,

Charlene
How many games (home and away) have you attended this season?

[SON OF PADDY]

How many games (home and away) have you attended this season?




Is that you Pat ? 😋

[woodythehibee]

Is that you Pat ? 😋
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[jeffers]

The Americans talk to the Russians, the rest of the world talk to some of the worst tin pot countries who have some of the worst human rights issues going.

Dialogue does not mean you agree with that person, but talking can make changes.

Charlene and Tracey are the only ones out of the new candidates who have tried to reach out to everyone, that's why they both got my vote.

I'm with you there bh, but of course one of them will only be keeping the boardroom seat warm for when you stand next time :wink:

The ladies are getting my vote, good luck to you both.

[Leith Mo]

I think the issue for me (unless I've missed it) is Charlene hasn't properly addressed the issue of potential conflict between Hibs Retro and the Club over commercial issues. It's fair enough to say "I'm not an insider so haven't seen any legal/contractual info on this" but the least I would expect from a prospective director is an outright condemnation of any activities which could (allegedly) deprive the Club of income. That hasn't been forthcoming despite many requests/promptings so unfortunately she has lost my vote as a result.
Amit and Tracey for me though as I've said throughout whoever is elected I wish all the best as it will be a tough job - Amit for continuity; Tracey for a fresh local committed perspective. (Yes I'm also not sure regardless of technology and from my own personal experience of living/working in London and Europe and the difficulties/commitment that entails in more things than attending games/meetings/events here that Charlene will genuinely be able to do the role justice from a London base).

[Forza Fred]

Just as a matter of interest..given that the fact that Charlene living mostly in London has been quoted as an 'issue'.......where exactly are all the current board domiciled.......and where is the 'border' where it DOESN'T become an issue?

Gullane?

Fife?

Berwick?

Dundee?

Where?

Not trying to be a smart arse, but Londoni is only about an hour's flight away from Edinburgh, not exactly a 3 day journey by dog sled, and modern day communications are a bit more effective than carrier pigeon!

[bigwheel]

Just as a matter of interest..given that the fact that Charlene living mostly in London has been quoted as an 'issue'.......where exactly are all the current board domiciled.......and where is the 'border' where it DOESN'T become an issue?

Gullane?

Fife?

Berwick?

Dundee?

Where?

Not trying to be a smart arse, but Londoni is only about an hour's flight away from Edinburgh, not exactly a 3 day journey by dog sled, and modern day communications are a bit more effective than carrier pigeon!

For me , it's the ability to a) be present at games home and away and b) be able to handle the ad hoc nature of the duties

The regular meetings will be no issue - but the role does say it needs to attend evening board meetings for when issue arise , and I'd also like the Rep to be able to go and attend or meet on topics during the week, where necessary - I feel a London location makes that more difficult .

If any individual in this role is not able to engage in key topics face to face during the week when required , it's far from perfect ...London location makes that more difficult

[Leith Mo]

Just as a matter of interest..given that the fact that Charlene living mostly in London has been quoted as an 'issue'.......where exactly are all the current board domiciled.......and where is the 'border' where it DOESN'T become an issue?

Gullane?

Fife?

Berwick?

Dundee?

Where?

Not trying to be a smart arse, but Londoni is only about an hour's flight away from Edinburgh, not exactly a 3 day journey by dog sled, and modern day communications are a bit more effective than carrier pigeon!

Many of the current Board do not live in Edinburgh but are a driveable commute away. Living in London (as I did for 18 years until fairly recently) is actually more demanding from a travel point of view than people realise as the infrastructure is creaking with the added issues of strikes etc thrown in. Getting to the airports and check-in adds considerably more than an hour to the journey. Getting to Kings X still means a 4hr 15min journey on a train that is often delayed. Add to that the demands of working there (my experience is far more onerous than working here - purely a personal opinion/experience - & I think people might miss the fact that "commuting" from London to Edinburgh for "work" is vastly different from travelling from Glasgow/East Lothian/Dundee or even Newcastle.

[tamig]

For me , it's the ability to a) be present at games home and away and b) be able to handle the ad hoc nature of the duties

The regular meetings will be no issue - but the role does say it needs to attend evening board meetings for when issue arise , and I'd also like the Rep to be able to go and attend or meet on topics during the week, where necessary - I feel a London location makes that more difficult .

If any individual in this role is not able to engage in key topics face to face during the week when required , it's far from perfect ...London location makes that more difficult
Can I just ask why you feel it's important for a rep to attend games home and away? This seems to be a key requirement for a few folk - or has been positioned in that way. I personally don't think it's key at all. Otherwise just give the gig to Hermit.

[bigwheel]

Can I just ask why you feel it's important for a rep to attend games home and away? This seems to be a key requirement for a few folk - or has been positioned in that way. I personally don't think it's key at all. Otherwise just give the gig to Hermit.


it's in the role definition - "represent the club at games home and away"...


also, I don't believe you can fully represent the fans, if you don't live in their shoes e.g. experience the world of a football fan regularly.

[tamig]

Many of the current Board do not live in Edinburgh but are a driveable commute away. Living in London (as I did for 18 years until fairly recently) is actually more demanding from a travel point of view than people realise as the infrastructure is creaking with the added issues of strikes etc thrown in. Getting to the airports and check-in adds considerably more than an hour to the journey. Getting to Kings X still means a 4hr 15min journey on a train that is often delayed. Add to that the demands of working there (my experience is far more onerous than working here - purely a personal opinion/experience - & I think people might miss the fact that "commuting" from London to Edinburgh for "work" is vastly different from travelling from Glasgow/East Lothian/Dundee or even Newcastle.
Indeed. I commuted weekly for three years and my record time from Holborn to Leith was just over 3 hours door to door when I had to return for a family emergency. Don't think it could be done much quicker than that.

[tamig]

it's in the role definition - "represent the club at games home and away"...


also, I don't believe you can fully represent the fans, if you don't live in their shoes e.g. experience the world of a football fan regularly.

I still don't think that has to be 100% attendance though. Others may disagree.

[bigwheel]

I still don't think that has to be 100% attendance though. Others may disagree.


i think that's fair...doesn't have to be 100%...but I'd expect it to be a pretty high percentage.

Anyway, that's not where my reservations over this candidate are...the location and the ability to perform the role..Also, tbh being a project manager for 5 or so years and attending project boards is quite a distance away from the skills and experience required for sitting on the board of a limited company and representing the voice of the fans..so I have other reservations too.

[BoomtownHibees]

Do the candidates still have to commit to attend a board meeting every Monday?

I'm sure that was stipulated the last time.

[C Feeney-Seale]

Do the candidates still have to commit to attend a board meeting every Monday?

I'm sure that was stipulated the last time.

Hi Boomtownhibeys,

The job spec said that a candidate should be able to attend the majority of board meetings (as well as being able to attend home and away games). I've personally committed to attend all board meetings though.

However, the meetings aren't every Monday - they are once per month during the week (so could be other days than Monday).

Cheers,

Charlene

[Hermit Crab]

Can I just ask why you feel it's important for a rep to attend games home and away? This seems to be a key requirement for a few folk - or has been positioned in that way. I personally don't think it's key at all. Otherwise just give the gig to Hermit.

Baldy Foghorn is the man who should be standing. I wouldn't thank you for it. Thankless job, a bit like being a union rep in the workplace.

[BoomtownHibees]

Hi Boomtownhibeys,

The job spec said that a candidate should be able to attend the majority of board meetings (as well as being able to attend home and away games). I've personally committed to attend all board meetings though.

However, the meetings aren't every Monday - they are once per month during the week (so could be other days than Monday).

Cheers,

Charlene

Thanks

[hibs0666]

I think the issue for me (unless I've missed it) is Charlene hasn't properly addressed the issue of potential conflict between Hibs Retro and the Club over commercial issues. It's fair enough to say "I'm not an insider so haven't seen any legal/contractual info on this" but the least I would expect from a prospective director is an outright condemnation of any activities which could (allegedly) deprive the Club of income. That hasn't been forthcoming despite many requests/promptings so unfortunately she has lost my vote as a result.
Amit and Tracey for me though as I've said throughout whoever is elected I wish all the best as it will be a tough job - Amit for continuity; Tracey for a fresh local committed perspective. (Yes I'm also not sure regardless of technology and from my own personal experience of living/working in London and Europe and the difficulties/commitment that entails in more things than attending games/meetings/events here that Charlene will genuinely be able to do the role justice from a London base).

Can you point out where the club has stated that the site you mention represents a commercial conflict of interest with the club?

[Leith Mo]

Can you point out where the club has stated that the site you mention represents a commercial conflict of interest with the club?

I should think it glaringly obvious that the use of Club copyright material without permission (allegedly) represents a conflict of commercial interest with the existing Hibs merchandising and Shop deals and it is my (& other people on here's) understanding that the Club have sought clarification of the issue via legal channels as is their right.

[hibs0666]

I should think it glaringly obvious that the use of Club copyright material without permission (allegedly) represents a conflict of commercial interest with the existing Hibs merchandising and Shop deals and it is my (& other people on here's) understanding that the Club have sought clarification of the issue via legal channels as is their right.

With all due respect, your understanding is simply hearsay and will remains so until the club comes out and says it has an issue. I have seen the club in action in the past in copyright protection mode, and I'm not seeing or hearing anything to suggest that it has a major issue.

It's pretty bad patter, IMHO, to be calling someone out on the back of tittle-tattle.

[DaveF]

With all due respect, your understanding is simply hearsay and will remains so until the club comes out and says it has an issue. I have seen the club in action in the past in copyright protection mode, and I'm not seeing or hearing anything to suggest that it has a major issue.

It's pretty bad patter, IMHO, to be calling someone out on the back of tittle-tattle.

Your view is no more tittle tattle than anyone's else's, given you have no idea about the clubs feelings on them - unless you are privvy to inside knowledge you ain't sharing.

I cant link on my old crap phone but if you google copyright Hibernian retro there is a bounce thread from this time last year when the statue was first mooted which is worth a read.

[hibs0666]

Your view is no more tittle tattle than anyone's else's, given you have no idea about the clubs feelings on them - unless you are privvy to inside knowledge you ain't sharing.

I cant link on my old crap phone but if you google copyright Hibernian retro there is a bounce thread from this time last year when the statue was first mooted which is worth a read.

That's fine, but I have seen nothing so far that would make Charlene a baddy for having the temerity to be nominated by that site.

[DaveF]

That's fine, but I have seen nothing so far that would make Charlene a baddy for having the temerity to be nominated by that site.

Nobody said she was. All that was ever done was to point out possible issues by virtue of an endorsement from that guy for the reasons stated. Not sure why you seem to find that difficult to take on board to be honest.

[Leith Mo]

With all due respect, your understanding is simply hearsay and will remains so until the club comes out and says it has an issue. I have seen the club in action in the past in copyright protection mode, and I'm not seeing or hearing anything to suggest that it has a major issue.

It's pretty bad patter, IMHO, to be calling someone out on the back of tittle-tattle.

I think you're (possibly choosing to?) missing the real point at issue which is Charlene's failure (unless I missed it) to give a straight answer to the question over potential infringement of copyright and potential damage to the Club as a result. This is a delicate legal area hence my reluctance to comment in detail/care with which I and others have approached the subject on here and elsewhere - but certainly not "bad patter" nor "tittle-tattle."

Given your comment re copyright protection, do you agree the Club has a duty and a right to protect its intellectual property? (Again a fundamental question in this particular debate which I have not seen Charlene deal with).

[GreenArmyyy!]

How many games (home and away) have you attended this season?

All home games and all away games when I'm not working.... why do you ask?

[woodythehibee]

All home games and all away games when I'm not working.... why do you ask?

My question was to Charlene, I quoted her post :greengrin

[GreenArmyyy!]

My question was to Charlene, I quoted her post :greengrin

Ahh..... right ok mate, ignore me, lol.

[woodythehibee]

Ahh..... right ok mate, ignore me, lol.
[emoji106]

[ancient hibee]

I think you're (possibly choosing to?) missing the real point at issue which is Charlene's failure (unless I missed it) to give a straight answer to the question over potential infringement of copyright and potential damage to the Club as a result. This is a delicate legal area hence my reluctance to comment in detail/care with which I and others have approached the subject on here and elsewhere - but certainly not "bad patter" nor "tittle-tattle."

Given your comment re copyright protection, do you agree the Club has a duty and a right to protect its intellectual property? (Again a fundamental question in this particular debate which I have not seen Charlene deal with).
So you state"this is a delicate legal area"so you are reluctant to comment but you expect somebody else,whose name is known unlike yours,should comment.Double standards I think.

[hibs0666]

I think you're (possibly choosing to?) missing the real point at issue which is Charlene's failure (unless I missed it) to give a straight answer to the question over potential infringement of copyright and potential damage to the Club as a result. This is a delicate legal area hence my reluctance to comment in detail/care with which I and others have approached the subject on here and elsewhere - but certainly not "bad patter" nor "tittle-tattle."

Given your comment re copyright protection, do you agree the Club has a duty and a right to protect its intellectual property? (Again a fundamental question in this particular debate which I have not seen Charlene deal with).

Does it have a duty to protect its copyright? No - the costs in so doing could far outweigh the benefits. Does it have the right of protection? For sure.

My point is that the club has not announced that it is in dispute with that site over copyright or anything else for that matter. As far as I am aware, Hibs is not involved in a dispute, never mind announcing the fact.

Far be it from me to stick up for Charlene, but what is do you expect her to say about "potential" (the key word here) infringements or "potential" damage to the club when no such infringements are being claimed by anyone other than a handful of message board users?

[C Feeney-Seale]

As its derby week, I’ve been thinking of seven reasons to vote Charlene.

1) Experience: Project management and commercial background show I have the strong communication, stakeholder management and people skills needed to be a success in the role.

2) Passion: I’ve been Hibs daft all my life, and I understand what a privilege it would be to work with the club and the support. I’ve done the dreary long drives to and from Inverness/ Dingwall arriving hours early to see the players bus get in, I’ve queued for tickets from the early hours and tasted the highs at Hampden (2007, 2016) as well as those crushing lows (2001, 2012, 2013, 2016).

3) Open: I’ve pledged to share with fans my preparation for board meetings so that everyone can see the conversations I’ve been having, and which fans views are being represented. We are a diverse support, and this will ensure that I represent you all.

4) Two-way communication: I’ve also pledged to take steps to improve how much you hear from the fans reps and the club. I’ll arrange for minutes to be shared following the board meetings and offer my own debriefs online, so I can be held to account and so you are updated on key issues.

5) Accessible: I’ll be approachable, at games and events but also online (Hibs.net, Hibeesbounce, Facebook, Twitter and email). I know fans are busy and can’t always make the time to come up and speak to reps, so I’ll be reaching out to take on board as many of your views as possible.

6) Perseverance: Ask anyone that knows me, I don’t know when to quit! I’ve run marathons, an ultra-marathon and triathlons, and I’ll bring that drive to this role when representing your views.

7) Energy: I’m not in this to make up the numbers, if you choose me you’ll be getting a rep who will work their socks off to succeed in this role.

Just like Hearts in 1973, I can’t come up with anything in reply as to why not!

[bigstu]

As its derby week, I’ve been thinking of seven reasons to vote Charlene.

1) Experience: Project management and commercial background show I have the strong communication, stakeholder management and people skills needed to be a success in the role.

2) Passion: I’ve been Hibs daft all my life, and I understand what a privilege it would be to work with the club and the support. I’ve done the dreary long drives to and from Inverness/ Dingwall arriving hours early to see the players bus get in, I’ve queued for tickets from the early hours and tasted the highs at Hampden (2007, 2016) as well as those crushing lows (2001, 2012, 2013, 2016).

3) Open: I’ve pledged to share with fans my preparation for board meetings so that everyone can see the conversations I’ve been having, and which fans views are being represented. We are a diverse support, and this will ensure that I represent you all.

4) Two-way communication: I’ve also pledged to take steps to improve how much you hear from the fans reps and the club. I’ll arrange for minutes to be shared following the board meetings and offer my own debriefs online, so I can be held to account and so you are updated on key issues.

5) Accessible: I’ll be approachable, at games and events but also online (Hibs.net, Hibeesbounce, Facebook, Twitter and email). I know fans are busy and can’t always make the time to come up and speak to reps, so I’ll be reaching out to take on board as many of your views as possible.

6) Perseverance: Ask anyone that knows me, I don’t know when to quit! I’ve run marathons, an ultra-marathon and triathlons, and I’ll bring that drive to this role when representing your views.

7) Energy: I’m not in this to make up the numbers, if you choose me you’ll be getting a rep who will work their socks off to succeed in this role.

Just like Hearts in 1973, I can’t come up with anything in reply as to why not!

You get my vote!