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lord bunberry
20-01-2017, 11:32 AM
Are people for or against this. How would people vote if given the chance in their area?

Beefster
20-01-2017, 11:34 AM
I've no issues with council tax rises (I think the freeze in Scotland was a big mistake) but 15% in one go is just way too much.

Pretty Boy
20-01-2017, 12:27 PM
I've no issues with council tax rises (I think the freeze in Scotland was a big mistake) but 15% in one go is just way too much.

Pretty much where I am.

The cuts to local sevices are becoming increasingly obvious because of the council tax freeze. I've been a long time critic of the SNPs desire to 'borrow' elements of social policy from Scandanavia without wishing to raise taxation to pay for it. That money doesn't come from nowhere and for every baby box given out money is cut from elsewhere, potentially from those who really need it.

It's the fundemental problem with trying to be popular with everybody.

Moulin Yarns
20-01-2017, 12:34 PM
I've no issues with council tax rises (I think the freeze in Scotland was a big mistake) but 15% in one go is just way too much.


I would like to see them rise, and above inflation, perhaps index linked. I will retire from Local Government soon, but the level of services have been falling for far too long.

Just Jimmy
20-01-2017, 01:52 PM
What do I get for what I pay now? The services are and were pish for a long time prior to now.

It's not value for money right now...

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RyeSloan
20-01-2017, 01:56 PM
Who is planning a 15% rise?

And what would be the point of a freeze just to raise it 15% after it finishes?

The whole model of local government funding needs looked at...shame the SNP have ducked this one for so long!

Moulin Yarns
20-01-2017, 02:22 PM
Who is planning a 15% rise?

And what would be the point of a freeze just to raise it 15% after it finishes?

The whole model of local government funding needs looked at...shame the SNP have ducked this one for so long!

Surrey! Conservative led Council.

http://news.sky.com/story/surrey-to-hold-referendum-on-15-council-tax-rise-to-fund-social-care-10734359

Moulin Yarns
20-01-2017, 02:24 PM
Who is planning a 15% rise?

And what would be the point of a freeze just to raise it 15% after it finishes?

The whole model of local government funding needs looked at...shame the SNP have ducked this one for so long!

Want change?

https://greens.scot/scrap-the-council-tax-sign-the-petition

snooky
20-01-2017, 02:38 PM
Pretty much where I am.

The cuts to local sevices are becoming increasingly obvious because of the council tax freeze. I've been a long time critic of the SNPs desire to 'borrow' elements of social policy from Scandanavia without wishing to raise taxation to pay for it. That money doesn't come from nowhere and for every baby box given out money is cut from elsewhere, potentially from those who really need it.

It's the fundemental problem with trying to be popular with everybody.


Nice idea but far more important things to do with limited funds than toss dosh at this twee gesture, IMO.

RyeSloan
20-01-2017, 05:28 PM
Surrey! Conservative led Council.

http://news.sky.com/story/surrey-to-hold-referendum-on-15-council-tax-rise-to-fund-social-care-10734359

So bugger all to do with Scotland or the council tax policies here...[emoji849]

RyeSloan
20-01-2017, 05:41 PM
Want change?

https://greens.scot/scrap-the-council-tax-sign-the-petition

I need to read more about the pros and cons of a land value tax but I'm not really getting the difference to council tax in their current proposal. Is the net effect not the same as creating more council tax bands and updating valuations?

The owner pays concept sounds good but in reality that cost will just be passed directly to a tenant so not sure it would make any difference in the real world.

lord bunberry
20-01-2017, 05:43 PM
So bugger all to do with Scotland or the council tax policies here...[emoji849]

No that's why I asked how you would vote if given the chance here. Raising taxes is never popular, but councils would do it if given a mandate to do so.

Pete
20-01-2017, 06:01 PM
I need to read more about the pros and cons of a land value tax but I'm not really getting the difference to council tax in their current proposal. Is the net effect not the same as creating more council tax bands and updating valuations?

The owner pays concept sounds good but in reality that cost will just be passed directly to a tenant so not sure it would make any difference in the real world.

Maybe I'm getting it wrong but are the greens not proposing a tax that is purely income based?

RyeSloan
20-01-2017, 09:54 PM
Maybe I'm getting it wrong but are the greens not proposing a tax that is purely income based?

Not how I read it...1% value of your house tax.

Moulin Yarns
21-01-2017, 08:01 AM
Maybe I'm getting it wrong but are the greens not proposing a tax that is purely income based?


Not how I read it...1% value of your house tax.


Correct.


A rate of 1 per cent across Scotland with a tax-free housing allowance of £10,000 for every home

Sylar
21-01-2017, 08:18 AM
It's a context specific question I guess.

Having recently left Surrey, if they had this referendum when I was there, I'd have voted against it.

The cost of living down there is astronomical, and you pay for everything at a premium. Adding 15% to the council tax across the board will particularly hurt those already struggling to make ends meet.

Canon Hannan
21-01-2017, 09:44 AM
I've no issues with council tax rises (I think the freeze in Scotland was a big mistake) but 15% in one go is just way too much.

Change the system to an income based tax calculation.

RyeSloan
21-01-2017, 11:15 AM
Change the system to an income based tax calculation.

The problem with that is it misses those who are capital or asset 'rich'...it's partly the focus on income that is the underlying problem with the current taxation regime.