Scotty Allan

[tamig]

With respect, given Allan's diabetes, that might not be that bad a strategy. Aside from the issues with managing the condition, I'd imagine that there's a higher element of uncertainty in the length of his career.

I guess that's a fair point but there are examples of other diabetic players where the condition does not appear to have had a detrimental effect on their careers.

[21.05.2016]

Indeed. His agent has a lot to answer for. Scott Allan will be a wealthy young man with very little first team football under his belt. The agent is clearly looking to get him as much cash as he can and doesn't seem too fussed as to whether he does anything on the pitch or not.

Pretty much like most agents, most couldn't really give a **** about what best for the players football career, it's all about milking as much cash as possible from them. They'll be absolutely loving the Chinese these days, thats an agents jackpot these days.

[tamig]

The Agent is employed by the footballer. It's ultimately the player who decides on any offer his agent finds and he can take advice from anyone he wants. Clubs know about players and, as in any other walk of life, networks exist where initial contact can be made without passing by clubs or agents.

I get all that but I reckon there are plenty players who would do anything their agent "advises". I'm quite interested in the agent game and there are more than a few unscrupulous characters involved who are more interested in what they can get out of any deal rather than what's in the best interests of the client. There are a lot of gullible - or not very bright - players who sadly fall for it.

[Smartie]

I do think that getting Allan was a bit of a coup for Hibs, even if he didn't have many options at that time.

I bought my season ticket off the back of us getting Allan. I hadn't renewed under Butcher and didn't really have any intention of going back that season. But when I saw Stubbs' intention to pass the ball in our friendlies, then we signed Allan I immediately got on board.

I saw him play for Scotland under 21s a few years ago and he was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch. I was delighted when we signed him and tbh his performances didn't let us down. He even played well after he'd handed in his transfer request.

I do think he's a clown and any chance he has of future success depends on whether he chooses to "screw the nut" at some point or not.

[HappyHanlon]

No thanks. He's wasted his talent.

We got Dylan and Hendo as part of the deal and what a contribution they made.

I'd go as far as saying, if we had Allan on the corners at Hampden, it would have been a half arsed attempt to cross into the box and fail to beat first man.

He can rot.

[brog]

No, he's not. But it's let folk who hate him vent so that has to be a good thing for society.

:wink: As for being a disruptive influence, I believe he was very popular in the dressing room. Every player is going to take the opportunity to substantially improve their income. The real problem lies with SA's agent & the MSM who were completely miffed that Hibs were not prepared to sell our best player for sweeties to our league rival. Ridiculous behaviour on our part, it's every player's god given right to join either of the Uglies when they come calling!

[JimboHibs]

I do think that getting Allan was a bit of a coup for Hibs, even if he didn't have many options at that time.

I bought my season ticket off the back of us getting Allan. I hadn't renewed under Butcher and didn't really have any intention of going back that season. But when I saw Stubbs' intention to pass the ball in our friendlies, then we signed Allan I immediately got on board.

I saw him play for Scotland under 21s a few years ago and he was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch. I was delighted when we signed him and tbh his performances didn't let us down. He even played well after he'd handed in his transfer request.

I do think he's a clown and any chance he has of future success depends on whether he chooses to "screw the nut" at some point or not.

A clown ? I reckon I prob made dafter decisions than in my youth than Scott Allan that make me a clown tae ?? So what he left us and has struggled went to a poor Rotherham team & struggled there,u ever thought the manager at Celric didn't fancy him & currently who would you drop from the current Celtic team to give him a game...talk about overreacting this thread will dissapear into the horizon just like the attendance figures thread against UTD did.

[21.05.2016]

:wink: As for being a disruptive influence, I believe he was very popular in the dressing room. Every player is going to take the opportunity to substantially improve their income. The real problem lies with SA's agent & the MSM who were completely miffed that Hibs were not prepared to sell our best player for sweeties to our league rival. Ridiculous behaviour on our part, it's every player's god given right to join either of the Uglies when they come calling!

The media were a disgrace during the whole thing. They did exactly what Rangers wanted them to and stirred the situation as much as possible. The rangers put in a pitiful offer that they knew fine well hibs would reject but the real aim was to turn Allans head and unsettle the hibs camp as we prepared for the season. As per usual they knew they could rely on their buddies in the media to give them a helping hand. As you say, the way they spun it was how dare hibs say no to Rangers, that big bad hibs were denying poor Scott Allan his big dream move etc.

Yes, imagine the cheek of us not selling our best player to our biggest title rivals, how very dare we not bend over to rangers :rolleyes:

[Captain Trips]

Ww have more than moved on, we are doing pretty well without him and I am sure Lennon is capable of improving us further.

Allan would improve us but so would Messi. I have certainly moved passed Allan big deal he is good so are 100s of other players who hopefully have a bit more respect.

[2016 Delivered]

Yes he was a very good capture from Stubbs but Allan was hardly being flooded with offers elsewhere. He's a good player but his career had hit a bit of a dead end. Hibs got him back into the spot light again. Yes, from our point of view it was lucky his career had slumped otherwise we wouldn't have got him but Allan has a lot to be grateful to hibs and Stubbs for.



I'm sure he's acknowledged the club and Stubbs numerous times and it was a good decision to come to us when perhaps better offers where out there, Stubbs said that too so we can't exactly compare him with some French trialist with nowhere else to go that we give a punt to. Many clubs and managers where aware of Allan's potential and I'm sure I read Neilson tried to take him to them too.

[2016 Delivered]

:wink: As for being a disruptive influence, I believe he was very popular in the dressing room. Every player is going to take the opportunity to substantially improve their income. The real problem lies with SA's agent & the MSM who were completely miffed that Hibs were not prepared to sell our best player for sweeties to our league rival. Ridiculous behaviour on our part, it's every player's god given right to join either of the Uglies when they come calling!


Spot on.

[blackpoolhibs]

Scott Alan is a bit of a dick, but he was terrific for us. I never thought i'd say this but i'd take him back, maybe he just fitted in at Hibs i dont know, but he was a pleasure to watch when on the ball driving forward.

As much as we dont want to see it, but John McGinn will be off soon, maybe in the summer, maybe the summer after, but when he goes Allan can fill that role well.

These days if you get a good player, you are lucky if you have him for 2-3 years at best, the more good players you have the better in my opinion, and Allan is good.

Short termism i suppose, but you cant plan more than a year or two ahead with players these days.

[Ozyhibby]

Scott Alan is a bit of a dick, but he was terrific for us. I never thought i'd say this but i'd take him back, maybe he just fitted in at Hibs i dont know, but he was a pleasure to watch when on the ball driving forward.

As much as we dont want to see it, but John McGinn will be off soon, maybe in the summer, maybe the summer after, but when he goes Allan can fill that role well.

These days if you get a good player, you are lucky if you have him for 2-3 years at best, the more good players you have the better in my opinion, and Allan is good.

Short termism i suppose, but you cant plan more than a year or two ahead with players these days.

Allan will be coming towards his peak as well and there won't be the distraction of big money moves getting touted. Whoever signs him next might get 3/4 cracking years of service from him. I'd rather it was us than the yams.
McGinn will be gone next season so we should be making preparations now for when it happens.


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[we are hibs]

Where's it proven he's a disruptive influence?

Trying to force through a move to our biggest rivals for that season days before the season begun. Allan didn't want to be here and handed in a transfer request. That's fine. But don't come back a year and a half later wanting to be took back. He's not needed and not wanted.

[HibernianJK]

Is he actually linked with a move back or is this just 8 pages of nonsense and pointless bickering?

Just rumors.

Don't think it's pointless bickering. Think it's been a pretty good conversation and debate to be honest.

[CMurdoch]

Not one for bringing up such things but i have been surprised that during all the Scott Allen hate fests no one has mentioned the incident in 2012 whereby the car he was driving collided with a pedestrian causing horrendous injury.
Once recovered the guy took a civil action and Allan was ordered to pay him damages of £6 million pounds. £2 million up front with yearly payments until 2027. Don't know if he has to pay it or his insurance company.

[Geo_1875]

Scott Allan, outstanding football talent, bit of a ****.

[Geo_1875]

Not one for bringing up such things but i have been surprised that during all the Scott Allen hate fests no one has mentioned the incident in 2012 whereby the car he was driving collided with a pedestrian causing horrendous injury.
Once recovered the guy took a civil action and Allan was ordered to pay him damages of £6 million pounds. £2 million up front with yearly payments until 2027. Don't know if he has to pay it or his insurance company.

That "incident" was an accident. That's what insurance is for.

[CMurdoch]

That "incident" was an accident. That's what insurance is for.

Something else to hate Allan for.
Costing us all a packet for increased insurance premiums :cb

[GreenLake]

Not one for bringing up such things but i have been surprised that during all the Scott Allen hate fests no one has mentioned the incident in 2012 whereby the car he was driving collided with a pedestrian causing horrendous injury.
Once recovered the guy took a civil action and Allan was ordered to pay him damages of £6 million pounds. £2 million up front with yearly payments until 2027. Don't know if he has to pay it or his insurance company.

I don't know how it works over there, but in the US there are limits on liability coverage which you can select according to how much you are willing to pay. Then you can buy umbrella insurance fairly easily to raise auto and home liability up to $6m total providing you set liability for those two at least at $1m. Anything higher puts you in front of specialist policy writers. I doubt Scott Allan had the kind of net worth that would have him insured to £6m but I could be wrong and I would be interested to know how much motorists are limited to for insurance claims in the UK these days.

[Springbank]

Well I'm going to put my tin hat on and tell you a story.

When Hibs played Rangers at Easter Road, my wee boy was mascot.
He was thrilled when he got to run out with his favourite player, Scott Allan.
In the tunnel, with the Hibs players on one side and Rangers on the other, my wee boy (then 6 years old) was asked by Allan "what do you think the score will be today"?
The wee man replied, I think it might be 1-0.
Scott Allan said to him, in full earshot of the Rangers team, "just one nil? for Hibs? Nah, we'll beat them more than that"
He made the wee man feel ten feet tall, and he wnet on to play Rangers midfield off the park.

It's easy to remember the way he left, and forget the sublime football he played when he was here.
I'd take him back in a second, he's been badly advised and could do with coming home.
I understand he was also at a few of our cup ties (inc two at Tynecastle) supporting Hibs and Stubbs last season.

If the opportunity arises for the guy to get a second chance, I'll be more than happy for him to get that chance.
Just my personal take on it, but he was a class act in my (albeit limited) direct experience of him.
He'd be welcome back home as far as I am concerned.

[Deansy]

As much as I loved Allan's skill and technique when he was with us, there is NO WAY I'd want him back at ER for 2 reasons -

1) Proven 'Attitude Problem'.

2) He's a Hun - he's never denied it or even had the decency to appear embarrassed by it.

[Elephant Stone]

Can't help but wonder if the circumstances of him leaving have influenced the folk talking down his abilities, at least a little :tee hee: Thought he was an absolutely terrific player.

[Weststandwanab]

[QUOTE=Springbank;4910382]Well I'm going to put my tin hat on and tell you a story.

When Hibs played Rangers at Easter Road, my wee boy was mascot.
He was thrilled when he got to run out with his favourite player, Scott Allan.
In the tunnel, with the Hibs players on one side and Rangers on the other, my wee boy (then 6 years old) was asked by Allan "what do you think the score will be today"?
The wee man replied, I think it might be 1

[Famous Fiver]

We got the
'Who wants a fat past it Celtic reject' when Kris Commons was first spoken about and we know how that turned out.

As far as I am concerned my question is - Will SA improve our team?

My answer to that is yes so my opinion is forget the baggage, think about his football, and if we can get him, go for it.

Tin hat firmly on.

[Smartie]

A clown ? I reckon I prob made dafter decisions than in my youth than Scott Allan that make me a clown tae ?? So what he left us and has struggled went to a poor Rotherham team & struggled there,u ever thought the manager at Celric didn't fancy him & currently who would you drop from the current Celtic team to give him a game...talk about overreacting this thread will dissapear into the horizon just like the attendance figures thread against UTD did.

You might be, you might not be, I don't know.

FWIW in terms of my career I reckon I probably "screwed the nut" at about 30, having made a mess of many opportunities before then. I've often said that if I'd been a footballer I'd never have made it because I simply didn't have the emotional maturity to make good decisions at a young age, and my career would have been over before it had begun.

There's little doubt in my mind that I was a clown when I was Scott Allan's age. The difference is I don't have a career that will at best last into my mid-thirties. Every player is allowed to make a bad move and make a bad mistake, but I think Allan's got a track record of it now and it doesn't reflect well on him.

Based on ability alone, the concept of Hibs signing Scott Allan should be a no-brainer. He was superb. But the disruptive nature of his antics when he left leave a bad taste.


On another note, I reckon Rangers contributed massively to their winning of the league with their "nobbling" of Scott Allan. It was a nasty, dastardly, low move from a horrible club, aided and abetted by their partners in the media but boy was it effective.

It plunged us into crisis at the start of the season, they got a big 6-2 win at ER and their fans started to get behind them again. When they came out the blocks very fast, establishing a big lead in the league and consolidating a feel good factor Ibrox we were still scrambling about trying to work out how to get a team together post- Scott Allan (all our play was focussed on him). It's easy to forget the shambles they were the season before and it allowed them to steal a march on us.

Although in many ways we got the last laugh that season.

[Super_JMcGinn]

Well I'm going to put my tin hat on and tell you a story.

When Hibs played Rangers at Easter Road, my wee boy was mascot.
He was thrilled when he got to run out with his favourite player, Scott Allan.
In the tunnel, with the Hibs players on one side and Rangers on the other, my wee boy (then 6 years old) was asked by Allan "what do you think the score will be today"?
The wee man replied, I think it might be 1-0.
Scott Allan said to him, in full earshot of the Rangers team, "just one nil? for Hibs? Nah, we'll beat them more than that"
He made the wee man feel ten feet tall, and he wnet on to play Rangers midfield off the park.

It's easy to remember the way he left, and forget the sublime football he played when he was here.
I'd take him back in a second, he's been badly advised and could do with coming home.
I understand he was also at a few of our cup ties (inc two at Tynecastle) supporting Hibs and Stubbs last season.

If the opportunity arises for the guy to get a second chance, I'll be more than happy for him to get that chance.
Just my personal take on it, but he was a class act in my (albeit limited) direct experience of him.
He'd be welcome back home as far as I am concerned.

What a terrific story and I too would have him back, one of the best footballers to grace our club in a long long time :aok:

[AlbertK86]

What a terrific story and I too would have him back, one of the best footballers to grace our club in a long long time :aok:

Agree

[Bostonhibby]

I don't know how it works over there, but in the US there are limits on liability coverage which you can select according to how much you are willing to pay. Then you can buy umbrella insurance fairly easily to raise auto and home liability up to $6m total providing you set liability for those two at least at $1m. Anything higher puts you in front of specialist policy writers. I doubt Scott Allan had the kind of net worth that would have him insured to £6m but I could be wrong and I would be interested to know how much motorists are limited to for insurance claims in the UK these days.
They're not limited. Road traffic act provides for unlimited liability for third parties on a negligence basis. Insurers can't impose a ceiling on motor accidents.