Forth road bridge closed.

[Pete]

00:30 Bridge closed to high sided vehicles.

02:00 Lorry overturns on bridge.

Bridge them closed until further notice because twats lorry is mangled in the grille between the lanes.

Enjoy the commute.

[Hibs Class]

00:30 Bridge closed to high sided vehicles.

02:00 Lorry overturns on bridge.

Bridge them closed until further notice because twats lorry is mangled in the grille between the lanes.

Enjoy the commute.

And recovery crane cannot operate in high winds so it will be shut for a while.

[patch1875]

South bound may be closed for a few days.

[Moulin Yarns]

Driver charged with dangerous driving.

[derekHFC]

Driver charged with dangerous driving.

And quite rightly so. Did the guy think the signs were up saying bridge closed to high sided vehicles were there for a laugh?

Quite staggering really. Imagine that was rush hour and the clown was blown onto another car.

[Moulin Yarns]

My team leader, who lives in Alloa, has just arrived in Perth at 11:30 having been caught up in the traffic, and that wasn't even trying to get across the Kincardine Bridge!!

[Pretty Boy]

And quite rightly so. Did the guy think the signs were up saying bridge closed to high sided vehicles were there for a laugh?

Quite staggering really. Imagine that was rush hour and the clown was blown onto another car.

It mystifies me what goes through these guys head.

Myself and Mrs PB were driving on the M6 past Shap just before Christmas, notorious for being exposed. Signs for miles beforehand saying road closed to high sided vehicles. Of course 10 minutes down the road a lorry lies overturned. Luckily it fell onto the hard shoulder and not into the middle of the road.

[Jack]

My wee van job takes me from Leith to Perth then back via a scenic Fife route. That'll be 3 extra hours I'll never get back!

Seen lots more of our lovely country though. I suppose I'm just lucky 😁

[matty_f]

And quite rightly so. Did the guy think the signs were up saying bridge closed to high sided vehicles were there for a laugh?

Quite staggering really. Imagine that was rush hour and the clown was blown onto another car.
Even without signs you'd think he'd have realised that crossing a high bridge in wings like we had last night in a high sided lorry was ****ing idiotic.

Genuinely would jail him for it. His stupidity will cost the tax payers a hefty whack, he's put others at risk, and he could have killed someone.

[snooky]

Even without signs you'd think he'd have realised that crossing a high bridge in wings like we had last night in a high sided lorry was ****ing idiotic.

Genuinely would jail him for it. His stupidity will cost the tax payers a hefty whack, he's put others at risk, and he could have killed someone.

No excuses - he should be jailed, given the disruption he's caused and the obvious danger & inconvenience he has inflicted on other road users. He could quite easily have been up on a manslaughter charge from his own stupidity and/or arrogance.

[kenny.ff]

No excuses - he should be jailed, given the disruption he's caused and the obvious danger & inconvenience he has inflicted on other road users. He could quite easily have been up on a manslaughter charge from his own stupidity and/or arrogance.

This

[Scouse Hibee]

Given the disruption the closure of the bridge causes there really needs to be a physical presence rather than just signs to prevent this happening yet again.

[snooky]

Given the disruption the closure of the bridge causes there really needs to be a physical presence rather than just signs to prevent this happening yet again.
If this bawheid gets a well-publisied and deserved visit to the Big Hoose, then I think you'll find a lot of other similar bawheids won't take the chance next time.

[Scouse Hibee]

If this bawheid gets a well-publisied and deserved visit to the Big Hoose, then I think you'll find a lot of other similar bawheids won't take the chance.

The point is though a major road infrastructure like the bridge shouldn't be at the mercy of someone willing to take a chance.

[Jack]

Even without signs you'd think he'd have realised that crossing a high bridge in wings like we had last night in a high sided lorry was ****ing idiotic.

Genuinely would jail him for it. His stupidity will cost the tax payers a hefty whack, he's put others at risk, and he could have killed someone.

I'm pretty sure the government, on behalf of the taxpayer, will be making a claim against his company's insurance.

I'm wondering if people who would have otherwise used the bridge could make a claim. As I said earlier I lost something like 3 hours but my fancy new Sat Nav update whisked me past an incredible amount of stationary traffic I could see on other roads and the motorway. It could easily have been much, much longer, both ways.

[RyeSloan]

The point is though a major road infrastructure like the bridge shouldn't be at the mercy of someone willing to take a chance.

It's a fair point...a traffic police car at either end would be enough to ensure compliance.

That said what a selfish walloper the driver is and he should have the book thrown at him...he's lucky he didn't kill someone or damage the bridge more than he did. Not to mention the monumental disruption he has caused all because he couldn't be ersed driving a few extra miles.

[Scouse Hibee]

It's a fair point...a traffic police car at either end would be enough to ensure compliance.

That said what a selfish walloper the driver is and he should have the book thrown at him...he's lucky he didn't kill someone or damage the bridge more than he did. Not to mention the monumental disruption he has caused all because he couldn't be ersed driving a few extra miles.

Agree absolutely, I remember the stick I got years ago when I opened up the side of the van like a tin can on a stationary skip. They called me skippy for months. Imagine causing the closure of the bridge!!!!!

[Jack]

Agree absolutely, I remember the stick I got years ago when I opened up the side of the van like a tin can on a stationary skip. They called me skippy for months. Imagine causing the closure of the bridge!!!!!

I suspect he'll be known as Bridgey McBridgeface

[speedy_gonzales]

Given the disruption the closure of the bridge causes there really needs to be a physical presence rather than just signs to prevent this happening yet again.
There actually were Highways Agency/Amey vehicles at either side monitoring traffic.

I was nightshift last night and came back across the bridge from Fife around 01:45, the matrix signs were saying the bridge was closed to high sided vehicles/caravans/motorcycles. As you approached from the North there was a crew van in the layby facing traffic, driver watching for high siders who he could then flash his lights at. From the south another crew van was again facing traffic sitting between the A90 and the slip coming from Echline.

Two things I did notice, when I crossed the bridge in a small corsa van, there was very little wind, normally gusts would throw my van about. Secondly, the bloke watching traffic from the North was on his mobile as his lower face/jowl was lit up by the screen on his phone,,,,,I wonder if the guy on the South was doing similar???

[Scouse Hibee]

Bridge now open.

[jonty]

I'm pretty sure the government, on behalf of the taxpayer, will be making a claim against his company's insurance.

I'm wondering if people who would have otherwise used the bridge could make a claim. As I said earlier I lost something like 3 hours but my fancy new Sat Nav update whisked me past an incredible amount of stationary traffic I could see on other roads and the motorway. It could easily have been much, much longer, both ways.

I'd be surprised is the insurance was valid, given that he ignore the warning signs (they'll use any reason not to pay up).

[Scouse Hibee]

I'd be surprised is the insurance was valid, given that he ignore the warning signs (they'll use any reason not to pay up).

Insurance companies pay out all the time when the policy holder is at fault that's what it's for!

[bawheid]

If this bawheid gets a well-publisied and deserved visit to the Big Hoose, then I think you'll find a lot of other similar bawheids won't take the chance next time.

For the avoidance of doubt, this was nothing to do with me. :wink:

[jonty]

Insurance companies pay out all the time when the policy holder is at fault that's what it's for!

Sure, but there will be exceptions in the small print (ie life insurance may not pay out on suicide) and limitiations.
And if they haven't, more fool them.

[Scouse Hibee]

Sure, but there will be exceptions in the small print (ie life insurance may not pay out on suicide) and limitiations.
And if they haven't, more fool them.

Yes but unlikely in a motor insurance policy.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's a fair point...a traffic police car at either end would be enough to ensure compliance.

That said what a selfish walloper the driver is and he should have the book thrown at him...he's lucky he didn't kill someone or damage the bridge more than he did. Not to mention the monumental disruption he has caused all because he couldn't be ersed driving a few extra miles.
One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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[Jim44]

In a news report earlier today, I was surprised to hear that the company involved had only one concern ......... the health and safety of their driver. Still, I suppose that they will be technically sub-judice, now that their employee has been arrested.

[Scouse Hibee]

In a news report earlier today, I was surprised to hear that the company involved had only one concern ......... the health and safety of their driver. Still, I suppose that they will be technically sub-judice, now that their employee has been arrested.

Why is that surprising? Exactly what I would expect any employer to say.

[Jim44]

Why is that surprising? Exactly what I would expect any employer to say.

I suppose you're correct but you wonder if the fool was acting as an individual or under the instructions of his employers.

[snooky]

I suppose you're correct but you wonder if the fool was acting as an individual or under the instructions of his employers.

Yes, I've started to wonder about that too.
Driver: "Boss, the bridge is closed to high vehicles'
Boss: "Dinny pay attention to them. Just get that load delivered pdq"
(Or words to that effect.)

[Danderhall Hibs]

One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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That was my thought.

[danhibees1875]

One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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Was wondering if I was alone in thinking this. I can see why a fine/suspension/mandatory training should be handed his way - but I think a lot of the lock him up suggestions are OTT. No one knows the background reasons as to why he took this decision.

[WeeRussell]

One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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Not impossible, but not an excuse.

Not sure I'd be looking to have him jailed though. Nor do I think he will be.

[matty_f]

Not impossible, but not an excuse.

Not sure I'd be looking to have him jailed though. Nor do I think he will be.
Why not? There's not a huge jump from what this guy did to what that footballer that killed a couple of kids in his car did. They both decided to act selfishly in their vehicles, the big difference is that this guy was lucky enough that when his lorry toppled over he didn't land on another car.

[beensaidbefore]

Was wondering if I was alone in thinking this. I can see why a fine/suspension/mandatory training should be handed his way - but I think a lot of the lock him up suggestions are OTT. No one knows the background reasons as to why he took this decision.

I think the point is though, nowadays everyone has mitigation circumstances for acting selfishly as if that is justification. Rules are in place and not to be broken as and when folk feel like it. I completely understand your view but I wonder what message it would send to other hgv drivers next time the bridge is closed. It's OK to ignore the signs and cross if.... Insert self centred excuse in here.

We are all busy, we all are under pressure at work, we all have families to get home to etc, but we have to stop being so selfish as a society. It impacted on hundreds of thousands of people yesterday and lost people money/missed appointments etc and for that reason I feel that training etc would be letting him off lightly.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think the point is though, nowadays everyone has mitigation circumstances for acting selfishly as if that is justification. Rules are in place and not to be broken as and when folk feel like it. I completely understand your view but I wonder what message it would send to other hgv drivers next time the bridge is closed. It's OK to ignore the signs and cross if.... Insert self centred excuse in here.

We are all busy, we all are under pressure at work, we all have families to get home to etc, but we have to stop being so selfish as a society. It impacted on hundreds of thousands of people yesterday and lost people money/missed appointments etc and for that reason I feel that training etc would be letting him off lightly.

I'd look at it another way.

If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.

[WeeRussell]

Why not? There's not a huge jump from what this guy did to what that footballer that killed a couple of kids in his car did. They both decided to act selfishly in their vehicles, the big difference is that this guy was lucky enough that when his lorry toppled over he didn't land on another car.

Sometimes luck is the only difference between going to jail and not.

[Jack]

I'd look at it another way.

If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.

I dare say well find out during court case. I doubt he'll get the option of sending a fine in the post.

[kenny.ff]

If he has been charge with dangerous driving theres a good chance of jail time. I got done with the same charge in 2008 and the first thing thr lawyer said was "this is a jailable offence" he will at the very least loose his liscence and have to resit the test, and having a dd40 on your record isnt fun when coming to insure a vehicle. I paid 3200 for a 1998 1.6 golf that was only worth 1500. Everyones employer puts a bit presure on them, its up to you to say no. If that has been the case.

[beensaidbefore]

I'd look at it another way.

If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.

I actually agree with that. The thing is though, if I was under pressure to commit a crime a robbery for example, say through fear or blackmail, I would still be guilty of carrying out the crime. The punishment may be more lenient than otherwise but I doubt I would get off with some training on assertive behaviour techniques etc.

[Jack]

In December 2015 when the bridge was closed the Chamber of Commerce reckoned that the cost of time delays caused by the diversion was £3m a day.

Just saying.

[beensaidbefore]

If he is found guilty, which seems a no brainer, could individual businesses submit insurance claims against the guy/his employers for lost earnings etc? Say a self employed sparky who had to turn down work or taxi drivers who couldn't move around as freely?

[Jack]

If he is found guilty, which seems a no brainer, could individual businesses submit insurance claims against the guy/his employers for lost earnings etc? Say a self employed sparky who had to turn down work or taxi drivers who couldn't move around as freely?

Or 10s of thousands of standard commuters who racked up extra travel hours or had to take a days holiday.

[ronaldo7]

Building Scotland.

https://twitter.com/FRC_Queensferry/status/827507656373985280

[xyz23jc]

Building Scotland.

https://twitter.com/FRC_Queensferry/status/827507656373985280

:thumbsup::flag:

[RyeSloan]

Building Scotland.

https://twitter.com/FRC_Queensferry/status/827507656373985280

But maybe not quite as much as envisaged...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/27/holyrood-urged-eu-spending-rules-breach-impact-projects-scotland

[ronaldo7]

But maybe not quite as much as envisaged...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/27/holyrood-urged-eu-spending-rules-breach-impact-projects-scotland

Better building, than not building at all. We keep all the pocket money here now, instead of handing it back to Westminster.:wink:

[derekHFC]

Why did we build a bridge rather than a tunnel?

[Moulin Yarns]

Why did we build a bridge rather than a tunnel?

So people could admire the new bridge being built from the old bridge. :wink:

[Smartie]

Why did we build a bridge rather than a tunnel?

Political grandstanding.

It is a monument that allows the politicians to pat themselves on the back and take the acclaim that "we built this".

A tunnel would be far more cost-effective but far less glamorous.

(That's what I heard anyway. I don't know anything about these things).

[Moulin Yarns]

Just had a quick look at the report on the crossing options and the cost benefit ratio for the cable stay bridge (as built) is well above any tunnel option. So it was the most cost effective option.

[marinello59]

Just had a quick look at the report on the crossing options and the cost benefit ratio for the cable stay bridge (as built) is well above any tunnel option. So it was the most cost effective option.

It is engineered to allow traffic to cross even in severe weather. And it's beautiful. I'm pretty proud to see something like that built in Scotland.

[derekHFC]

Perhaps we should have copied the Øresund Bridge in Scandanavia.

Fantastic sight as you fly into Denmark.

[snooky]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39271380

Yet another bleeding idiot who needs his nuts put in a vice.

[stoneyburn hibs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39271380

Yet another bleeding idiot who needs his nuts put in a vice.

Just back home from working in Denny today and the traffic heading the other way up the M90 is brutal, what a daftie.

[matty_f]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39271380

Yet another bleeding idiot who needs his nuts put in a vice.
****ing ********.

[CropleyWasGod]

I drove North earlier on, and was struck by the number of high sided lorries using the bridge despite the ban.
Having been caught up in the mayhem later on, my kneejerk reaction is to kneecap the guy....but 2 things:-

1. As with last time, how much pressure is put on the driver to ignore the ban?

2. There doesn't seem to be any policing of the ban. It's left to the drivers themselves to make the choice.

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[speedy_gonzales]

2. There doesn't seem to be any policing of the ban. It's left to the drivers themselves to make the choice.

In which case it's like most road traffic incidents. Ignore the signage and don't screw up, you get away with it. Ignore the signage and screw up, well prepare to get your knuckles rapped.
The bridge operator does dispatch vehicles either side on approach with flashing orange lights but I don't think they can actually stop individual vehicles.
Perhaps the Police will have to take a proactive approach to prevent this becoming a more frequent occurrence.

[CropleyWasGod]

In which case it's like most road traffic incidents. Ignore the signage and don't screw up, you get away with it. Ignore the signage and screw up, well prepare to get your knuckles rapped.
The bridge operator does dispatch vehicles either side on approach with flashing orange lights but I don't think they can actually stop individual vehicles.
Perhaps the Police will have to take a proactive approach to prevent this becoming a more frequent occurrence.
Or have some sort of metal structure that's designed to prevent lorries getting under it 😁

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[Allant1981]

took me 2 hours to get home, was bursting on a pee as well!!

[ColinNish]

I take the train into Edinburgh from inverkeithing and even getting out of there and back up into Perthshire was a nightmare. Ended up driving through Cowdenbeath!! 😧

[Scouse Hibee]

Design a boom that restricts height when needed.

[ColinNish]

Design a boom that restricts height when needed.

Och, it'll no be required once the new bridge opens - the lorries can blow over to their hearts content on the old bridge. :greengrin

[Leith's finest]

Bring back the tolls for going both ways, that way no large vehicles would get over when high winds

[RyeSloan]

Bring back the tolls for going both ways, that way no large vehicles would get over when high winds

I don't think there was ever tolls for going both ways was there? I only remember them on the Edinburgh side..

[Peevemor]

I don't think there was ever tolls for going both ways was there? I only remember them on the Edinburgh side..

When you arrived from Fife you paid at the Edinburgh side.

[matty_f]

When you arrived from Fife you paid at the Edinburgh side.

It was the other way, you paid in Edinburgh to cross to Fife.

[snooky]

http://photographersdirect.com/buyers/stockphoto.php?image=1942042
The camera doesn't lie. :wink:

[HappyAsHellas]

I remember back in the day all the big lorries got stopped at the tolls in high winds and had to drive two abreast so if one got blown it only hit the other one and rebounded a bit. None of them could be blown over as it is now. You need manpower at either end of the bridge to do this though, and a wee bit of common sense so unlikely to happen again.

[Peevemor]

It was the other way, you paid in Edinburgh to cross to Fife.

Correchsun!

Up until 1997 there were tolls for both directions at the Edinburgh side. They then doubled the toll Northbound and did away with the Southbound tolls.

[Leith's finest]

Correchsun!

Up until 1997 there were tolls for both directions at the Edinburgh side. They then doubled the toll Northbound and did away with the Southbound tolls.
Thank you for confirming that it was both ways, thought it was earlier than 97 though, if they brought them back incidents like yesterday would not happen

[ColinNish]

Thank you for confirming that it was both ways, thought it was earlier than 97 though, if they brought them back incidents like yesterday would not happen

Take it you don't use the bridge on a daily basis then?

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39279342

The bridge was closed on Tuesday in both directions for several hours until the vehicle was removed.
The 56-year-old is due to appear at Dunfermline Sheriff Court later.



Meanwhile, the driver of the lorry that overturned on the Forth Road Bridge in January's gales, blocking it for 19 hours, has been fined £1,000 and banned from driving for two years.
Aleksander Niemiec, from Macclesfield in Cheshire, was also ordered to re-sit the driving test and HGV licence test.
Niemiec, 55, pleaded guilty to dangerous driving on 11 January by failing to comply with road signs.

has there ever been any mention of who was at fault for this one, i mean did his employer put any pressure on him to ignore any warnings, i've not saw any mention of his employer ? i wonder if they told him to take the wrap and they would pay any fine that came his way ? although banned from driving for 2 years he's maybe been given a job in the office

[Jack]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39279342

The bridge was closed on Tuesday in both directions for several hours until the vehicle was removed.
The 56-year-old is due to appear at Dunfermline Sheriff Court later.



Meanwhile, the driver of the lorry that overturned on the Forth Road Bridge in January's gales, blocking it for 19 hours, has been fined £1,000 and banned from driving for two years.
Aleksander Niemiec, from Macclesfield in Cheshire, was also ordered to re-sit the driving test and HGV licence test.
Niemiec, 55, pleaded guilty to dangerous driving on 11 January by failing to comply with road signs.

has there ever been any mention of who was at fault for this one, i mean did his employer put any pressure on him to ignore any warnings, i've not saw any mention of his employer ? i wonder if they told him to take the wrap and they would pay any fine that came his way ? although banned from driving for 2 years he's maybe been given a job in the office

Given he's been sacked for this I doubt his employers approved in any way.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Given he's been sacked for this I doubt his employers approved in any way.


sorry,doesn't say anything in that article that he was sacked,i obviously must have missed it on the tellybox,ta

[ColinNish]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39279342

The bridge was closed on Tuesday in both directions for several hours until the vehicle was removed.
The 56-year-old is due to appear at Dunfermline Sheriff Court later.



Meanwhile, the driver of the lorry that overturned on the Forth Road Bridge in January's gales, blocking it for 19 hours, has been fined £1,000 and banned from driving for two years.
Aleksander Niemiec, from Macclesfield in Cheshire, was also ordered to re-sit the driving test and HGV licence test.
Niemiec, 55, pleaded guilty to dangerous driving on 11 January by failing to comply with road signs.

has there ever been any mention of who was at fault for this one, i mean did his employer put any pressure on him to ignore any warnings, i've not saw any mention of his employer ? i wonder if they told him to take the wrap and they would pay any fine that came his way ? although banned from driving for 2 years he's maybe been given a job in the office

And the geezer from yesterday pled not guilty!! 😂😂😂

[RyeSloan]

http://photographersdirect.com/buyers/stockphoto.php?image=1942042
The camera doesn't lie. :wink:

Ahh there you go...I remembered they were yellow but couldn't remember them on both sides!

[cabbageandribs1875]

And the geezer from yesterday pled not guilty!! 😂😂😂


i thought i caught that at the end on the radio but thought nah why on earth plead not guilty, strange

[Mr White]

i thought i caught that at the end on the radio but thought nah why on earth plead not guilty, strange

I suspect it'll be to give himself and his legal representative time to rule out any ways to wriggle out of the charge - signs not working for example.

[matty_f]

Correchsun!

Up until 1997 there were tolls for both directions at the Edinburgh side. They then doubled the toll Northbound and did away with the Southbound tolls.
Eh... That was before my time. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

I suspect it'll be to give himself and his legal representative time to rule out any ways to wriggle out of the charge - signs not working for example.


ah right :aok: thankfully no other motorists were caught up in either incident

[Mr White]

ah right :aok: thankfully no other motorists were caught up in either incident

:agree: Very lucky on both occasions

[Moulin Yarns]

ah right :aok: thankfully no other motorists were caught up in either incident

Try telling that to those in the stationary traffic on the approach to the bridge while the lorries were removed

[cabbageandribs1875]

Try telling that to those in the stationary traffic on the approach to the bridge while the lorries were removed


i should have said injured :wink: as for the waiting, my blood pressure would have been through the roof, it's a major tailback if i'm behind half a dozen cars at the main traffic lights in bathgate :rolleyes:

[JackLadd]

Likely another Pole like the dude in January who did the exact same and got a two year ban and £1k fine today. Could be a case for putting these warning signs up in Polish also given the huge inconvenience and large numbers of East Euro drivers on the roads, not that they'd all pay attention but it might help.

[ColinNish]

Likely another Pole like the dude in January who did the exact same and got a two year ban and £1k fine today. Could be a case for putting these warning signs up in Polish also given the huge inconvenience and large numbers of East Euro drivers on the roads, not that they'd all pay attention but it might help.

Nothing like casting aspersions eh? The guy who got done was from Macclesfield and the one a couple of days ago was Lithuanian, so Polish signs would make no difference.

[Moulin Yarns]

Likely another Pole like the dude in January who did the exact same and got a two year ban and £1k fine today. Could be a case for putting these warning signs up in Polish also given the huge inconvenience and large numbers of East Euro drivers on the roads, not that they'd all pay attention but it might help.


A racist slur without checking the facts. Typical generalisations like this are not welcome.

[marinello59]

Likely another Pole like the dude in January who did the exact same and got a two year ban and £1k fine today. Could be a case for putting these warning signs up in Polish also given the huge inconvenience and large numbers of East Euro drivers on the roads, not that they'd all pay attention but it might help.

You are walking a very thin line with that post.

[greenlex]

Likely another Pole like the dude in January who did the exact same and got a two year ban and £1k fine today. Could be a case for putting these warning signs up in Polish also given the huge inconvenience and large numbers of East Euro drivers on the roads, not that they'd all pay attention but it might help.

Very odd person.

[CropleyWasGod]

Nothing like casting aspersions eh? The guy who got done was from Macclesfield and the one a couple of days ago was Lithuanian, so Polish signs would make no difference.
The guy found guilty is from Macclesfield, and used a Polish interpreter, according to the BBC.

Doesn't excuse the casual xenophobia, of course.

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[Jack]

Likely another Pole like the dude who did the exact same and got a two year ban and £1k fine today. Could be a case for putting these warning signs up in Polish also given the huge inconvenience and large numbers of East Euro drivers on the roads, not that they'd all pay attention but it might help.

It's with posts like this and many others on the referendum thread I find it very hard to believe you are in fact a Hibbie.

Of course I don't doubt the Hibs support come from many and varied backgrounds however I find it unbelievable that anyone could support a club whose ethos is so divergent from their own beliefs and views.

[bigwheel]

Likely another Pole like the dude in January who did the exact same and got a two year ban and £1k fine today. Could be a case for putting these warning signs up in Polish also given the huge inconvenience and large numbers of East Euro drivers on the roads, not that they'd all pay attention but it might help.


Using the word Dude , does not make this post any less racist and offensive...

[ColinNish]

The guy found guilty is from Macclesfield, and used a Polish interpreter, according to the BBC.

Doesn't excuse the casual xenophobia, of course.

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I did wonder due to his name. Thanks for the info. :greengrin

[JackLadd]

It's with posts like this and many others on the referendum thread I find it very hard to believe you are in fact a Hibbie.

Of course I don't doubt the Hibs support come from many and varied backgrounds however I find it unbelievable that anyone could support a club whose ethos is so divergent from their own beliefs and views.


What utter bollocks.

I'm suggesting we put up warning signs in Polish on the bridge as the last guy who ignored the signs was a non English reading Pole who got a two year ban this week and I will wager the one this week is a repeat, but I get personally attacked by insurgent nationalists questioning my Hibernian allegiance and suggesting I'm somehow racist on Poles. I can pm you my seat number in the South if you want to discuss this man to man, dude.

[CropleyWasGod]

What utter bollocks.

I'm suggesting we put up warning signs in Polish on the bridge as the last guy who ignored the signs was a non English reading Pole who got a two year ban this week and I will wager the one this week is a repeat, but I get personally attacked by insurgent nationalists questioning my Hibernian allegiance and suggesting I'm somehow racist on Poles. I can pm you my seat number in the South if you want to discuss this man to man, dude.

I drove over the bridge late morning that day. There were at least a dozen lorries on the bridge at the time, all ignoring the warning signs. Were they all non-English speakers?

The guy who was convicted this week has lived in the UK for 9 years. How do you know he can't read English?

And what's your evidence for saying that the driver this week is Polish?

It's not "insurgent nationalists" who are questioning your casual xenophobia and homophobia on this, and other, threads.

[Moulin Yarns]

What utter bollocks.

I'm suggesting we put up warning signs in Polish on the bridge as the last guy who ignored the signs was a non English reading Pole who got a two year ban this week and I will wager the one this week is a repeat, but I get personally attacked by insurgent nationalists questioning my Hibernian allegiance and suggesting I'm somehow racist on Poles. I can pm you my seat number in the South if you want to discuss this man to man, dude.

Hey Dude!! You have seriously outed yourself there. JackLadd is a Jambo who sits with the away support http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/tee%20hee%20hee.gif

[Jack]

Hey Dude!! You have seriously outed yourself there. JackLadd is a Jambo who sits with the away support http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/tee%20hee%20hee.gif

Beat me to it!

He's even got his favorite seat lol

[CropleyWasGod]

Hey Dude!! You have seriously outed yourself there. JackLadd is a Jambo who sits with the away support http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/tee%20hee%20hee.gif

You should have shut up a bit longer.

I was enjoying having someone to vent at.....but he's gone now. :rolleyes:

[Moulin Yarns]

You should have shut up a bit longer.

I was enjoying having someone to vent at.....but he's gone now. :rolleyes:

Sorry, no not really, one less embarrassing poster.

[ColinNish]

I drove over the bridge late morning that day. There were at least a dozen lorries on the bridge at the time, all ignoring the warning signs. Were they all non-English speakers?

The guy who was convicted this week has lived in the UK for 9 years. How do you know he can't read English?

And what's your evidence for saying that the driver this week is Polish?

It's not "insurgent nationalists" who are questioning your casual xenophobia and homophobia on this, and other, threads.
The driver this week was Lithuanian.
And you already posted that the one convicted this week needed a Polish interpreter at his court case?

[CapitalGreen]

I can pm you my seat number in the South if you want to discuss this man to man, dude.

ahahahaha what a way to go.

[CropleyWasGod]

The driver this week was Lithuanian.
And you already posted that the one convicted this week needed a Polish interpreter at his court case?

I am guessing...and it is only a guess...that the guy needed an interpreter for the Court process. It's a daunting enough process for an English speaker.

However, the same report says that he has lived in the UK for 9 years. Therefore the accusation that he couldn't read the road signs "because he is Polish" has little basis.

We're well rid of the poster. :rolleyes:

[ColinNish]

I am guessing...and it is only a guess...that the guy needed an interpreter for the Court process. It's a daunting enough process for an English speaker.

However, the same report says that he has lived in the UK for 9 years. Therefore the accusation that he couldn't read the road signs "because he is Polish" has little basis.

We're well rid of the poster. :rolleyes:

Fair enough. And yes, the poster was a jackass. 😊

[Scouse Hibee]

What utter bollocks.

I'm suggesting we put up warning signs in Polish on the bridge as the last guy who ignored the signs was a non English reading Pole who got a two year ban this week and I will wager the one this week is a repeat, but I get personally attacked by insurgent nationalists questioning my Hibernian allegiance and suggesting I'm somehow racist on Poles. I can pm you my seat number in the South if you want to discuss this man to man, dude.

In the South aye? HahahHaahahaha