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Itsnoteasy
08-01-2017, 07:41 PM
Did anyone hear sportsound yesterday. It involved the 2 mentioned. They got on to talking about attendances. AP then pipes up saying HMFC are a bigger team than The Dons. RG said really what European cups have HMFC won. AP then said you can't even play for that trophy now & anyway our average support is more than yours. I then looked up footie stats website for EPL. According to it West Ham have a higher average attendance than Liverpool this season. LFC are one of the most successful clubs in England and WHFC can't lace their boots. We know AP is a twat, but who was right here. I side with the dons as they have been more successful in there history. What's others thoughts on this.

Mr White
08-01-2017, 07:44 PM
2 bald men fighting over a comb really.

HUTCHYHIBBY
08-01-2017, 07:45 PM
West Ham have won a World Cup though! :-)

Topographic Hibby
08-01-2017, 07:45 PM
Alan Preston...
Hearts....
Who is bigger......

Sounds like the ultimate nightmare game of Pigeon Chess.

Earlydelivery
08-01-2017, 07:46 PM
When he said "our average attendance " I think he meant rangers 😉

lord bunberry
08-01-2017, 07:46 PM
Even if that squeaky voiced little prick is right he's wrong. The only people who think hearts are a bigger club than Aberdeen are hearts fans.

MWHIBBIES
08-01-2017, 07:46 PM
Hibs are bigger than them both.

hibsbollah
08-01-2017, 07:52 PM
I listened to it and I thought Preston was a total embarrassment. Possibly the Hibs attendance the other night has irritated him as it seems to have every other hertz erze I know.

For what it's worth,I guess most fans measure size (when they do at all) in terms of domestic trophies won or when relevant, European trophies. With fan base and average attendances also a factor. So Aberdeen beat Hertz. Hertz and Hibs are of similar size, 4 league trophies each with comparable attendances.

HoboHarry
08-01-2017, 07:52 PM
If they are arguing about what amounts to an opinion, then that would back up what I have always said about how amateurish the Scottish commentators and co-commentators are compared to their English counterparts. Regardless of what you think about them, you just do not hear Gary Neville, Graeme Le Saux etc etc involving themselves in such moronic discussions.....

jabis
08-01-2017, 07:57 PM
When whatshisname said Hearts were a bigger team Richard Gordon was literally speechless......said it all.

Itsnoteasy
08-01-2017, 08:00 PM
When whatshisname said Hearts were a bigger team Richard Gordon was literally speechless......said it all.

He sure was. Think his reply was are you kidding me on.

cleanyman
08-01-2017, 08:00 PM
Hearts and Aberdeen are very close.

My grandfather who is a Rangers man through and through remembers the Hibs golden era and at the time says Hibs were comfortably seen as the third biggest in Scotland...and potentially the biggest. Sadly, we never really kicked on but when he talks about this era he seems confuzzled on how Hibs failed to capitalise on such a period.

houstonhibbee
08-01-2017, 08:05 PM
I listened to it and I thought Preston was a total embarrassment. Possibly the Hibs attendance the other night has irritated him as it seems to have every other hertz erze I know.

For what it's worth,I guess most fans measure size (when they do at all) in terms of domestic trophies won or when relevant, European trophies. With fan base and average attendances also a factor. So Aberdeen beat Hertz. Hertz and Hibs are of similar size, 4 league trophies each with comparable attendances.
Id say theres not much between all three all thing considered but the gulf to Celtic and the old Rangers is pathetic so we've not got much to crow about - all three

Col2
08-01-2017, 08:07 PM
I listened to it and I thought Preston was a total embarrassment. Possibly the Hibs attendance the other night has irritated him as it seems to have every other hertz erze I know.

100% what I thought and it's coming through load and clear amongst the yam mob that they are raging about the continued rise of the Hibees and the fall of 'the famous'. AP is a bitter twat who has absolutely nothing to add to the football debate unlike some of the journalists (English, Spiers) and other pundits (Sutton).

The yams are absolutely raging and still haven't come to terms with May 21st 2016. I would fear for the yam wellbeing if we ended up retaining the Scottish Cup....or even if we knocked them out AGAIN for the 3rd time in 4 years.

HoboHarry
08-01-2017, 08:07 PM
Hearts and Aberdeen are very close.

My grandfather who is a Rangers man through and through remembers the Hibs golden era and at the time says Hibs were comfortably seen as the third biggest in Scotland...and potentially the biggest. Sadly, we never really kicked on but when he talks about this era he seems confuzzled on how Hibs failed to capitalise on such a period.
No they aren't. In the last 50 years (which is longer than Preston has been alive) Hearts have won three major trophies and Aberdeen have won 16, two of which were at European level. If Preston truly believes that then he has plumbed uncharted depths of stupidity.

Dibben
08-01-2017, 08:09 PM
No they aren't. In the last 50 years (which is longer than Preston has been alive) Hearts have won three major trophies and Aberdeen have won 16, two of which were at European level. If Preston truly believes that then he has plumbed uncharted depths of stupidity.

He truly believes it.

Typical Yam!!

cleanyman
08-01-2017, 08:13 PM
No they aren't. In the last 50 years (which is longer than Preston has been alive) Hearts have won three major trophies and Aberdeen have won 16, two of which were at European level. If Preston truly believes that then he has plumbed uncharted depths of stupidity.

Who cares about the past FIFTY years

Past 20 maybe but fifty?

Come on

lapsedhibee
08-01-2017, 08:17 PM
Who cares about the past FIFTY years

Past 20 maybe but fifty?

Come on
Yams' obsessive interest in trophies has traditionally gone back as far as 1902, so 50 years is not too long a window imo.

HoboHarry
08-01-2017, 08:17 PM
Who cares about the past FIFTY years

Past 20 maybe but fifty?

Come on
Seriously? What happened more than 20 years ago doesn't matter? Aye right.....

dchibs
08-01-2017, 08:18 PM
When whatshisname said Hearts were a bigger team Richard Gordon was literally speechless......said it all.

They are a bigger team though Potter dosnt sign players unless they are over six feet eight.

Sioux
08-01-2017, 08:22 PM
What is the definition of bigness?

Nottm Forest won two European cups? Are they bigger clubs than Arsenal or Chelsea or even Everton for that matter?

Wimbledon won an FA cup. Are they bigger than anyone at all?

Is a big club one with a traditionally large fan base, irrespective of how many trophies they have won? Are Rangers and Celtic really as big as they claim to be, bearing in mind they play in a predominately weak league set up? (Ignoring the fact that their support is drawn from non-geographical base).

If the Scottish clubs had been integrated within a British league set up would anyone here in Scotland even consider referring to any Scottish club as big? Even the halfwits at the other side of town couldn't come out with that nonsense.

So many questions so few answers.

I doubt anyone could come up with a definitive objective, rather than subjective, test.

:greengrin

cleanyman
08-01-2017, 08:22 PM
Seriously? What happened more than 20 years ago doesn't matter? Aye right.....

10...5...whatever

Aberdeen have won what...2 league cups in 25 years? Add a terrible average finish in the league along with attendances that were below both Hibs and Hearts for a period and an incredible winless record at Hampden and I think you have a draw.

No way can anyway say Aberdeen are a bigger club than Hearts...or Hibs for that matter

I'm calling a draw

HoboHarry
08-01-2017, 08:25 PM
10...5...whatever

Aberdeen have won what...2 league cups in 25 years? Add a terrible average finish in the league along with attendances that were below both Hibs and Hearts for a period and an incredible winless record at Hampden and I think you have a draw.

No way can anyway say Aberdeen are a bigger club than Hearts...or Hibs for that matter

I'm calling a draw
Call it what you want - I think you are profoundly wrong but there you are. Opinions.........

cleanyman
08-01-2017, 08:26 PM
Call it what you want - I think you are profoundly wrong but there you are. Opinions.........

O.....K

inglisavhibs
08-01-2017, 08:28 PM
No they aren't. In the last 50 years (which is longer than Preston has been alive) Hearts have won three major trophies and Aberdeen have won 16, two of which were at European level. If Preston truly believes that then he has plumbed uncharted depths of stupidity.
Two of these three were won with blatant cheating. To me they have only won one trophy in 50 years, but they are a huge club of course and very famous!

O'Rourke3
08-01-2017, 08:29 PM
Aberdeen no matter what anyone thinks. I'm also pretty sure they've never been out of the top league.... The team at the top are no more though



Rank
Club
League
SC
LC
UCL
UEL
CWC
USC
Total
Last Trophy


1
Rangers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.)
54
33
27
0
0
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_European_Cup_Winners%27_Cup_Final)
0
115
2010–11 Scottish Premier League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Scottish_Premier_League)


2
Celtic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.)
47
36
16
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_European_Cup_Final)
0
0
0
100
2016–17 Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Scottish_League_Cup)


3
Aberdeen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_F.C.)
4
7
6
0
0
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_European_Cup_Winners%27_Cup_Final)
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_European_Super_Cup)
19
2013–14 Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Scottish_League_Cup)


4
Heart of Midlothian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.)
4
8
4
0
0
0
0
16
2011–12 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Scottish_Cup)


5
Hibernian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernian_F.C.)
4
3
3
0
0
0
0
10
2015–16 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Scottish_Cup)


5
Queen's Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Park_F.C.)
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
10
1892–93 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892%E2%80%9393_Scottish_Cup)

HoboHarry
08-01-2017, 08:30 PM
Two of these three were won with blatant cheating. To me they have only won one trophy in 50 years, but they are a huge club of course and very famous!
In their own empty heads maybe........:greengrin

cleanyman
08-01-2017, 08:32 PM
Aberdeen no matter what anyone thinks. I'm also pretty sure they've never been out of the top league.... The team at the top are no more though



Rank
Club
League
SC
LC
UCL
UEL
CWC
USC
Total
Last Trophy


1
Rangers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.)
54
33
27
0
0
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_European_Cup_Winners%27_Cup_Final)
0
115
2010–11 Scottish Premier League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Scottish_Premier_League)


2
Celtic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.)
47
36
16
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_European_Cup_Final)
0
0
0
100
2016–17 Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Scottish_League_Cup)


3
Aberdeen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_F.C.)
4
7
6
0
0
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_European_Cup_Winners%27_Cup_Final)
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_European_Super_Cup)
19
2013–14 Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Scottish_League_Cup)


4
Heart of Midlothian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.)
4
8
4
0
0
0
0
16
2011–12 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Scottish_Cup)


5
Hibernian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernian_F.C.)
4
3
3
0
0
0
0
10
2015–16 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Scottish_Cup)


5
Queen's Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Park_F.C.)
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
10
1892–93 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892%E2%80%9393_Scottish_Cup)





Great.

So Queens Park are the same size as Hibs

...

CallumLaidlaw
08-01-2017, 08:33 PM
Aberdeen have never won a World War.


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HoboHarry
08-01-2017, 08:36 PM
Aberdeen have never won a World War.


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:faf: :not worth

Bostonhibby
08-01-2017, 08:38 PM
A who can piss the highest competition in the playground by the sounds of it. I'd suggest the winner is the one with the driest head.

Gordon should have planted him one on behalf of the rest of the world.

Neither have any modern day claims to anything outstanding so the Dons edge it for me as they have far less to be ashamed of.

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we are hibs
08-01-2017, 08:39 PM
Both men are absolute arsewipes. But Aberdeen are blatantly a bigger club than hearts.

SlickShoes
08-01-2017, 08:45 PM
Great.

So Queens Park are the same size as Hibs

...

Bigger probably, they even have the corners of their stadium filled in.....

Dashing Bob S
08-01-2017, 08:48 PM
City clubs tend to have pretty much the same potential. Sectarianism has distorted this is Scotland with the OF, but it pretty much holds true. Any club in a population centre with investment in stadia and personnel will do well, as people follow winning sides, and all the more so if they are local. Hibs support has increased 50% since the winning of Scottish Cup after 114 years brought glory to the club, and changed the perception of us from lovable losers, to a big club of huge potential (in the Scottish context at any rate.)

For what it's worth, I think Hibs, Hearts and A'deen are pretty much at a similar level. If nitpicking, I would rate Hibs as bit bigger than Hearts. They have had thirty years of financial doping that has distorted the picture, but our support benefited from the club being big in the postwar era when more people went to games. We've always, on the bigger occasions, drawn much larger crowds than Hearts.

Babyshamble
08-01-2017, 08:58 PM
Listen to sportsound when I don't go to away games due to work etc.its getting better now.tam macmanus is superb on it.richard Gordon is a bell end.alan Preston really doesn't bother me that much.

Bobo
08-01-2017, 09:01 PM
In the last 10 years have Hearts have won 1 Scottish Cup and been runners up in the League cup once.

Aberdeen haven't been involved in a Scottish Cup final in that time but have won 1 League Cup and been runners up once.

Hibs have won both trophies and been runners up twice in the Scottish Cup and once in the League Cup during the same period so does that make us better?

Stats can be made to look any way you want. It's not how clubs and their supporters perceive themselves but how others do that determines reputations IMO.

NadeAteMyLunch!
08-01-2017, 09:01 PM
Is there fans of any other club who are so obsessed with talking about their size? It's just weird. You would never hear a Man Utd or Liverpool fan constantly trying to convince folk that they are a 'big club' or 'famous' because, well because they are. So cringy.

BoomtownHibees
08-01-2017, 09:03 PM
Is there fans of any other club who are so obsessed with talking about their size? It's just weird. You would never hear a Man Utd or Liverpool fan constantly trying to convince folk that they are a 'big club' or 'famous' because, well because they are. So cringy.

Leeds

NadeAteMyLunch!
08-01-2017, 09:04 PM
Leeds

At least they were famous at one point though. Hearts have never been famous beyond the West end of Princes street.

BoomtownHibees
08-01-2017, 09:07 PM
At least they were famous at one point though. Hearts have never been famous beyond the West end of Princes street.

Correct

O'Rourke3
08-01-2017, 09:10 PM
Great.

So Queens Park are the same size as Hibs

...
I'd say once were far bigger and we would have aspired to be as good. We are in a group of 3 teams who are clearly better than most over a longer period.

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ekhibee
08-01-2017, 09:12 PM
Difficult one. If we're going on highest ever crowd attendances, Hearts had a higher one than Aberdeen, and we had a higher one than both of them. The Hearts one is actually open to debate, because it was played at Murrayfield against Barcelona (57k), not Tynecastle, and somewhat ironically, Aberdeen's highest attendance was against Hearts in a cup game in 1954 (45k). our highest attendance was also against Hearts (65k) in 1950. Before their 'home' game against Barcelona, their highest attendance was 49k.

Dr Jimmy
08-01-2017, 09:23 PM
Is there fans of any other club who are so obsessed with talking about their size? It's just weird. You would never hear a Man Utd or Liverpool fan constantly trying to convince folk that they are a 'big club' or 'famous' because, well because they are. So cringy.

Totally agree. Cringey as ****. Wee tadger syndrome is all the rage down tynie way.......

lucky
08-01-2017, 09:36 PM
I'd say Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are all about the same size club. Roughly the same size of support, all 3 have had some cup success in recent years and had league success in our distant histories but are nowhere near catching the Old Firm

JPrinty
08-01-2017, 09:44 PM
I'd say Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are all about the same size club. Roughly the same size of support, all 3 have had some cup success in recent years and had league success in our distant histories but are nowhere near catching the Old Firm

Agree with this. Although we may not have won as many trophies we have been in more finals than Hearts and close to Aberdeen's total. Also got a better record than Hearts in europe

Joe6-2
08-01-2017, 10:01 PM
Hearts and Aberdeen are very close.

My grandfather who is a Rangers man through and through remembers the Hibs golden era and at the time says Hibs were comfortably seen as the third biggest in Scotland...and potentially the biggest. Sadly, we never really kicked on but when he talks about this era he seems confuzzled on how Hibs failed to capitalise on such a period.

Aren't we all

heretoday
08-01-2017, 10:04 PM
Pointless argument really.

pacorosssco
08-01-2017, 11:54 PM
In the last 10 years have Hearts have won 1 Scottish Cup and been runners up in the League cup once.

Aberdeen haven't been involved in a Scottish Cup final in that time but have won 1 League Cup and been runners up once.

Hibs have won both trophies and been runners up twice in the Scottish Cup and once in the League Cup during the same period so does that make us better?

Stats can be made to look any way you want. It's not how clubs and their supporters perceive themselves but how others do that determines reputations IMO.

Yes great cup team in period hibs and stats easy to sway. In league though over a season think were bottom from three. Dons and them finished above us. Yet head to heads not much in
I dont have to hand but recon on top v dons games v each other but enough behind them sadly.

All clubs similar. Are main rivals and is aim to finish ahead of year in year out. Jambos are size mad and many dons still think fergie in charge but why not what a time for club and last decent challenge to old firm

HUTCHYHIBBY
09-01-2017, 12:16 AM
Yes great cup team in period hibs and stats easy to sway. In league though over a season think were bottom from three. Dons and them finished above us. Yet head to heads not much in
I dont have to hand but recon on top v dons games v each other but enough behind them sadly.

All clubs similar. Are main rivals and is aim to finish ahead of year in year out. Jambos are size mad and many dons still think fergie in charge but why not what a time for club and last decent challenge to old firm

Eh?

HoboHarry
09-01-2017, 12:30 AM
Yes great cup team in period hibs and stats easy to sway. In league though over a season think were bottom from three. Dons and them finished above us. Yet head to heads not much in
I dont have to hand but recon on top v dons games v each other but enough behind them sadly.

All clubs similar. Are main rivals and is aim to finish ahead of year in year out. Jambos are size mad and many dons still think fergie in charge but why not what a time for club and last decent challenge to old firm
Think you forget to include a link to the deciphering code?

Jim44
09-01-2017, 12:38 AM
:tee hee:
Think you forget to include a link to the deciphering code?

:tee hee:

tamig
09-01-2017, 01:05 AM
:tee hee:

:tee hee:

Not trying to be smart but I don't think English is paco's first language.

AgentDaleCooper
09-01-2017, 02:08 AM
what the hell does 'big' even mean. cultural significance, maybe? if so, i think hearts probably win, simply because they are part of the capital city derby, which is an institution in itself. aberdeen could have exploded into a massive force in the 80s, but they didn't, and as things stand, they barely manage to half fill their stadium most weeks even though they've been as close as anyone other than the old firm has been to challenging for the league - seems like even their own city aren't all that arsed. that said, maybe all they need is a scottish cup win - did wonders for us! anyway...it really doesn't matter, and is at best a vaguely interesting thing to consider for 5 minutes before being dismissed as pointless.

jgl07
09-01-2017, 02:12 AM
Great.

So Queens Park are the same size as Hibs

...
They have a bigger stadium!

mjhibby
09-01-2017, 07:41 AM
If they are arguing about what amounts to an opinion, then that would back up what I have always said about how amateurish the Scottish commentators and co-commentators are compared to their English counterparts. Regardless of what you think about them, you just do not hear Gary Neville, Graeme Le Saux etc etc involving themselves in such moronic discussions.....

Totally agree. I stopped listening to it as it sounded likes fans arguing in the pub. It's is so amateurish and Gordon comes out with so much twaddle it's unreal. As for having Preston covering hibs games. To think we pay for it through the licence fee.

JimBHibees
09-01-2017, 07:45 AM
Totally agree. I stopped listening to it as it sounded likes fans arguing in the pub. It's is so amateurish and Gordon comes out with so much twaddle it's unreal. As for having Preston covering hibs games. To think we pay for it through the licence fee.

Couldnt agree more that is a shocker that is allowed to happen, his open contempt for Hibs compromises his neutrality. Just done to wind Hibs fans up, as you say amateurish. Was Gordon, the one that came out with the karma comment when Hibs went down? Has he ever explained what he meant by that?

blackpoolhibs
09-01-2017, 07:46 AM
What a daft argument, all 3 clubs are very similar, and all 3 at any particular time could pull in more folk through the gates than the other.

Aberdeen have certainly won most, and i personally would have loved it if we'd done what they did in the 80's.

Those days are over for them, and its something thats never returning. If all 3 clubs are fighting for 2nd place in the SPL or whatever its called these days, we are all getting similar crowds with very little between us.

JimBHibees
09-01-2017, 07:48 AM
What a daft argument, all 3 clubs are very similar, and all 3 at any particular time could pull in more folk through the gates than the other.

Aberdeen have certainly won most, and i personally would have loved it if we'd done what they did in the 80's.

Those days are over for them, and its something thats never returning. If all 3 clubs are fighting for 2nd place in the SPL or whatever its called these days, we are all getting similar crowds with very little between us.

Yep 2 or 3 baldmen arguing over a comb. :greengrin

mjhibby
09-01-2017, 07:51 AM
It's funny we had the biggest attendance at the pbs lastseason v the saintees and the utd attendance will be the biggest attendances of the two this season. More interested in getting as many as possible to hibs games to help the club and sign good players and am not bothered that we have had the top attendance the last two seasons. They really are the weirdest bunch of Neanderthals and after ripping up their songbook they will be grief stricken at the utd Attendance. Poor wee lambs.

mjhibby
09-01-2017, 07:56 AM
Couldnt agree more that is a shocker that is allowed to happen, his open contempt for Hibs compromises his neutrality. Just done to wind Hibs fans up, as you say amateurish. Was Gordon, the one that came out with the karma comment when Hibs went down? Has he ever explained what he meant by that?

Doesn't have to explain anything as that comment summed up the programme perfectly. A totally nonsensical,inappropriate comment that shows what he truly is. A bell end. Or as Blackadder would have said,a bounder and a Rotter although I will stop short of saying he deserves to be shot.

Nakedmanoncrack
09-01-2017, 07:56 AM
What is the definition of bigness?

Nottm Forest won two European cups? Are they bigger clubs than Arsenal or Chelsea or even Everton for that matter?

Wimbledon won an FA cup. Are they bigger than anyone at all?

Is a big club one with a traditionally large fan base, irrespective of how many trophies they have won? Are Rangers and Celtic really as big as they claim to be, bearing in mind they play in a predominately weak league set up? (Ignoring the fact that their support is drawn from non-geographical base).

If the Scottish clubs had been integrated within a British league set up would anyone here in Scotland even consider referring to any Scottish club as big? Even the halfwits at the other side of town couldn't come out with that nonsense.

So many questions so few answers.

I doubt anyone could come up with a definitive objective, rather than subjective, test.

:greengrin

I see both Hearts and Hibs as bigger than Aberdeen, though Aberdeen are clearly more successful in terms of trophys won.

Captain Trips
09-01-2017, 09:42 AM
The term" ya couple of fannies" springs to mind.

Bostonhibby
09-01-2017, 09:51 AM
Aberdeen fans probably want to be "big" and probably spend a bit of time thinking about it.

Yams fans have to be "big" because of their misguided belief that sometime somewhere they were "big" and there's been pressure to maintain that belief since at least when Mercer was trying to expand them into something "big" with other peoples money in the form of bank loans way back then.

J-C
09-01-2017, 09:58 AM
Just having a Look at Aberdeen on Wiki and the thing I do notice that they had a wee bit of success in the 30's and the 50's but it wasn't until the investment from the oil industry into the club in the late 70's that the majority of their success started, take out the oil money and they wouldn't have the successful history they have had.

Stokesy's on fire
09-01-2017, 10:13 AM
Richard Gordon is a joke his comments are typical of the deluded sheep. Aberdeen FC are a bang average club and as for Preston...

neil7908
09-01-2017, 11:08 AM
Bald men arguing over a comb.

Now there is some distance between us winning the cup I've been thinking a lot about Scottish football and I'm more sure than ever that we need to get rid of Rantic.

Look at how our support has picked up when they have a chance to see us winning trophies and competing for league titles.

We sold out the home end of ER for a mid season game in the Scottish second tier against Dundee United FFS!

Can you imagine the clamour for tickets if we were facing Hearts or Aberdeen at home in a game to decide the SPL title?

Football fans talk about loyalty a lot but the truth is winning teams attract more fans. That's why Scottish football is dying in its current form, big clubs like Hibs, the Dons and Hearts will only ever be able to achieve a modicum of success domestically before the ugly sisters reassert themselves.

A truly competitive league is a must for Scotland to grow both domestically and internationally.

Deansy
09-01-2017, 12:56 PM
Aberdeen no matter what anyone thinks. I'm also pretty sure they've never been out of the top league.... The team at the top are no more though



Rank
Club
League
SC
LC
UCL
UEL
CWC
USC
Total
Last Trophy


1
Rangers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.)
54
33
27
0
0
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_European_Cup_Winners%27_Cup_Final)
0
115
2010–11 Scottish Premier League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Scottish_Premier_League)


2
Celtic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.)
47
36
16
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_European_Cup_Final)
0
0
0
100
2016–17 Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Scottish_League_Cup)


3
Aberdeen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_F.C.)
4
7
6
0
0
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_European_Cup_Winners%27_Cup_Final)
1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_European_Super_Cup)
19
2013–14 Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Scottish_League_Cup)


4
Heart of Midlothian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.)
4
8
4
0
0
0
0
16
2011–12 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Scottish_Cup)


5
Hibernian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernian_F.C.)
4
3
3
0
0
0
0
10
2015–16 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Scottish_Cup)


5
Queen's Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Park_F.C.)
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
10
1892–93 Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892%E2%80%9393_Scottish_Cup)




No.4 should have * next to it marked as 'Subject to change once Romanov's caught - also possible Mercer and Robinson's time of ownerships may be investigated because if one's been naughty .....................'

O'Rourke3
09-01-2017, 12:58 PM
No.4 should have * next to it marked as 'Subject to change once Romanov's caught - also possible Mercer and Robinson's time of ownerships may be investigated because if one's been naughty .....................'

Indeed....

sauzeelegod
09-01-2017, 12:58 PM
Bald men arguing over a comb.

Now there is some distance between us winning the cup I've been thinking a lot about Scottish football and I'm more sure than ever that we need to get rid of Rantic.

Look at how our support has picked up when they have a chance to see us winning trophies and competing for league titles.

We sold out the home end of ER for a mid season game in the Scottish second tier against Dundee United FFS!

Can you imagine the clamour for tickets if we were facing Hearts or Aberdeen at home in a game to decide the SPL title?

Football fans talk about loyalty a lot but the truth is winning teams attract more fans. That's why Scottish football is dying in its current form, big clubs like Hibs, the Dons and Hearts will only ever be able to achieve a modicum of success domestically before the ugly sisters reassert themselves.

A truly competitive league is a must for Scotland to grow both domestically and internationally.

Totally agree

Jim44
09-01-2017, 01:33 PM
Not trying to be smart but I don't think English is paco's first language.

That being the case, I apologise to paco. I don't make a habit of picking up on weak English or mocking it but my response was a spontaneous reaction to Hoboharry's post.

Super_JMcGinn
09-01-2017, 01:47 PM
What a daft argument, all 3 clubs are very similar, and all 3 at any particular time could pull in more folk through the gates than the other.

Aberdeen have certainly won most, and i personally would have loved it if we'd done what they did in the 80's.

Those days are over for them, and its something thats never returning. If all 3 clubs are fighting for 2nd place in the SPL or whatever its called these days, we are all getting similar crowds with very little between us.

In terms of trophies won the dons shade it from our neebors.

In terms of fan base, historically our neebors win that argument hands down, mainly due to their catchment area and I would say we were ahead of the dons on that score.

If all 3 were challenging we would only get the same crowds because of stadium capacity as it is.

If we had done what they did in the 80's we would be playing in a 30000 all seated stadium long ago.

If romance style and history were a factor we would win hands down.

tamig
09-01-2017, 04:51 PM
That being the case, I apologise to paco. I don't make a habit of picking up on weak English or mocking it but my response was a spontaneous reaction to Hoboharry's post.

No probs Jim.

Carheenlea
09-01-2017, 06:45 PM
As an aside, I was catching up today on the Sportsound podcast from Friday night's game, and instead of Richard Gordon, the host was Geoff Webster. His style is quite old school, but a refreshing change from Richard Gordon, and one I'd like to be seen given more airtime when covering live events. Pundits were Tam McManus and Ryan McGowan, with McGowan in particular surprising me by coming across as a likeable guy (for a former Hearts player). Both spoke well on the match without any theatrics, and with Tom English contributing with interesting analysis, the BBC proved they can put out very good radio coverage of football when they have the headphones on the better broadcasters.
The guys like Alan Preston need to be put out to pasture if the quality of the programme is to improve on a more consistent basis.

Galahibby
09-01-2017, 08:55 PM
I didn't realise Preston was Yogi's cousin til they mentioned it on Off the Ball on Saturday. Who knew?! (that was rhetorical - I'm assuming everyone but me knew 😏)

JimBHibees
09-01-2017, 09:29 PM
I didn't realise Preston was Yogi's cousin til they mentioned it on Off the Ball on Saturday. Who knew?! (that was rhetorical - I'm assuming everyone but me knew 😏)

One Rangers fan one Celtic fan apparently. :greengrin

SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
09-01-2017, 09:34 PM
I didn't realise Preston was Yogi's cousin til they mentioned it on Off the Ball on Saturday. Who knew?! (that was rhetorical - I'm assuming everyone but me knew 😏)

I always thought they were brothers-in-law?

So i didnt know either!

SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
09-01-2017, 09:39 PM
Ive always thought, us the dons and the hearts are much of a muchness, with factors at play at the time affecting who is on top. I wouldnt claim any is bigger than the other historically.

The dons are the most successfull though, two european trophies trumps a lot i would say, a feat that will never be repeated bu us or hearts.

On europe, i think hearts lag way behind both us amd the dons.

Leavue titles are the same, although hearts have won the fewest in 'modern' times i think.

Cups we are obviously miles behind, but cup finals we are about equal, and recent times we knock the socks off of both in cups.

Dunno about crowds, but hibs have higher record crowd by some distance of the three, and are only one to average over 30k in a season (i think).

northstandhibby
09-01-2017, 10:18 PM
Ive always thought, us the dons and the hearts are much of a muchness, with factors at play at the time affecting who is on top. I wouldnt claim any is bigger than the other historically.

The dons are the most successfull though, two european trophies trumps a lot i would say, a feat that will never be repeated bu us or hearts.

On europe, i think hearts lag way behind both us amd the dons.

Leavue titles are the same, although hearts have won the fewest in 'modern' times i think.

Cups we are obviously miles behind, but cup finals we are about equal, and recent times we knock the socks off of both in cups.

Dunno about crowds, but hibs have higher record crowd by some distance of the three, and are only one to average over 30k in a season (i think).

Excellent post bud. Got me thinking of our own past european exploits. The dons were very lucky indeed to acquire a fantastic team in the early eighties which is when they achieved their european glory.

However it was our club that was at the forefront of the european adventures in the very early fifties as you will very probably know already.

We were invited to participate as the first british club to play in the european cup in 1955/56 because of our prestige at that time. We went on to compete to the semi final stage which is a monumental achievement for our club and was a proud moment for Scottish Football.

We since went on to have a number of memorable results on our european journeys beating Barcelona and Napoli and many other notable victories.

So I would say there is possibly a case for our club having the better overall european history than the dons and of course the Yams because of our many adventures and the prestige of being the first ever british club to participate in the european cup.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sportscotland/asportingnation/article/0043/print.shtml

A decent article by the BBC on the earlier history of scottish clubs in europe.

Glory Glory

ancient hibee
09-01-2017, 10:32 PM
It was undoubtedly an accolade to be invited to take part in the first European Cup but I don't think winning two ties to get into the semi final can really be considered as being ahead of Aberdeen's achievements.

northstandhibby
09-01-2017, 10:39 PM
It was undoubtedly an accolade to be invited to take part in the first European Cup but I don't think winning two ties to get into the semi final can really be considered as being ahead of Aberdeen's achievements.

Tbf to myself I did say our overall european adventures and notable victories and not just the two ties to get to the semi-final.

Aberdeen's achievements were done by more luck of having one gifted set of footballers set against our many years of participation.

Albeit it was a marvelous achievement by that dons team for sure.

Glory Glory

O'Rourke3
09-01-2017, 10:43 PM
Aberdeen's achievements were done by more luck of having one gifted set of footballers set against our many years of participation.


More to do with the gifted manager and the Club Chairman no? That team didn't just happen by chance. I agree with the point though :greengrin:

ancient hibee
09-01-2017, 10:46 PM
You did but to be honest I don't feel that great games but eventual losses are the same as winning.I thought after beating Barcelona we had a great chance although it was by no means one of our best teams but we were let down by the board over the third Roma game.Where Abe deen benefitted was in having a succession of good managers who built the team up over a number of years.

northstandhibby
09-01-2017, 10:46 PM
More to do with the gifted manager and the Club Chairman no? That team didn't just happen by chance. I agree with the point though :greengrin:

When you put it like that I probably could have worded it a bit better.

:greengrin

jabis
09-01-2017, 10:47 PM
10...5...whatever

Aberdeen have won what...2 league cups in 25 years? Add a terrible average finish in the league along with attendances that were below both Hibs and Hearts for a period and an incredible winless record at Hampden and I think you have a draw.

No way can anyway say Aberdeen are a bigger club than Hearts...or Hibs for that matter

I'm calling a draw

🎶and if you know your history...

northstandhibby
09-01-2017, 11:00 PM
You did but to be honest I don't feel that great games but eventual losses are the same as winning.I thought after beating Barcelona we had a great chance although it was by no means one of our best teams but we were let down by the board over the third Roma game.Where Abe deen benefitted was in having a succession of good managers who built the team up over a number of years.

Fair do's ancient.

:flag:

SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
10-01-2017, 07:07 AM
Excellent post bud. Got me thinking of our own past european exploits. The dons were very lucky indeed to acquire a fantastic team in the early eighties which is when they achieved their european glory.

However it was our club that was at the forefront of the european adventures in the very early fifties as you will very probably know already.

We were invited to participate as the first british club to play in the european cup in 1955/56 because of our prestige at that time. We went on to compete to the semi final stage which is a monumental achievement for our club and was a proud moment for Scottish Football.

We since went on to have a number of memorable results on our european journeys beating Barcelona and Napoli and many other notable victories.

So I would say there is possibly a case for our club having the better overall european history than the dons and of course the Yams because of our many adventures and the prestige of being the first ever british club to participate in the european cup.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sportscotland/asportingnation/article/0043/print.shtml

A decent article by the BBC on the earlier history of scottish clubs in europe.

Glory Glory


Cheers for the link mate.

Here is another, and presumably a fairly objective view, from one of the best papers around for football coverage.

Really does put the Famous Five's exploits into come context.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/feb/26/joy-of-six-matches-never-were

northstandhibby
10-01-2017, 10:00 AM
Cheers for the link mate.

Here is another, and presumably a fairly objective view, from one of the best papers around for football coverage.

Really does put the Famous Five's exploits into come context.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/feb/26/joy-of-six-matches-never-were

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/feb/26/joy-of-six-matches-never-were

Excellent read.

Loved the quote from Gordon Smith who was sure we would have won the european cup, but for it coming just a couple of years too late.

70 000 at his testimonial against Man Utd and us winning 7-3.

What a team!!!

:aok:

SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
10-01-2017, 11:30 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/feb/26/joy-of-six-matches-never-were

Excellent read.

Loved the quote from Gordon Smith who was sure we would have won the european cup, but for it coming just a couple of years too late.

70 000 at his testimonial against Man Utd and us winning 7-3.

What a team!!!

:aok:

Sometimes makes you regret the timea you now live in!

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10-01-2017, 11:40 AM
Sometimes makes you regret the time you now live in!


Fair to say that in the late 40's and early 50's Hibs had a great team and were a club with all the potential to become a great football club - if things had worked out differently.

Might even have come again in the 60's with better management.

But for most of my lifetime Hibs have been a middle-range Scottish club ill-run and serially under-performing.

In 50 years I've seen Hibs win the Scottish Cup ONCE, the League Cup THREE times, and the Scottish First Division title (when it was really the SECOND Division title - an entirely unwanted honour) TWICE. Plus how many depressing, dire, embarrassing LOSING performances at Hampden in finals and semi-finals?

Dunno why I still support them .... :devil:

Earlydelivery
10-01-2017, 11:47 AM
I'm in my middle 50s , and just like to add that turnbull's tornadoes where the best Scottish team I'd ever seen never to win a championship .

Just Jimmy
10-01-2017, 01:19 PM
We're Hibernian FC and we're the Scottish Cup holders. I'm 31 and I've seen us win it.

No one is better than us. Maybe bigger but no one is a better club.

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High-On-Hibs
10-01-2017, 01:26 PM
Comparing those 2 is like comparing 2 jobbies. One may be slightly larger than the other, but they both stink up the place all the same.

Bostonhibby
10-01-2017, 03:04 PM
Comparing those 2 is like comparing 2 jobbies. One may be slightly larger than the other, but they both stink up the place all the same.
[emoji1] [emoji106]

Are you thinking ones a big steaming curly pile like a big alsatian dug leaves on the pavement whilst the other one is a long streaky beige coloured one that you tend to find in the rough on the golf course?

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Green-Hibee-7
10-01-2017, 03:20 PM
Why would you want to be arguing about who's third biggest in one of the worst football leagues in the world - cringe.

For what it's worth I see Hearts as a bigger club than Aberdeen.

End of the day the biggest club will be defined on who you support if your a Hibs fan you'll say Hibs, if your hearts you will say hearts.

There's pretty much nowt between all three in current times other than a couple thousand extra at games.

johncrobertson@
10-01-2017, 03:44 PM
Preston really is not worth talking about, he is the worst of the worst in terms of sports broadcasting. Has anyone noticed that when him and Uncle Fester Houston talk about us, it is never Hibs, it is always Hibernian. It seems very formal, and it's to show they are not in any way close to the Hibees. Preston has said a lot of things about our club, where he should have been taken to task by his employers. Unlikely to ever happen in the cliquey world they live in! I just don't listen to them as they an embarrassment to Scottish Football.

mjhibby
11-01-2017, 08:37 PM
Preston really is not worth talking about, he is the worst of the worst in terms of sports broadcasting. Has anyone noticed that when him and Uncle Fester Houston talk about us, it is never Hibs, it is always Hibernian. It seems very formal, and it's to show they are not in any way close to the Hibees. Preston has said a lot of things about our club, where he should have been taken to task by his employers. Unlikely to ever happen in the cliquey world they live in! I just don't listen to them as they an embarrassment to Scottish Football.

Funnily enough Preston is ok to speak to but when he gets on the radio his lack of balance and professionalism shine through. Sad that sportsound has become so bad as I didn't mind it when traynor was in charge.

O'Rourke3
11-01-2017, 08:42 PM
Funnily enough Preston is ok to speak to but when he gets on the radio his lack of balance and professionalism shine through. Sad that sportsound has become so bad as I didn't mind it when traynor was in charge.

When was Jabba in charge of Sportsound? He was in charge of the phone-in now replaced by Off the ball