"Queens" ""speech"""

[BullsCloseHibs]

Wish it'd be the last. FFS

[Ryan69]

I still wonder how this bunch of imposters have no link DNA wise to King Richard III.

Thought it was a Royal Bloodline????

[Hibbyradge]

Queen's.

[HappyHanlon]

Lizards.

Only thing they're good for is a day off when one of them dies.

[Scouse Hibee]

Lizards.

Only thing they're good for is a day off when one of them dies.

Yes especially Harry and William who have never lifted a finger to help others!

[CropleyWasGod]

I still wonder how this bunch of imposters have no link DNA wise to King Richard III.

Thought it was a Royal Bloodline????
There have been many different dynasties since the Plantagenets ended with Richard III

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[Pretty Boy]

Wish it'd be the last. FFS

I think it probably will be.

Unfortunately with hereditary privilege she will just be replaced by another.

[Ryan69]

There have been many different dynasties since the Plantagenets ended with Richard III

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So if they have a different bloodline...how do they have royal blood?

[beensaidbefore]

So if they have a different bloodline...how do they have royal blood?

There were/are several royal bloodlines.

The Stuarts were another bloodline. Read up on the Jacobite's to see how one line can be superseded by another.

[hibsbollah]

Is there still a known descendant of the old Scottish Kings kicking around today? Duncan Canmore or whoever it was in the 11 th C was the one I remember?

[RyeSloan]

Yes especially Harry and William who have never lifted a finger to help others!

William has spent the last 8 years as either a RAF search and rescue pilot or an air ambulance pilot so I would suggest he has probably helped quite a few 'others' along the way.

Not sure what Harry has been up to though...

Not a fan of the royals but I find the constant criticism rather tiring as well to be honest.

[beensaidbefore]

William has spent the last 8 years as either a RAF search and rescue pilot or an air ambulance pilot so I would suggest he has probably helped quite a few 'others' along the way.

Not sure what Harry has been up to though...

Not a fan of the royals but I find the constant criticism rather tiring as well to be honest.

I took the remark to be tongue in cheek for the very reason you pointed out. Could be wrong though.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

William has spent the last 8 years as either a RAF search and rescue pilot or an air ambulance pilot so I would suggest he has probably helped quite a few 'others' along the way.

Not sure what Harry has been up to though...

Not a fan of the royals but I find the constant criticism rather tiring as well to be honest.

Harry does a lot of work with injured servicemen through the Help the Heroes charity and speaks very well about it on TV. From a quick look on Wikipedi he's involved in a few worthwhile causes. I think he and William conduct themselves well and are extremely patient with the media given what happened to their mum and some of the stories that are printed about their family.

Overall I'm quite indifferent to the royals but I think most of the main ones earn their keep. They could probably do with streamlining and losing some of the hangers on though.

[johnbc70]

I took the remark to be tongue in cheek for the very reason you pointed out. Could be wrong though.

Yes I did think the same but not sure. Harry has served in Iraq and Afghanistan on active duty, I am not sure if he was ever in any real danger but you have to respect him for that. They are also very active in raising awareness of mental health, which is something that our nation has overlooked for far to long.

I am not a royalist but as people they do more good than bad.

[Scouse Hibee]

William has spent the last 8 years as either a RAF search and rescue pilot or an air ambulance pilot so I would suggest he has probably helped quite a few 'others' along the way.

Not sure what Harry has been up to though...

Not a fan of the royals but I find the constant criticism rather tiring as well to be honest.

It was tongue in cheek given that they have both done so much to help others.

[Scouse Hibee]

I took the remark to be tongue in cheek for the very reason you pointed out. Could be wrong though.

Correct.

[CropleyWasGod]

So if they have a different bloodline...how do they have royal blood?
There's no such thing as "royal blood ". The family in power have always been exactly that....a family who have power.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

There's no such thing as "royal blood ". The family in power have always been exactly that....a family who have power.

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:top marks

[heretoday]

Harry does a lot of work with injured servicemen through the Help the Heroes charity and speaks very well about it on TV. From a quick look on Wikipedi he's involved in a few worthwhile causes. I think he and William conduct themselves well and are extremely patient with the media given what happened to their mum and some of the stories that are printed about their family.

Overall I'm quite indifferent to the royals but I think most of the main ones earn their keep. They could probably do with streamlining and losing some of the hangers on though.

My thoughts too.

[RyeSloan]

It was tongue in cheek given that they have both done so much to help others.

Ahh sorry I was clearly a bit too literal there (a bad habit of mine I think!) but maybe the tone of the rest of the thread to that coloured my perception, well that's my excuse anyway [emoji12]

[Colr]

There's no such thing as "royal blood ". The family in power have always been exactly that....a family who have power.

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You'll be saying their blood's not blue next!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Load of medieval nonsense .... bin the lot of them.

[ronaldo7]

When you wake up in the morning, and your life's planned out for you, it can't be all that good.:rolleyes: On the other hand they've never had to get in line for food or benefits like the millions of their subjects.

Bin the lot.

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[Moulin Yarns]

There have been many different dynasties since the Plantagenets ended with Richard III

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The Carringtons are royals?

[Sir David Gray]

Not a royalist by any manner of means but I don't have a problem with the Queen.

Once she goes, I would personally do away with them but there's no chance of that.

[sleeping giant]

Load of medieval nonsense .... bin the lot of them.

:agree:

It's an institution that can't possibly last much longer .

[lyonhibs]

:agree:

It's an institution that can't possibly last much longer .

What makes you say that out of interest? When was the UK ever/last a republic?

[Sir David Gray]

:agree:

It's an institution that can't possibly last much longer .

Support for the monarchy is consistently at around 70% and above any time a poll is done on it, I don't see it being abolished any time soon.

[ronaldo7]

Support for the monarchy is consistently at around 70% and above any time a poll is done on it, I don't see it being abolished any time soon.

As we're discussing the Queen's speech, just over 7.8 million people tuned in to listen to her lecture her subjects, that means around 55 million never bothered.

Polls eh:greengrin

[Colr]

Support for the monarchy is consistently at around 70% and above any time a poll is done on it, I don't see it being abolished any time soon.

Me neither. The current situation feels like a very British compromise (fudge).

[Sir David Gray]

As we're discussing the Queen's speech, just over 7.8 million people tuned in to listen to her lecture her subjects, that means around 55 million never bothered.

Polls eh:greengrin

Just because people didn't watch the Queen's speech on Christmas Day, doesn't mean that they want the monarchy to be abolished.

I watched her speech and I would personally have the monarchy abolished so that doesn't mean anything.

[ronaldo7]

Just because people didn't watch the Queen's speech on Christmas Day, doesn't mean that they want the monarchy to be abolished.

I watched her speech and I would personally have the monarchy abolished so that doesn't mean anything.

Neither do the polls.:wink:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

William has spent the last 8 years as either a RAF search and rescue pilot or an air ambulance pilot so I would suggest he has probably helped quite a few 'others' along the way.

Not sure what Harry has been up to though...

Not a fan of the royals but I find the constant criticism rather tiring as well to be honest.

Whoosh!

[johnbc70]

As we're discussing the Queen's speech, just over 7.8 million people tuned in to listen to her lecture her subjects, that means around 55 million never bothered.

Polls eh:greengrin

It was also the most popular and watched TV event over Christmas in the UK, for the second year running.

[jodjam]

They rejected 51 more suitable candidates in 1714 before appointing Dode the first. Bin it after Lizzie

[Colr]

They rejected 51 more suitable candidates in 1714 before appointing Dode the first. Bin it after Lizzie

George I got the gig because he would do what parliament told him to do. Which is how it should be.

[hibsbollah]

It was also the most popular and watched TV event over Christmas in the UK, for the second year running.

That's the case against republicanism quashed then. Well done :aok:

[Colr]

That's the case against republicanism quashed then. Well done :aok:

Hasn't the C4 alternative queen's speech turned into a right load of bollocks over the years.

I recall the first one being by Quentin Crisp and was quite clever.

[johnbc70]

That's the case against republicanism quashed then. Well done :aok:

I am sure you will know I was replying to the comment that as 'only' 7.8M watched it on TV that it was somehow a sign of the declining popularity, but as pointed out it was the most popular TV event in the UK.

[hibsbollah]

I am sure you will know I was replying to the comment that as 'only' 7.8M watched it on TV that it was somehow a sign of the declining popularity, but as pointed out it was the most popular TV event in the UK.

Its a tradition, like eating sprouts.

[Hibrandenburg]

It was also the most popular and watched TV event over Christmas in the UK, for the second year running.

Glad I've got Netflix.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Its a tradition, like eating sprouts.

I like sprouts mair than the monarchy :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

It was also the most popular and watched TV event over Christmas in the UK, for the second year running.

Hope you enjoyed yer lecture. :faf: You've got to love the Irish.

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[johnbc70]

Hope you enjoyed yer lecture. :faf: You've got to love the Irish.

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I never watched it.

[ronaldo7]

I never watched it.

One of the Enlightened.:aok:

[steakbake]

I think we will be seeing King Charles pretty soon. E2 is pretty stable, middle of the road. She's given one opportunity a year to directly address her subjects but what we get is bland, insipid, "don't rock the boat" style riddles which everyone can generally agree with and hacks in the media can dissemble...like her frown at the Olympics or an apparent faint glimmer in her eye in the national obscenity of the opening of parliament when she reads out the latest hammering of the poorest.

The Royals aren't supposed to be political of course, but while politicians are not our moral leaders, there is a vacuum and they may as well fill it.

Charles, in fairness to him, is a more radical and opinionated figure. Climate change and the environment are two of his main issues and very timely it would be to have a significant public figure giving that primary threat to our existence the attention and leadership it needs.

I expect and hope that Charles won't be a fence sitting monarch like E2. My money is on finding out in 12-18 months time.

[Pretty Boy]

I think we will be seeing King Charles pretty soon. E2 is pretty stable, middle of the road. She's given one opportunity a year to directly address her subjects but what we get is bland, insipid, "don't rock the boat" style riddles which everyone can generally agree with and hacks in the media can dissemble...like her frown at the Olympics or an apparent faint glimmer in her eye in the national obscenity of the opening of parliament when she reads out the latest hammering of the poorest.

The Royals aren't supposed to be political of course, but while politicians are not our moral leaders, there is a vacuum and they may as well fill it.

Charles, in fairness to him, is a more radical and opinionated figure. Climate change and the environment are two of his main issues and very timely it would be to have a significant public figure giving that primary threat to our existence the attention and leadership it needs.

I expect and hope that Charles won't be a fence sitting monarch like E2. My money is on finding out in 12-18 months time.

We won't see a King Charles. He will most likely be George VII. Charles is considered an 'unlucky' name and Charles has already strongly hinted he will take George as his regnal name.

[Colr]

We won't see a King Charles. He will most likely be George VII. Charles is considered an 'unlucky' name and Charles has already strongly hinted he will take George as his regnal name.

Charles II did OK.

[steakbake]

We won't see a King Charles. He will most likely be George VII. Charles is considered an 'unlucky' name and Charles has already strongly hinted he will take George as his regnal name.

OK - then my post still stands, except switch "Charles" for "George".

[Pretty Boy]

OK - then my post still stands, except switch "Charles" for "George".

Apologies I think my reply came across as more arsey than I intended.

FWIW I don't think we will see much change in the direction of the monarchy anytime soon. Charles may well be used as something of a figurehead by green groups but I think his personal comment will be minimal or deliberately vague. Both he and the team around him will be aware of his relative unpopularity in comparison to his mother and so and I think that will focus minds.

On a more general note I think the royals have found a formula that works in recent years. I think the reaction to the death of Diana forced a softening of the image. The Queen both misread and mishandled the situation and the public mood and was portrayed as cold and uncaring. It was only a very public nod of the head that saved her from dealing with unprecedented levels of popularity. The criticism in the months that followed from Earl Spencer in which he accused senior royals, including the Queen, of being more concerned with protocol and tradition than genuinely caring for their family and showing real maternal and paternal feeling was very much at odds with the 'everyone mucking in' wholesome family life the press had previously tried to portray, especially when they were at Balmoral. Since the death of the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret in a short period of time there was a real drive to move the Queen into the position of benevolent matriarch; the bland, middle of the road speeches and dialogue are all part of that. It works and I can't see Charles being allowed to meddle with it too much.

[RyeSloan]

To be honest I think the best thing for Charles to do would be to pass and give the crown to William.

At least that way we would see more of Kate compared to Camilla [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

[Colr]

To be honest I think the best thing for Charles to do would be to pass and give the crown to William.

At least that way we would see more of Kate compared to Camilla [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

He was right about the National Gallery extension, though.

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Is there still a known descendant of the old Scottish Kings kicking around today? Duncan Canmore or whoever it was in the 11 th C was the one I remember?


Me. I am the 21st-generation Grandson of King Robert the Bruce. One of my cousins with too much time on his hands did our genealogy a few years back and emailed me the list.

And in the interests of accuracy (nay, pedantry, even) it was Malcolm Canmore (aka Bigheid) who followed Macbeth who murdered Duncan and got killed by a walking forest.

According to Shakespeare.

Who was English.

[Peevemor]

Me. I am the 21st-generation Grandson of King Robert the Bruce. One of my cousins with too much time on his hands did our genealogy a few years back and emailed me the list.

And in the interests of accuracy (nay, pedantry, even) it was Malcolm Canmore (aka Bigheid) who followed Macbeth who murdered Duncan and got killed by a walking forest.

According to Shakespeare.

Who was English.
The Bruce family is very much alive and kicking and own quite a bit of land in the North and East of Scotland. I used to work beside one of them.

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The Bruce family is very much alive and kicking and own quite a bit of land in the North and East of Scotland. I used to work beside one of them.


Indeed. IIRC Lord Elgin was Queen's Commissioner to the General Assembly a few years back. Seemed a decent chap, actually.

We should, of course, bear in mind that the way old Robert the B (not to mention some of his intermediate descendants) put themselves about, half the Scottish population, plus a whole lot of people in Africa and the West Indies can claim to be descended from him.

Lotta Bruce blood about, actually.

Which is rather the drawback of the hereditary principle - it only REALLY works if the male members of the dynasty keep their pants zipped and the females keep their knees together except in the presence of their lawful spouses ...

Otherwise you may (for example and purely for argument's sake) get a ginger in a family where no gingers have gone before ... :devil:

[ronaldo7]

Indeed. IIRC Lord Elgin was Queen's Commissioner to the General Assembly a few years back. Seemed a decent chap, actually.

We should, of course, bear in mind that the way old Robert the B (not to mention some of his intermediate descendants) put themselves about, half the Scottish population, plus a whole lot of people in Africa and the West Indies can claim to be descended from him.

Lotta Bruce blood about, actually.

Which is rather the drawback of the hereditary principle - it only REALLY works if the male members of the dynasty keep their pants zipped and the females keep their knees together except in the presence of their lawful spouses ...

Otherwise you may (for example and purely for argument's sake) get a ginger in a family where no gingers have gone before ... :devil:

Something like this?

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[Colr]

The Bruce family is very much alive and kicking and own quite a bit of land in the North and East of Scotland. I used to work beside one of them.

Isn't the Earl of Elgin a descendent?

[Haymaker]

Isn't the Earl of Elgin a descendent?

I looked it up and following jacobites the 'rightful' King of Scotland is the Duke of Bavaria.

[Colr]

I looked it up and following jacobites the 'rightful' King of Scotland is the Duke of Bavaria.

This dude?

There is no rightful king of Scotland IMO

[Haymaker]

This dude?

There is no rightful king of Scotland IMO

Hence the ' ' round rightful! :greengrin

Apparently he doesn't acknowledge the claim