SNP Transport minister charged for driving without insurance(!)

[hibs0666]

You really could not make this up.

So that's both his professional and personal judgement that are now in question. That'll be him a stick-on as a future Scottish FM then.

[Moulin Yarns]

[QUOTE=hibs0666;4874177]You really could not make this up.

So that's both his professional and personal judgement that are now in question. That'll be him a stick

Have you read the article?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38234763

Seems a genuine oversight to me.

[easty]

You really could not make this up.

So that's both his professional and personal judgement that are now in question. That'll be him a stick-on as a future Scottish FM then.

Is it really that bad? Seems more like - "guy doesn't realise he isn't still insured to drive any car, following changes to his joint policy after divorce".

[hibs0666]

Is it really that bad? Seems more like - "guy doesn't realise he isn't still insured to drive any car, following changes to his joint policy after divorce".

It might have been really, really bad if had been involved in an accident.

Surely someone would have advised him on the implications of his separation?

Surely a government minister has to be cleaner than clean?

[PeeJay]

Is it really that bad? Seems more like - "guy doesn't realise he isn't still insured to drive any car, following changes to his joint policy after divorce".


Well ... what if he'd had a bad accident as an uninsured driver?
What kind of person gets into a car that is not his without being certain that he is insured to drive it ... this isn't normally a story anywhere BUT the transport minister ? :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

It might have been really, really bad if had been involved in an accident.

Surely someone would have advised him on the implications of his separation?

Surely a government minister has to be cleaner than clean?

Never did get this argument.

I can appreciate an elected rep who shows human failings, and with whom I can empathise and hence respect.

[Peevemor]

It might have been really, really bad if had been involved in an accident.

Surely someone would have advised him on the implications of his separation?

Surely a government minister has to be cleaner than clean?

But he wasn't.

He knows fine that he's been a tit and has held his hands up.

These things happen when you're life is hectic, even without chucking a divorce into the mix.

[hibs0666]

But he wasn't.

He knows fine that he's been a tit and has held his hands up.

These things happen when you're life is hectic, even without chucking a divorce into the mix.

OK, I can just about buy that. However, if he can't manage minor things like his insurance obligations, it doesn't give me a lot of faith that he can managed Scotland's transport strategy.

[Peevemor]

OK, I can just about buy that. However, if he can't manage minor things like his insurance obligations, it doesn't give me a lot of faith that he can managed Scotland's transport strategy.

Could he be so busy working that his private life & affairs suffer?

It's fairly common.

[Moulin Yarns]

It might have been really, really bad if had been involved in an accident.

Surely someone would have advised him on the implications of his separation?

Surely a government minister has to be cleaner than clean?

Surely, if you are getting divorced and you have been correctly insured prior to separation, would you think your insurance would change because of a divorce?

[hibs0666]

Surely, if you are getting divorced and you have been correctly insured prior to separation, would you think your insurance would change because of a divorce?

In all likelihood, he has moved his gaff after the divorce unless he had booted his ex out. As a result, you would fully expect him to have at least changed the address on all such insurance policies. But maybe he hasn't bothered doing that either.

[easty]

Well ... what if he'd had a bad accident as an uninsured driver?
What kind of person gets into a car that is not his without being certain that he is insured to drive it ... this isn't normally a story anywhere BUT the transport minister ? :confused:

Then it'd have been dealt with, the fact that he made a mistake with regards to being insured on all cars wouldn't change though, whether he had an accident or not, it was a mistake.

It doesn't make it more of an actual story because it's the transport minister, not in my opinion anyway.

[easty]

In all likelihood, he has moved his gaff after the divorce unless he had booted his ex out. As a result, you would fully expect him to have at least changed the address on all such insurance policies. But maybe he hasn't bothered doing that either.

Drivel.

[PeeJay]

Then it'd have been dealt with, the fact that he made a mistake with regards to being insured on all cars wouldn't change though, whether he had an accident or not, it was a mistake.

It doesn't make it more of an actual story because it's the transport minister, not in my opinion anyway.


Can you simply say it would have been dealt with? It may well have been but in what manner? What if he doesn't have any assets to pay claims against him if he was at fault? Not sure this sort of thing shoudl be taken so lightly, particularly from people in positions like his - not exactly setting a good example is he?

[JimBHibees]

You really could not make this up.

So that's both his professional and personal judgement that are now in question. That'll be him a stick-on as a future Scottish FM then.

The way your one man campaign is going on here you are a shoe in for when Kez leaves. :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

It might have been really, really bad if had been involved in an accident.

Surely someone would have advised him on the implications of his separation?

Surely a government minister has to be cleaner than clean?

Even your deputy leader thought it was an honest mistake:


Scottish Conservative deputy leader Jackson Carlaw said: "We don't believe this is a resignation matter.
"Anyone could have found themselves in this situation, due process has been followed, Mr Yousaf himself has apologised, and we should move on.
"He now has an opportunity to use this incident to persuade others of the importance of motorists being properly insured."

Total non-story and another non-event SNP/Indy bashing thread.

It makes it hard to take your apparent concern for education (which is a genuinely worrying situation) seriously.

[hibs0666]

The way your one man campaign is going on here you are a shoe in for when Kez leaves. :greengrin

LOL I can't do any worse can I? :wink: That **** canute Murray will be promoted to Shadow Minister for Poppy Thievery as well.

[speedy_gonzales]

Not the first time someone has been caught out by the "3rd party on another car if fully comp on your own" clause.
Most policies will allow the main insured driver to drive another car with 3rd party cover as long as the other car is not owned by themselves and the owner of that car has fully comp cover. What most people don't know is that cover does not always apply to other named drivers on the policy.
Similar to the transport minister, a friend of mines was caught without valid insurance, the policy he thought covered him only covered the main driver which was his wife (as was the case a few years back it was cheaper to have a woman as the policy holder), I'm sure my friend got 6 points endorsed on his licence and a fine. Again, like the transport minister, it was a random safety check with no other offence having been committed.

[steakbake]

I always look up to politicians and fully expect them to be excellent role models for the population they serve. Anything short of that leaves me feeling deeply disappointed... said no-one, ever.

Seems to be a genuine mistake and it can happen. On the scale of things, I don't think it's that damning. Actually kind of feel sorry for him but I am glad that he is not above the law, which is important and not actually that universal.

It's hardly on the scale of Huhne, Fox and his cash for access, or Henry McLeish's officegate.

I was involved in a case where a very well known politician drove away from the scene of an accident, but used his position to 'preventatively' pursue the guy he hit. The poor chap was accused of sending "suspicious packages" (a short letter, reasonably asking for insurance details) and breach of the peace. He ended up in court and was admonished, losing his job along the way. It was in a very public street, many people were looking on. Most of the prosecution witnesses happened to be young members of the party who oddly, seemed to all be on the scene. I was one of three defence witnesses called. I suspect a range of funny handshakes were involved. Since then, if I see something, I just don't give a monkeys and never get involved.

[lucky]

I'm not a fan of the snp or Humza Useless but on this I do believe it's an genuine mistake after all in his own words he's not a "Transport expert".

[Hiber-nation]

I'm not a fan of the snp or Humza Useless but on this I do believe it's an genuine mistake after all in his own words he's not a "Transport expert".

:greengrin

[allmodcons]

Can you simply say it would have been dealt with? It may well have been but in what manner? What if he doesn't have any assets to pay claims against him if he was at fault? Not sure this sort of thing shoudl be taken so lightly, particularly from people in positions like his - not exactly setting a good example is he?




It would have been handled by the Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB). They deal with claims on behalf of individuals who are involved in motor accidents with uninsured drivers.

For me, this was a silly mistake by Humza Yousaf, but let's not get carried away, we are all human.

For what it's worth, I'd be saying exact same thing if it was a Politician from any other party.

[hibs0666]

I'm not a fan of the snp or Humza Useless but on this I do believe it's an genuine mistake after all in his own words he's not a "Transport expert".

:top marks

[beensaidbefore]

In all likelihood, he has moved his gaff after the divorce unless he had booted his ex out. As a result, you would fully expect him to have at least changed the address on all such insurance policies. But maybe he hasn't bothered doing that either.

Maybe this maybe that. Don't get lack of fact get in the way of a good story.

[marinello59]

Even your deputy leader thought it was an honest mistake:



Total non-story and another non-event SNP/Indy bashing thread.

It makes it hard to take your apparent concern for education (which is a genuinely worrying situation) seriously.

It's hardly a non-story when a Goverment minister is caught breaking the law and it is certainly worthy of comment. It does however seem that he made a genuine mistake, we all make them. Embarrassing for him at worst.

[Beefster]

Got to admit that the story gave me a chuckle. Yousaf has had an absolute mare of a second half of 2016.

[Sir David Gray]

An honest mistake it might well have been but it is quite funny that the head of transport in Scotland is being done for a motoring offence.

I'm just pleased that there was no accident involved and he didn't hurt anyone whilst he was driving an uninsured vehicle.

[hibs0666]

Maybe this maybe that. Don't get lack of fact get in the way of a good story.

It is a good story, and the guy has made himself look like a total plum. :thumbsup:

[steakbake]

It is a good story, and the guy has made himself look like a total plum. :thumbsup:

Another tissue under the bed tonight for you then, eh? Well done.

[Speedy]

Well ... what if he'd had a bad accident as an uninsured driver?
What kind of person gets into a car that is not his without being certain that he is insured to drive it ... this isn't normally a story anywhere BUT the transport minister ? :confused:

Maybe he was certain. People are often certain about things that turn out to be incorrect.

[hibs0666]

Another tissue under the bed tonight for you then, eh? Well done.

What a weird comment. Well done.

[Moulin Yarns]

What a weird comment. Well done.

John 8:7.

[hibsbollah]

It might have been really, really bad if had been involved in an accident.

Surely someone would have advised him on the implications of his separation?

Surely a government minister has to be cleaner than clean?

Why should a government minister be held to a higher moral standard than anyone else?

[bigwheel]

Why should a government minister be held to a higher moral standard than anyone else?

because it's their job to ensure standards are set and achieved

[hibsbollah]

because it's their job to ensure standards are set and achieved

So is a guy who reads the meter. Or someone working in insurance.

[snooky]

John 8:7.

Since we're in a quoting mode ...

"Muckle ado aboot nuttin'" - Wullie Sheikspeir (circa 1598)

[lucky]

Since we're in a quoting mode ...

"Muckle ado aboot nuttin'" - Wullie Sheikspeir (circa 1598)

The mans a Fanny-- punter in the street, today at 1623

[CropleyWasGod]

because it's their job to ensure standards are set and achieved
No it isn't.

If I'm looking for moral guidance, there's plenty of places I'd look before my elected reps.

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[Scouse Hibee]

Why should a government minister be held to a higher moral standard than anyone else?

I would expect a government minister to be beyond reproach,mistake or not it brings his integrity into question and he should resign his position.

[hibsbollah]

I would expect a government minister to be beyond reproach,mistake or not it brings his integrity into question and he should resign his position.

But why a government ministers morals and ethics more important than any other profession?

[#FromTheCapital]

But why a government ministers morals and ethics more important than any other profession?

I guess in this case it's the irony of the transport minister getting done with a motoring offence. FWIW it looks like a genuine mistake to me and these things should be forgiven.

[CropleyWasGod]

I would expect a government minister to be beyond reproach,mistake or not it brings his integrity into question and he should resign his position.

I don't expect that from them at all.

I expect them to do their job.

I also expect them to be human, with human failings. Otherwise, how can they empathise with, and represent, others?

[easty]

I would expect a government minister to be beyond reproach,mistake or not it brings his integrity into question and he should resign his position.

I don't think someone's integrity should be questioned based on, what certainly appears to be, a mistake.

[JeMeSouviens]

I guess in this case it's the irony of the transport minister getting done with a motoring offence. FWIW it looks like a genuine mistake to me and these things should be forgiven.

Exactly. :agree:

He's made an embarrassing mistake but it's hardly calling his moral fibre into question.

[Hibernia&Alba]

You really could not make this up.

So that's both his professional and personal judgement that are now in question. That'll be him a stick-on as a future Scottish FM then.

You seem obsessed with the SNP :greengrin

[bigwheel]

No it isn't.

If I'm looking for moral guidance, there's plenty of places I'd look before my elected reps.

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I didn't say moral standards ...it's the transport Ministers job to ensure transport related standards are set and achieved. That's why this is causing as issue for the MP. It's nothing to do with morality

[bigwheel]

So is a guy who reads the meter. Or someone working in insurance.

They don't have a role in transport related policy and standards ...this MP does.

[CropleyWasGod]

I didn't say moral standards ...it's the transport Ministers job to ensure transport related standards are set and achieved. That's why this is causing as issue for the MP. It's nothing to do with morality
Cheers. I misunderstood your post.

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[Scouse Hibee]

I don't expect that from them at all.

I expect them to do their job.

I also expect them to be human, with human failings. Otherwise, how can they empathise with, and represent, others?

You could dress up anything as a human failing to excuse it. Sam Allardyce's failing is that he is a greedy bustard then and should have been excused his indiscretions.

[Scouse Hibee]

Why should a government minister be held to a higher moral standard than anyone else?

Really?

The core values of the civil service code must be met.

[CropleyWasGod]

You could dress up anything as a human failing to excuse it. Sam Allardyce's failing is that he is a greedy bustard then and should have been excused his indiscretions.
We're talking about politicians though....not greedy bustards [emoji1]

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[ronaldo7]

Really?

The core values of the civil service code must be met.

Just like the Geneva convention, and the Law of armed conflict eh.:wink:

[The Green Goblin]

Burn the witch! Burn him!

Shame!
Shame!
Shame!

[hibsbollah]

Really?

The core values of the civil service code must be met.

You're not really engaging with my question. Why do we expect politicians to be morally higher kind of human being? And does this unrealistic expectation threaten their ability to do their jobs properly?

Even in this case, which is clearly a massive fuss about nothing.

[RyeSloan]

You're not really engaging with my question. Why do we expect politicians to be morally higher kind of human being? And does this unrealistic expectation threaten their ability to do their jobs properly?

Even in this case, which is clearly a massive fuss about nothing.

Forgive me for jumping in but where does morals come into making sure you are insured to drive before you drive?

Anyway it's clearly an embarrassing oversight that really the Minister for Transport should be making sure never occurs. Sackable offence? No. But none the less it's hardly setting a good example and for me at least raises a question that if he can't ensure he is insured to drive before he jumps into someone else's car what else is he capable of overlooking.

I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest as a government minister you would expect them to pay a bit more attention to the laws of the land and to spend some time making sure they are compliant with them, especially transport laws when you are transport minister!

[beensaidbefore]

It's amazing how many perfect people who have never made a mistake in their lives are on hibs.net these days. Or could it be that this is a perfect opportunity for petty anti-snp point scoring... Hmmm let me see.

[Scouse Hibee]

You're not really engaging with my question. Why do we expect politicians to be morally higher kind of human being? And does this unrealistic expectation threaten their ability to do their jobs properly?

Even in this case, which is clearly a massive fuss about nothing.

If you don't expect a government official or minister to be of high morals then I am wasting my time. You clearly have different standards in regard to people in authority than I do.

[snooky]

If you don't expect a government official or minister to be of high morals then I am wasting my time. You clearly have different standards in regard to people in authority than I do.

I think we all do but I'm afraid they are like hens teeth.

[hibsbollah]

If you don't expect a government official or minister to be of high morals then I am wasting my time. You clearly have different standards in regard to people in authority than I do.

Calm down calm down. I'm asking you why politicians need to have higher moral standards than any other profession. It's just a profession. If you think they do, tell me WHY. Otherwise it suggests you haven't really thought about it.

Personally, I have no more or less outrage if a politician gets his wife to take a three point speeding penalty than if my accountant does the same thing. I think this attitude, if it filtered through into society, the media especially, would result in a more healthy relationship with the political class.

[lucky]

It's amazing how many perfect people who have never made a mistake in their lives are on hibs.net these days. Or could it be that this is a perfect opportunity for petty anti-snp point scoring... Hmmm let me see.

This line that if you discuss or disagree with the SNP your anti SNP/Scotland is just nonsense. Humza Yousaf was thought to be a rising star of the SNP but the reality he's mucked up his brief on Transport and has embarrassed himself over the lack of insurance. I'd not expect him to lose his brief over his error but certainly over the mess the railway is in.

You might not have noticed im not pro SNP but happy say when they do well

[Scouse Hibee]

Calm down calm down. I'm asking you why politicians need to have higher moral standards than any other profession. It's just a profession. If you think they do, tell me WHY. Otherwise it suggests you haven't really thought about it.

Personally, I have no more or less outrage if a politician gets his wife to take a three point speeding penalty than if my accountant does the same thing. I think this attitude, if it filtered through into society, the media especially, would result in a more healthy relationship with the political class.

I'm calm mate, it really doesn't take that much thinking about in my opinion, officials and elected people in authority should have high moral standards as they directly influence the state of the country we live in.

[Beefster]

It's amazing how many perfect people who have never made a mistake in their lives are on hibs.net these days. Or could it be that this is a perfect opportunity for petty anti-snp point scoring... Hmmm let me see.

I'm pretty sure we would have had a very similar thread, just with different posters, if it had been a non-SNP politician.

[hibsbollah]

I'm calm mate, it really doesn't take that much thinking about in my opinion, officials and elected people in authority should have high moral standards as they directly influence the state of the country we live in.

Define 'high'.

[Jack]

I agree with Scouse, at least a little bit.

Those that represent us should be of good character and of high moral standing.

I also think there are crimes that shouldn't exclude them from that role, like no insurance, unless they become repeat offenders.

[Scouse Hibee]

Define 'high'.

Oh come on!

[hibsbollah]

I agree with Scouse, at least a little bit.

Those that represent us should be of good character and of high moral standing.

I also think there are crimes that shouldn't exclude them from that role, like no insurance, unless they become repeat offenders.

It would be ideal if everyone in society had fine upstanding morals, most of us can agree on that. But we don't live in a society where everyone is a role model. Lots of people cheat on their wives, gamble their money away, take copious amounts of drink and so on, without being asked to resign from their jobs. I understand your point about representation, but again there isn't anything in logic why it should make a difference.

[hibsbollah]

Oh come on!

Lapdancer, Politician, Vicar, Journalist. Do you judge them differently based on what standards of behaviour they set outside their places of work? I'm genuinely interested.

[beensaidbefore]

I'm pretty sure we would have had a very similar thread, just with different posters, if it had been a non-SNP politician.

You are probably right. That makes the whole thing more laughable IMO.

[CropleyWasGod]

Oh come on!
It's a fair question.

Morality is a personal thing. What might matter to you in a moral sense might be irrelevant to me. And vice versa.

Personally, I don't look to my elected reps for moral guidance. Others may do, and that's fine.



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[Mibbes Aye]

Calm down calm down. I'm asking you why politicians need to have higher moral standards than any other profession. It's just a profession. If you think they do, tell me WHY. Otherwise it suggests you haven't really thought about it.

Personally, I have no more or less outrage if a politician gets his wife to take a three point speeding penalty than if my accountant does the same thing. I think this attitude, if it filtered through into society, the media especially, would result in a more healthy relationship with the political class.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but he stopped being just a politician, he's a minister.

That means he has powers and responsibilities way beyond that of a humble MSP.

Thousands of people ultimately answer to him and he has the capacity to make decisions on their fate and that of the general public.

Don't think this is a resignation issue in itself, but it shouldn't get in the way of the fact that he has a position where he makes decisions that affect most people on a daily basis. That's real and important. And if you want a better society, then we all need to sign up to the idea that if you have power you can use it to make a difference.

He's been found wanting, his judgement was already in question over his handling of the transport brief. I believe he is popular within his party though,so may ride it out, as the putative next leader.

It's maybe not his motor insurance thing for me, maybe more the debate itself -

The people we entrust to represent us - why shouldn't we ask them to be better? Why shouldn't they be set a higher standard?

Have we given up on ourselves that we can't aspire to be better?

[Scouse Hibee]

It's a fair question.

Morality is a personal thing. What might matter to you in a moral sense might be irrelevant to me. And vice versa.

Personally, I don't look to my elected reps for moral guidance. Others may do, and that's fine.



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Is it? Just going round in pointless circles,I defined my standards in earlier post.

[TheReg!]

Define 'high'.

Not driving without car insurance when you're the Transportation minister.

[hibsbollah]

It's maybe not his motor insurance thing for me, maybe more the debate itself -

The people we entrust to represent us - why shouldn't we ask them to be better? Why shouldn't they be set a higher standard?

Have we given up on ourselves that we can't aspire to be better?

I agree our elected representatives should be highly talented individuals, and until AI develops to the point where we get cyber politicians, they should also be human beings, who are flawed like the rest of us. Expecting anything else is ludicrous. Contextually a lot of this stems from the expenses scandal where we are conditioned to have low expectations of the whole tribe.

[hibsbollah]

Not driving without car insurance when you're the Transportation minister.

Not exactly up there with Watergate is it? :faf:

[ronaldo7]

Is it? Just going round in pointless circles,I defined my standards in earlier post.

These are your words from another thread. As you've not responded to my other post, I thought you might like to enlighten us as to "Your Standards".

Just going by what I read mate, personally I have no gripe with what he has done even if it is againdt the Geneva convention.

You seem happy for soldiers to eliminate/murder injured enemy combatants, even if it's against the Geneva convention, but want someone sacked due to a clerical error.

[Hibbyradge]

These are your words from another thread. As you've not responded to my other post, I thought you might like to enlighten us as to "Your Standards".

Just going by what I read mate, personally I have no gripe with what he has done even if it is againdt the Geneva convention.

You seem happy for soldiers to eliminate/murder injured enemy combatants, even if it's against the Geneva convention, but want someone sacked due to a clerical error.

Popcorn at the ready ...

[Scouse Hibee]

These are your words from another thread. As you've not responded to my other post, I thought you might like to enlighten us as to "Your Standards".

Just going by what I read mate, personally I have no gripe with what he has done even if it is againdt the Geneva convention.

You seem happy for soldiers to eliminate/murder injured enemy combatants, even if it's against the Geneva convention, but want someone sacked due to a clerical error.

Jeez pretty sad to be trawling old threads but whatever floats your boat. Put it into context.

[ronaldo7]

Jeez pretty sad to be trawling old threads but whatever floats your boat. Put it into context.

The words just seemed to stick in my mind for some reason...I can't think why:greengrin

Whatever hammers your helmet mate.

[Scouse Hibee]

The words just seemed to stick in my mind for some reason...I can't think why:greengrin

Whatever hammers your helmet mate.

Yes you've lost the plot.

[ronaldo7]

Yes you've lost the plot.

:tee hee: The plot thickens.

[lucky]

Humza Yousaf never made a clerical error. He drove a car without insurance. He wrongly believed he was insured on an old policy, we have to take his word for that. No one has said he should lose his brief over his incident but he clearly is a falling star within the SNP. He's split from his wife, rumours he's been playing away, it's just a matter of time before he's gone as a minister.

[ronaldo7]

Humza Yousaf never made a clerical error. He drove a car without insurance. He wrongly believed he was insured on an old policy, we have to take his word for that. No one has said he should lose his brief over his incident but he clearly is a falling star within the SNP. He's split from his wife, rumours he's been playing away, it's just a matter of time before he's gone as a minister.

What did he have for breakfast?

And you might want to review post 39 again. :wink:

[easty]

Humza Yousaf never made a clerical error. He drove a car without insurance. He wrongly believed he was insured on an old policy, we have to take his word for that. No one has said he should lose his brief over his incident but he clearly is a falling star within the SNP. He's split from his wife, rumours he's been playing away, it's just a matter of time before he's gone as a minister.

He was still insured, just not for any vehicle.

Dunno what "rumours" he cheated on his wife have to do with this though?

[lucky]

He was still insured, just not for any vehicle.

Dunno what "rumours" he cheated on his wife have to do with this though?

All about how he is supposedly behaving

[Northernhibee]

An honest oversight is understandable if you're not the transport minister for a country. Car insurance is a legal necessity for the main mode of transport in this country and if you're not in understanding of how that works then you shouldn't be transport minister.

[allmodcons]

Humza Yousaf never made a clerical error. He drove a car without insurance. He wrongly believed he was insured on an old policy, we have to take his word for that. No one has said he should lose his brief over his incident but he clearly is a falling star within the SNP. He's split from his wife, rumours he's been playing away, it's just a matter of time before he's gone as a minister.

Who he's ****ging has nothing to do with his ability to be Transport Minister. You know nothing about the personal circumstances of his divorce.

[lucky]

Who he's ****ging has nothing to do with his ability to be Transport Minister. You know nothing about the personal circumstances of his divorce.

Never said it did or that I know or care about his personal life.

[allmodcons]

Who he's ****ging has nothing to do with his ability to be Transport Minister. You know nothing about the personal circumstances of his divorce.


Never said it did or that I know or care about his personal life.

"He's split from his wife, rumours he's been playing away, it's just a matter of time before he's gone as a minister".

Your words.

[hibsbollah]

"He's split from his wife, rumours he's been playing away, it's just a matter of time before he's gone as a minister".

Your words.

This is kind of my point; a failed marriage can and does happen to anyone, it is like living in some sort of weird dystopian alternative reality that this has become a reason for a politician to be held in contempt:rolleyes: And I dont think the public really give two hoots about things like that, or getting confused about motor insurance admin, they just get fed it by a media that has no moral compass, certainly no right to take the moral high ground. We're living in a world where the elected POTUS is a proud sexual predator and self evident racist FFS, where the British media collude with morally bankrupt policemen and aren't held to account, and hack dead kids phones. These are the things that matter.

[allmodcons]

This is kind of my point; a failed marriage can and does happen to anyone, it is like living in some sort of weird dystopian alternative reality that this has become a reason for a politician to be held in contempt:rolleyes: And I dont think the public really give two hoots about things like that, or getting confused about motor insurance admin, they just get fed it by a media that has no moral compass, certainly no right to take the moral high ground. We're living in a world where the elected POTUS is a proud sexual predator and self evident racist FFS, where the British media collude with morally bankrupt policemen and aren't held to account, and hack dead kids phones. These are the things that matter.

Agree 100%.

You are spot on when you say the media has no moral compass. All have an agenda, though I'd have to say some outlets are worse than others.

[hibs0666]

This is kind of my point; a failed marriage can and does happen to anyone, it is like living in some sort of weird dystopian alternative reality that this has become a reason for a politician to be held in contempt:rolleyes: And I dont think the public really give two hoots about things like that, or getting confused about motor insurance admin, they just get fed it by a media that has no moral compass, certainly no right to take the moral high ground. We're living in a world where the elected POTUS is a proud sexual predator and self evident racist FFS, where the British media collude with morally bankrupt policemen and aren't held to account, and hack dead kids phones. These are the things that matter.

What is a moral compass and who makes them?

[Just Alf]

What is a moral compass and who makes them?

The Cambridge Dictionary says-

​
a natural feeling that makes people know what is right and wrong and how they should behave:

Some people believe that the increase in crime shows that society is losing its moral compass.

[Moulin Yarns]

What is a moral compass and who makes them?

They are things with a pointy bit and pencil for drawing curves and circles and Helix is a popular make for people who are at school.

I would have thought you were familiar with them.

When you leave school you can graduate to better ones such as Rotring.

[--------]

It's amazing how many perfect people who have never made a mistake in their lives are on hibs.net these days. Or could it be that this is a perfect opportunity for petty anti-snp point scoring... Hmmm let me see.


My thoughts exactly.

Life gets very complicated at times.

And we sometimes forget things.

Even important things, like motor insurance.

And people in the public eye are easy targets for the Pharisees and the 'unco guid'.

I'm hearing there's a scarcity of metal polish in certain parts of town these days. Must be from all the polishing of halos.

(Or haloes?) :devil:

[One Day Soon]

The 'I'm not a transport expert' statement is what has made all of the rest of his problems so magnified. Everything after that then gets permission to be a feeding frenzy and he has nobody to blame but himself for that.The insurance thing seems to me an unfortunate but frankly relatively minor detail. To be honest I thought Derek Mackay's 'budget' was considerably more of an embarrassment than the Transport Minister's clearly genuinely accidental and, in my opinion, entirely forgiveable insurance gaffe.

His biggest problems are twofold - firstly that this is a serious Ministerial brief that (unlike a lot of others) can make or break the most assiduous and applied of Ministers, and I'm not convinced by how assiduous and applied he may have been. Secondly there is quite a bit of winter still to go and he's at the mercy of whatever weather we get.

I quite like him in personal terms but I don't think his fast - and relatively easy - rise has done him any favours in preparing him for a gig that you cannot bluff your way through.

[lucky]

The 'I'm not a transport expert' statement is what has made all of the rest of his problems so magnified. Everything after that then gets permission to be a feeding frenzy and he has nobody to blame but himself for that.The insurance thing seems to me an unfortunate but frankly relatively minor detail. To be honest I thought Derek Mackay's 'budget' was considerably more of an embarrassment than the Transport Minister's clearly genuinely accidental and, in my opinion, entirely forgiveable insurance gaffe.

His biggest problems are twofold - firstly that this is a serious Ministerial brief that (unlike a lot of others) can make or break the most assiduous and applied of Ministers, and I'm not convinced by how assiduous and applied he may have been. Secondly there is quite a bit of winter still to go and he's at the mercy of whatever weather we get.

I quite like him in personal terms but I don't think his fast - and relatively easy - rise has done him any favours in preparing him for a gig that you cannot bluff your way through.


Very good and balanced post