Neil Lennon is he the answer

[Onion]

Agree with much of what you say, but there hasn’t been anyone posting that we support the manager unequivocally. People have objected to wild speculation about body language, mental health, losing the dressing room, working his ticket etc, etc.

There is a small, but very persistent minority on here who can’t stomach Lennon, for reasons I could speculate wildly on myself- but won’t, and are desperate to see him out. Most folk see them for what they are and some get quite defensive about it, but no one suggests he is untouchable.

I support the manager, but share quite a few of the concerns voiced. One of the things that has really disappointed me is his avoidance of responsibility for poor tactics and team selections, whilst dishing it out to certain players.

Not good enough from Lennon and a sign that he has run out of ideas.

He has shown some boldness in the transfer window before. It worries me just now that there may be some surprising moves forthcoming. In the current circumstances our board need to ensure that everything is done in Hibs best interest and not to suit the manager having a final throw of the dice.

Very valid point. Lennon is on a personal mission to rebuild his reputation. He had done than with seasons 1 and 2, but it's now falling apart. He can't claim the Hibs Board haven't backed him, so really has to do all he can to turn this slump around otherwise all the good work will count for little.

What we don't need is him having a hissy fit, throwing the babies out with the bathwater (perhaps players the fans value more than him !) and bringing in expensive short term fixes to save his own skin - only for him to bolt at the end of the season, leaving us with an expensive mess. Hibs Board's confidence in Lennon will be shown through the resources they give him in January.

[calumhibee1]

There is a small, but very persistent minority on here who can’t stomach Lennon, for reasons I could speculate wildly on myself- but won’t, and are desperate to see him out. Most folk see them for what they are and some get quite defensive about it, but no one suggests he is untouchable.

On this point, there has been loads of posts stating he’s the best we could possibly get and using that as the reason we should keep him. That is as good as saying he’s untouchable if we should keep him purely based on the (imo incorrect) notion that he’s the best we could ever dream of getting so it would be daft to get rid of him.

[makaveli1875]

On this point, there has been loads of posts stating he’s the best we could possibly get and using that as the reason we should keep him. That is as good as saying he’s untouchable if we should keep him purely based on the (imo incorrect) notion that he’s the best we could ever dream of getting so it would be daft to get rid of him.

He's done a good job for us . Has 1 of the best records of any recent manager . Pulled off a couple of great wins in Europe after years of embarrasing hammerings . Lots of wins against Hertz and the uglies , got us out the championship . Record points total in the prem last season . Made us far more difficult to beat , turned ER into a fortress

who you going to bring in to top that ?

[Hibeesmad]

There are always going to be split views on this topic.

There were numerous Aberdeen fans calling for McIness to go earlier on in the season, they are now 3 points off top.

[calumhibee1]

He's done a good job for us . Has 1 of the best records of any recent manager . Pulled off a couple of great wins in Europe after years of embarrasing hammerings . Lots of wins against Hertz and the uglies , got us out the championship . Record points total in the prem last season . Made us far more difficult to beat , turned ER into a fortress

who you going to bring in to top that ?

He has done all of that, absolutely. Over the piece, Lennon has done a good job at Hibs, there’s no debating that. However we picked him up when we were a Championship team and he was newly unemployed due to taking a team towards relegation in the Championship down south.

While I don’t have a name for you - I don’t really watch a lot of English football or keep an eye on lower leagues in Scotland so I can only really tell you about Scottish Premiership managers - I don’t believe for a second that there’s nobody out there for when NL leaves whether that’s from League 1 or 2 in England or from an under 21 side etc in England or even abroad. Killie went and got Clarke who imo is the best manager in Scotland by a mile, Lennon included, so why can’t we get someone like that? Why are people so adamant that LD won’t be able to find another very good manager when the times comes? We got NL in when we were a Championship club. We’re now a top tier club with presumably significantly more money to spend. There’s bound to be somebody out there who could do as good or a better job. Whether we find them or not? We won’t know until we need to.

[The Modfather]

He's done a good job for us . Has 1 of the best records of any recent manager . Pulled off a couple of great wins in Europe after years of embarrasing hammerings . Lots of wins against Hertz and the uglies , got us out the championship . Record points total in the prem last season . Made us far more difficult to beat , turned ER into a fortress

who you going to bring in to top that ?

Lennon is possibly unable to sustain what he has built now that the core of Stubbs’ team is/has been broken up. With his replacements,individually or collectively as a team, possibly not able to maintain the standards set.

Lennons tenure has been good so far, but we may have peaked in finishing 4th and getting to semi finals. There are other managers out there that could also achieve that. It wouldn’t mean Lennon has been poor but similary we are not destined to automatically be poorer post Lennon. All managers come and go at the end of the day.

[calumhibee1]

Lennon is possibly unable to sustain what he has built now that the core of Stubbs’ team is/has been broken up. With his replacements,individually or collectively as a team, possibly not able to maintain the standards set.

Lennons tenure has been good so far, but we may have peaked in finishing 4th and getting to semi finals. There are other managers out there that could also achieve that. It wouldn’t mean Lennon has been poor but similary we are not destined to automatically be poorer post Lennon. All managers come and go at the end of the day.

:agree:

Without getting into the debate of whether he should go or not I just don’t see the logic that we’re incapable of improving on him or even just matching him. I could understand if we were Kilmarnock and had Clarke as manager but as good a job as NL has done we’ve hardly punched massively above our weight either (which is fine btw).

[makaveli1875]

:agree:

Without getting into the debate of whether he should go or not I just don’t see the logic that we’re incapable of improving on him or even just matching him. I could understand if we were Kilmarnock and had Clarke as manager but as good a job as NL has done we’ve hardly punched massively above our weight either (which is fine btw).

Lennon would extremely difficult to replace . Who could we realistically get thats an improvement

[Famous Fiver]

I am an unequivocal Lennon supporter.

I am happy that he is as good as we have had for many years and after suffering with duds from Walter Galbraith, Dave Ewing through to Calderwood and Butcher I just think that the whiners on here should be careful what they wish for.

Just my opinion.

[Hibiza]

Lewis Allan & Oli Shaw , was that a wind up.

[calumhibee1]

Lennon would extremely difficult to replace . Who could we realistically get thats an improvement

I don’t watch enough football elsewhere to have names lined up as replacements. I just don’t buy into the fact that we can’t improve on him when teams like Kilmarnock have went out and got Clarke who took them from relegation fodder when he came in to almost instantly putting together a run that would have saw them challenge for the title had he been in at the start of that season.

We picked Lennon up in the Championship. There will no doubt have been managers who wouldn’t have even considered coming here because of that who would now be interested now that we’re back up. We’d presumably now have a bigger pool of interested managers to choose from. I’m sure plenty out there could also guide Hibs to a 4th place finish.

[The Modfather]

Lennon would extremely difficult to replace . Who could we realistically get thats an improvement

You’re not really up for any form of debate are you. Rather than debate the points raised that as enjoyable as Lennons time has been in the main we have reached semi finals and finished 4th. All of which are good achievements, you just want us to give you hypothetical names with no insight to budgets or the recruitment process.

I’d be confident there’s some other manager somewhere in the world able to achieve 4th and semi finals whenever the time comes that we do need a new manager. Hopefully we can achieve our targets with Lennon.

If you’ve no actual desire for a debate, I’m out.

[J-C]

Got us out of the championship without Hearts and Rangers in it, football was generally ugly to watch but got us out. 1st half of last season was ok but was brave to get rid of his 2 strikers and kamberi/MacLaren loans were inspired. Roll on to this season and obviously we lost our main midfield, plaers brought in looked decent on paper but recruitment was all a bit stop start and by the time the full season actually started we were still 2-3 players short. A good few that have came in are just not good enough and injuries for some reason has been horrendous, add in to that Lennon's bizarre team selections and continuing with his back 3, plus his occasional rants or threat to quit, now it's a public slagging off regarding our main talisman striker by Lennon and Parker.

It's been a hello of a rollercoaster ride with Lennon, is he still the man to take us forward I'm not so sure, maybe give him the Jan window to sort things out but the jury for me is very much out and about to give their verdict.

[Hi Heid Yin]

He definitely needs more time but I must admit I'm losing faith. January transfer window is going to be massive for him.

The results have been an issue but more than that off field stuff has got me concerned.

We're hearing that Kamberi isn't working hard enough and his commitment is being questioned. But it's Lennon who has twice now publicly stated he was questioning his position. What would the reaction have been if Kamberi (or indeed any other player) had said that?

I thought it was odd that he stopped media duties and although not in itself a massive issue, didn't help when results were poor and you want to hear from the leader.

The chopping and changing of his team on a weekly basis strikes me as coming from a manager that doesn't know his best line up or formation and/or doesn't trust his players. And this is Neil Lennon's team now so he can't hide from any deficiencies in the squad - they are now almost all his signings.

The line up versus Killie and comments afterwards also really worried me - we put out a Levien type team and basically decided to play for a draw. Against Killie. Similarly every game at Tynecastle I go in hoping to see us put a tough but attacking team out. And every game I'm disappointed (for a 'born winner' his record is shocking there).

Finally, his treatment of Kamberi has been very, very poor. A lot of pro Lennon posters demanding we unquestionably back the manager whilst apparently being OK with throwing one of our best players under the bus in public, with some even wanting rid in January. But to question Lennon is apparently a no no.

Despite all the above he needs more time. And at the games he'll get my support. But I don't think he'll be around come the start of the next season.

I'll happily come back on here and eat humble pie if I'm wrong.


As a so-called pro Lennon poster, I personally have never "demanded" any anti-Lennon poster to "unquestionably back the manager", nor do I recall reading any post by any Hibby "demanding" the same.

I also accept our manager will be questioned by fellow Hibbies. Believe me, I also have questioned him. This surely is what an open forum is all about.

As a Lennon supporter I have said repeatedly, that the forthcoming transfer window unequivocably needs plundering in order to secure "more

dynamic and better quality" players, in particular in midfield.

I am prepared to give Neil lennon the benefit of the doubt in the 2nd half of this campaign, based on how successful he was in securing quality players in last January's transfer window

and how he guided us to vastly improved performances and consistency during the 2nd half of last season.

[Centre Hawf]

Lennon would extremely difficult to replace . Who could we realistically get thats an improvement

This patter needs to stop.

[we are hibs]

We had one above average season last year where we finished 4th. Before Lennon arrived we were failing to get out of the second tier.
This season we are having a normal season for Hibs having lost our entire midfield in the summer- the best midfield in the country bar Celtic.
Yes we have had some poor performances this season. On the plus side we have lost once at home in the last calendar year.
Things could be better but you don't have to look far back at all to see things could be a hell of a lot worse too.
January is almost here and I reckon we will look significantly better after the transfer window same as last year.
If by the end of the season we have not picked up then I expect the manager won't need to be told it's not good enough.
Christ knows what some of you must have been like when we actually were pish.

That's a pitiful attitude. So we were *****/mediocre in the past we should accept it now?

[flash]

That's a pitiful attitude. So we were *****/mediocre in the past we should accept it now?

That is nothing remotely close to what I said in my post but you know that. Pathetic

[One Day Soon]

That's a pitiful attitude. So we were *****/mediocre in the past we should accept it now?

That is, literally, not what he said.

[superfurryhibby]

Very valid point. Lennon is on a personal mission to rebuild his reputation. He had done than with seasons 1 and 2, but it's now falling apart. He can't claim the Hibs Board haven't backed him, so really has to do all he can to turn this slump around otherwise all the good work will count for little.

What we don't need is him having a hissy fit, throwing the babies out with the bathwater (perhaps players the fans value more than him !) and bringing in expensive short term fixes to save his own skin - only for him to bolt at the end of the season, leaving us with an expensive mess. Hibs Board's confidence in Lennon will be shown through the resources they give him in January.

This in a nutshell sums up my own concern. Dempster and co need to see the bigger picture here, and I'm fairly confident that they will. I'm happy for Lennon to wheel and deal, as he did last year, but it mustn't be a gamble on any main assets. By all means be bold, be decisive etc, but only within the boundaries of good sense.

[SirDavidsNapper]

There were many who weren't too impressed when Lennon got the job in the first place due to his massive affiliation with Celtic and the way he behaves. Most of his first interviews with us ended up about Celtic (not his fault just showed what his status still is there) which i found extremely frustrating. I was sceptical myself but he won me over last season until the way be behaved at Tynecastle. Most petulant/embarrassing behaviour I've ever seen from a Hibs manager. He's been on thin ice in my eyes ever since. Tynecastle again this season was rediculous. Some of his behaviour is strange to say the least. No doubting he is a good manager but somebody on here made an excellent comparison to Mourinhio at Man United. Strange team selections, issues with the media, calling out players it's all a shambles. It doesn't matter how good a manager you are once you start losing respect it's game over. Massive few games for us and Lennon now. The derby is critical. I'm not a Lennon hater i just want the best for Hibs and right now we're toiling. 2 wins in 11 saw the likes of Duffy/Hughes/Fenlon//Butcher emptied. Lennon shouldn't be immune because of his standing in the game.

[eastcoasthibby]

We will never know what went on in the summer with transfer targets and what was made available financially to try and ensure we progressed, although that was a tall order given we lost a great midfield.
I actually lay responsibility for where we are straight at our summer transfer/signing dealings whether it was recruitment not identifying the right quality , the Board's tight wage structure, or NL's player selection of what he wanted to bring in (ie squad balance) because the summer was a shambles in terms of getting players in to meet our needs, who were fit, or would be for the start of the season or in the right positions.
From the start we have had unfit, injured or off form affecting playing as strong a team as posible it all adds.up to more than NL's management ....lets hope January transfer window is more professionally handled.

[we are hibs]

That is, literally, not what he said.

It's what the Lennon supporters always say. "We were **** 5/10/15 years ago so we should expect nothing less now" despite record crowds and a genuine chance to progress the club and its being wasted away. Not expecting cups every single season or finishing 2nd but expecting better than bottom 6 and toiling at home to sides like livi and st.mirren.

[The Harp Awakes]

Lewis Allan & Oli Shaw , was that a wind up.

If it was a wind up, it certainly had the desired effect with most supporters. When I saw the team before kick off on Saturday, I went from expecting a win to hoping we didn't get beat. I suspect the Manager was playing mind games with Kamberi and MacLaren, but that nonsense ended up costing us 2 points.

[we are hibs]

We had one above average season last year where we finished 4th. Before Lennon arrived we were failing to get out of the second tier.
This season we are having a normal season for Hibs having lost our entire midfield in the summer- the best midfield in the country bar Celtic.
Yes we have had some poor performances this season. On the plus side we have lost once at home in the last calendar year.
Things could be better but you don't have to look far back at all to see things could be a hell of a lot worse too.
January is almost here and I reckon we will look significantly better after the transfer window same as last year.
If by the end of the season we have not picked up then I expect the manager won't need to be told it's not good enough.
Christ knows what some of you must have been like when we actually were pish.


That is nothing remotely close to what I said in my post but you know that. Pathetic

You're claiming we are having a normal season. So you're claiming because we have been in this situation before that it's acceptable now as you're using it in your defence of Lennon. The lack of ambition and settling for second best amongst some hibs fans is what's pathetic. Wanting to let the past define the club for the future. I personally don't want to see us slip back into a bottom 6 side scrapping about picking up the odd wins here and there with zero consistency in performances and don't want that to be seen as "normal". This season has been poor and Lennon has shown nothing to suggest he will turn it around. We ended up sleepwalking into mediocrity and eventual relegation last time; we can't make the same mistake again.

[B.H.F.C]

It's what the Lennon supporters always say. "We were **** 5/10/15 years ago so we should expect nothing less now" despite record crowds and a genuine chance to progress the club and its being wasted away. Not expecting cups every single season or finishing 2nd but expecting better than bottom 6 and toiling at home to sides like livi and st.mirren.

I wouldn’t be getting too hung up about league positions at the moment.

If we finish 7th then complain about it. Despite our struggles we’re not exactly a million miles away from the European places.

Improvement is needed, obviously.

[neil7908]

As a so-called pro Lennon poster, I personally have never "demanded" any anti-Lennon poster to "unquestionably back the manager", nor do I recall reading any post by any Hibby "demanding" the same.

I also accept our manager will be questioned by fellow Hibbies. Believe me, I also have questioned him. This surely is what an open forum is all about.

As a Lennon supporter I have said repeatedly, that the forthcoming transfer window unequivocably needs plundering in order to secure "more

dynamic and better quality" players, in particular in midfield.

I am prepared to give Neil lennon the benefit of the doubt in the 2nd half of this campaign, based on how successful he was in securing quality players in last January's transfer window

and how he guided us to vastly improved performances and consistency during the 2nd half of last season.

You've argued passionately and clearly in defence of the manger on other threads and I respect your stance. I actually think we're probably not that far away from each other.

However, I have read a couple of other posts on here basically say we should punt Kamberi in January as he's not performing, Lennon is the best manager in their time supporting the club and that the fans who are unhappy with being in the bottom 6 are basically bed wetters who will drive out a manager that is irreplaceable.

That's the kinda stuff I find puzzling.

[Hi Heid Yin]

You've argued passionately and clearly in defence of the manger on other threads and I respect your stance. I actually think we're probably not that far away from each other.

However, I have read a couple of other posts on here basically say we should punt Kamberi in January as he's not performing, Lennon is the best manager in their time supporting the club and that the fans who are unhappy with being in the bottom 6 are basically bed wetters who will drive out a manager that is irreplaceable.

That's the kinda stuff I find puzzling.

I don't want to see Kamberi punted as he is quality, but quality without effort effectively leaves us a man short.

When Kamberi puts his mind to it, he is the best player we currently have in "making life difficult for defenders", but Neil Lennon and his team are best placed to make a call on him and his future at ER.

They see a Kamberi behind the scenes and on the training pitch that we do not.

Only Kamberi can answer his critics, and the best way to do that is on the pitch.

If Kamberi is prone to "downing tools" and "selling his team-mates short", then his future will soon be decided by our club.

Should it come to him being moved on for the aforementioned reasons, then I would fully respect and accept and understand such a decision.

[jacomo]

This patter needs to stop.


Why? It’s a reasonable point isn’t it?

[jacomo]

That's a pitiful attitude. So we were *****/mediocre in the past we should accept it now?


For the sake of the season of goodwill if nothing else, please take your needlessly combative nonsense elsewhere or just give it a rest for a while.

Taking a broader view is a good thing. We all know you can’t do that, there is no need to bash on forever about it.

Peace and happiness for Christmas and 2019.

[calumhibee1]

Why? It’s a reasonable point isn’t it?

Depends how you read it. Makaveli said he’d be difficult to replace, if you’re a big NL fan then I can accept you might think that. There’s been numerous posts recently however that have either point blank said we cant get someone as good and others that have alluded to us not being able to replace him with someone as good. There’s absolutely no logical reason to suggest that when LD has made a wonderful appointment in Stubbs and then followed that up with another successful one in NL, the first of which was on the back of a relegation and we were an absolute **** show and the second of which was in the second tier. Quite why people are so adamant we couldn’t at least get someone as good if not better now that we’re in a much more desirable league to manage in I’m not really sure. Kilmarnock managed to get someone better and they’ve got about half our budget (that’s not even a dig at Lennon btw, Clarke is IMO the best manager in our league by a considerable distance).

[eastmainsmsh]

To be fair I think the press like to magnify things with Neil Lennon . However every striker hits a blip it’s a pity flo and Mac aren’t hitting the highs of last season the sooner the better

[Centre Hawf]

Why? It’s a reasonable point isn’t it?

Not at all in my mind. People are putting him on a pedastal that is totally undeserved imo. As some one else said why does everyone think we’ll not find a good manager to replace him considering LD has appointed back to back managers that have brought the club silverware. No one had heard of Stubbs’ managerial work at Everton, nor Tony Mowbray’s back in the day. We also have no idea who would actually apply for it, much like Clarke going to Killie.

This idea that we CANNOT and WILL NOT get better than Lennon is just flat out wrong in my opinion. I cannot see how anyone thinks that considering what has been a good yet unspectacular tenure in charge here.

[pacoluna]

Not at all in my mind. People are putting him on a pedastal that is totally undeserved imo. As some one else said why does everyone think we’ll not find a good manager to replace him considering LD has appointed back to back managers that have brought the club silverware. No one had heard of Stubbs’ managerial work at Everton, nor Tony Mowbray’s back in the day. We also have no idea who would actually apply for it, much like Clarke going to Killie.

This idea that we CANNOT and WILL NOT get better than Lennon is just flat out wrong in my opinion. I cannot see how anyone thinks that considering what has been a good yet unspectacular tenure in charge here.

We can't get currently get a better manager than Lennon though.. Steve clarke would be the only person I would slightly consider, but wouldnt sack Lennon pay him off then pay Killie money for him. Lennon absolutely does not deserved to be sacked and for anyone to suggest so is an idiot.

[Centre Hawf]

We can't get currently get a better manager than Lennon though.. Steve clarke would be the only person I would slightly consider, but wouldnt sack Lennon pay him off then pay Killie money for him. Lennon absolutely does not deserved to be sacked and for anyone to suggest so is an idiot.

Are we only allowed to look at managers you know of?

[pacoluna]

Are we only allowed to look at managers you know of?

What you wanting ? A manager to come in and win us the league? One sticky patch and we should sack a perfectly good manager in Lennon and open gates for a load of random managers to put their name in the ring?

[calumhibee1]

We can't get currently get a better manager than Lennon though

Why’s that? Other than because you say so.

[Centre Hawf]

What you wanting ? A manager to come in and win us the league? One sticky patch and we should sack a perfectly good manager in Lennon and open gates for a load of random managers to put their name in the ring?

I’ve never actually said I want Lennon sacked. I think he should be given longer to turn this round, however I am having major doubts on whether he actually will or not and I don’t think he will be here next summer regardless if he does or not.

I just can’t understand how anyone can sit here and tell me we won’t get better than him should he and the club decide to part ways. But we’ve seen in Stubbs and Mowbray that actually some times a random manager isn’t the worst approach. I have faith that LD will find the right candidate whenever it is she starts her search for his replacement just like she’s done the last two occasions.

To echo what another poster said earlier it seems like some people can see no wrong in him. It’s borderline cringey the level of love that seems to pour for him at times.

[pacoluna]

Why’s that? Other than because you say so.

No because most of us sane Hibs supporters appreciate that a long with our board. Repetitive moaners like yourself will just keep going around in circles though through some kind of spite and endless clichés like "do you accept mediocracy" "Lennon can't do anything wrong" blah blah blah, it's so tedious.

[pacoluna]

I’ve never actually said I want Lennon sacked. I think he should be given longer to turn this round, however I am having major doubts on whether he actually will or not and I don’t think he will be here next summer regardless if he does or not.

I just can’t understand how anyone can sit here and tell me we won’t get better than him should he and the club decide to part ways. But we’ve seen in Stubbs and Mowbray that actually some times a random manager isn’t the worst approach. I have faith that LD will find the right candidate whenever it is she starts her search for his replacement just like she’s done the last two occasions.

To echo what another poster said earlier it seems like some people can see no wrong in him. It’s borderline cringey the level of love that seems to pour for him at times.

It's not a coincidence that anyone who talks about Lennon being under pressure, when he's not always seem to bring up Stubbs. Move on.

[calumhibee1]

No because most of us sane Hibs supporters appreciate that a long with our board. Repetitive moaners like yourself will just keep going around in circles though through some kind of spite and endless clichés like "do you accept mediocracy" "Lennon can't do anything wrong" blah blah blah, it's so tedious.

So no reason to think we can’t get as good or better then? Other than because you’re “sane” of course. Not quite sure what your sanity has to do with our ability to attract a new manager mind you.

[Centre Hawf]

It's not a coincidence that anyone who talks about Lennon being under pressure, when he's not always seem to bring up Stubbs. Move on.

No ones asking for Stubbs back. It’s just an example of previous work that can be done, much like your examples of previous managers that have done poorly.

I also find it interesting that in your attempts to defend Lennon you resort to questioning people’s intelligence and their sanity. If that’s how you wish to discuss this topic I’d ask you didnt bother.

[pacoluna]

So no reason to think we can’t get as good or better then? Other than because you’re “sane” of course. Not quite sure what you’re sanity has to do with our ability to attract a new manager mind you.

No one WANTS a new manager apart from an extreme minority including yourself. So on that consensus then no we can't currently do better managerial wise otherwise we would all be in agreement with you.

[pacoluna]

No ones asking for Stubbs back. It’s just an example of previous work that can be done, much like your examples of previous managers that have done poorly.

I also find it interesting that in your attempts to defend Lennon you resort to questioning people’s intelligence and their sanity. If that’s how you wish to discuss this topic I’d ask you didnt bother.

There's no reason to defend Lennon. My posts are to highlight idiotic posts, we all have different opinions (another cliche) but those of the opinion that Lennon shoujd leave are quite clearly In the minority but continue with their tedious repetive bull**** posts.

[Smartie]

I'm 100% behind Lennon, I love him as a manager.

That said, I don't like his recent handling of Flo and some of his recent team selections have been strange to say the least.

The team line-up I objected to most was the one that played brilliantly and beat Celtic though, so what do I know?

He obviously has to take some responsibility for our questionable summer transfer activity, but tbh he's been on a hiding to nothing since we finished the transfer window significantly weaker than we started it, inevitable as some degree of weakening might have been during the summer.

[calumhibee1]

No one WANTS a new manager apart from an extreme minority including yourself. So on that consensus then no we can't currently do better manager wise otherwise we would all be in agreement with you.

Ive actually said numerous times I’m willing to give Lennon more time.

So again, other than because you don’t want a new manager, you’ve no actual reason that we absolutely, point blank, 100% cannot get better.

To think that there’s not a manager in world football who could have had us higher than 7th place in the league halfway through the season. I’m quite stunned at that though but I’m glad you’ve enlightened me to this fact.

[calumhibee1]

There's no reason to defend Lennon. My posts are to highlight idiotic posts, we all have different opinions (another cliche) but those of the opinion that Lennon shoujd leave are quite clearly In the minority but continue with their tedious repetive bull**** posts.

A noble crusade to highlight the “idiots” that dare to disagree with you. And they should also stop posting their thoughts because they’re in a minority and you find people having a different opinion “tedious”. You do know how a forum works don’t you?

[pacoluna]

Ive actually said numerous times I’m willing to give Lennon more time.

So again, other than because you don’t want a new manager, you’ve no actual reason that we absolutely, point blank, 100% cannot get better.

To think that there’s not a manager in world football who could have had us higher than 7th place in the league halfway through the season. I’m quite stunned at that though but I’m glad you’ve enlightened me to this fact.

If we followed your theory we would have a diffeent manager after every 4 games.

And yes I still insist at this moment in time there is no realistic manager I know of that could do a better job.

[pacoluna]

A noble crusade to highlight the “idiots” that dare to disagree with you. And they should also stop posting their thoughts because they’re in a minority and you find people having a different opinion “tedious”. You do know how a forum works don’t you?

Crusade? There's about 5 of you on this forum that spout the same tosh out after every game. Its never ending.

[Hibees1973]

Yeah, we finished 4th last year but I don’t agree it was just an average season. Lennon had Hibs playing the best style of football I have seen in 20 years (Sauzee) era in a year we finished 3rd and got to the cup final. Prior to this it was the Tornadoes, early to mid 70’s.

Last year was an excellent season. Most Hibbies know that even when we play really well it has never manifested itself into a plethora of trophies.

Anyone who wants Lennon punted is an idiot. Yes, mistakes have been made with recruitment but Lennon should not take full responsibility for this. Hibs employ a host of scouting staff so they must take responsibility as well.

Previous transfer windows in the last couple of years have been productive, there is no debate with this.

I feel Lennon will take more control himself in this transfer window. He needs to ship some out and get more of his own players in. If this doesn’t work out and we are still in 7th/8th in the league at the end of the season, then that would be the time to question him.

I would also give him the summer 2019 transfer window as well as we lost 3 midfielders this year who would bless any Hibs team/squad in the last 40 years.

[BILLYHIBS]

Yeah, we finished 4th last year but I don’t agree it was just an average season. Lennon had Hibs playing the best style of football I have seen in 20 years (Sauzee) era in a year we finished 3rd and got to the cup final. Prior to this it was the Tornadoes, early to mid 70’s.

Last year was an excellent season. Most Hibbies know that even when we play really well it has never manifested itself into a plethora of trophies.

Anyone who wants Lennon punted is an idiot. Yes, mistakes have been made with recruitment but Lennon should not take full responsibility for this. Hibs employ a host of scouting staff so they must take responsibility as well.

Previous transfer windows in the last couple of years have been productive, there is no debate with this.

I feel Lennon will take more control himself in this transfer window. He needs to ship some out and get more of his own players in. If this doesn’t work out and we are still in 7th/8th in the league at the end of the season, then that would be the time to question him.

I would also give him the summer 2019 transfer window as well as we lost 3 midfielders this year who would bless any Hibs team/squad in the last 40 years.

I would give him this window if we do not finish top six Lenny will see that as a failure and will walk at the end of the season

[Hibees1973]

I would give him this window if we do not finish top six Lenny will see that as a failure and will walk at the end of the season

You are probably right, unless he gets a budget in summer 2019 that would satisfy him.

By summer 2019 Lennon will have been here 3 years. If he feels we have stagnated, or unlikely to push into the top 4 again I agree it’s likely he would walk.

[jacomo]

Are we only allowed to look at managers you know of?


If you compare Lennon to your dream appointment from left field then he will always come off second best.

I’ve seen enough Hibs managers to know that sometimes you appoint a promising young coach with good ideas and bags of enthusiasm, sometimes you appoint someone who’s out of their depth, and sometimes you appoint Terry Butcher.

So far Lennon has done everything asked of him, unlike many previous appointments. Hence why talk of sacking him is madness... unless you can convince us there is a bona fide superstar just desperate to come in.

Happy Christmas one and all.

[allmodcons]

If you compare Lennon to your dream appointment from left field then he will always come off second best.

I’ve seen enough Hibs managers to know that sometimes you appoint a promising young coach with good ideas and bags of enthusiasm, sometimes you appoint someone who’s out of their depth, and sometimes you appoint Terry Butcher.

So far Lennon has done everything asked of him, unlike many previous appointments. Hence why talk of sacking him is madness... unless you can convince us there is a bona fide superstar just desperate to come in.

Happy Christmas one and all.

:agree: The voice of reason.

Some of the crap posted on these boards just completely mesmerises me. Lennon is the best manager we've had at the club in ages.

[Hi Heid Yin]

:agree: The voice of reason.

Some of the crap posted on these boards just completely mesmerises me. Lennon is the best manager we've had at the club in ages.

:agree::agree:

[we are hibs]

There's no reason to defend Lennon. My posts are to highlight idiotic posts, we all have different opinions (another cliche) but those of the opinion that Lennon shoujd leave are quite clearly In the minority but continue with their tedious repetive bull**** posts.

Don't read them then? Personally I find posts like you just made every bit as tedious and repetitive and full of bull****

[we are hibs]

For the sake of the season of goodwill if nothing else, please take your needlessly combative nonsense elsewhere or just give it a rest for a while.

Taking a broader view is a good thing. We all know you can’t do that, there is no need to bash on forever about it.

Peace and happiness for Christmas and 2019.

Away you go. So it's okay for those who defend Lennon to ramble on the same ***** every time but those who think differently have to sit back and shut up? No thanks. Don't like it put me on ignore. Not going to change the way I post or my opinions because blinkered posters can't see past wee lenny.

[pacoluna]

Don't read them then? Personally I find posts like you just made every bit as tedious and repetitive and full of bull****

Good atleast I'm standing out, particularly to the 5 or so Muppets including yourself

[we are hibs]

Good atleast I'm standing out, particularly to the 5 or so Muppets including yourself

Muppets lol. At least I don't constantly slate a hibs manager who actually achieved something of note and worship someone who has threatened to walk every 5 minutes and has achieved nothing that wasn't expected of him. It's embarrassing.

[pacoluna]

Muppets lol. At least I don't constantly slate a hibs manager who actually achieved something of note and worship someone who has threatened to walk every 5 minutes and has achieved nothing that wasn't expected of him. It's embarrassing.

It's so true, that everyone who wants Lennon out keep on mentioning Stubbs. Get over it man,he's long gone.

[we are hibs]

It's so true, that everyone who wants Lennon out keep on mentioning Stubbs. Get over it man,he's long gone.

Because he done more for the club than Lennon. Yet gets way more criticism. you don't see why Lennon is being compared to the man he replaced?

[calumhibee1]

Good atleast I'm standing out, particularly to the 5 or so Muppets including yourself

Do you go for the personal attack route every time you disagree with somebody in real life over football? Or is it just part of your macho internet persona?

Rhetorical question btw. I’m fairly certain I know the answer.

[Slavers]

Neil Lennon is that answer to the question - is it cool to be ginger? Aye of course it is!

[jacomo]

Away you go. So it's okay for those who defend Lennon to ramble on the same ***** every time but those who think differently have to sit back and shut up? No thanks. Don't like it put me on ignore. Not going to change the way I post or my opinions because blinkered posters can't see past wee lenny.


Ah well mate your loss.

Happy Christmas all the same.

[pacoluna]

Do you go for the personal attack route every time you disagree with somebody in real life over football? Or is it just part of your macho internet persona?

Rhetorical question btw. I’m fairly certain I know the answer.

Rhetorical question.. but you think you know the answer 😁

[GreenOnions]

I find it very surprising that anyone who has followed Hibs over an extended period and understands anything about Scottish football would be suggesting that we should ditch Neil Lennon.

Like anyone he has made mistakes but it's just plain nuts to think we ought to be getting rid of him.

IMO we should give him all the support we can while he's here and back him to succeed. At some point he will leave and then, once again, we'll be at risk of being managed by the likes of Calderwood, Fenlon or Butcher.

We're lucky to have NL and some on here should be careful what they wish for

[H18S NX]

Guys how do you use the ignore button please,genuine question.

[snedzuk]

Guys how do you use the ignore button please,genuine question.

Supreme irony that no one has replied ! (I dont know btw - merry xmas)

[H18S NX]

Thanks for replying to me,merry xmas to you too m8.

[CathroMustStay]

... AYE HE IS!

:flag::nlgwa:flag:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Notice in most of the threads we are slaughtering certain players.
I feel more concerned about our management an team selections.
Also feel we need at least two top class signings / loans
We must have the funds given the crowd increases.


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Revision required?

[Coco Bryce]

Revision required?

Why? We were ***** today until Mackie came on. Zombies were all over us and Bogdan had a few great save. Yes. It's great we got a point. But there were large chunks of this game the players didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing.

[FitbaFolkKen]

There seems to be a desparation for us to fail and people be proved right. Using the stat of 2 wins in 12 to beat the club. We went 6 games where we were rubbish after the 6-0 thrashing of Hamilton.

We are 6 games unbeaten including 3 games versus the old firm in that run. Aye it isn't perfect but if we beat Hearts then 3 wins and 4 draws from that run of games is pretty good.

Aye it is a bit ropey just now but let's see what January brings.

[blackpoolhibs]

Last summers window was always going to be the hardest window for Lennon, he needed to replace Barker, Allan, McGeouch and McGinn.

We had a good start, and a blip that looks like its been addressed a little.

We are not good enough yet in midfield, and we have another window coming up to help. Lennon is not frightened to ship out players he may have recently brought in, like Murray or Stokes.

We are not that far away from a decent side, i think we will strengthen in January, maybe a little faith wouldnt go amiss?

[allmodcons]

Why? We were ***** today until Mackie came on. Zombies were all over us and Bogdan had a few great save. Yes. It's great we got a point. But there were large chunks of this game the players didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing.

Sorry but this is a shocking summary of the game. Yes Bogdan had some good saves but so did McGregor for Sevco.

You obviously have an agenda, your suggestion that the players didn't have a clue about what they were supposed to be doing is just laughable.

[18Craig75]

Why? We were ***** today until Mackie came on. Zombies were all over us and Bogdan had a few great save. Yes. It's great we got a point. But there were large chunks of this game the players didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing.

What game were you watching.


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[calumhibee1]

What game were you watching.


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To be fair you said elsewhere that we were brilliant to a man. I’m sure the majority of folk would disagree with that aswell.

[18Craig75]

To be fair you said elsewhere that we were brilliant to a man.

I take it you would disagree?

We moved the ball well, dug in and got a result at Ibrox.

Bogdan made a few good saves when he needed to.

Couple of dodgy moments at the back, but we held on and kept going at them.

Great performance from the players and management - unless of course you are extremely negative or have an agenda.


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[Coco Bryce]

Sorry but this is a shocking summary of the game. Yes Bogdan had some good saves but so did McGregor for Sevco.

You obviously have an agenda, your suggestion that the players didn't have a clue about what they were supposed to be doing is just laughable.

Opinions eh.

[calumhibee1]

I take it you would disagree?

We moved the ball well, dug in and got a result at Ibrox.

Bogdan made a few good saves when he needed to.

Couple of dodgy moments at the back, but we held on and kept going at them.

Great performance from the players and management - unless of course you are extremely negative or have an agenda.


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I thought we played alright as a team and were probably worthy of a point, definitely not brilliant though. Didn’t think Maclaren done a lot and I thought the centre of midfield weren’t great either. I don’t think we were anywhere close to being brilliant to a man and with the amount of other comments on the midfield I’d suggest alot of folk thought that.

[18Craig75]

I thought we played alright as a team and were probably worthy of a point, definitely not brilliant though. Didn’t think Maclaren done a lot and I thought the centre of midfield weren’t great either. I don’t think we were anywhere close to being brilliant to a man and with the amount of other comments on the midfield I’d suggest alot of folk thought that.

Good for you mate, I’m more a glass half full kind of guy.

Brilliant result - bring on the Jambos.


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[calumhibee1]

Good for you mate, I’m more a glass half full kind of guy.

Brilliant result - bring on the Jambos.


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Glass half full is fine and if you thought we were brilliant to a man then bash on. I’d love to here the description you’d use for our performance for the Celtic game the other week mind you if you thought every player today was brilliant :greengrin

[BoomtownHibees]

Why? We were ***** today until Mackie came on. Zombies were all over us and Bogdan had a few great save. Yes. It's great we got a point. But there were large chunks of this game the players didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing.

Did you watch the game on the radio?

[18Craig75]

Glass half full is fine and if you thought we were brilliant to a man then bash on. I’d love to here the description you’d use for our performance for the Celtic game the other week mind you if you thought every player today was brilliant :greengrin

Outstanding to a man that day [emoji6]


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[SquashedFrogg]

Glass half full is fine and if you thought we were brilliant to a man then bash on. I’d love to here the description you’d use for our performance for the Celtic game the other week mind you if you thought every player today was brilliant :greengrin

You really can't just accept a good result without a negative slant, can you? Odd approach to life but each to their own I guess.

[flash]

To be fair you said elsewhere that we were brilliant to a man. I’m sure the majority of folk would disagree with that aswell.

Quite a surprise you chose to back the poster with the negative slant against the positive one.
Absolutely relentless.

[calumhibee1]

You really can't just accept a good result without a negative slant, can you? Odd approach to life but each to their own I guess.

I’ve said elsewhere it was a good result. It doesn’t mean I can’t think the midfield were poor, which it would seem plenty other folk also thought, does it? Or do I just have to say every player was faultless because we drew a game? :confused:

[calumhibee1]

Quite a surprise you chose to back the poster with the negative slant against the positive one.
Absolutely relentless.

Backed? I never ‘backed’ anyone. If you read my other posts you’d realise I disagree with his summary actually.

[oldbutdim]

I'm well pleased with that result. Keeps our record against the Newhuns at a very acceptable level.
I'm not really surprised the captious scholars are viewing the result differently from me at all.

:cool2:

[SquashedFrogg]

I’ve said elsewhere it was a good result. It doesn’t mean I can’t think the midfield were poor, which it would seem plenty other folk also thought, does it? Or do I just have to say every player was faultless because we drew a game? :confused:

It's every week though. Just enjoy todays result. Think of the positives for once. You'll feel better.

[500miles]

Mallan and Hyndman got bullied today, but we managed to get ourselves a point. We need someone in the midfield who can take the game by the scruff of the neck though, and then we'll start turning draws into wins.

[hibs4life]

Seems to be a lot of confusion over good results and good performances. For me it's fine to critique the performance, no matter the result. A bit better today and encouraging in some aspects from what I saw via a stream but still much room for improvement

[The_Horde]

Mallan and Hyndman got bullied today, but we managed to get ourselves a point. We need someone in the midfield who can take the game by the scruff of the neck though, and then we'll start turning draws into wins.

Mallan didn't from what I seen.

[MWHIBBIES]

No reason to be disappointed at all with a point today. 3 on Saturday make it an excellent one. A solid 2nd half will have us right up the league. It's very close and a few positive results will change everything.

[kaimendhibs]

Why? We were ***** today until Mackie came on. Zombies were all over us and Bogdan had a few great save. Yes. It's great we got a point. But there were large chunks of this game the players didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing.Not at the game I was at.

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[Beefster]

Guys how do you use the ignore button please,genuine question.

Click on the poster’s name, ‘View Profile’ and then, under their profile, there is an option to add to the ignore list (or similar).

Unless you’ve already worked the steps out and it was my posts that you wanted to ignore...

[PaulSmith]

Mallan and Hyndman got bullied today, but we managed to get ourselves a point. We need someone in the midfield who can take the game by the scruff of the neck though, and then we'll start turning draws into wins.

Funny i just had a quick look on a Rangers forum and they are all commenting on how Hibs dominated the midfield.

i would be somewhere in the middle TBH, Mallon was decent in a deeper role and I thought Slivka was one of the better players on the park. Hydnman has never been my cup of tea but Hibs latest unbeaten run concludes with him returning.

To answer the ttile of the thread, absolutely.

[J-C]

I take it you would disagree?

We moved the ball well, dug in and got a result at Ibrox.

Bogdan made a few good saves when he needed to.

Couple of dodgy moments at the back, but we held on and kept going at them.

Great performance from the players and management - unless of course you are extremely negative or have an agenda.


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Rangers were mostly all over us in the 1st half, our midfield were pretty poor and most of the players looked like they hadn't played with each other before, I still blame Lennon and the set up and when he does change it it's no surprise we start playing better. Never a great performance by the team or management but they did well to stick in and gain a hard earned point, hopefully if Hyndman, Agyepong and Nelom can move on to free up wages and we get Allan and AN Other in midfield that can add that quality, we're not far away.

[kaimendhibs]

Rangers were mostly all over us in the 1st half, our midfield were pretty poor and most of the players looked like they hadn't played with each other before, I still blame Lennon and the set up and when he does change it it's no surprise we start playing better. Never a great performance by the team or management but they did well to stick in and gain a hard earned point, hopefully if Hyndman, Agyepong and Nelom can move on to free up wages and we get Allan and AN Other in midfield that can add that quality, we're not far away.No they weren't. They only got the lead because of a defensive mistake.

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[J-C]

No they weren't. They only got the lead because of a defensive mistake.

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I'll need to change my glasses prescription then because what I watched in the 1st half was a non existent midfield, giving the ball away all the time and Rangers capitalising on that, 2nd half was much better, especially when Gray came on and he changed the shape of the team. Most annoying thing from today was that this is a very ordinary Rangers team and we let them off the hook because we are soft in the middle right now, hopefully Lennon gets in the players to change that, we're not that far off TBH.

[Famous Fiver]

Reading the Rangers cesspit of a fans forum they were very critical of their midfield and blamed them for not winning. Surely our midfield must at least have had at least something to do with it.

Very strange that, since posters on here have been gunning for Hyndman and Mallan.

i think it's time some on here got behind our players, look for the positives and stop whining.

In my opinion.

[J-C]

Reading the Rangers cesspit of a fans forum they were very critical of their midfield and blamed them for not winning. Surely our midfield must at least have had at least something to do with it.

Very strange that, since posters on here have been gunning for Hyndman and Mallan.

i think it's time some on here got behind our players, look for the positives and stop whining.

In my opinion.


I think it may more to do with the fact they had a lot of the ball but didn't do enough with it, lots of possession without really threatening us.

[kaimendhibs]

I'll need to change my glasses prescription then because what I watched in the 1st half was a non existent midfield, giving the ball away all the time and Rangers capitalising on that, 2nd half was much better, especially when Gray came on and he changed the shape of the team. Most annoying thing from today was that this is a very ordinary Rangers team and we let them off the hook because we are soft in the middle right now, hopefully Lennon gets in the players to change that, we're not that far off TBH.The only shot they had in the first half they scored from. Efe gave the ball away several times I agree and was raging at midfield a few times. But I still maintain Rangers did not run all over us.

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[J-C]

The only shot they had in the first half they scored from. Efe gave the ball away several times I agree and was raging at midfield a few times. But I still maintain Rangers did not run all over us.

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They did in the 1st half but thankfully they did nothing with the ball when they had it, most of that half was played in our half, a game of 2 halfs, not disappointed today just frustrated watching us huff and puff at times against an average Rangers side, as I said hopefully Lennon and the team can bring in the players to make us even better.

[andyf5]

The reality is we are 8th and behind Kilmarnock, Livingstone and St Johnstone. Not acceptable. I want Neil to continue as manager but we need to improve our position. Luck always plays a part but managers need to make luck happen.

[One Day Soon]

The reality is we are 8th and behind Kilmarnock, Livingstone and St Johnstone. Not acceptable. I want Neil to continue as manager but we need to improve our position. Luck always plays a part but managers need to make luck happen.

Improve our position exactly like we are in the middle of doing you mean?

[BoomtownHibees]

I'll need to change my glasses prescription then because what I watched in the 1st half was a non existent midfield, giving the ball away all the time and Rangers capitalising on that, 2nd half was much better, especially when Gray came on and he changed the shape of the team. Most annoying thing from today was that this is a very ordinary Rangers team and we let them off the hook because we are soft in the middle right now, hopefully Lennon gets in the players to change that, we're not that far off TBH.

Gray coming on didn’t change the shape of the team at all. We still played the same formation, just meant Boyle was up top in place of McLaren

[Jonnyboy]

Why? We were ***** today until Mackie came on. Zombies were all over us and Bogdan had a few great save. Yes. It's great we got a point. But there were large chunks of this game the players didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing.

Wow, I've obviously been at a different game!

[Centre Hawf]

I had hoped we pick up a win in the two games Vs Rangers but going unbeaten against the Old Firm is nothing to be sniffed at. We let ourselves down by failing to beat Livi and it renders wins against Celtic near enough pointless cause it ends up just making up the difference on where we should be rather than being “bonus points” so to speak.

That being said a win against Hearts will be a nice end to the year and hopefully set up confidence going into the Winter Break. We do however need to start turning the silly draws Vs Dundee, St Mirren, and Livi to 3 points to make a success of this season.

[IDHibs]

I had hoped we pick up a win in the two games Vs Rangers but going unbeaten against the Old Firm is nothing to be sniffed at. We let ourselves down by failing to beat Livi and it renders wins against Celtic near enough pointless cause it ends up just making up the difference on where we should be rather than being “bonus points” so to speak.

That being said a win against Hearts will be a nice end to the year and hopefully set up confidence going into the Winter Break. We do however need to start turning the silly draws Vs Dundee, St Mirren, and Livi to 3 points to make a success of this season.

:top marks

[H18S NX]

Click on the poster’s name, ‘View Profile’ and then, under their profile, there is an option to add to the ignore list (or similar).

Unless you’ve already worked the steps out and it was my posts that you wanted to ignore......Thanks Beefster,ha,and no it was not you,but there is one or two others m8 :aok:

[Greenworld]

Revision required?


Not sure why ViVa ill stick by what I'm saying and i think NL agrees as he himself said he is desperate to get players in