Historical child abuse within football [Archive] - Page 2

Cosmic Truth

12-12-2016, 06:57 AM

Exactly, and with the added bonus of giving Hibs a good kicking into the bargain. They have always been ****, they are trawling new depths now.

And the press and media are no better here too, all too frightened of upsetting the hordes.

I bet rangers are the only club who does this. I believe every other club, that have tried to hush up their teenage players being abused will hold their hands up. and accept they were wrong, but Rangers fans simply cannot allow themselves to accept their club acted the same way as other clubs, especially Celtic, did. It would destroy them.

For more than ten years their fans have rejoiced about the abuse of teenage boys, because it happened at Celtic. They have managed to convince themselves that child abuse is a problem for catholics. Their fans do cartwheels whenever they hear about a youngster being abused. as long as it was carried out by someone with a connection to Celtic, or the catholic church.

Like I said, for them to find out David Murray, Graeme Souness, and Walter Smith, did exactly what the old Celtic board did, and hushed up the abuse of teenage boys at their club, will absolutely destroy them. It simply can't be allowed to happen.

The press are the real problem here. In my opinion, this is far far worse than the "You can't liquidate a club" garbage they push, and all the other lies they tell to support the Rangers. This is covering up for a club who didn't report a pervert who abused teenage boys in a campaign to uncover perverts, and people who covered up for them. This latest lie, throwing Kenny Waugh under the bus to protect the people at Rangers, is absolutely vile. In my opinion, it's a new low for the press in this country.

Cosmic Truth

12-12-2016, 07:03 AM

How do you know he is making things up?

An extract from the book The Souness Revolution was posted on this thread that showed Hibs didn't sack Neely. They were raging that Rangers had poached him.

Hepburn is making out that Hibs sacked Neely, but didn't tell them anyone the reason why, and Rangers signed him up when they wouldn't have if Hibs had revealed the reason they sacked him. Why would Kenny Waugh be angry that Rangers signed Neely, if Hibs had already sacked him, and the coach was unemployed?

pontius pilate

12-12-2016, 07:05 AM

Yes, I think fans of a lot of clubs are in for an unpleasant time in the near future. Also, the spotlight here is only on football. There will be loads of sports where youngsters had perverts preying on them. I hope any investigation doesn't end at football.

Dame kelly Holmes said recently that athletics will also come out as well in her words it wouldn't suprise her if people in trust in that field acted improperly and victims find the courage to come forward.

JimBHibees

12-12-2016, 07:57 AM

An extract from the book The Souness Revolution was posted on this thread that showed Hibs didn't sack Neely. They were raging that Rangers had poached him.

Hepburn is making out that Hibs sacked Neely, but didn't tell them anyone the reason why, and Rangers signed him up when they wouldn't have if Hibs had revealed the reason they sacked him. Why would Kenny Waugh be angry that Rangers signed Neely, if Hibs had already sacked him, and the coach was unemployed?

Certainly doesnt fit with what is said and personally remember that the indications at the time were that he had been nicked by Rangers. Doesnt rule out Hibs knowing about him though and/or Waugh's Hepburns stories getting muddled over time.

CropleyWasGod

12-12-2016, 08:28 AM

Certainly doesnt fit with what is said and personally remember that the indications at the time were that he had been nicked by Rangers. Doesnt rule out Hibs knowing about him though and/or Waugh's Hepburns stories getting muddled over time.

..sadly, that will be a recurring theme. It was in the Savile and related cases, and it will be in these. There will be some who genuinely get mixed up, and others who will claim so.

Cosmic Truth

12-12-2016, 08:54 AM

Certainly doesnt fit with what is said and personally remember that the indications at the time were that he had been nicked by Rangers. Doesnt rule out Hibs knowing about him though and/or Waugh's Hepburns stories getting muddled over time.

It happened a long time ago, and peoples memories could easily play tricks on them, but I don't reckon that's what's happened here. I believe Level 5 have got someone who is prepared to throw Kenny Waugh to the wolves, to try and deflect away from how David Murray, Graeme Souness, and Walter Smith, handled the Neely scandal

Smartie

12-12-2016, 08:59 AM

People's memories may have become muddled and some might hide behind that as an excuse to push whatever agenda they have.

That's why texts written nearer to the time and official records will be important. There will more than likely be some legal documentation somewhere, along with a lot of newspaper stories from the time that will shed light on Neely's departure from his various clubs.

I think people will need to be pretty careful what they say. Because falsely accusing someone of being complicit in the cover-up of child abuse is a pretty serious accusation to make.

CropleyWasGod

12-12-2016, 09:10 AM

An extract from the book The Souness Revolution was posted on this thread that showed Hibs didn't sack Neely. They were raging that Rangers had poached him.

Hepburn is making out that Hibs sacked Neely, but didn't tell them anyone the reason why, and Rangers signed him up when they wouldn't have if Hibs had revealed the reason they sacked him. Why would Kenny Waugh be angry that Rangers signed Neely, if Hibs had already sacked him, and the coach was unemployed?

Just for balance, the book was published this year.

Cosmic Truth

12-12-2016, 10:09 AM

Just for balance, the book was published this year.

:aok:

blackpoolhibs

12-12-2016, 12:56 PM

How do you know he is making things up?

The only reason i know what Hepburn has said is complete bollox is because i knew Neely quite well, he was good at his job, and because of that i was quite annoyed he'd been poached by rangers at the time.

I never knew he was a perv, to me he was just a very driven man who was ruthless in his actions with players. He was friendly enough, but he knew what he wanted from a player, and if you were not good enough you were out the door.

Rangers poached him and he left for them, Hibs did not sack him, and Rangers know this.

ronaldo7

13-12-2016, 04:40 PM

SFA to hold "Independent" review into child abuse.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/pipe/news/scotland/sfa-to-establish-review-into-child-sex-abuse-allegations/

ancient hibee

13-12-2016, 05:35 PM

The only reason i know what Hepburn has said is complete bollox is because i knew Neely quite well, he was good at his job, and because of that i was quite annoyed he'd been poached by rangers at the time.

I never knew he was a perv, to me he was just a very driven man who was ruthless in his actions with players. He was friendly enough, but he knew what he wanted from a player, and if you were not good enough you were out the door.

Rangers poached him and he left for them, Hibs did not sack him, and Rangers know this.
I don't want to sound smartass but clearly you didn't know Neely at all and isn't that the point.I met Hepburn a few times at hospitality things at ER.He was undoubtedly more pally with Kenny Waugh than the average journalist.

blackpoolhibs

13-12-2016, 05:41 PM

I don't want to sound smartass but clearly you didn't know Neely at all and isn't that the point.I met Hepburn a few times at hospitality things at ER.He was undoubtedly more pally with Kenny Waugh than the average journalist.

I knew Neely through youth football, and would see him at least 3 maybe more times a week, i clearly did not know him well enough to know he was a pervert, but i know rangers approached him to sign for them, and going by Souness's book he does say a completely different version to what Hepburn says.

And even before seeing that book, it remember them coming in for him and being annoyed they were taking our coaches now along with any player they wanted too.

Where is the evidence he was sacked by Hibs?

ancient hibee

13-12-2016, 05:45 PM

I knew Neely through youth football, and would see him at least 3 maybe more times a week, i clearly did not know him well enough to know he was a pervert, but i know rangers approached him to sign for them, and going by Souness's book he does say a completely different version to what Hepburn says.

And even before seeing that book, it remember them coming in for him and being annoyed they were taking our coaches now along with any player they wanted too.

Where is the evidence he was sacked by Hibs?

I've no idea whether or not he was sacked by Hibs.I'm just pointing out how devious and to use your word ruthless child abusers are and to say that Hepburn had the contact he says he had.

superfurryhibby

13-12-2016, 06:01 PM

I don't want to sound smartass but clearly you didn't know Neely at all and isn't that the point.I met Hepburn a few times at hospitality things at ER.He was undoubtedly more pally with Kenny Waugh than the average journalist.

Surely you don't know anything about Hepburn's relationship with Waugh from observing them at a few hospitality things?

Blackpool said he actually knew the guy in question and made a few observations on his character, based on what he saw.

The point is, and it's one I find disturbing, that there are very conflicting accounts of what went on and that it would appear that even the basic facts around Neely's departure at Hibs are in doubt.

I also wonder if Mr Hepburn is donating his fee for feeding a story to the newspaper to a childrens abuse organisation or if he feels at all concerned that he was made aware of serious criminal offences against children and choose not to what any decent human being would do and pass on what he knew to the Police

blackpoolhibs

13-12-2016, 07:22 PM

I've no idea whether or not he was sacked by Hibs.I'm just pointing out how devious and to use your word ruthless child abusers are and to say that Hepburn had the contact he says he had.

He was not sacked by Hibs, he was poached by rangers. And that blows everything he said out the water. Neely may well have been a pervert, but rangers are dragging our clubs name through the mud here, and Hepburn for some reason is helping them.

Fanforlife

13-12-2016, 08:02 PM

Something clearly stinks with that statement, as i seem to remember thinking when he went to the hun that it was coaches now they were taking from us rather than players.

I dont think there was any sacking, as he went from Hibs to sevco after getting a better offer. And Neely was a big hun too and his aim in life was to get to ibrox in some capacity.Your spot on regarding statement stinking,first thing that jumps out for me is both sets of parents agreed to his actions being swept under the carpet,what parent would even think of doing this? I actually remember the guy from his Edina and Hibs days,thought he was a guy who knew his stuff,had no incling to his perverted nature,would probably have , back then set about him if I had known.Also remember him getting loads of stick for going to the Huns when he came into the Jewel for a drink so story about him being sacked is a crock of sheet !guy was tapped up with a better offer from the Huns,as has always been their way.

blackpoolhibs

13-12-2016, 08:30 PM

Your spot on regarding statement stinking,first thing that jumps out for me is both sets of parents agreed to his actions being swept under the carpet,what parent would even think of doing this? I actually remember the guy from his Edina and Hibs days,thought he was a guy who knew his stuff,had no incling to his perverted nature,would probably have , back then set about him if I had known.Also remember him getting loads of stick for going to the Huns when he came into the Jewel for a drink so story about him being sacked is a crock of sheet !guy was tapped up with a better offer from the Huns,as has always been their way.

:aok: :top marks

hibsboy69

13-12-2016, 08:54 PM

He was not sacked by Hibs, he was poached by rangers. And that blows everything he said out the water. Neely may well have been a pervert, but rangers are dragging our clubs name through the mud here, and Hepburn for some reason is helping them.

I knew Gordon Neely well. I was at Hutchie Vale with him and we went on trips to Dalguise and Denmark with Neely.

Neely had his "favourites", namely :-

John Collins, Eddie May, Allan Preston and lots of others. It would be intriguing if one of these known players came forward (appreciate they probably won't as it's an extremely difficult topic).

At Dalguise Neely used to take boys individually up to his room as "punishment". Thankfully I wasn't one of the boys, but I know people who were. It wasn't really spoken about.

My recollection is that whilst at Hibs there was an incident and parents of a boy complained to Hibs. The word back then was that there was an our of court settlement made to the parents. Neely then "moved" to Rangers.

So he may not have been "sacked" by Hibs but the word back then was that something definitely happened.

Scary to think that these events happened approx. 35 years ago !

As soon as the abuse story broke recently down south, myself and my football friends who I am still in contact with all said "Gordon Neely must be a worried man". We never realised that he died a coupe of years back.

So there you have it based on my experience.

blackpoolhibs

13-12-2016, 09:00 PM

I knew Gordon Neely well. I was at Hutchie Vale with him and we went on trips to Dalguise and Denmark with Neely.

Neely had his "favourites", namely :-

John Collins, Eddie May, Allan Preston and lots of others. It would be intriguing if one of these known players came forward (appreciate they probably won't as it's an extremely difficult topic).

At Dalguise Neely used to take boys individually up to his room as "punishment". Thankfully I wasn't one of the boys, but I know people who were. It wasn't really spoken about.

My recollection is that whilst at Hibs there was an incident and parents of a boy complained to Hibs. The word back then was that there was an our of court settlement made to the parents. Neely then "moved" to Rangers.

So he may not have been "sacked" by Hibs but the word back then was that something definitely happened.

Scary to think that these events happened approx. 35 years ago !

As soon as the abuse story broke recently down south, myself and my football friends who I am still in contact with all said "Gordon Neely must be a worried man". We never realised that he died a coupe of years back.

So there you have it based on my experience.

Obviously i dont know about any of this, and what you say could be right, but what do you have to say about Graham Souness, and whats written in his book?

As that is 100% how i remember it.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uOjuCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT133&lpg=PT133&dq=coach+gordon+neely+leaves+hibs+for+rangers+1986&source=bl&ots=cEQrXYOGkk&sig=aUuMmGJBSrz-P20x0R8u4HFdQy4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjesdbp1ezQAhWHIsAKHdtpASs4ChDoAQgmMAI#v =onepage&q=coach%20gordon%20neely%20leaves%20hibs%20for%20r angers%201986&f=false

hibsboy69

13-12-2016, 09:13 PM

Obviously i dont know about any of this, and what you say could be right, but what do you have to say about Graham Souness, and whats written in his book?

As that is 100% how i remember it.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uOjuCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT133&lpg=PT133&dq=coach+gordon+neely+leaves+hibs+for+rangers+1986&source=bl&ots=cEQrXYOGkk&sig=aUuMmGJBSrz-P20x0R8u4HFdQy4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjesdbp1ezQAhWHIsAKHdtpASs4ChDoAQgmMAI#v =onepage&q=coach%20gordon%20neely%20leaves%20hibs%20for%20r angers%201986&f=false

It sounds like the Huns did approach Hibs for Neely.

All I can say is that back then we were all talking about a complaint made by parents to Hibs which was settled "privately" (was common knowledge in the footballing world back then). Neely then ended up at The Huns.

CropleyWasGod

13-12-2016, 09:21 PM

Obviously i dont know about any of this, and what you say could be right, but what do you have to say about Graham Souness, and whats written in his book?

As that is 100% how i remember it.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uOjuCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT133&lpg=PT133&dq=coach+gordon+neely+leaves+hibs+for+rangers+1986&source=bl&ots=cEQrXYOGkk&sig=aUuMmGJBSrz-P20x0R8u4HFdQy4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjesdbp1ezQAhWHIsAKHdtpASs4ChDoAQgmMAI#v =onepage&q=coach%20gordon%20neely%20leaves%20hibs%20for%20r angers%201986&f=false
Remember that the book wasn't written by Souness. It was written by a journalist....and only published this year.

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Fanforlife

13-12-2016, 09:25 PM

I knew Gordon Neely well. I was at Hutchie Vale with him and we went on trips to Dalguise and Denmark with Neely.

Neely had his "favourites", namely :-

John Collins, Eddie May, Allan Preston and lots of others. It would be intriguing if one of these known players came forward (appreciate they probably won't as it's an extremely difficult topic).

At Dalguise Neely used to take boys individually up to his room as "punishment". Thankfully I wasn't one of the boys, but I know people who were. It wasn't really spoken about.

My recollection is that whilst at Hibs there was an incident and parents of a boy complained to Hibs. The word back then was that there was an our of court settlement made to the parents. Neely then "moved" to Rangers.

So he may not have been "sacked" by Hibs but the word back then was that something definitely happened.

Scary to think that these events happened approx. 35 years ago !

As soon as the abuse story broke recently down south, myself and my football friends who I am still in contact with all said "Gordon Neely must be a worried man". We never realised that he died a coupe of years back.

So there you have it based on my experience. No doubt that this is how you recall events from back then and far be it for me to dispute this.However I do find what the article says regarding parents being in agreement to sweep incidents under the carpet a total nonsense,what parent would put monetary gain before seeing an evil pervert getting away with molesting their child?Also as Blackpool says regarding Neely getting the Huns job being stated in Sounnes book certainly flies in the face of so called journalists article.

blackpoolhibs

13-12-2016, 09:29 PM

It sounds like the Huns did approach Hibs for Neely.

All I can say is that back then we were all talking about a complaint made by parents to Hibs which was settled "privately" (was common knowledge in the footballing world back then). Neely then ended up at The Huns.

I have no knowledge of what he got upto, but i do have to doubt why going by the book, Waugh would be so angry at rangers approach if he'd been paying families off for a pervert and his actions?

Remember that the book wasn't written by Souness. It was written by a journalist....this year.

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Yes i did know this Crops, but surely on his behalf? And as i have said many times here, its how i remembered it down to a T.

ancient hibee

13-12-2016, 09:36 PM

No doubt that this is how you recall events from back then and far be it for me to dispute this.However I do find what the article says regarding parents being in agreement to sweep incidents under the carpet a total nonsense,what parent would put monetary gain before seeing an evil pervert getting away with molesting their child?Also as Blackpool says regarding Neely getting the Huns job being stated in Sounnes book certainly flies in the face of so called journalists article.
At Crewe a group of parents saw Bennell and agreed to do nothing.These were different times.People were more liable to go along with "authority"especially if there was some cash in it and they didn't want their child to get publicity.The book has only just been written and will draw on accounts Of the time not inside knowledge.I have no knowledge of the events but it's commonsense that if the journalist writing it asked about Neely going to Rangers any Rangers insider would say that they had poached him.Who knows what's true?

hibsboy69

13-12-2016, 09:41 PM

No doubt that this is how you recall events from back then and far be it for me to dispute this.However I do find what the article says regarding parents being in agreement to sweep incidents under the carpet a total nonsense,what parent would put monetary gain before seeing an evil pervert getting away with molesting their child?Also as Blackpool says regarding Neely getting the Huns job being stated in Sounnes book certainly flies in the face of so called journalists article.

Yeah, I totally agree with the bit in bold - I am a parent myself and certainly never suggested this.

Back then we were all aware of the complaint......then Neely ended up at Rangers. It was thought/assumed that these things were linked. I could dig deeper as I still know a lot of people from back then.....but I'll let it lie. Difficult and emotive subject for all concerned.

Cheers.

hibsboy69

13-12-2016, 09:43 PM

greenginger

13-12-2016, 09:52 PM

Remember that the book wasn't written by Souness. It was written by a journalist....and only published this year.

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The book being published this year shows the story that Neely was poached by Rangers has gone unchallenged for 30 years.

Also , if as Ray Hepburn says Kenny Waugh wanted the Neely sacking story to remain a secret, why the hell would he tell a journalist of all people.

blackpoolhibs

13-12-2016, 09:58 PM

The book being published this year shows the story that Neely was poached by Rangers has gone unchallenged for 30 years.

Also , if as Ray Hepburn says Kenny Waugh wanted the Neely sacking story to remain a secret, why the hell would he tell a journalist of all people.

:agree: If that was me and i'd guess 99.9% of normal people, we'd go directly to the authorities with this information.

You have to ask why he went to the press with it, rather than the police?

ancient hibee

13-12-2016, 10:05 PM

You have to remember there was a different relationship between football and journalists.They were fed stories either to publicise it or keep it quiet.Many got bungs from clubs for tapping up players.It was often said that Stewart Brown brought more players to Hibs than any official scout.

jacomo

13-12-2016, 10:33 PM

At Crewe a group of parents saw Bennell and agreed to do nothing.These were different times.People were more liable to go along with "authority"especially if there was some cash in it and they didn't want their child to get publicity.The book has only just been written and will draw on accounts Of the time not inside knowledge.I have no knowledge of the events but it's commonsense that if the journalist writing it asked about Neely going to Rangers any Rangers insider would say that they had poached him.Who knows what's true?

Sadly this is true.

They were different times. Just look at how the Church covered up abuse by moving disgraced priests rather than reporting to the police (oh, the proddies too) and all those people abused by Savile. Victims felt shamed and thought the police wouldn't take them seriously.

Employers like Hibs might not have had faith in the justice system either, and victims might have been unwilling to give evidence.

This started to change in the 90s. A lot of the abusers brought to light in football have actually been convicted, albeit with lenient punishments by today's standards.

Pete

13-12-2016, 11:36 PM

It sounds like the Huns did approach Hibs for Neely.

All I can say is that back then we were all talking about a complaint made by parents to Hibs which was settled "privately" (was common knowledge in the footballing world back then). Neely then ended up at The Huns.

If this was "common knowledge" back then (common enough for a youngster to know the details) then it really calls Rangers role in this into question.

I find it very hard to believe that this would all take place and later on the blissfully unaware Rangers would be "duped" into signing him...all in a seamless transaction.

However, turning a blind eye to perverts in the name of success is more something that Celtic do so we can't have any of that. :hmmm:

NAE NOOKIE

14-12-2016, 02:13 AM

If you ask me this guy Ray Hepburn isn't exactly doing himself any favours ........ I know a few journalists and I cant think of a one of them who would agree to in effect cover up a huge front page story like this one would have been.
I'm willing to bet that the price of breaking this story ( if it is true ) would have been a falling out with Kenny Waugh which would have severely limited his access to Hibs stories which his self proclaimed cozy relationship with the chairman may well have given him first dibs on ...... call me a sceptic, but that seems more likely than keeping such a confidence merely for the sake of a personal friendship with Waugh, especially considering that Waugh himself was in no way complicit in the abuse.

If Hepburn's allegation that Hibs sacked Neely after finding out he was abusing kids is true and that Hibs did hush it up, why didn't Mr Hepburn place a quiet and anonymous phone call in the direction of Ibrox to warn them that they had employed a child abuser. or at the very least attempt to persuade Waugh to do so. From his own account he clearly believed that Waugh was telling the truth when he told him Neely had been sacked for abusing children at the club.
If you ask me, if Hibs are in any way to blame for Neely continuing to have a free hand to continue his abuse at Ibrox then Hepburn is no less to blame for that than Kenny Waugh or Hibs are. I wonder if the victims and their parents of his activities at Ibrox will 'understand' that keeping his friendship with Waugh was enough justification for HIM allowing a paedophile to go undetected.

Kenny Waugh isn't around any more to confirm or deny the validity of Hepburn's version of events and neither is Neely ..... The only two bits of evidence available at the moment are Hepburn's recollection of what happened and an extract from a book quoted on here that states that far from being sacked by Hibs Neely was tapped up by Rangers and left the club of his own accord, which if true casts doubt on Hepburn's version of events.

Kenny Waugh didn't run Hibs on his own, I find it hard to believe that he could have sacked a man who was clearly looked upon at the time as one of the top coaches in Scotland without anybody else at the club knowing why he had sacked him or at least asking Waugh why he had sacked him ...... where are these people now, what is their version of events? If Waugh did sack Neely what did he tell other staff at the club were his reasons for doing so?

Nobody wants to see this situation turn into point scoring or whitabootery ..... but it seems to me that there is a drive on to make Hibs appear complicit in what happened at Ibrox and by doing so divert attention from any failings by Rangers at the time. That simply cant be allowed to happen. If Hepburn's account turns out to be true then fine, we will just have to suck it up and face the fact that our club did a disgusting thing, but until he can corroborate his story I for one am not prepared to just take his word for it.

Fanforlife

14-12-2016, 03:01 PM

Yeah, I totally agree with the bit in bold - I am a parent myself and certainly never suggested this.

Back then we were all aware of the complaint......then Neely ended up at Rangers. It was thought/assumed that these things were linked. I could dig deeper as I still know a lot of people from back then.....but I'll let it lie. Difficult and emotive subject for all concerned.

Cheers.Bit in bold is in reference to the Journalist statement and not your self Hibsboy69, sorry if you got the impression I meant you.

Fanforlife

14-12-2016, 03:07 PM

Devils advocate here I suppose after previous post from me. If Hepburn / Journalist is correct in what he says regarding Kenny Waughs role in this, does that not make him compliant or an accessory in a cover up. If so then surely Plod should be having a word with him?

greenginger

14-12-2016, 03:23 PM

Is there any indication when Hepburn/Waugh were meant to have had this conversation.

Was it soon after Neely left Hibs or much more recently ?

hibsboy69

14-12-2016, 04:26 PM

Bit in bold is in reference to the Journalist statement and not your self Hibsboy69, sorry if you got the impression I meant you.

Cool mate - that's what I thought. Just wanted to reiterate/agree with what you said :aok:

hibsboy69

10-04-2017, 06:02 PM

BBC1 tonight at 10.40pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39553258

Powerful stuff.

hibsboy69

10-04-2017, 10:54 PM

Blackpool - did u watch the programme?

Powerful stuff indeed. Would be interested in your comments once you watch it.

hibsboy69

10-04-2017, 10:57 PM

Ii should add that I played alongside Jonny Cleland and had no idea what was happening to the poor lad.

Hats off to him for being brave enough to come forward. Hopefully more will follow.

Itsnoteasy

10-04-2017, 11:05 PM

I just watched that wee trailer.

I was the year below Johnnie Cleland at Tynie High.

Absolutely gut wrenching.

A young lads youth tore away from him.

Well done Johnnie for having the bravery to come forward.

hibsboy69

10-04-2017, 11:26 PM

CMurdoch

11-04-2017, 12:48 AM

Ii should add that I played alongside Jonny Cleland and had no idea what was happening to the poor lad.

Hats off to him for being brave enough to come forward. Hopefully more will follow.

Jonny and the Aberdeen guy Levi came across really well. Very brave of both of them to speak out.
Sad, sad stuff.

Nakedmanoncrack

11-04-2017, 06:49 AM

I don't believe for a minute that Neely was sacked by Hibs, he was highly regarded at the time and it was one of Souness' first moves to bring him in to overhaul the youth set up at Ibrox. I recall him going & being disappointed as several good young players had come through in those years (Collins, Kane, Weir, Hunter etc).

blackpoolhibs

11-04-2017, 07:00 AM

Blackpool - did u watch the programme?

Powerful stuff indeed. Would be interested in your comments once you watch it.

I didnt, i couldnt see it on my planner? Can we see it on iplayer yet?

CraigHibee

11-04-2017, 07:07 AM

that was tough viewing, massive massive thing for the guys to come forward, would have taken a lot of guts and courage to do so, pity Neely died so he could't face up to his actions

CraigHibee

11-04-2017, 07:08 AM

I didnt, i couldnt see it on my planner? Can we see it on iplayer yet?

there you go mate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08ntbf4/bbc-scotland-investigates-2016-7-football-abuse-the-ugly-side-of-the-beautiful-game

blackpoolhibs

11-04-2017, 08:03 AM

Blackpool - did u watch the programme?

Powerful stuff indeed. Would be interested in your comments once you watch it.

Just watched the part about Neely, and i'm astounded that John Blackley knew, which does make you believe Kenny Waugh would know too.

This is a game changer for me and what i now think, although the Souness book does confirm what i thought at the time about him being poached?

I still 100% think he was not sacked by Hibs, which in itself is a scandal on its own?

hibsboy69

11-04-2017, 08:38 AM

Just watched the part about Neely, and i'm astounded that John Blackley knew, which does make you believe Kenny Waugh would know too.

This is a game changer for me and what i now think, although the Souness book does confirm what i thought at the time about him being poached?

I still 100% think he was not sacked by Hibs, which in itself is a scandal on its own?

Yes - it backs up what we all talked about back then (that Neely was sacked by Hibs).

Listen, I knew Neely well and played alongside Jonny Cleland. Had no idea that Jonny was abused. It's so sad and nobody comes out well from this.

Its a shame that some more higher profile victims can't (yet) bring themselves to come forward.

Lots more to come I suspect.

blackpoolhibs

11-04-2017, 08:45 AM

Yes - it backs up what we all talked about back then (that Neely was sacked by Hibs).

Listen, I knew Neely well and played alongside Jonny Cleland. Had no idea that Jonny was abused. It's so sad and nobody comes out well from this.

Its a shame that some more higher profile victims can't (yet) bring themselves to come forward.

Lots more to come I suspect.

That was a shocking programme, and Neely was a predator who should have been outed by the club, who clearly knew he was a paedophile.

What i'm uncomfortable with still, is i dont believe he was sacked, its not how i remember it, and someone else further back also said how he was given stick for LEAVING to join the huns, and also that book by Souness.

Throw in no record of us terminating his contract, and i come to the conclusion something smells really bad about this, and our former chairman and manager do not come out of this very well at all?

cleanyman

11-04-2017, 08:54 AM

Shameful.

BullsCloseHibs

11-04-2017, 10:14 AM

Rangers appear to have covered up the Neely incident by purporting to have contacted the police when they got wind of his actions. After an FOI request, Police Scotland weren't able to establish if he was indeed reported to them by RFC.
You have to ask, why?

HUTCHYHIBBY

11-04-2017, 10:54 AM

hibsboy69

11-04-2017, 11:37 AM

That was a shocking programme, and Neely was a predator who should have been outed by the club, who clearly knew he was a paedophile.

What i'm uncomfortable with still, is i dont believe he was sacked, its not how i remember it, and someone else further back also said how he was given stick for LEAVING to join the huns, and also that book by Souness.

Throw in no record of us terminating his contract, and i come to the conclusion something smells really bad about this, and our former chairman and manager do not come out of this very well at all?

Yes, nobody comes out of it well. All I can comment on is that back then it was widely discussed and accepted that Neely had been sacked by Hibs.

On the back of last night's programme lets hope that more victims (maybe higher profile ones dare I say) feel more safe to come forward..........I would forgive them if they didn't and took it to the grave.

Harry Dunn (allegedly of course :rolleyes:) is the abuser that the BBC could not name last night (he has recently been arrested). That's another massive can of worms........sadly.

hibsboy69

11-04-2017, 11:42 AM

I remember going to Dalguise in the early 80s when Neely was there (Hutchy Vale). I've got vague recollections of midnight "ghost walks" in the castle grounds and the lads being told it would be ok to stay in his room if we were scared, fortunately I didnae bother and cannae remember any talk of dodginess going on, though we were only about 10 or 11 at the time.

Yes, ghost walks "up the hill" where they actually created ghosts that you could see and hear.

I know it sounds crazy but it happened. :dunno:

P.S This of course means that Neely didn't act alone. :fuming:

HUTCHYHIBBY

11-04-2017, 12:00 PM

This of course means that Neely didn't act alone. :fuming:

Thats my main concern, not sure I want to watch last nights programme to be honest.

Conrad Gray

11-04-2017, 12:43 PM

I just watched the programme and it was difficult viewing. I get the impression this was just an introduction and there will be more programmes with other revalations to come. Hopefully these vile predators will be fully exposed and dealt with by the authorities.

CMurdoch

11-04-2017, 02:20 PM

Thats my main concern, not sure I want to watch last nights programme to be honest.

It is a hard watch and you know by the way the Hibs guy and Levi from the highlands speak that it happened. Paedophiles envagled themselves into positions where they could abuse kids and the football coach was an especially nasty one where they took advantage of the desperation young boys to be footballers. I really felt for the two guys above. Their hurt as middle aged men was still very much apparent. A dreadful era when paedophiles were able to easily operate.

lapsedhibee

11-04-2017, 02:44 PM

Well done to the victims for speaking out, but that programme could have been 20 minutes shorter if it wasn't for Mark Daly's need to be on camera so much speaking. In that. Daft staccato. Way. That Raman Bhardwaj also. Does. Which is. Very. Annoying.

MB62

11-04-2017, 02:47 PM

Just watched the iplayer link. That was absolutely horrific and the longer it went on, the more angry I became.
Proud but heartbroken for those that were the victims and have now spoken out.

NAE NOOKIE

11-04-2017, 03:44 PM

It was very brave of the guys who came forward in the programme, they deserve the fullest respect ...... the pieces of **** responsible for their abuse not only ruined their lives as kids, but probably killed off the possibility of more than one successful football career as well.

I still don't have much time for Ray Hepburn either, who the hell covers up knowledge of child abuse in order to protect a friendship, especially when that friend isn't even the abuser? ...... a poor excuse for a journalist and a human being if you ask me. If Hibs were aware of Neely's actions, which clearly appears to be the case if two separate sets of parents complained to the club, then there can be no excuses for their failure to contact the police at the time ..... I've heard some folk say, it was different in those days, well screw that, it was the 1980s not the bloody 1880s.

At best this appears to be a situation that Hibs handled extremely badly, thank **** none of the people involved are around the club now.

MB62

11-04-2017, 07:56 PM