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23-11-2016, 09:53 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38078341

Always good to see a Tory with his priorities in order.

Phil MaGlass
23-11-2016, 10:00 PM
ForTory see Hun. Money grabbin bassas.

greenpaper55
23-11-2016, 10:05 PM
Not as much as Salmond spent on expenses.

CentreLine
23-11-2016, 10:10 PM
All that money and still can't sport what is happening right infront of their collective nose.

Big_Franck
24-11-2016, 08:31 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38078341

Always good to see a Tory with his priorities in order.

The number of football related puns in that article make it almost unreadable. The guy is clearly taking the piss though and should step down as an MSP.

Dublin07
24-11-2016, 08:58 AM
Not as much as Salmond spent on expenses.

What an ex MSP spent on his expenses has nothing to do with this. This is about repeatedly missing important parliamentary work for a third job when he is already paid well as an MSP and councillor. You sound like Ruth Davidson having a bitch at salmond with no relevance to your statement. When did salmond miss parliament for work on another paid job must have missed that.
No matter what your politics are this guy is taking the piss.

SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
24-11-2016, 09:06 AM
What an ex MSP spent on his expenses has nothing to do with this. This is about repeatedly missing important parliamentary work for a third job when he is already paid well as an MSP and councillor. You sound like Ruth Davidson having a bitch at salmond with no relevance to your statement. When did salmond miss parliament for work on another paid job must have missed that.
No matter what your politics are this guy is taking the piss.

I think he may have when he was both an MP amd an MSP

StevieC
24-11-2016, 09:45 AM
I'm no lover of Tory MP's, but I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I don't see it as an issue.

He is probably really enjoys the assistant referee job, and for the most part it's at the weekends during his "free time". I'm sure we've all taken time off work at one point or another to follow the Hibs, it's just a shame we don't get paid for it.

O'Rourke3
24-11-2016, 09:55 AM
I'm no lover of Tory MP's, but I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I don't see it as an issue.

He is probably really enjoys the assistant referee job, and for the most part it's at the weekends during his "free time". I'm sure we've all taken time off work at one point or another to follow the Hibs, it's just a shame we don't get paid for it.

Nah,he chose one form of employment over another - there's plenty holiday time factored into the council and Holyrood calendars. Put another way would you be happy with a teacher doing the same thing mid term or would the view be different if it's not football but a paid speech to a foreign university?

StevieC
24-11-2016, 10:01 AM
Nah,he chose one form of employment over another - there's plenty holiday time factored into the council and Holyrood calendars. Put another way would you be happy with a teacher doing the same thing mid term or would the view be different if it's not football but a paid speech to a foreign university?

But what if that teacher was taking a couple of days off to go and watch Hibs in Europe? I wouldn't have a problem with that. Even with set holidays most jobs have the option for employees to have a set number of days that they are allowed to take off outwith holidays.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Tory MP/MSP's as much as the next Labour/SNP supporter, but if the SNP has taught me one thing it's that Scotland is a fair and outward looking country. And in this case I think it's mischief making without real foundation. A bit like the sort of thing that the SNP has to fight against week in week out.

blackpoolhibs
24-11-2016, 10:07 AM
But what if that teacher was taking a couple of days off to go and watch Hibs in Europe? I wouldn't have a problem with that. Even with set holidays most jobs have the option for employees to have a set number of days that they are allowed to take off outwith holidays.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Tory MP/MSP's as much as the next Labour/SNP supporter, but if the SNP has taught me one thing it's that Scotland is a fair and outward looking country. And in this case I think it's mischief making without real foundation. A bit like the sort of thing that the SNP has to fight against week in week out.

Yip i have to agree, i think the anger is twofold here, he's a football linesman and a politician. Is there any other kind of people we dislike more?

If the story was he'd missed some parliamentary work to follow Hibs to Copenhagen last summer, i think we'd be seeing a different outcome here on this message board. :agree:

One Day Soon
24-11-2016, 10:08 AM
Pretty sure that the new MP for Paisley - Mhairi Black - will be diving into this thread soon to defend his refereeing seeing as she has such disdain for 'career politicians'. Anyone with a broader background will be right up her street.

To be fair she's been a beacon to others seeing as she's had such a diverse career as...... a career politician.

hibee62
24-11-2016, 10:10 AM
What an ex MSP spent on his expenses has nothing to do with this. This is about repeatedly missing important parliamentary work for a third job when he is already paid well as an MSP and councillor. You sound like Ruth Davidson having a bitch at salmond with no relevance to your statement. When did salmond miss parliament for work on another paid job must have missed that.
No matter what your politics are this guy is taking the piss.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34934781

CropleyWasGod
24-11-2016, 10:21 AM
The question was when did salmond miss parliament work for another paid job, not necessarily refereeing. Probably not a paid job unless you count massaging his ego. Not a debate for here though, just answering the question above.

Yeah, sorry, I misunderstood your post. I have deleted mine :wink:

hibee62
24-11-2016, 10:40 AM
Yeah, sorry, I misunderstood your post. I have deleted mine :wink:

Ah yes, no worries.

brog
24-11-2016, 11:07 AM
Nah,he chose one form of employment over another - there's plenty holiday time factored into the council and Holyrood calendars. Put another way would you be happy with a teacher doing the same thing mid term or would the view be different if it's not football but a paid speech to a foreign university?

Ironically, he was running the line for Willie Collum who is/was a teacher!!

GloryGlory
24-11-2016, 11:12 AM
Pretty sure that the new MP for Paisley - Mhairi Black - will be diving into this thread soon to defend his refereeing seeing as she has such disdain for 'career politicians'. Anyone with a broader background will be right up her street.

To be fair she's been a beacon to others seeing as she's had such a diverse career as...... a career politician.

Awwwww - did she steal your chips? :greengrin

lyonhibs
24-11-2016, 11:38 AM
Pretty sure that the new MP for Paisley - Mhairi Black - will be diving into this thread soon to defend his refereeing seeing as she has such disdain for 'career politicians'. Anyone with a broader background will be right up her street.

To be fair she's been a beacon to others seeing as she's had such a diverse career as...... a career politician.

and serial tweeter of a variety of dubious exhortations against Celtic fans. Talks a good game though, much like the crème de la crème of.......... career politicans

allmodcons
24-11-2016, 12:20 PM
Pretty sure that the new MP for Paisley - Mhairi Black - will be diving into this thread soon to defend his refereeing seeing as she has such disdain for 'career politicians'. Anyone with a broader background will be right up her street.

To be fair she's been a beacon to others seeing as she's had such a diverse career as...... a career politician.

Classic deflection ODS.

O'Rourke3
24-11-2016, 12:43 PM
But what if that teacher was taking a couple of days off to go and watch Hibs in Europe? I wouldn't have a problem with that. Even with set holidays most jobs have the option for employees to have a set number of days that they are allowed to take off outwith holidays.


If he/she was one of my children's I'd not be that happy. A profession like teaching comes with conditions of service which you know about well in advance. Those days they can take off are for things like family crisis where absence is unavoidable. Same thing with public service. Regardless of the party they represent they should not have a choice to decide there's a better paid gig that looks good on the CV and might be great fun. The most obvious MSP I can think of was Hibby Lloyd Quinnan. I'd be just as upset if it was he who took the alternative path.

overdrive
24-11-2016, 01:34 PM
But what if that teacher was taking a couple of days off to go and watch Hibs in Europe? I wouldn't have a problem with that. Even with set holidays most jobs have the option for employees to have a set number of days that they are allowed to take off outwith holidays.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Tory MP/MSP's as much as the next Labour/SNP supporter, but if the SNP has taught me one thing it's that Scotland is a fair and outward looking country. And in this case I think it's mischief making without real foundation. A bit like the sort of thing that the SNP has to fight against week in week out.

Presumably the teacher scenario did actually occur here as well. Gollum was the referee in this game. The same Gollum who is a teacher in Wishaw.

I'd also be interested how Gollum gets the time off for refereeing commitments. My wife is a teacher and it was a huge headache for her getting time off for a wedding or household emergency never mind something like this.

StevieC
24-11-2016, 01:38 PM
I'd be just as upset if it was he who took the alternative path.

I'm more upset about you sounding genuinely upset, than some MSP that's skipped work to run the line at a Champions League game.
I hate to see fellow Hibbys distressed, but hopefully you anger will subside soon and you'll be able to go back to having a good day. :aok:

O'Rourke3
24-11-2016, 02:33 PM
I'm more upset about you sounding genuinely upset, than some MSP that's skipped work to run the line at a Champions League game.
I hate to see fellow Hibbys distressed, but hopefully you anger will subside soon and you'll be able to go back to having a good day. :aok:

:faf: It's maybe an age thing, but I consider showing up for your work when you are fit to do so is something everyone would support. As for anger - none really - never surprised at the lack of double standards from politicians. The excuse - ah but what if it was a Hibby? shouldn't come into it.

southsider
24-11-2016, 02:37 PM
:faf: It's maybe an age thing, but I consider showing up for your work when you are fit to do so is something everyone would support. As for anger - none really - never surprised at the lack of double standards from politicians. The excuse - ah but what if it was a Hibby? shouldn't come into it.
Would have thought he would have asked his boss for time off. Imagine his boss watching the highlights on TV when he spots the dude running the line off on the panel.

One Day Soon
24-11-2016, 02:38 PM
Classic deflection ODS.


It's a directly relevant reference.

Have you been away, was just thinking I hadn't seen you post recently?

One Day Soon
24-11-2016, 02:40 PM
Awwwww - did she steal your chips? :greengrin


Pretty sure the Westminster salary and expenses means she can afford a lot better than chips...

CockneyRebel
24-11-2016, 03:13 PM
But what if that teacher was taking a couple of days off to go and watch Hibs in Europe? I wouldn't have a problem with that. Even with set holidays most jobs have the option for employees to have a set number of days that they are allowed to take off outwith holidays.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Tory MP/MSP's as much as the next Labour/SNP supporter, but if the SNP has taught me one thing it's that Scotland is a fair and outward looking country. And in this case I think it's mischief making without real foundation. A bit like the sort of thing that the SNP has to fight against week in week out.


And how exactly do they fight against it? By mischief making without real foundation, like all parties - pot/kettle, stones/glass houses.

Bishop Hibee
24-11-2016, 04:18 PM
Presumably the teacher scenario did actually occur here as well. Gollum was the referee in this game. The same Gollum who is a teacher in Wishaw.

I'd also be interested how Gollum gets the time off for refereeing commitments. My wife is a teacher and it was a huge headache for her getting time off for a wedding or household emergency never mind something like this.

This. Surely he'd have to take unpaid leave? Very difficult to get time off during term time for any teaching staff.

brog
24-11-2016, 05:08 PM
Presumably the teacher scenario did actually occur here as well. Gollum was the referee in this game. The same Gollum who is a teacher in Wishaw.

I'd also be interested how Gollum gets the time off for refereeing commitments. My wife is a teacher and it was a huge headache for her getting time off for a wedding or household emergency never mind something like this.

Exactly right. My wife taught for many years & the thought of her getting time off or even non paid leave for non emergencies was a complete non starter. I posted on another thread recently re Collum. He gave up his head teacher role some years back because of his refereeing duties but as you say, I think he continues as a teacher though references to him teaching have dried up in the last couple of years. I really don't see how he can combine both jobs. Beaton gave up his p/t job earlier this year to concentrate on refereeing, that's going well!!

beensaidbefore
24-11-2016, 05:22 PM
Noone has mentioned which commitment was in his diary first? If most and councillors are allowed to have a 2nd or 3rd job then we can reasonably accept that on occasion there may be a clash. If he has been booked to do the match before the vote date was arranged what was he to do?

beensaidbefore
24-11-2016, 05:22 PM
Msps

High-On-Hibs
24-11-2016, 05:52 PM
Since when was being an MP considered a real job? :confused:

H18 SFR
24-11-2016, 08:45 PM
Presumably the teacher scenario did actually occur here as well. Gollum was the referee in this game. The same Gollum who is a teacher in Wishaw.

I'd also be interested how Gollum gets the time off for refereeing commitments. My wife is a teacher and it was a huge headache for her getting time off for a wedding or household emergency never mind something like this.

The SFA and UEFA have what is described as a 'Contract of Agreement' with FIFA referees. It is essentially an agreement negotiated by the SFA commercial department and the Referee's employer for the referee to get additional time off. It was introduced to stop the burden falling on the individual referee to negotiate time off.

allezsauzee
24-11-2016, 09:20 PM
A MP and an assistant ref, this boy must be a total cretin.

overdrive
24-11-2016, 10:14 PM
The SFA and UEFA have what is described as a 'Contract of Agreement' with FIFA referees. It is essentially an agreement negotiated by the SFA commercial department and the Referee's employer for the referee to get additional time off. It was introduced to stop the burden falling on the individual referee to negotiate time off.

That's all well and good but hardly fair to other staff at their employer

brog
24-11-2016, 10:42 PM
The SFA and UEFA have what is described as a 'Contract of Agreement' with FIFA referees. It is essentially an agreement negotiated by the SFA commercial department and the Referee's employer for the referee to get additional time off. It was introduced to stop the burden falling on the individual referee to negotiate time off.
I'm sure you're right but not sure how that works with proscribed occupations such as teaching. I know from personal experience that there's a diminishing pool of teachers available to cover absences. I suspect people like Willie Collum dont have regular teaching duties.

Galahibby
25-11-2016, 07:43 AM
I'm no lover of Tory MP's, but I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I don't see it as an issue.

He is probably really enjoys the assistant referee job, and for the most part it's at the weekends during his "free time". I'm sure we've all taken time off work at one point or another to follow the Hibs, it's just a shame we don't get paid for it.

This is pretty much what I was thinking. Also wondered if there would have been such an outcry if the second job was as a retained fireman or military reservist, etc?

One Day Soon
25-11-2016, 09:42 AM
A MP and an assistant ref, this boy must be a total cretin.


This is the best post on this thread so far.

StevieC
25-11-2016, 11:33 AM
Pretty sure the Westminster salary and expenses means she can afford a lot better than chips...

Probably .. and yet chips were her dish of choice on her first visit to the Westminster cafeteria .. and she also chose to sit with the everyday staff rather than in the MP's area.