This Dis-united World

[snooky]

Half of Scotland want Independance and half of Scotland doesn't.
Half of the UK want Brexit and half of the UK doesn't.
Half of the USA want Trump and half of the USA doesn't.
Half of the USA want Clinton and half of the USA doesn't.

The only exception is nobody in the real world wants Trump or Clinton. :cb

[danhibees1875]

Is this anything new? Have we ever had a united world?

[Future17]

Is there not some quote about democracy being seen to work when half of the people are unhappy?

The fact that the UK and USA aren't both embroiled in civil wars may suggest something is working...

[High-On-Hibs]

The world will never be truly united. The right will always argue that a unified world is an act of Communism (despite being quite happy to have their own little unions when it serves their own political ends)

[snooky]

Is there not some quote about democracy being seen to work when half of the people are unhappy?

The fact that the UK and USA aren't both embroiled in civil wars may suggest something is working...

Let's just savour the wave of love all over the USA after today's result. :cool2:

[High-On-Hibs]

The fact that the UK and USA aren't both embroiled in civil wars may suggest something is working...

The fluoride in the water supplies, the pesticides in our fruit and veg, the preservatives in our junk food, the huge dip in educational standards..... it's certainly having the intended effect. People are too stupid and docile to stand up to a system that actively works against them. That's how it "works".

[RyeSloan]

The fluoride in the water supplies, the pesticides in our fruit and veg, the preservatives in our junk food, the huge dip in educational standards..... it's certainly having the intended effect. People are too stupid and docile to stand up to a system that actively works against them. That's how it "works".

Brilliant...we are all being poisoned and made dumb by the secret powers running the world!

If only it was that simple....

[High-On-Hibs]

Brilliant...we are all being poisoned and made dumb by the secret powers running the world!

If only it was that simple....

Nothing secretive about it. Society starts making us sick from birth. The lazy generation hasn't occured by accident, it was pre conceived. We live and die without ever really questioning what could have been. It suits the ruling classes perfectly.

[Colr]

Half of Scotland want Independance and half of Scotland doesn't.
Half of the UK want Brexit and half of the UK doesn't.
Half of the USA want Trump and half of the USA doesn't.
Half of the USA want Clinton and half of the USA doesn't.

The only exception is nobody in the real world wants Trump or Clinton. :cb

Can't be. David Davis says the Brexit vote was a clear and decisive mandate!!

[Holmesdale Hibs]

I read this article the other day which raises some interesting points

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

The voting patterns are quite similar to Brexit and the last UK election (and Indy?) with people in the city and country voting for different things.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Nothing secretive about it. Society starts making us sick from birth. The lazy generation hasn't occured by accident, it was pre conceived. We live and die without ever really questioning what could have been. It suits the ruling classes perfectly.

And yet we arr all living much longer, healthier lives.

Think the overlords need to re-think their strategy.

Ive missed your particular brand of tin-foil hatism.

[beensaidbefore]

And yet we arr all living much longer, healthier lives.

Think the overlords need to re-think their strategy.

Ive missed your particular brand of tin-foil hatism.


We may be living longer, but I'm not sure healthier. How many people are dependant on medicine for one thing or another? I think that has a lot to do with. An aging population. I know of some people who are taking upwards of 30 pills a day to treat by heir various ailments and keep them healthy. Obesity, diabetes, hbp etc are more and more common and those are not indicators of good health, but can be managed.

[beensaidbefore]

And it's costing us a bloody fortune too! A £1 charge for all prescriptions would see people only take what they really need rather than just prescribing more and more and would put some money back into the system.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

We may be living longer, but I'm not sure healthier. How many people are dependant on medicine for one thing or another? I think that has a lot to do with. An aging population. I know of some people who are taking upwards of 30 pills a day to treat by heir various ailments and keep them healthy. Obesity, diabetes, hbp etc are more and more common and those are not indicators of good health, but can be managed.

Im not sure where to begin with this - yeah people take mesicines, to treat things that were previously untreatable for the most part.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

And it's costing us a bloody fortune too! A £1 charge for all prescriptions would see people only take what they really need rather than just prescribing more and more and would put some money back into the system.

Agree its expensive, so expensive that a pound per prescription would barely scratch the surface.

[High-On-Hibs]

And yet we arr all living much longer, healthier lives.

Think the overlords need to re-think their strategy.

Ive missed your particular brand of tin-foil hatism.

We're living longer, but we're not living. We're born, go to school, work, marry, get fat, then we die. Once we're dead, that's it. We don't get another chance to go back and know what it really feels like to live. That's not "tin-foil hatism", that's a fact.

[#FromTheCapital]

We're living longer, but we're not living. We're born, go to school, work, marry, get fat, then we die. Once we're dead, that's it. We don't get another chance to go back and know what it really feels like to live. That's not "tin-foil hatism", that's a fact.

Serious question, are you ok?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Serious question, are you ok?

I'm really looking forward to his reply! ;-)

[RyeSloan]

We're living longer, but we're not living. We're born, go to school, work, marry, get fat, then we die. Once we're dead, that's it. We don't get another chance to go back and know what it really feels like to live. That's not "tin-foil hatism", that's a fact.

Sooo what would you describe as living?

Not going to school, not working, not having relationships and staying thin?

[CropleyWasGod]

We're living longer, but we're not living. We're born, go to school, work, marry, get fat, then we die. Once we're dead, that's it. We don't get another chance to go back and know what it really feels like to live. That's not "tin-foil hatism", that's a fact.
I feel for you.

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[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

We're living longer, but we're not living. We're born, go to school, work, marry, get fat, then we die. Once we're dead, that's it. We don't get another chance to go back and know what it really feels like to live. That's not "tin-foil hatism", that's a fact.

Its an opinion, that is not the same as a fact.

Well instead of spouting nihilism on a fitba message board, get out and live man!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

We're living longer, but we're not living. We're born, go to school, work, marry, get fat, then we die. Once we're dead, that's it. We don't get another chance to go back and know what it really feels like to live. That's not "tin-foil hatism", that's a fact.

Surely other things in your life have/will occur to pad things out a bit? If not you might as well chuck it in now. ;-)

[High-On-Hibs]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die. Your life is ultimately dictated by others from start to finish. You can't do whatever you want, even although it's your own life. You can only do what you're told you're allowed to do within that system.

As a result, everybody dies with regret in the end. Because you die never having set foot out of the system that has shadowed you your entire life. You'll die never knowing what could have been done with the limited time you had.

Call it a crazy conspiracy, it doesn't really matter. Because you'll never prove it wrong.

[CropleyWasGod]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die. Your life is ultimately dictated by others from start to finish. You can't do whatever you want, even although it's your own life. You can only do what you're told you're allowed to do within that system.

As a result, everybody dies with regret in the end. Because you die never having set foot out of the system that has shadowed you your entire life. You'll die never knowing what could have been done with the limited time you had.

Call it a crazy conspiracy, it doesn't really matter. Because you'll never prove it wrong.
Everybody dies with regret?

What's your scientific evidence for that?

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die. Your life is ultimately dictated by others from start to finish. You can't do whatever you want, even although it's your own life. You can only do what you're told you're allowed to do within that system.

As a result, everybody dies with regret in the end. Because you die never having set foot out of the system that has shadowed you your entire life. You'll die never knowing what could have been done with the limited time you had.

Call it a crazy conspiracy, it doesn't really matter. Because you'll never prove it wrong.

So, anyone that disagrees with your viewpoint is wrong? Aye, alright then.

[grunt]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die. Your life is ultimately dictated by others from start to finish. You can't do whatever you want, even although it's your own life. You can only do what you're told you're allowed to do within that system.

As a result, everybody dies with regret in the end. Because you die never having set foot out of the system that has shadowed you your entire life. You'll die never knowing what could have been done with the limited time you had.

Call it a crazy conspiracy, it doesn't really matter. Because you'll never prove it wrong.noun
noun: conspiracy;


a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful


If it's a conspiracy, who's the group doing it to us?

[Moulin Yarns]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die. Your life is ultimately dictated by others from start to finish. You can't do whatever you want, even although it's your own life. You can only do what you're told you're allowed to do within that system.

As a result, everybody dies with regret in the end. Because you die never having set foot out of the system that has shadowed you your entire life. You'll die never knowing what could have been done with the limited time you had.

Call it a crazy conspiracy, it doesn't really matter. Because you'll never prove it wrong.

I will counter with the fact I have a dream job, looking forward to early retirement, enjoy productive hobbies and by and large never felt that I was part of a 'system'

[CropleyWasGod]

I will counter with the fact I have a dream job, looking forward to early retirement, enjoy productive hobbies and by and large never felt that I was part of a 'system'
Edith Piaf????

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[Moulin Yarns]

Edith Piaf????

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Most definitely. Had a chuckle at that.

[Hibrandenburg]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die. Your life is ultimately dictated by others from start to finish. You can't do whatever you want, even although it's your own life. You can only do what you're told you're allowed to do within that system.

As a result, everybody dies with regret in the end. Because you die never having set foot out of the system that has shadowed you your entire life. You'll die never knowing what could have been done with the limited time you had.

Call it a crazy conspiracy, it doesn't really matter. Because you'll never prove it wrong.

You mean the system that provides the majority of those within it with safety and protects the majority from the violent criminal minority?

The system that helps you put food on your table even when crops fail?

The system supports scientific advances to ensure your life expectancy is double that what it was only 5 generations ago?

The system that provides care and assistance to those with disability?

The system that allows you almost world wide travel should you desire it?

The system that will provide a safety net if you become old and vulnerable?

The system that offers you endless possibilities to enjoy your free time?

That system? Doesn't sound so bad to me compared to other systems that have come and gone.

[PeeJay]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die.

Back in 1989, many "East Germans" marched peacefully on the streets to tear down a wall and bring about a peaceful change to the the "system they were born into"; I doubt that many of them will die with the "regret" you refer to. Change can and does happen: look at the rest of Eastern Europe, look at China - your pessimistic vision of the world doesn't seem to stand up to close scrutiny ...

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die. Your life is ultimately dictated by others from start to finish. You can't do whatever you want, even although it's your own life. You can only do what you're told you're allowed to do within that system.

As a result, everybody dies with regret in the end. Because you die never having set foot out of the system that has shadowed you your entire life. You'll die never knowing what could have been done with the limited time you had.

Call it a crazy conspiracy, it doesn't really matter. Because you'll never prove it wrong.


Ok, so you are now some alt-right libertarian?

I agree to an extent, of course we cant just do what we want, such is the nature of society. It was ever thus.

But i would suggest you overstate how helpless we all are. You are describing an ant colony or maybe some of the more authoritarian regimes that have appeared at various points. It is not reflective of 21st century UK IMO.

[Scouse Hibee]

Clearly my point isn't being well understood or hasn't been properly thought through by anybody who has read it.

You're born into a system and are stuck in that system until you die. Your life is ultimately dictated by others from start to finish. You can't do whatever you want, even although it's your own life. You can only do what you're told you're allowed to do within that system.

As a result, everybody dies with regret in the end. Because you die never having set foot out of the system that has shadowed you your entire life. You'll die never knowing what could have been done with the limited time you had.

Call it a crazy conspiracy, it doesn't really matter. Because you'll never prove it wrong.

Feel sorry for you if you are describing your own life, you certainly are not describing mine.

[RyeSloan]

Feel sorry for you if you are describing your own life, you certainly are not describing mine.

Ahh but he is! You see you have been poisoned from birth and don't realise you are actually an ant!

[snooky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXQYuLUAbyw

No matter whether you are a YES or a NO voter, watch this video. Forget about who won or lost the referendum.
It highlights the methods that a *government and/or affiliated media can mould the news to suit its own agenda.

*This means ANY government, whether it be UK/Scottish/USA or other.

[Betty Boop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXQYuLUAbyw

No matter whether you are a YES or a NO voter, watch this video. Forget about who won or lost the referendum.
It highlights the methods that a *government and/or affiliated media can mould the news to suit its own agenda.

*This means ANY government, whether it be UK/Scottish/USA or other.


Have you just woke up ? The BBC and Government has been doing this for years.

[snooky]

Have you just woke up ? The BBC and Government has been doing this for years.

No, I've been awake for years, but thanks very much for asking. :cool2:

Just trying to arouse those who remain in dreamland.

[Slavers]

No, I've been awake for years, but thanks very much for asking. :cool2: Just trying to arouse those who remain in dreamland. It's a great point to shine some light on as im sure there are many people who believe all the BBC and MSM broadcast. Do people only see it when it reflects on their given cause? I think the same tactics are at play with the constant anti-Russia propaganda in the media with the Russians being blamed for everything and anything. The coverage of Aleppo recently is twisted to suit the western political agenda whilst barley commenting on UK made bombs being dropped in Yemen. A very corrupt situation.

[beensaidbefore]

Read 1984 to open your mind to what is possible.