Atmosphere

[Mr White]

I don't think it's that simple. Removing people from the back row just means that they'll be looking at the back of people's heads in the second back row, and so on. I think you'd have to ban standing in the the top ten rows at least, but then you have a restricted view for the people having to sit behind those standing up.


I think allowing standing in the FF lower will make the Executive Boxes useless.
Is the view from the boxes currently blocked if people in the back 10 rows stand up? I wouldn't think people sat in the boxes have ever had a good view of a hibs penalty if that's the case. They're a bit higher up than head height I think.

[jacomo]

I don't think it's that simple. Removing people from the back row just means that they'll be looking at the back of people's heads in the second back row, and so on. I think you'd have to ban standing in the the top ten rows at least, but then you have a restricted view for the people having to sit behind those standing up.


I think allowing standing in the FF lower will make the Executive Boxes useless.

How much taller is someone standing up instead of sitting down? 10 rows??

[Pete]

I've not read the whole thread but what about the people who have fantastic seats in the FF lower? Are they just supposed to up sticks with their kids because a bunch of other people think that they would somehow make better use of those seats?

Why don't people try and get the top of the East to be some sort of section again? The atmosphere was great a few years ago, even though the football wasn't.

Good luck with any campaign but I'm sure you'll be met with fierce resistance.

[Since90+2]

I don't think it's that simple. Removing people from the back row just means that they'll be looking at the back of people's heads in the second back row, and so on. I think you'd have to ban standing in the the top ten rows at least, but then you have a restricted view for the people having to sit behind those standing up.


I think allowing standing in the FF lower will make the Executive Boxes useless.

You wouldn't have to remove anything like the top 10 rows. You would have to be pretty tall to block the view of the pitch from the executive boxes from 9 rows down.

[CapitalGreen]

Every team rhat has tried reduced prices in scotland has not seen the uplift in crowds to make up the lost revenue.

Hibs didnt reduce prices this season. In fact they purposely made a decision to keep prices high (for this level) to habe a stronger team. They have been rewarded with huge crowds so far this season.

So you don't have any evidence then?

[Keith_M]

You wouldn't have to remove anything like the top 10 rows. You would have to be pretty tall to block the view of the pitch from the executive boxes from 9 rows down.


If the people in the Executive Boxes were level with the pitch then, yes, they wouldn't be obstructed. But they're not, they're about 30 feet up.

To see the nearest part of the pitch (the goal line) they have to look down in that direction. Anybody situated between them and the goal line is, therefore, a potential obstruction. Because of the gradient, the potential to be an obstruction increases or decreases by the distance of the object being viewed. The far goal line would be unobstructed, the near goal line totally obstructed.


I could draw you a diagram if you like :wink:

[hibs0666]

So you don't have any evidence then?

There's loads.

[Since90+2]

If the people in the Executive Boxes were level with the pitch then, yes, they wouldn't be obstructed. But they're not, they're about 30 feet up.

To see the nearest part of the pitch (the goal line) they have to look down in that direction. Anybody situated between them and the goal line is, therefore, a potential obstruction. Because of the gradient, the potential to be an obstruction increases or decreases by the distance of the object being viewed. The far goal line would be unobstructed, the near goal line totally obstructed.


I could draw you a diagram if you like :wink:

Aye, very good.

Just admit you were wrong and stop digging.

[Since90+2]

How much taller is someone standing up instead of sitting down? 10 rows??

Alot taller according to some on this thread :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Could I just point out that, although I think there's too many reasons why the Singing Section won't be relocated to the FF Lower, I actually would love to have a standing terrace at ER.

I was one of the few that wanted Hibs to build a two tier East Stand (although, TBF, it was probably too costly) because it would have the potential for the lower tier to be converted to terracing when the rules changed (i.e. now that Celtc have done it). Something a bit like the new stand at St Pauli

[Keith_M]

Aye, very good.

Just admit you were wrong and stop digging.


Sorry Bud, I know what I'm talking about. I'm willing to accept that you can't, or won't, understand it and I'll leave it at that.

[Since90+2]

Sorry Bud, I know what I'm talking about. I'm willing to accept that you can't, or won't, understand it and I'll leave it at that.

I think anyone reading this thread can figure out who knows what their talking about and who doesn't. :aok:

[RIP]

I've not read the whole thread but what about the people who have fantastic seats in the FF lower? Are they just supposed to up sticks with their kids because a bunch of other people think that they would somehow make better use of those seats?

Why don't people try and get the top of the East to be some sort of section again? The atmosphere was great a few years ago, even though the football wasn't.

Good luck with any campaign but I'm sure you'll be met with fierce resistance.

Nail on head Pete

Instead of doing the simpler task of reviving Section 43 which management WOULD support, the thread has been hijacked yet again by the 'FF Standing Section' pipedream brigade.

Why is it that not a single one of the proponents of the proposal has volunteered to meet with management to discuss their idea?

As usual it's been left to one of the small group of younger lads to arrange a meeting. At messageboard lobbyists request, a motion was put on the agenda at LWT 3 years ago. An open invite went out for supporters of the idea to come talk to board and management.

Not a single soul turned up.

[CapitalGreen]

There's loads.

Yet nobody can present any

[K.Marx]

Nail on head Pete

Instead of doing the simpler task of reviving Section 43 which management WOULD support, the thread has been hijacked yet again by the 'FF Standing Section' pipedream brigade.

Why is it that not a single one of the proponents of the proposal has volunteered to meet with management to discuss their idea?

As usual it's been left to one of the small group of younger lads to arrange a meeting. At messageboard lobbyists request, a motion was put on the agenda at LWT 3 years ago. An open invite went out for supporters of the idea to come talk to board and management.

Not a single soul turned up.

I've got no involvement with the current signing section but would be more than happy to help put the case forward.

Anybody have any email addresses of contacts within the club? Leanne the best person to raise this with?

[Keith_M]

How about Hibs do a trial of a 'behind the goals' Singing Section for a few games, in the South Stand Lower.

For current ST holders, it could be done on the basis of a temporary switch of location, with their current seat reserved for them if it doesn't work out.


That way we would get an indicator as to whether there's genuinely enough people interested in moving

[RIP]

I've got no involvement with the current signing section but would be more than happy to help put the case forward.

Anybody have any email addresses of contacts within the club? Leanne the best person to raise this with?

If you are a member of the Hibs Supporters Association you could raise a motion through your branch. If the HSA support the proposal it will carry a lot more weight. If not you should contact Frank Dougan and raise the proposal with the Working Together group who meet every 2 months IIRC.

[Dashing Bob S]

How about Hibs do a trial of a 'behind the goals' Singing Section for a few games, in the South Stand Lower.

For current ST holders, it could be done on the basis of a temporary switch of location, with their current seat reserved for them if it doesn't work out.


That way we would get an indicator as to whether there's genuinely enough people interested in moving

Not a bad idea.

[Scott Allan Key]

How about Hibs do a trial of a 'behind the goals' Singing Section for a few games, in the South Stand Lower.

For current ST holders, it could be done on the basis of a temporary switch of location, with their current seat reserved for them if it doesn't work out.


That way we would get an indicator as to whether there's genuinely enough people interested in moving

Yes, I'd like to see this too, and this gives a possibility to see positive effects before commitment, like a good marriage.

Of course, safe standing will also increase our capacity for a domestic sell-out. Anyone have any idea by how much.

[Mr White]

Yes, I'd like to see this too, and this gives a possibility to see positive effects before commitment, like a good marriage.

Of course, safe standing will also increase our capacity for a domestic sell-out. Anyone have any idea by how much.
Converting all of the lower tier of either the south or ff stands would increase capacity by approximately 1800 I think.

[WhileTheChief..]

FF is roughly 3800, bottom tier can't be more than 2000 so no chance putting in safe standing would increase it by 1800.

Does standing take up much less room than sitting when there would be a rail thing for every space?

I think any increase in capacity would be negligible.

[Mr White]

FF is roughly 3800, bottom tier can't be more than 2000 so no chance putting in safe standing would increase it by 1800.

Does standing take up much less room than sitting when there would be a rail thing for every space?

I think any increase in capacity would be negligible.

That was based on rail seating allowing 2 standing spaces for every seat. I read that recently although I can't verify whether it's true or not tbf :greengrin

[Frogga]

Great atmosphere today, well done to the lads behind the goal who kept singing all game!


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[Jonnyboy]

Great atmosphere today, well done to the lads behind the goal who kept singing all game!


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Agreed. Maybe they could all congregate at the front of the East for home games :greengrin

[Since1875Hibs]

That do you Lennon?

[The_Horde]

Mare atmosphere on the moon son.

[RIP]

The club have responded to our request for a meeting to discuss and something will be set up shortly.

Our focus will be a permanent move from the front of the East to the FF Lower by next season, with the club actively promoting this section and encouraging the support to back the team vocally and finally exploring costs around rail seating with and fundraising activity to achieve this.

We see no point in making any temporary moves to the back of the East/middle of the East when the only solution is the FF Lower.

We of course need to consult and discuss those views with the current set of supporters who are based there - some of which have been based there since the stand was built.

Good luck with your meeting. Will it only have representation from the front rows of Section43 or will other fans be invited to attend?

What Neil Lennon is asking for is more atmosphere THIS SEASON to help us win promotion. If the fans can inspire the team to get promoted then you guys have all the time in the world to look at next season and beyond.

I think the wider support need to get involved and that this should be led by the Hibs Supporters Association and Working Together. We need everyone to do their bit.

[Phil MaGlass]

FF is roughly 3800, bottom tier can't be more than 2000 so no chance putting in safe standing would increase it by 1800.

Does standing take up much less room than sitting when there would be a rail thing for every space?

I think any increase in capacity would be negligible.

Dont see the reason to take out any seats in order to have standing, I have been to my local football team for the past 9 years, roughly 8-10,000 standing with seats still in place, great atmosphere, no need to take seats out IMO