Home attendances

[hibee43]

Can anyone tell me which website shows the home and away attendances at matches ?

[NAE NOOKIE]

The Hibs fixtures link on the official site only gives attendances for home games and even then not for all of them, which is a bit of a bind if you want to work out our average.

[son of haggart]

If you just want this year's then you can find them on the bbc site

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian/results

Just go to the report of each game and (bizarrely) click on the 'line ups' tab and you will find the attendance under the team list.

For some reason Hibs home attendances appear at about 6pm each week there, whereas almost all the other teams' appear in the second half

You can probably find previous years' the same way. There are other sites that give average home attendances

Yours, statistically sad,

SOH

[Lancs Harp]

If you just want this year's then you can find them on the bbc site

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian/results

Just go to the report of each game and (bizarrely) click on the 'line ups' tab and you will find the attendance under the team list.

For some reason Hibs home attendances appear at about 6pm each week there, whereas almost all the other teams' appear in the second half

You can probably find previous years' the same way. There are other sites that give average home attendances

Yours, statistically sad,

SOH


Probably because Hibs count actual attendees and the vast majority of other Clubs count ticket solds whether they turn up or not. Hence its alot quicker for them to confirm their attendances.

[son of haggart]

Probably because Hibs count actual attendees and the vast majority of other Clubs count ticket solds whether they turn up or not. Hence its alot quicker for them to confirm their attendances.

Hearts don't and ours are announced about 20-30 minutes into the second half

[FitbaFolkKen]

Formatting not great but here you go http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/avesco.htm

Average home attendace is interesting with us at 15383 and Aberdeen at 13807.... crazy

No. Club Average Games vs '16 Highest
1 Celtic FC 56.546 3 26,1% 58.348
2 Rangers FC 48.864 4 7,8% 49.680
3 Heart of Midlothian FC 16.231 4 -1,2% 16.777
4 Aberdeen FC 13.807 4 5,4% 19.263
5 Dundee FC 7.050 5 15,1% 9.702
6 Kilmarnock FC 6.217 4 55,7% 11.800
7 St. Johnstone FC 6.002 3 54,7% 6.823
8 Motherwell FC 4.249 4 -13,5% 4.666
9 Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC 3.970 4 5,7% 6.061
10 Partick Thistle FC 3.494 4 -8,1% 4.919
11 Ross County FC 3.313 4 -17,9% 3.669
12 Hamilton Academical FC 1.788 4 -40,9% 2.228
. Total 13.417 39,0% 58.348
Ladbrokes Championship

No. Club Average Games vs '16 Highest
1 Hibernian FC Edinburgh 15.383 4 64,7% 16.477
2 Dundee United FC 6.687 4 -16,1% 7.434
3 Falkirk FC 5.151 4 10,3% 6.458
4 Dunfermline Athletic FC 3.941 4 12,7% 5.563
5 St. Mirren FC 3.738 4 5,3% 4.997
6 Raith Rovers FC 2.803 4 21,0% 5.114
7 Queen of the South FC 2.348 4 11,0% 3.703
8 Ayr United FC 2.010 4 55,0% 2.883
9 Greenock Morton FC 1.737 4 -36,4% 2.079
10 Dumbarton FC 1.189 4 14,2% 1.475
. Total 4.499 -39,2% 16.477

[Lancs Harp]

Pretty sure that will be the reason mate, not that it really matters.

[son of haggart]

Pretty sure that will be the reason mate, not that it really matters.

It's not a big deal, but it is a bit of a myth on here that we do


To evidence what I am saying we had an official attendance of 16,512 against Dundee last Saturday. We have had attendances around 17,200 when we used to give the opposition all the Roseburn.

There are approx 350 seats unavailable due to segregation etc

We effectively sold out the Dundee game about 6pm on the Saturday ( there were no tickets available online) but some more were returned by Season tickets for resale (about 300 I would estimate). These were all gone about 11am on the Saturday and you couldn't buy a ticket after that. Even if you don't take into account the season tickets returned for resale, if it was tickets sold the attendance should have been around 16,900, with those resold it should have been around 17200. In fact there were about 300seats empty (season tickets not used) around the ground and the segregation gap(350).

This explains why it was 16,500

Sorry about the long and boring explanation but it is an often repeated myth that we declare tickets sold not actual attendances

[pollution]

Probably because Hibs count actual attendees and the vast majority of other Clubs count ticket solds whether they turn up or not. Hence its alot quicker for them to confirm their attendances. The attendance figure is pinned to the boardroom wall about fifteen minutes after the end of the game.
It is sorted by away and home support. Hibs publish an attendance, some other publish tickets sold.

The

[Lancs Harp]

It's not a big deal, but it is a bit of a myth on here that we do


To evidence what I am saying we had an official attendance of 16,512 against Dundee last Saturday. We have had attendances around 17,200 when we used to give the opposition all the Roseburn.

There are approx 350 seats unavailable due to segregation etc

We effectively sold out the Dundee game about 6pm on the Saturday ( there were no tickets available online) but some more were returned by Season tickets for resale (about 300 I would estimate). These were all gone about 11am on the Saturday and you couldn't buy a ticket after that. Even if you don't take into account the season tickets returned for resale, if it was tickets sold the attendance should have been around 16,900, with those resold it should have been around 17200. In fact there were about 300seats empty (season tickets not used) around the ground and the segregation gap(350).

This explains why it was 16,500

Sorry about the long and boring explanation but it is an often repeated myth that we declare tickets sold not actual attendances


Im confused ..... I might be being a bit thick but I think I said we declare attendees and not ticket solds

[green day]

It's not a big deal, but it is a bit of a myth on here that we do


To evidence what I am saying we had an official attendance of 16,512 against Dundee last Saturday. We have had attendances around 17,200 when we used to give the opposition all the Roseburn.

There are approx 350 seats unavailable due to segregation etc

We effectively sold out the Dundee game about 6pm on the Saturday ( there were no tickets available online) but some more were returned by Season tickets for resale (about 300 I would estimate). These were all gone about 11am on the Saturday and you couldn't buy a ticket after that. Even if you don't take into account the season tickets returned for resale, if it was tickets sold the attendance should have been around 16,900, with those resold it should have been around 17200. In fact there were about 300seats empty (season tickets not used) around the ground and the segregation gap(350).

This explains why it was 16,500

Sorry about the long and boring explanation but it is an often repeated myth that we declare tickets sold not actual attendances

The bit in bold - At which point, your official twitter account declared the game "another full house at Tynecastle" (I know because a jambo mate retweeted it) and hence perpetuates the myth of fullhouses / sellouts every week.

Unlike Hibs, who dont boast about it and just declare the actual attendees.

[son of haggart]

Im confused ..... I might be being a bit thick but I think I said we declare attendees and not ticket solds

You did, but you also said others didn't and that was why Hibs attendances appeared later, I was just pointing out that Hearts do declare actual attendance as well .

The timing of the 'declaration' is probably just an administrative thing

[I'm_cabbaged]

Hearts don't and ours are announced about 20-30 minutes into the second half

Read the post properly, sartuday sanny.

[ancient hibee]

You did, but you also said others didn't and that was why Hibs attendances appeared later, I was just pointing out that Hearts do declare actual attendance as well .

The timing of the 'declaration' is probably just an administrative thing

Don't how it can be said to be an "attendance" if it's declared before the match has started and it's not known who have turned up.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Formatting not great but here you go http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/avesco.htm

Average home attendace is interesting with us at 15383 and Aberdeen at 13807.... crazy

No. Club Average Games vs '16 Highest
1 Celtic FC 56.546 3 26,1% 58.348
2 Rangers FC 48.864 4 7,8% 49.680
3 Heart of Midlothian FC 16.231 4 -1,2% 16.777
4 Aberdeen FC 13.807 4 5,4% 19.263
5 Dundee FC 7.050 5 15,1% 9.702
6 Kilmarnock FC 6.217 4 55,7% 11.800
7 St. Johnstone FC 6.002 3 54,7% 6.823
8 Motherwell FC 4.249 4 -13,5% 4.666
9 Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC 3.970 4 5,7% 6.061
10 Partick Thistle FC 3.494 4 -8,1% 4.919
11 Ross County FC 3.313 4 -17,9% 3.669
12 Hamilton Academical FC 1.788 4 -40,9% 2.228
. Total 13.417 39,0% 58.348
Ladbrokes Championship

No. Club Average Games vs '16 Highest
1 Hibernian FC Edinburgh 15.383 4 64,7% 16.477
2 Dundee United FC 6.687 4 -16,1% 7.434
3 Falkirk FC 5.151 4 10,3% 6.458
4 Dunfermline Athletic FC 3.941 4 12,7% 5.563
5 St. Mirren FC 3.738 4 5,3% 4.997
6 Raith Rovers FC 2.803 4 21,0% 5.114
7 Queen of the South FC 2.348 4 11,0% 3.703
8 Ayr United FC 2.010 4 55,0% 2.883
9 Greenock Morton FC 1.737 4 -36,4% 2.079
10 Dumbarton FC 1.189 4 14,2% 1.475
. Total 4.499 -39,2% 16.477

Its got to be said that whatever the method of counting the demise of Scottish football appears to have been greatly exaggerated ..... these averages for the most part I would imagine stack up pretty well against anything seen in the last 20 years, certainly for the Yams, us and Aberdeen and I'm willing to bet that if they were put up against any country of a comparable size in Europe they would beat any of them easily.

Celtic .......... 56,000
Sevco ......... 48,000
Yams .......... 16,000
Hibs ............ 15,000
Aberdeen ..... 13,000
Dundee ........ 7,000
Dundee Utd ...6,000
St Johnston ...6,000
Killie ............ 6,000

I'm sure the figures for the 3 Premiership clubs below Aberdeen have been skewed somewhat by visits from the Ugly sisters, but even so its good to see them with an ok average at this stage ........... as usual the only club that disappoints me is ICT with an average of less than 4,000 even though they have been visited by both Ugly sisters already and IMO Motherwell should be doing a lot better with a population of 30,000 and 40,000 Wishaw on their doorstep .... though I accept that like Hamilton they suffer more than most from the disgusting pestilence of OF glory hunting.

Edit ............... Just imagine if we had football authorities with idea number 1 of how to promote the game and make the fan experience more exciting . ... ye gods, perhaps we could turn some of those 6 and 7 thousand averages into 8 and 9 thousand averages.

[son of haggart]

Don't how it can be said to be an "attendance" if it's declared before the match has started and it's not known who have turned up.


It's not

If you read my posts it's announced well into the second half

[son of haggart]

Read the post properly, sartuday sanny.

I thought I did - perhaps if you explain what the problem is with my post as I thought i had understood Lancs op ?

[ancient hibee]

It's not

If you read my posts it's announced well into the second half

So what is the figure that comes out mid morning?

[jgl07]

Hearts don't and ours are announced about 20-30 minutes into the second half
That does square with what I have heard.

I don't believe the Celtic quoted attendances for one minute.

[CropleyWasGod]

So what is the figure that comes out mid morning?
The number of tickets sold.

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[brianmc]

And how come there's a thread on kickback entitled "The mystery of sell outs and swathes of empty seats"?
Looks like even the hard of thinking sparry heids have finally noticed the numbers don't add up.

[son of haggart]

So what is the figure that comes out mid morning?

No figure comes out from the club until its announced in the second half of the game

It comes out on twitter if there are no tickets left for sale (ie all tickets the club has for sale have been sold)

[son of haggart]

That does square with what I have heard.

I don't believe the Celtic quoted attendances for one minute.

I think you are right

To be fair we certainly used to use tickets sold at one point - not sure exactly when it changed. I think as a whole Scottish football clubs have been really bad at giving real attendances, for obvious but historically different reasons.

[Mr White]

Last time i was at celtc park for the 1 nil defeat under butcher the place was barely one third full with huge empty sections and mostly patchy areas in the stands. Official "attendence" given was over 45000 :tee hee:

[neil7908]

Compare our attendance to the rest of this league (or even the SPL) and you'll see why we should be walking the title this year by some distance

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Can anyone tell me which website shows the home and away attendances at matches ?


Hearts are cheats.

[Sergey]

Compare our attendance to the rest of this league (or even the SPL) and you'll see why we should be walking the title this year by some distance

I really can't fathom your logic insomuch that as we've the biggest support, we should be winning the title by a distance.

You better run that one by me.

[jgl07]

I think you are right

To be fair we certainly used to use tickets sold at one point - not sure exactly when it changed. I think as a whole Scottish football clubs have been really bad at giving real attendances, for obvious but historically different reasons.
Virtually all teams down south use 'tickets sold'.

Here is a 'sell out' crowd for Manchester United v Stoke in the Premier League.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/MUFC_zps6lmvjlm6.png (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/MUFC_zps6lmvjlm6.png.html)

[son of haggart]

Virtually all teams down south use 'tickets sold'.

Here is a 'sell out' crowd for Manchester United v Stoke in the Premier League.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/MUFC_zps6lmvjlm6.png (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/MUFC_zps6lmvjlm6.png.html)

I think that approach is most prevalent in clubs with a high proportion of season tickets to available tickets, and a large fan diaspora or corporate ST holdings - Celtic, Rangers and Man United and Arsenal are obvious examples

[vuefrom1875]

Not up to date,but Hibs were getting 3500 more than Aberdeen in the first 3 home games for each club.Iwould probably imagine that figure has now increased......Build it and they will come!!

[MacGruber]

Why would it matter if the poppy thieves declared tickets sold or attendance? They would lie about both!

[Pete]

Can anyone tell me which website shows the home and away attendances at matches ?

Nice first post :tee hee:

[resident_Arab]

Probably because Hibs count actual attendees and the vast majority of other Clubs count ticket solds whether they turn up or not. Hence its alot quicker for them to confirm their attendances.


United have never counted ST holders who don't show either, many clubs do, including our neighbours

[resident_Arab]

Formatting not great but here you go http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/avesco.htm

Average home attendace is interesting with us at 15383 and Aberdeen at 13807.... crazy

No. Club Average Games vs '16 Highest
1 Celtic FC 56.546 3 26,1% 58.348
2 Rangers FC 48.864 4 7,8% 49.680
3 Heart of Midlothian FC 16.231 4 -1,2% 16.777
4 Aberdeen FC 13.807 4 5,4% 19.263
5 Dundee FC 7.050 5 15,1% 9.702
6 Kilmarnock FC 6.217 4 55,7% 11.800
7 St. Johnstone FC 6.002 3 54,7% 6.823
8 Motherwell FC 4.249 4 -13,5% 4.666
9 Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC 3.970 4 5,7% 6.061
10 Partick Thistle FC 3.494 4 -8,1% 4.919
11 Ross County FC 3.313 4 -17,9% 3.669
12 Hamilton Academical FC 1.788 4 -40,9% 2.228
. Total 13.417 39,0% 58.348
Ladbrokes Championship

No. Club Average Games vs '16 Highest
1 Hibernian FC Edinburgh 15.383 4 64,7% 16.477
2 Dundee United FC 6.687 4 -16,1% 7.434
3 Falkirk FC 5.151 4 10,3% 6.458
4 Dunfermline Athletic FC 3.941 4 12,7% 5.563
5 St. Mirren FC 3.738 4 5,3% 4.997
6 Raith Rovers FC 2.803 4 21,0% 5.114
7 Queen of the South FC 2.348 4 11,0% 3.703
8 Ayr United FC 2.010 4 55,0% 2.883
9 Greenock Morton FC 1.737 4 -36,4% 2.079
10 Dumbarton FC 1.189 4 14,2% 1.475
. Total 4.499 -39,2% 16.477



Should add, United are getting around 1500-2000 more home fans than Dundee and the average is skewed because they have already played sevco,celtic and aberdeen at home, their typical home support at Dens is 4500

Our home support has ranged 5500-6600 so far

[Earlydelivery]

Should add, United are getting around 1500-2000 more home fans than Dundee and the average is skewed because they have already played sevco,celtic and aberdeen at home, their typical home support at Dens is 4500

Our home support has ranged 5500-6600 (tel:5500-6600) so far
When was the last time they averaged more than you guys

[resident_Arab]

When was the last time they averaged more than you guys


Once in the last 40 odd years,the caniggia season in 2000/01, lots of them crawled out the woodwork, at sametime we won only 3 games in the calendar year of 2000 and had a lot of unrest with who should own the club , they scraped it by a couple hundred

Our lowest average in that time is 7100 btw, theirs is 2800 in 1997

[Earlydelivery]

Once in the last 40 odd years,the caniggia season in 2000/01, lots of them crawled out the woodwork, at sametime we won only 3 games in the calendar year of 2000 and had a lot of unrest with who should own the club , they scraped it by a couple hundred

Our lowest average in that time is 7100 btw, theirs is 2800 in 1997
I remember going up to dens in Scots cup 1/4 reply about 1974 sure there was about 36k at the game saying that we brought up enormous support that night ,the old ground was bursting at seams

[Earlydelivery]

Once in the last 40 odd years,the caniggia season in 2000/01, lots of them crawled out the woodwork, at sametime we won only 3 games in the calendar year of 2000 and had a lot of unrest with who should own the club , they scraped it by a couple hundred

Our lowest average in that time is 7100 btw, theirs is 2800 in 1997
I remember going up to dens in Scots cup 1/4 reply about 1974 sure there was about 36k at the game saying that we brought up enormous support that night ,the old ground was bursting at seams

[resident_Arab]

I remember going up to dens in Scots cup 1/4 reply about 1974 sure there was about 36k at the game saying that we brought up enormous support that night ,the old ground was bursting at seams


Big crowds during that cup run for Dundee

Average wise their crowds have declined ever since the post wwii crowd boom though

We were told if we were in a league below our support would disappear and them doing relatively well would have the bigger crowds, neither has happened, our support has remained very good over a terrible two year period of results, seeing our team decimated, going from top 3-5 for 8 years running and cup finals to relegation

[Earlydelivery]

Big crowds during that cup run for Dundee

Average wise their crowds have declined ever since the post wwii crowd boom though

We were told if we were in a league below our support would disappear and them doing relatively well would have the bigger crowds, neither has happened, our support has remained very good over a terrible two year period of results, seeing our team decimated, going from top 3-5 for 8 years running and cup finals to relegation
I know the feeling :confused:

[resident_Arab]

I know the feeling :confused:


Indeed, although relegation didn't come quite so fast for Hibs after losing your generation of players , we were challenging for 2nd and had just beaten Aberdeen to reach the Lge cup final (back to back finals) at the end of January 2015, barely won a game the rest of the season then relegated May 2016, was a drastic shift of direction

[hibee43]

I was the one who started this thread but I don't think there has been an answer to my original question. Is there a website(or some other info.scource) which gives a split between home supporters and away supporters at home games? Or all games,if there is one ?

[son of haggart]

I was the one who started this thread but I don't think there has been an answer to my original question. Is there a website(or some other info.scource) which gives a split between home supporters and away supporters at home games? Or all games,if there is one ?

Ah!

It may be that the somewhat ambiguous wording of your original post is the reason you haven't had a proper answer,

As far as I am aware, although clubs do often announce the number of away fans at games these are not published on any website.

Publishing attendances was originally all about accounting for the money received - it's only more recently become a bragging rights accessory . There's never been any need to count home and away fans separately, though I agree it would be interesting to see

[Bostonhibby]

Don't how it can be said to be an "attendance" if it's declared before the match has started and it's not known who have turned up.
Administrative thing, like declaring yourself "self sufficient" just before going into administration or only "owing debt to ourselves"

It's a yam thing.........

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[Smartie]

I was the one who started this thread but I don't think there has been an answer to my original question. Is there a website(or some other info.scource) which gives a split between home supporters and away supporters at home games? Or all games,if there is one ?

Is there not a site somewhere where it lists the top away supports in the UK over any given weekend? It's listed almost like a league table? I'm sure if you looked at that and then compared the official attendances you could work the breakdown out.

I've been surprised how often we've featured high on the list, although it is probably due to "the greatest league in the world" down South making less tickets available for visiting fans at games there.

[son of haggart]

Administrative thing, like declaring yourself "self sufficient" just before going into administration or only "owing debt to ourselves"

It's a yam thing.........

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As I said above , we don't do it, so it's not a thing at all...

[son of haggart]

Is there not a site somewhere where it lists the top away supports in the UK over any given weekend? It's listed almost like a league table? I'm sure if you looked at that and then compared the official attendances you could work the breakdown out.

I've been surprised how often we've featured high on the list, although it is probably due to "the greatest league in the world" down South making less tickets available for visiting fans at games there.

I found this one but it doesn't include Scotland

http://the72.co.uk/39376/attendances-championship-away-attendance-week-15/

[Bostonhibby]

As I said above , we don't do it, so it's not a thing at all...
If you say it enough it'll become true, it's a yam thing.

Nothing personal to you as I usually find myself accepting your posts and the vein in which you post.

Not relenting on numbers and seemingly truthful statements issued by modern day owners of your club though.

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[ABHibs]

Indeed, although relegation didn't come quite so fast for Hibs after losing your generation of players , we were challenging for 2nd and had just beaten Aberdeen to reach the Lge cup final (back to back finals) at the end of January 2015, barely won a game the rest of the season then relegated May 2016, was a drastic shift of direction

When Hibs went down under Jim Duffy we briefly topped the league in August 97 if memory serves. We beat Celtic 2-1 on Larsson's debut. By the time McLeish took over in Feb/March we looked doomed. Utd sent us down with a Kjell Olofsson double after Brebner gave Hibs the lead

[Malthibby]

When Hibs went down under Jim Duffy we briefly topped the league in August 97 if memory serves. We beat Celtic 2-1 on Larsson's debut. By the time McLeish took over in Feb/March we looked doomed. Utd sent us down with a Kjell Olofsson double after Brebner gave Hibs the lead

Aye, there were a few games towards the end in when we flattered to deceive & then Ooft, a solid kick inna fork & sick misery re-asserted itself.
Another fine season of stoic character building endurance.
Oooh, to be, to be a Hibee.......

[jgl07]

When Hibs went down under Jim Duffy we briefly topped the league in August 97 if memory serves. We beat Celtic 2-1 on Larsson's debut. By the time McLeish took over in Feb/March we looked doomed. Utd sent us down with a Kjell Olofsson double after Brebner gave Hibs the lead
Hibs were top for some time well into September. Hibs drew at Motherwell after leading and then were cheated by a 4-3 defeat by Rangers at Easter Road despite leading 3-1 at one stage and nearly going 4-1 up. The referee kept giving free kicks to Rangers near the box. With Jorge Albertz and Paul Gascogne that was bad news. Eventually Hibs were afraid to tackle and Rangers came through to win.

It was all downhill after that!

[Ronniekirk]

At present our average home gate is our best for 43 years Leeann is confident it will continue to grow and i would be surprised if its not another Attendence of over 15,000. on Saturday
You have to go back to Season 72/73 when we aveaged more than 16,000 at home games over the Season
Dont think i missed a home game that season unlike this Season where only managed three home games so far

[jgl07]

I would like some consistency.

I know that Hibs always declare those who turn up. Otherwise there would not be League matches with less attendanding than season tickets sold. This happened at least once last season.

I am pleased that Hearts are now doing the same and that ties in with the evidence I have seen. I used to get annoyed in the past when Hearts fans would crow about their attendances when they were including 'ghost' season ticket holders who had never set foot their since buying their season ticket.

I remain very dubious about the figures quoted by Celtic for some seasons.

Maybe we should all quote ticket sales and avoid the controversy. That seems to happen down South.

This 'big team wee team' crap that is floated by some Hearts fans (not the one posting here!) is obviously bull**** as there is rarely more than a 10% margin either way between Hibs and Hearts when comparing like with like.