Jambo Stand Update - Volume 7 Episode 7:0

[Bostonhibby]

Might be why the change of tune on fan ownership proportions suddenly coming down from 75% to 25% so these benefactors can have a significant share holding. FOH on 25% (eventually), Budge 51% and a few Benefactors with the other 25% might be the outcome. I can't see benefactors handing over more than Budge did for nothing in return.

They might be innovating in being the first Scottish club to be controlled by benefannies.
But,but the FOH foundation is there to buy the whole club from budge at high interest rates.

Wonder what's planned next for that money? Anything but shares by the looks of it.

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[greenginger]

Todays paper stating £3m in benefactors will help pay for the new stand.......where were they when they were bumping creditors left right and centre......they really are jammy *******s


Any ideas who these benefactors are ? Did someone mention Edinburgh Council ! .... surely not . :greengrin :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Any ideas who these benefactors are ? Did someone mention Edinburgh Council ! .... surely not . :greengrin :greengrin

They've been benevolent before to say the least, maybe its a partnership between them and Heriot Watt this time? both pretty generous at the tax payers expense last time around.

[Caversham Green]

That's not the way I read the EEN story.

£3m from FOH, £3m from Benny Factors, and they claim they have most of the rest of £6m themselves. "The remaining £6m will mostly come from cash set aside by Hearts, with a minor shortfall still to be made up."

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-net-3m-from-benefactors-for-new-main-stand-1-4256494

I agree with Green day here - it's old news, look at post#51 on this thread.

The new bit is the commitment from FoH for another £3m which they still have to raise.

So, their financing is:

£3m from Benny - they're unlikely to get much more from that source.
£3m 'financial reserves' - the 2015 accounts showed they had over £3m in the bank, but that included ST money to see them through the season. However, I think that was before they sold the Sow guy so maybe add another million to that, but take off what they needed to pay wages etc during the season.
£3m from FOH which they don't actually have yet and which will delay the handover of ownership.
£3m still to be found - a minor shortfall in Banderson's words. Player sales is the only source I can see for that one.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

I agree with Green day here - it's old news, look at post#51 on this thread.

The new bit is the commitment from FoH for another £3m which they still have to raise.

So, their financing is:

£3m from Benny - they're unlikely to get much more from that source.
£3m 'financial reserves' - the 2015 accounts showed they had over £3m in the bank, but that included ST money to see them through the season. However, I think that was before they sold the Sow guy so maybe add another million to that, but take off what they needed to pay wages etc during the season.
£3m from FOH which they don't actually have yet and which will delay the handover of ownership.
£3m still to be found - a minor shortfall in Banderson's words. Player sales is the only source I can see for that one.

Pleasing...tickety tock....:agree:

[greenginger]

I agree with Green day here - it's old news, look at post#51 on this thread.

The new bit is the commitment from FoH for another £3m which they still have to raise.

So, their financing is:

£3m from Benny - they're unlikely to get much more from that source.
£3m 'financial reserves' - the 2015 accounts showed they had over £3m in the bank, but that included ST money to see them through the season. However, I think that was before they sold the Sow guy so maybe add another million to that, but take off what they needed to pay wages etc during the season.
£3m from FOH which they don't actually have yet and which will delay the handover of ownership.
£3m still to be found - a minor shortfall in Banderson's words. Player sales is the only source I can see for that one.


Don't know if I am reading the HOMFC accounts right, but this is how I see it,

Year to 2015 show a loss of £ 852,000 and a loan/donation from FoH of £ 1.47 million - funds in kitty = £ 618,000
Year to 2014 show small profit and loan /donation from from FoH of £ 1.22 million - funds in kitty = £ 1,220,000

Up until last year there was £ 1.838 million available for stand fund.

So, we will see how the FoH dd's kept up, and if Potter and Co managed to blow their budget and eat into last years FoH money.

[Caversham Green]

Don't know if I am reading the HOMFC accounts right, but this is how I see it,

Year to 2015 show a loss of £ 852,000 and a loan/donation from FoH of £ 1.47 million - funds in kitty = £ 618,000
Year to 2014 show small profit and loan /donation from from FoH of £ 1.22 million - funds in kitty = £ 1,220,000

Up until last year there was £ 1.838 million available for stand fund.

So, we will see how the FoH dd's kept up, and if Potter and Co managed to blow their budget and eat into last years FoH money.

You need to look at the Balance Sheet - that shows cash in hand of £3m plus - I've assumed this is the 'financial reserves' Ms Budge was referring to - she neglected to mention £5m creditors though.

[greenginger]

You need to look at the Balance Sheet - that shows cash in hand of £3m plus - I've assumed this is the 'financial reserves' Ms Budge was referring to - she neglected to mention £5m creditors though.


Of the £ 5 million creditors , £ 3.5 million is deferred income ie season ticket and sponsorship money, is it not ?

[Bostonhibby]

You need to look at the Balance Sheet - that shows cash in hand of £3m plus - I've assumed this is the 'financial reserves' Ms Budge was referring to - she neglected to mention £5m creditors though.
They don't really have to factor in creditors, never have. They have their own special way of dealing with them.

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[Caversham Green]

Of the £ 5 million creditors , £ 3.5 million is deferred income ie season ticket and sponsorship money, is it not ?

Yes it is.

Which corresponds with the £3.5m cash in hand, leaving true 'financial reserves' at nil.

[Bill Milne]

I agree with Green day here - it's old news, look at post#51 on this thread.

The new bit is the commitment from FoH for another £3m which they still have to raise.

So, their financing is:

£3m from Benny - they're unlikely to get much more from that source.
£3m 'financial reserves' - the 2015 accounts showed they had over £3m in the bank, but that included ST money to see them through the season. However, I think that was before they sold the Sow guy so maybe add another million to that, but take off what they needed to pay wages etc during the season.
£3m from FOH which they don't actually have yet and which will delay the handover of ownership.
£3m still to be found - a minor shortfall in Banderson's words. Player sales is the only source I can see for that one.

You are getting a pounding on Keechback, CG, they reckon you "can't read a set of accounts properly"!!

[Jack Hackett]

You are getting a pounding on Keechback, CG, they reckon you "can't read a set of accounts properly"!!

:faf:

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[green day]

I agree with Green day here - it's old news, look at post#51 on this thread.

The new bit is the commitment from FoH for another £3m which they still have to raise.

So, their financing is:

£3m from Benny - they're unlikely to get much more from that source.
£3m 'financial reserves' - the 2015 accounts showed they had over £3m in the bank, but that included ST money to see them through the season. However, I think that was before they sold the Sow guy so maybe add another million to that, but take off what they needed to pay wages etc during the season.
£3m from FOH which they don't actually have yet and which will delay the handover of ownership.
£3m still to be found - a minor shortfall in Banderson's words. Player sales is the only source I can see for that one.

Thanks - thing is (for any Kickbackers looking in) neither you or I have done anything much but have a look at their previous press releases - so we can hardly be accused of making things up.

I totally get that the FoH provides an excellent source of additional income for this - and that is good news for the club - but pretty basic arithmetic tells me that £12M minus the benefactors £3M leaves lot of cash to be found.

If you take their PR at face value, they have ALL the cash ringfenced apart from a few piffling quid.

I cant reconcile that they have the money in place unless they have a financial model that no other football club in the world has (they think their FoH scheme is like Barcelona, by the way..........)

Unless Budge is financing it and getting the money back from the FoH direct debits over the next 6 years or so.

If that's the case, fine - just come out and say it, just don't pretend that Hearts are so well managed that they can magic up £6M over the course of two years - because that's simply a lie.

[jgl07]

Wonder if it is a debenture scheme? the legacy to pay more for a seat with a view of the castle :greengrin
So to watch Hibs you need to buy a season ticket.

To watch Hearts you need a season ticket a subscription to FoH and a Debenture for the new stand?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsFaVxcUMhQ

:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious

[Caversham Green]

You are getting a pounding on Keechback, CG, they reckon you "can't read a set of accounts properly"!!

And to prove his point the roaster that said that has jammed someone else's post on to the back of mine.

Thick as pigs**t.

[Bostonhibby]

Thanks - thing is (for any Kickbackers looking in) neither you or I have done anything much but have a look at their previous press releases - so we can hardly be accused of making things up.

I totally get that the FoH provides an excellent source of additional income for this - and that is good news for the club - but pretty basic arithmetic tells me that £12M minus the benefactors £3M leaves lot of cash to be found.

If you take their PR at face value, they have ALL the cash ringfenced apart from a few piffling quid.

I cant reconcile that they have the money in place unless they have a financial model that no other football club in the world has (they think their FoH scheme is like Barcelona, by the way..........)

Unless Budge is financing it and getting the money back from the FoH direct debits over the next 6 years or so.

If that's the case, fine - just come out and say it, just don't pretend that Hearts are so well managed that they can magic up £6M over the course of two years - because that's simply a lie.
Indeed, it won't be the first time documents disclosed by the yams themselves have been properly scrutinized only after they tee it up.

Dare one mention the self sufficiency one a few weeks before they went pop? Bandersons statement in the EEN where he mistakenly got his £millions wrong and of course the creditors list

They don't do finance/accounts/solvency

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[jgl07]

I finally managed to track down the City of Edinburgh Council Report into the case for a new stadium: These pages are interesting

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/8662bfe5-7fbf-4017-900e-77c81625d8ad_zpsrombsukr.png (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/8662bfe5-7fbf-4017-900e-77c81625d8ad_zpsrombsukr.png.html)

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/583f209d-2017-45c2-aacc-8b7a60ce3451_zpsoecsi25d.png (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/583f209d-2017-45c2-aacc-8b7a60ce3451_zpsoecsi25d.png.html)

It would appear that the issues of the pitch size was to (partially?) addressed in the Vlad Mega Stand redevelopment but seems to have been brushed under the carpet here.

[GreenLake]

I finally managed to track down the City of Edinburgh Council Report into the case for a new stadium: These pages are interesting

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/8662bfe5-7fbf-4017-900e-77c81625d8ad_zpsrombsukr.png (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/8662bfe5-7fbf-4017-900e-77c81625d8ad_zpsrombsukr.png.html)

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/583f209d-2017-45c2-aacc-8b7a60ce3451_zpsoecsi25d.png (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/583f209d-2017-45c2-aacc-8b7a60ce3451_zpsoecsi25d.png.html)

It would appear that the issues of the pitch size was to (partially?) addressed in the Vlad Mega Stand redevelopment but seems to have been brushed under the carpet here.

The piggery real estate lot is not fit for purpose yet they continue to invest in it.

[Mr White]

Big team wee pitch. And no cup. Big, wee or otherwise.

[Jack Hackett]

Big team wee pitch. And no cup. Big, wee or otherwise.

Yeah, but...It's got 'atmosphere'...though I personally think this is more to do with the distillery and hygiene standards of the regular occupants...not to mention the bogs.

[fat freddy]

I'm not fussed about what they are up to as their stadium will always be a 'Blue Peter empty carton and sticky back tape' effort compared to our UEFA compliant, fit for purpose footballing amphitheatre but that council report is the first time I've read that they have to appeal for annual dispensation to use their micro slum as a hoofball arena. It just proves how utterly inadequate their ground is for playing top flight modern football. The sensible thing would be for them to sell the land and start again up at the gap site in Sighthill where the high rise flats once stood, I guess this option has been considered and I've just not been paying attention but surely ploughing further money into Tynecastle appears to be based on sentiment rather than good business sense?

[southern hibby]

I'm not fussed about what they are up to as their stadium will always be a 'Blue Peter empty carton and sticky back tape' effort compared to our UEFA compliant, fit for purpose footballing amphitheatre but that council report is the first time I've read that they have to appeal for annual dispensation to use their micro slum as a hoofball arena. It just proves how utterly inadequate their ground is for playing top flight modern football. The sensible thing would be for them to sell the land and start again up at the gap site in Sighthill where the high rise flats once stood, I guess this option has been considered and I've just not been paying attention but surely ploughing further money into Tynecastle appears to be based on sentiment rather than good business sense?

Why would you wish putting all those inbred money stealing delusional peado **** on the poor folk of sighthill?

GGTTH

[Bostonhibby]

Why would you wish putting all those inbred money stealing delusional peado **** on the poor folk of sighthill?

GGTTH
[emoji1] Dump them somewhere in Midlothian, where they're the heart of.


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[greenginger]

I finally managed to track down the City of Edinburgh Council Report into the case for a new stadium: These pages are interesting

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/8662bfe5-7fbf-4017-900e-77c81625d8ad_zpsrombsukr.png (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/8662bfe5-7fbf-4017-900e-77c81625d8ad_zpsrombsukr.png.html)

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/583f209d-2017-45c2-aacc-8b7a60ce3451_zpsoecsi25d.png (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/583f209d-2017-45c2-aacc-8b7a60ce3451_zpsoecsi25d.png.html)

It would appear that the issues of the pitch size was to (partially?) addressed in the Vlad Mega Stand redevelopment but seems to have been brushed under the carpet here.


Thing is their pitch isn't even 100 meters long.

Their own measurement is 107 yards which is only 97.84 meters.

[Billy Whizz]

Thing is their pitch isn't even 100 meters long.

Their own measurement is 107 yards which is only 97.84 meters.

Suited to hoofball

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Thing is their pitch isn't even 100 meters long.

Their own measurement is 107 yards which is only 97.84 meters.


And knowing these welts, that'll be exaggerated anaw.

[Jack Hackett]

Thing is their pitch isn't even 100 meters long.

Their own measurement is 107 yards which is only 97.84 meters.

Think you've got that the wrong way round bud :wink:

[dalkeith stu]

[emoji1] Dump them somewhere in Midlothian, where they're the heart of.


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Bang out of order!!!!

[Bostonhibby]

Bang out of order!!!!
But they're the heart of Midlothian, nowt to do with Edinburgh.

Wonder where the middle of Midlothian is?[emoji6]

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[Jack Hackett]

But they're the heart of Midlothian, nowt to do with Edinburgh.

Wonder where the middle of Midlothian is?[emoji6]

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...about half way between Penicuik and Gorebridge, which is in the middle of nowhere...


....sounds about right to me :greengrin

One things for sure...it's naywhere near ******* Gorgie

[greenginger]

Think you've got that the wrong way round bud :wink:


:confused: :confused: Sorry, don't get that one. are you saying a yard is longer than a meter ?

[Bostonhibby]

...about half way between Penicuik and Gorebridge, which is in the middle of nowhere...


....sounds about right to me :greengrin

One things for sure...it's naywhere near ******* Gorgie

Excellent, just have to dig a similar distance down then

[Jack Hackett]

:confused: :confused: Sorry, don't get that one. are you saying a yard is longer than a meter ?

Em.. . Yeah. By about 3 inches.

[Greenworld]

Em.. . Yeah. By about 3 inches.
A meter is only slightly longer than a yard, as 1 meter equals 39.37 inches, or 1.0936 yards. Alternatively, one yard is equal to 91.44 centimeters, whereas a meter is 100 centimeters.

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[Jack Hackett]

A meter is only slightly longer than a yard, as 1 meter equals 39.37 inches, or 1.0936 yards. Alternatively, one yard is equal to 91.44 centimeters, whereas a meter is 100 centimeters.

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You are 100% right and I hang my head in shame.

Forgive me...I'm old and confused

[Greenworld]

You are 100% right and I hang my head in shame.

Forgive me...I'm old and confused
So am I old enough to work imperial and metric.
I remember on the sites it was just 3ft 3 was a meter you were close 😉

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[Pete]

A meter is only slightly longer than a yard, as 1 meter equals 39.37 inches, or 1.0936 yards. Alternatively, one yard is equal to 91.44 centimeters, whereas a meter is 100 centimeters.

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Jambo yards are bigger than metres though.

Don't ask, they just are because hearts are big.

[Caversham Green]

A meter is only slightly longer than a yard, as 1 meter equals 39.37 inches, or 1.0936 yards. Alternatively, one yard is equal to 91.44 centimeters, whereas a meter is 100 centimeters.

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Ahem.

A meter is a thing for measuring how much gas you use. The thing that's a bit bigger than a yard is a metre.

Unless you're from the land of the brave and the home of the free,

[Geo_1875]

If 1 metre = 1.0936 yards does that not mean that a yard is bigger?

PS I know a metre is longer but that statement doesn't make sense to me unless I'm no reading it right

You are taking the piss?

Reminds me when we used to use metre poles at work. The old guys had them marked at a yard and had a 3" handle at the end.

[BoomtownHibees]

You are taking the piss?

Reminds me when we used to use metre poles at work. The old guys had them marked at a yard and had a 3" handle at the end.

I re-read it and got it but no I wasn't taking the piss as you succinctly put it

[Geo_1875]

I re-read it and got it but no I wasn't taking the piss as you succinctly put it

No offence intended.

[greenginger]

http://www.footballgroundguide.com/scotland/hearts.htm

Getting back to the point about pitch size. The PBS is 107 yards which is 97.84 metres long and a fully compliant UEFA pitch is supposed to be 105 metres long.

Mrs Budge and friends bang on about the new PBS hosting internationals etc and All is Barry and Co put it in print without question.

[mjh]

We may be able to claim the 'high ground' in terms of financial analysis but I'm not sure we're covering ourselves in glory in the measurements & civil engineering arena

[Mr White]

We may be able to claim the 'high ground' in terms of financial analysis but I'm not sure we're covering ourselves in glory in the measurements & civil engineering arena

:tee hee:

[Bostonhibby]

http://www.footballgroundguide.com/scotland/hearts.htm

Getting back to the point about pitch size. The PBS is 107 yards which is 97.84 metres long and a fully compliant UEFA pitch is supposed to be 105 metres long.

Mrs Budge and friends bang on about the new PBS hosting internationals etc and All is Barry and Co put it in print without question.

It's planet yam, they have been brought up on the mantra that if you say it often enough it will be true.

[tamig]

It's planet yam, they have been brought up on the mantra that if you say it often enough it will be true.

I think they are the only club who quote their official pitch dimensions in yards rather than metres. Purely for the illusion of greater size.

[jgl07]

Thing is their pitch isn't even 100 meters long.

Their own measurement is 107 yards which is only 97.84 meters.

It was converted into metric using Yamathmatics.

[WhileTheChief..]

We may be able to claim the 'high ground' in terms of financial analysis but I'm not sure we're covering ourselves in glory in the measurements & civil engineering arena

:agree: Been a while since we had a post this sensible in this thread.

[greenginger]

We may be able to claim the 'high ground' in terms of financial analysis but I'm not sure we're covering ourselves in glory in the measurements & civil engineering arena


Are you saying a measurement of 107 yards does not convert to 97.84 metres ??

Please give us your conversion method.

[northstandhibby]

Are you saying a measurement of 107 yards does not convert to 97.84 metres ??

Please give us your conversion method.

The Piggeries pitch is virtually exactly 97.84 m in length making it non-compliant to stage UEFA main competition games

It has to be stage 4 requirement for UEFA purpose and the Piggery falls short of these strict guidelines.

:giruy2: GIRUY Yams

[Jack Hackett]

Are you saying a measurement of 107 yards does not convert to 97.84 metres ??

Please give us your conversion method.

He's making a (deserved, it must humbly be admitted) allusion to one of my previous inaccurate posts :greengrin

[jgl07]

I am amazed that Hearts are contemplating spending large sums of money on a stadium that is 'not fit for purpose'. This annual application for dispensation to have a playing area 20% below the required size and absence of run off areas and space for advertising cannot go on for ever.

Building this stand will lock Hearts into this for ever. The extra pitch width could have been dealt with by building the new stand back but this proposal is bang up to the existing stands. This comment in the report by CEC in 2011 is relevant and very chilling from a Hearts perspective:

"To date the dispensation has been granted but there is no guarantee that the current pitch arrangements will be suitable for use in the future either for domestic or international competitions."

Also 20,000 capacity looks way too low for Hearts. They are regularly getting 16,000+ and are largely constrained by the current arrangement with particular areas in the Main Stand left empty deliberately. Surely Hearts should be looking at a minimum of 25,000 with their fanbase? That certainly came out of the City of Edinburgh Council Report in 2011.

Hibs are similarly showing that a successful team back in the Premiership should be capable of attracting well over 20,000 for the big matches. Hibs do have the ability to expand if needed.

I would love to see a decent 25,000 stadium in Edinburgh, if for no other reason, to accommodate League Cup semi-finals and the like for say Hibs against Aberdeen or Dundee United.

[Geo_1875]

I am amazed that Hearts are contemplating spending large sums of money on a stadium that is 'not fit for purpose'. This annual application for dispensation to have a playing area 20% below the required size and absence of run off areas and space for advertising cannot go on for ever.

Building this stand will lock Hearts into this for ever. The extra pitch width could have been dealt with by building the new stand back but this proposal is bang up to the existing stands. This comment in the report by CEC in 2011 is relevant and very chilling from a Hearts perspective:

"To date the dispensation has been granted but there is no guarantee that the current pitch arrangements will be suitable for use in the future either for domestic or international competitions."

Also 20,000 capacity looks way too low for Hearts. They are regularly getting 16,000+ and are largely constrained by the current arrangement with particular areas in the Main Stand left empty deliberately. Surely Hearts should be looking at a minimum of 25,000 with their fanbase? That certainly came out of the City of Edinburgh Council Report in 2011.

Hibs are similarly showing that a successful team back in the Premiership should be capable of attracting well over 20,000 for the big matches. Hibs do have the ability to expand if needed.

I would love to see a decent 25,000 stadium in Edinburgh, if for no other reason, to accommodate League Cup semi-finals and the like for say Hibs against Aberdeen or Dundee United.

There's only one stadium in Edinburgh capable of being adapted to a 25k+ capacity and we wouldn't be allowed to play League Cup semi-finals at home.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I am amazed that Hearts are contemplating spending large sums of money on a stadium that is 'not fit for purpose'. This annual application for dispensation to have a playing area 20% below the required size and absence of run off areas and space for advertising cannot go on for ever.

Building this stand will lock Hearts into this for ever. The extra pitch width could have been dealt with by building the new stand back but this proposal is bang up to the existing stands. This comment in the report by CEC in 2011 is relevant and very chilling from a Hearts perspective:

"To date the dispensation has been granted but there is no guarantee that the current pitch arrangements will be suitable for use in the future either for domestic or international competitions."

Also 20,000 capacity looks way too low for Hearts. They are regularly getting 16,000+ and are largely constrained by the current arrangement with particular areas in the Main Stand left empty deliberately. Surely Hearts should be looking at a minimum of 25,000 with their fanbase? That certainly came out of the City of Edinburgh Council Report in 2011.

Hibs are similarly showing that a successful team back in the Premiership should be capable of attracting well over 20,000 for the big matches. Hibs do have the ability to expand if needed.

I would love to see a decent 25,000 stadium in Edinburgh, if for no other reason, to accommodate League Cup semi-finals and the like for say Hibs against Aberdeen or Dundee United.

If they had had an eye on the future I cant see why the Yams didn't come up with a plan to knock a few more rows off both the end stands to lengthen the pitch and run off areas .... they could have built the new stand further back to widen the pitch and then widened the end stands ( there appears to be just enough room to do that ) to make up the seats lost by removing seats at the front.

I'm sure I've seen somewhere that though UEFA are OK with giving dispensation to clubs stuck with below regulation pitch sizes they will take a dim view of clubs who don't seek to address the problem when the opportunity presents itself, for example when it builds a new stand. In fact Hibs are an example of this ..... the Yams make a big deal of the fact that the east stand at ER is so far back from the touchline ( if you listen to the big deal some some Yams make of it you would think the front row was in Musselburgh ) and doesn't join up with the end stands, but Hibs built it that way specifically to enable them to widen the pitch to international standard ...... in the decades to come I'm sure that we will look to connect the stands together making ER a really decent stadium in European terms.

The Yams in their haste to preserve the 'unique' Tynecastle atmosphere have left themselves nowhere to go and as a result have also preserved Tynecastle's unique inability to host competitive international matches and Europa league group matches .... that's pretty short sighted if you ask me.

[southsider]

The Piggeries pitch is virtually exactly 97.84 m in length making it non-compliant to stage UEFA main competition games

It has to be stage 4 requirement for UEFA purpose and the Piggery falls short of these strict guidelines.

:giruy2: GIRUY Yams
If the hertz were to beat a team in,say, the League Cup could the losers not appeal because the pitch is too small ?

[tamig]

If they had had an eye on the future I cant see why the Yams didn't come up with a plan to knock a few more rows off both the end stands to lengthen the pitch and run off areas .... they could have built the new stand further back to widen the pitch and then widened the end stands ( there appears to be just enough room to do that ) to make up the seats lost by removing seats at the front.

I'm sure I've seen somewhere that though UEFA are OK with giving dispensation to clubs stuck with below regulation pitch sizes they will take a dim view of clubs who don't seek to address the problem when the opportunity presents itself, for example when it builds a new stand. In fact Hibs are an example of this ..... the Yams make a big deal of the fact that the east stand at ER is so far back from the touchline ( if you listen to the big deal some some Yams make of it you would think the front row was in Musselburgh ) and doesn't join up with the end stands, but Hibs built it that way specifically to enable them to widen the pitch to international standard ...... in the decades to come I'm sure that we will look to connect the stands together making ER a really decent stadium in European terms.

The Yams in their haste to preserve the 'unique' Tynecastle atmosphere have left themselves nowhere to go and as a result have also preserved Tynecastle's unique inability to host competitive international matches and Europa league group matches .... that's pretty short sighted if you ask me.
That wouldn' t solve the problem of the big pink towers which would then be stuck on the widened pitch. They can't move them or the stands behind the goals would come a tumbling down!

[jgl07]

That wouldn' t solve the problem of the big pink towers which would then be stuck on the widened pitch. They can't move them or the stands behind the goals would come a tumbling down!
That is the fundamental problem of the Hearts 'Goal Post' type stands. There is no scope to do anything without demolishing the lot.

Mind you the state of the existing stands, that might not be a problem.

[GreenLake]

We may be able to claim the 'high ground' in terms of financial analysis but I'm not sure we're covering ourselves in glory in the measurements & civil engineering arena

When the Hearts are involved somebody or something will be left short.

[Itsnoteasy]

If they had had an eye on the future I cant see why the Yams didn't come up with a plan to knock a few more rows off both the end stands to lengthen the pitch and run off areas .... they could have built the new stand further back to widen the pitch and then widened the end stands ( there appears to be just enough room to do that ) to make up the seats lost by removing seats at the front.

I'm sure I've seen somewhere that though UEFA are OK with giving dispensation to clubs stuck with below regulation pitch sizes they will take a dim view of clubs who don't seek to address the problem when the opportunity presents itself, for example when it builds a new stand. In fact Hibs are an example of this ..... the Yams make a big deal of the fact that the east stand at ER is so far back from the touchline ( if you listen to the big deal some some Yams make of it you would think the front row was in Musselburgh ) and doesn't join up with the end stands, but Hibs built it that way specifically to enable them to widen the pitch to international standard ...... in the decades to come I'm sure that we will look to connect the stands together making ER a really decent stadium in European terms.

The Yams in their haste to preserve the 'unique' Tynecastle atmosphere have left themselves nowhere to go and as a result have also preserved Tynecastle's unique inability to host competitive international matches and Europa league group matches .... that's pretty short sighted if you ask me.

We can't fill ER as it is. So why would we fill in the corners.

[hibs0666]

We can't fill ER as it is. So why would we fill in the corners.

Because we can.

[jgl07]

We can't fill ER as it is. So why would we fill in the corners.
If Hibs can average 15,500 in the Championship with rubbish visiting support there is no reason why Easter Road should not get 20,000 plus in the Premiership especially for a team with decent visiting support.

Secondly filling in the corners would dramatically improve the atmosphere in Easter Road even when it is not full.

I can recall less than a years back when the moaners on here were calling for the closure of both the North and the South Stands because "We can't fill it"!

[NAE NOOKIE]

We can't fill ER as it is. So why would we fill in the corners.

Use your imagination mate ... you don't have to fill in the corners with seats, there's a load of fantastic grounds around the world that have the corners filled in to enclose the ground without using seats, for example:



https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M724625208a5586b015b0c2404a78fbabo0&w=228&h=148&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0 (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+for+boavista+stadium&view=detailv2&qpvt=images+for+boavista+stadium&id=A2C03277DB584581B341FE8A98F08EC5A2CD4F40&selectedIndex=7&ccid=ckYlIIpV&simid=607988158506731962&thid=OIP.M724625208a5586b015b0c2404a78fbabo0)https ://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M2218abcad6cc36361eb90bdc0d18c768o0&w=300&h=199&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0 (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+for+genoa+stadium&view=detailv2&&id=C3996982599970C3D58CDE9D4ECCC35457AC55DE&selectedIndex=0&ccid=IhirytbM&simid=608027831126852530&thid=OIP.M2218abcad6cc36361eb90bdc0d18c768o0)

[GreenLake]

Use your imagination mate ... you don't have to fill in the corners with seats, there's a load of fantastic grounds around the world that have the corners filled in to enclose the ground without using seats, for example:



https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M724625208a5586b015b0c2404a78fbabo0&w=228&h=148&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0 (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+for+boavista+stadium&view=detailv2&qpvt=images+for+boavista+stadium&id=A2C03277DB584581B341FE8A98F08EC5A2CD4F40&selectedIndex=7&ccid=ckYlIIpV&simid=607988158506731962&thid=OIP.M724625208a5586b015b0c2404a78fbabo0)https ://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M2218abcad6cc36361eb90bdc0d18c768o0&w=300&h=199&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0 (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+for+genoa+stadium&view=detailv2&&id=C3996982599970C3D58CDE9D4ECCC35457AC55DE&selectedIndex=0&ccid=IhirytbM&simid=608027831126852530&thid=OIP.M2218abcad6cc36361eb90bdc0d18c768o0)

One corner could be used to house the future Hibs4KUHD3DTV streaming servers, a second could hold a wax museum dedicated to the 2016 cup winning team, a third could house a public address system with real speakers and amplifiers and the last could be a block of cells for those who jeer and swear at Hibs players from the stands.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

One corner could be used to house the future Hibs4KUHD3DTV streaming servers, a second could hold a wax museum dedicated to the 2016 cup winning team, a third could house a public address system with real speakers and amplifiers and the last could be a block of cells for those who jeer and swear at Hibs players from the stands.

Don't Norwich have a Travelodge or something in a corner and recently I saw Sheffield Utd were planning a massive 7 story building for one of their corners.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I'm also sure Leyton Orient built apartment blocks in a couple of their corners. I would personally fill in the lower tier of the corners with seats, (would give us a final capacity of 22,000-22,500), then where the upper tier would be, construct function & entertainment facilities in the NE & SW corners. For the SE & NW corners, an upper tier isn't possible so simply have jumbotron screens in those two corners.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Don't Norwich have a Travelodge or something in a corner and recently I saw Sheffield Utd were planning a massive 7 story building for one of their corners.

I think they do, but as I recall it doesn't actually form part of the stadium, its just built in that corner but doesn't serve to join up the stands. If and when Hibs get around to this any building should form the end walls of the stands its built between.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I'm also sure Leyton Orient built apartment blocks in a couple of their corners. I would personally fill in the lower tier of the corners with seats, (would give us a final capacity of 22,000-22,500), then where the upper tier would be, construct function & entertainment facilities in the NE & SW corners. For the SE & NW corners, an upper tier isn't possible so simply have jumbotron screens in those two corners.

A bit like this but with buildings .... though the glass still looks pretty good ..... FC Cologne.

To be honest I wouldn't like to see Hibs increase the capacity by more than a few hundred .... a lot of Yams are pretty disappointed that their capacity isn't going up to at least 25,000, but if I was them I would rather see a 20,000 seater mostly full than a 25,000 seater mostly not. Some of them have forgotten that the crowds they get just now are their biggest for decades, its unlikely to last and certainly not to the extent that a 25,000 seater wouldn't have ended up exactly as Easter Road has for us .... great on the few occasions its full, but a bit of a problem if the crowds are under 12,000 or so.

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M5002a2f09fa1e6edd5a40b4358bf5700o0&w=300&h=225&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0 (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=cologne+fc+stadium+images&view=detailv2&qpvt=cologne+fc+stadium+images&id=0B360D7260E5A2603724B9BDF489FE3F89E7DCA5&selectedIndex=2&ccid=UAKi8J%2bh&simid=608032757446544585&thid=OIP.M5002a2f09fa1e6edd5a40b4358bf5700o0)

[tamig]

That is the fundamental problem of the Hearts 'Goal Post' type stands. There is no scope to do anything without demolishing the lot.

Mind you the state of the existing stands, that might not be a problem.
They look like temporary structures that are way beyond their sell-by date. A bad move staying there as they will need to think about replacing the three "new" stands sooner rather than later.

[lord bunberry]

The question remains as to how the spectators will gain access to the Main Stand while the rear portion is being constructed?

It also is a moot point is how the demolition of the Main Stand can take place with the part constructed new stand right behind it. There would be no way to get machines through. The Main Stand is already tight up against the 'goalpost frames' for the Gorgie Road and Roseburn Stands. It really needs to be demolished from the rear.

I still think that even three months is insufficient time to demolish the main stand, clear up the site, and complete the works. It is more work than Hibs had to do when the East Stand was rebuilt. and that took the best part of six months to complete.
They will be able to enter the old stand through the sewers like they always have done. Rats aren't that fussy when it comes to this sort of thing.

[StevieC]

Secondly filling in the corners would dramatically improve the atmosphere in Easter Road even when it is not full.

I'm led to believe that closing off corners can have a detrimental affect on the quality of the pitch. Something to do with air not circulating sufficiently over the grass. I can remember a stadium tour at Ajax where they said that the pitch needs to be replaced regularly because of this issue, although that was a few years ago and maybe they've come up with a solution since then.

[jgl07]

I'm led to believe that closing off corners can have a detrimental affect on the quality of the pitch. Something to do with air not circulating sufficiently over the grass. I can remember a stadium tour at Ajax where they said that the pitch needs to be replaced regularly because of this issue, although that was a few years ago and maybe they've come up with a solution since then.
That only applies with tall stands and a retractable roof. It doesn't cause a problem with something like Easter Road.

In any event the problems are all about the lack of sunlight not circulation of air. Hibs have board up to block the corners anyway.

[StevieC]

That only applies with tall stands and a retractable roof. It doesn't cause a problem with something like Easter Road.

In any event the problems are all about the lack of sunlight not circulation of air. Hibs have board up to block the corners anyway.

I found this ...

"Problem - Regeneration in shade and lack of atmospheric air movement.
The impact of shade and impeded air circulation will affect the characteristics of a pitch. Higher stands and wrap around stadiums will severely impede the ingress of vital air and light, as a consequence grass will struggle to grow."

Whilst it does state that high stands can be an issue (are ours high?) it looks like it's wraparound (no mention of retractable roof) that causes the issues. If we filled the corners (and I am guessing covered them) would that then make ER a wraparound stadium?

[jgl07]

I found this ...

"Problem - Regeneration in shade and lack of atmospheric air movement.
The impact of shade and impeded air circulation will affect the characteristics of a pitch. Higher stands and wrap around stadiums will severely impede the ingress of vital air and light, as a consequence grass will struggle to grow."

Whilst it does state that high stands can be an issue (are ours high?) it looks like it's wraparound (no mention of retractable roof) that causes the issues. If we filled the corners (and I am guessing covered them) would that then make ER a wraparound stadium?
Easter Road Stands are tiny compared to many in the English Premier League, for example St James' Park.

Here is the Amsterdam Arena:

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/Amsterdam_Arena_Roof_Open_zps9cpixanz.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/Amsterdam_Arena_Roof_Open_zps9cpixanz.jpg.html)

It is not hard to see why it struggles to get light and air in!

Easter Road by comparison is well ventilated and comparatively airey.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JGL07/easter-road-stadium_zpshdqcosa2.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JGL07/media/easter-road-stadium_zpshdqcosa2.jpg.html)

Note the translucent roof on certain stands (specifically the West) to allow more light through. The side walls and the advertising boards between the stands already cut out a lot of wind. Filling in the corners is unlikely to make that much difference.

[greenginger]

Mrs Budge now has the paperwork from last weeks planning meeting.

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/A2037D1F776D77062FAAB54F4608A0A7/pdf/16_03823_FUL-REQUEST_FOR_LEGAL_AGREEMENT-3445023.pdf

The Council is " Minded to grant planning permission " subject to a raft of conditions, none of which are particularly onerous but very time consuming.

Firstly a legal agreement needs to be in place between HOMFC and the Council before anything else proceeds. These can take weeks/months depending on the workload of the Council solicitors dept.

Before any work starts ( except demolishing the old offices and nursery ) the safety improvement work in the Distillery needs to be complete. The plans for this work are currently in the planning stage.

The old offices can't be demolished before the new ones under the Wheatfield Stand are complete and ready for occupation. They are still at the brickwork stage and still not got a building warrant for the work yet.

The old nursery can't be demolished until the temporary replacement is built and ready for occupation. That project is still at the planning department stage.

A few hoops to jump through before work gets underway, but more time for the direct debits to amass and the wealthy donors to be located.

[Hibby70]

Mrs Budge now has the paperwork from last weeks planning meeting.

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/A2037D1F776D77062FAAB54F4608A0A7/pdf/16_03823_FUL-REQUEST_FOR_LEGAL_AGREEMENT-3445023.pdf

The Council is " Minded to grant planning permission " subject to a raft of conditions, none of which are particularly onerous but very time consuming.

Firstly a legal agreement needs to be in place between HOMFC and the Council before anything else proceeds. These can take weeks/months depending on the workload of the Council solicitors dept.

Before any work starts ( except demolishing the old offices and nursery ) the safety improvement work in the Distillery needs to be complete. The plans for this work are currently in the planning stage.

The old offices can't be demolished before the new ones under the Wheatfield Stand are complete and ready for occupation. They are still at the brickwork stage and still not got a building warrant for the work yet.

The old nursery can't be demolished until the temporary replacement is built and ready for occupation. That project is still at the planning department stage.

A few hoops to jump through before work gets underway, but more time for the direct debits to amass and the wealthy donors to be located.

In my professional opinion (higher techy drawing), it sounds like their original timeline is goosed. I'd expect a 12 month delay now till opening day.

[greenginger]

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/A2037D1F776D77062FAAB54F4608A0A7/pdf/16_03823_FUL-REQUEST_FOR_LEGAL_AGREEMENT-3445023.pdf

Oh, and I forgot to mention clause 9, which requires them to carry out and submit a report including an intrusive investigation into any onsite or existing structure contamination before work starts.

In other words where's the asbestos and what are you going to do about it ? :greengrin

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Whatever the hurdles they will squirm out of it, they always do.

[jacomo]

In my professional opinion (higher techy drawing), it sounds like their original timeline is goosed. I'd expect a 12 month delay now till opening day.

What is Budge playing at?

Why set such an ambitious timetable for the work, if it has all these complications?

Far be it from me to suggest the Jambos are being hoodwinked, but some things about this project just don't add up.

[Moulin Yarns]

What is Budge playing at?

Why set such an ambitious timetable for the work, if it has all these complications?

Far be it from me to suggest the Jambos are being hoodwinked, but some things about this project just don't add up.


http://www.clipartkid.com/images/581/clipart-approved-rubber-stamp-accepted-approval-result-fotosearch-A0qP14-clipart.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwij3oHOmunPAhVCUBQKHXHoDGUQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clipartkid.com%2Fstamp-of-approval-cliparts%2F&psig=AFQjCNHWdiUV8AMqLRWXz3XMEUrt1RBg-A&ust=1477046891086666)

[bruno]

Mrs Budge now has the paperwork from last weeks planning meeting.

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/A2037D1F776D77062FAAB54F4608A0A7/pdf/16_03823_FUL-REQUEST_FOR_LEGAL_AGREEMENT-3445023.pdf

The Council is " Minded to grant planning permission " subject to a raft of conditions, none of which are particularly onerous but very time consuming.

Firstly a legal agreement needs to be in place between HOMFC and the Council before anything else proceeds. These can take weeks/months depending on the workload of the Council solicitors dept.

Before any work starts ( except demolishing the old offices and nursery ) the safety improvement work in the Distillery needs to be complete. The plans for this work are currently in the planning stage.

The old offices can't be demolished before the new ones under the Wheatfield Stand are complete and ready for occupation. They are still at the brickwork stage and still not got a building warrant for the work yet.

The old nursery can't be demolished until the temporary replacement is built and ready for occupation. That project is still at the planning department stage.

A few hoops to jump through before work gets underway, but more time for the direct debits to amass and the wealthy donors to be located.

I know a short while ago you mentioned that Ann Budge had a cheek as she didn't own the buildings she was proposing being knocked down and she would still need to negotiate a price from the private owners. I presume these have now been purchased, apologies if I've missed you reporting said sale

I'm sure I heard that the nursery was having a temporary location which was already in place so works can go ahead on time as planned, again you may know better

[Kato]

Typical that Hearts fans have to come on here ask what is going on.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Personally I hope they get it built before our next League cup semi final ... say what you like about the PBS but its a lucky ground for us in semi finals, we have won our last 3 there ... all part of the Hertz fine tradition of helping us progress in cup competitions when we go to their place :greengrin

[GreenLake]

I can see a future title rivalry between the updated piggery stadium and the failed Parthenon attempt on top of Calton Hill.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Ann Budge

Excuse me! Mrs Budge if you don't mind.

[greenginger]

I know a short while ago you mentioned that Ann Budge had a cheek as she didn't own the buildings she was proposing being knocked down and she would still need to negotiate a price from the private owners. I presume these have now been purchased, apologies if I've missed you reporting said sale

I'm sure I heard that the nursery was having a temporary location which was already in place so works can go ahead on time as planned, again you may know better

Sorry to disappoint you Bruno but your information is incorrect.

The Chris Stewart company ( SC 480719 ) which holds title to the offices Hearts are renting and are still being used as security by the company for a loan they have from PSSF Sterling B.V.
If Mrs Budge has bought the offices the loan would have been repaid and the Security noted as " satisfied ". Company House still notes the security as " unsatisfied "

The Council planning website has an application number 16/04704 for temporary nursery accommodation to be located on Hearts property in Wheatfield Street. The application is noted as " awaiting assessment " by the planners, and a decision is some weeks away. Then a building warrant will be required, and then work can start on constructing the temporary nursery .
After that is complete the Gorgie sprogs can moved from behind the stand and work could start on the demolition , that's if they have agreed a price with Council for the property .

[Kato]

I presume

Whoops! Surely, Bruno, a Hearts fan with your experience should know by now that presuming anything re-your clubs' finances/dealings with Edinburgh Council is largely a no-no.

[greenginger]

Whoops! Surely, Bruno, a Hearts fan with your experience should know by now that presuming anything re-your clubs' finances/dealings with Edinburgh Council is largely a no-no.



http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budge-fans-can-bring-even-more-success-to-hearts-1-4263162

I think Hearts fans can safely presume their direct debits are wanted down Gorgie way.

[Kato]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budge-fans-can-bring-even-more-success-to-hearts-1-4263162

I think Hearts fans can safely presume their direct debits are wanted down Gorgie way.

The pleading hasn't reached fever pitch, yet.

[JT Fae The Toon]

Sorry to disappoint you Bruno but your information is incorrect.

The Chris Stewart company ( SC 480719 ) which holds title to the offices Hearts are renting and are still being used as security by the company for a loan they have from PSSF Sterling B.V.
If Mrs Budge has bought the offices the loan would have been repaid and the Security noted as " satisfied ". Company House still notes the security as " unsatisfied "

The Council planning website has an application number 16/04704 for temporary nursery accommodation to be located on Hearts property in Wheatfield Street. The application is noted as " awaiting assessment " by the planners, and a decision is some weeks away. Then a building warrant will be required, and then work can start on constructing the temporary nursery .
After that is complete the Gorgie sprogs can moved from behind the stand and work could start on the demolition , that's if they have agreed a price with Council for the property .

Something appears to have changed.

Order to terminate gas supply prior to said building being demolished has been processed by Transco.

[derek0762]

Something appears to have changed.

Order to terminate gas supply prior to said building being demolished has been processed by Transco.

Who's Transco? There's no such a company anymore!

[Bostonhibby]

Looking forward to seeing the price the council got for their property, how it was tendered to ensure best value and what all the other bids were.

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[greenginger]

Something appears to have changed.

Order to terminate gas supply prior to said building being demolished has been processed by Transco.


Quite possible that things are progressing, all be it slowly, and I never thought things wouldn't.

Companies House site still notes the Chris Stewart company using the property as security, so things ain't moved that far.

The planning application for the temporary nursery is still under consideration with the planners ,although a building warrant application has now been submitted. Bruno seemed to think it was all built ready for tots to move into.

The safety work at North British Distillery on which all progress hinges is still at the planning stage.

[jacomo]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budge-fans-can-bring-even-more-success-to-hearts-1-4263162

I think Hearts fans can safely presume their direct debits are wanted down Gorgie way.

It's November tomorrow. This is the month that work is scheduled to start. Are you ready Budgie?

[Gmack7]

Any idea how the work in the wheatfield undercroft is progressing,?

[greenginger]

Any idea how the work in the wheatfield undercroft is progressing,?


There was a truckload of plasterboard being unloaded last week so I guess progress is being made.

However, they still don't have a building warrant for the work. No idea why its not been issued, it was applied for in March.

[mca]

Who's Transco? There's no such a company anymore!


Something appears to have changed.

Order to terminate gas supply prior to said building being demolished has been processed by Transco.


Transco were appointed to Turn Off the Calor gas heater..

[Geo_1875]

I believe they've started on the nursery.
17578

[greenginger]

Looking forward to seeing the price the council got for their property, how it was tendered to ensure best value and what all the other bids were.

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The Council have agreed a price of £ 260,000 with the Yams for the Adult Training Centre (ATC) and the Nursery sites which amount to about 3600 square metres.

file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/My%20Documents/Downloads/Item_7.7___Tynecastle_Nursery.pdf

I would guess they will pay about £ 500,000 for the Chris Stewart Group owned offices ( They paid 399,000 Euros for them ).
They measure about 1200 square metres.

Standard Council treatment for them I suppose, asked to pay half the price for land three times the size.

[Bostonhibby]

The Council have agreed a price of £ 260,000 with the Yams for the Adult Training Centre (ATC) and the Nursery sites which amount to about 3600 square metres.

file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/My%20Documents/Downloads/Item_7.7___Tynecastle_Nursery.pdf

I would guess they will pay about £ 500,000 for the Chris Stewart Group owned offices ( They paid 399,000 Euros for them ).
They measure about 1200 square metres.

Standard Council treatment for them I suppose, asked to pay half the price for land three times the size.
Don't know why I am asking, but is there any chance the council looked at the possibility of getting more money for the benefit of all the city's taxpayers by looking for a wider range of interesting parties?

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[MrSmith]

Don't know why I am asking, but is there any chance the council looked at the possibility of getting more money for the benefit of all the city's taxpayers by looking for a wider range of interesting parties?

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Nah, they only do that to hibs! I guess though, STF will be looking in with interest.

[flash]

Something appears to have changed.

Order to terminate gas supply prior to said building being demolished has been processed by Transco.

More likely because the bills not been paid.

[Kato]

Don't know why I am asking, but is there any chance the council looked at the possibility of getting more money for the benefit of all the city's taxpayers by looking for a wider range of interesting parties?

What? Like they did with the Lochend Butterfly?

Have a guess.....

[Fife-Hibee]

What? Like they did with the Lochend Butterfly?

Have a guess.....

Is that not some kind of breach ?

[Kato]

Is that not some kind of breach ?

What they did re-the Lochend Butterfly was subsequently shown to be illegal. Nothing done about that. What they are doing now could well be also illegal (I don't know) but who is going to stop them if it is?

[Fife-Hibee]

What they did re-the Lochend Butterfly was subsequently shown to be illegal. Nothing done about that. What they are doing now could well be also illegal (I don't know) but who is going to stop them if it is?

Yeah I know what you mean' it's ****ing sickening 😡

[southsider]

Is it not the case that whatever stand they throw up their ground will never be UEFA compliant (unlike ours) ?

[greenginger]

What they did re-the Lochend Butterfly was subsequently shown to be illegal. Nothing done about that. What they are doing now could well be also illegal (I don't know) but who is going to stop them if it is?


I think the Council's behavior towards us when we were planning the new West Stand was even more disgusting.

The Council were selling off surplus to requirements Norton Park School and Hibs approached them with a view to buying a fifteen foot wide strip of the playground to accommodate the extra width of the new stand.

The Council Refused point blank to deal with our Club and sold the school and whole playground to the Albion Equity Ltd . Fortunately Hibs were able to strike a deal with the Trust and the new stand was was built. We had to pay way over the odds for the little strip of land.

[Bostonhibby]

I think the Council's behavior towards us when we were planning the new West Stand was even more disgusting.

The Council were selling off surplus to requirements Norton Park School and Hibs approached them with a view to buying a fifteen foot wide strip of the playground to accommodate the extra width of the new stand.

The Council Refused point blank to deal with our Club and sold the school and whole playground to the Albion Equity Ltd . Fortunately Hibs were able to strike a deal with the Trust and the new stand was was built. We had to pay way over the odds for the little strip of land.
And there you have it, your city council in action[emoji6]

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[Kato]

I think the Council's behavior towards us when we were planning the new West Stand was even more disgusting.

The Council were selling off surplus to requirements Norton Park School and Hibs approached them with a view to buying a fifteen foot wide strip of the playground to accommodate the extra width of the new stand.

The Council Refused point blank to deal with our Club and sold the school and whole playground to the Albion Equity Ltd . Fortunately Hibs were able to strike a deal with the Trust and the new stand was was built. We had to pay way over the odds for the little strip of land.

Add to that a point blank refusal to work with Hibs developing Hunters Hall which is why our training grounds (paid for, not rented) is an area outwith EC control.

Sometimes I don't quite get people who say some Hibs fans are paranoid about our dealings with EC. They really are quite transparent in who they favour.

[greenginger]

Just drove down Mcleod Street and see security fences have been erected around the Council properties the Yams rent and use as a shop and ticket office.

Signs on the fences say Demolition by Daltons , and a couple of Dalton vans in the car park.

I think it will have to be made clear to the demolishers which slums are to be pulled down as its not exactly clear on first glance. :greengrin

[scoopyboy]

Just drove down Mcleod Street and see security fences have been erected around the Council properties the Yams rent and use as a shop and ticket office.

Signs on the fences say Demolition by Daltons , and a couple of Dalton vans in the car park.

I think it will have to be made clear to the demolishers which slums are to be pulled down as its not exactly clear on first glance. :greengrin

What a hoot it would be if they pulled down the Roseburn by mistake.

[Moulin Yarns]

What a hoot it would be if they pulled down the Roseburn by mistake.

Pulling down the Roseburn wouldn't be a mistake (IMHO):wink:

[JT Fae The Toon]

Just drove down Mcleod Street and see security fences have been erected around the Council properties the Yams rent and use as a shop and ticket office.

Signs on the fences say Demolition by Daltons , and a couple of Dalton vans in the car park.

I think it will have to be made clear to the demolishers which slums are to be pulled down as its not exactly clear on first glance. :greengrin
As a matter of interest, which building is owned by Chris Stewart Group?

[greenginger]

As a matter of interest, which building is owned by Chris Stewart Group?

Its the stone fronted office block. He got it as part of the deal for Vlad's St Andrew Square pipedream.

[JT Fae The Toon]

Its the stone fronted office block. He got it as part of the deal for Vlad's St Andrew Square pipedream.

Thanks. So that's the old Admin building & I think FoH use it on match days. Is that remaining?

[greenginger]

Thanks. So that's the old Admin building & I think FoH use it on match days. Is that remaining?


No, the footplate of the new stand is right on top of the building and the space is also required for exiting.

[brog]

What a hoot it would be if they pulled down the Roseburn by mistake.


As Dorothy Parker said when Calvin Coolidge died, ' however did they notice'?

[jacomo]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ready-go-to-work-on-tynecastle-s-new-main-stand-1-4287392

Fatty Foulkes slavering about the redevelopment today.

“I was also talking to Eric Hogg [Hearts director] about the plans they have for facilities. There will be informal catering, a supporters’ bar and other things. Once the whole thing is complete, Hearts will have a stadium fit for the 21st Century with all the facilities you see in the best of European stadia. That’s what a club like Hearts and their supporters deserves. The fans have been so dedicated through Foundation of Hearts and they deserve this payback. They deserve a stadium up to European standards.”

Shame the Jambos aren't going to get a stadium up to European standards then, as it won't be able to host UEFA matches.

[Deansy]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ready-go-to-work-on-tynecastle-s-new-main-stand-1-4287392

Fatty Foulkes slavering about the redevelopment today.

“I was also talking to Eric Hogg [Hearts director] about the plans they have for facilities. There will be informal catering, a supporters’ bar and other things. Once the whole thing is complete, Hearts will have a stadium fit for the 21st Century with all the facilities you see in the best of European stadia. That’s what a club like Hearts and their supporters deserves. The fans have been so dedicated through Foundation of Hearts and they deserve this payback. They deserve a stadium up to European standards.”

Shame the Jambos aren't going to get a stadium up to European standards then, as it won't be able to host UEFA matches.


'Credit to City of Edinburgh Council for approving the plans so quickly. They did very well on that front'

What, the council bending-over for their sex-offender employing, other people's-money using chums in the PBS - Shock-horror !!

[JDHibs]

"Once the whole thing is complete, Hearts will have a stadium fit for the 21st Century with all the facilities you see in the best of European stadia."

Except a Stadia fit for European games...

[Bostonhibby]

Surely the good Lord foulkes really means "we should have one new stand if it's built"?

21st century? Even the yams can't believe that one?

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[Carheenlea]

They like to lay claim to being the third biggest club in Scotland, soon they can lay claim to having the third best stadium in Edinburgh.

[KeithTheHibby]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ready-go-to-work-on-tynecastle-s-new-main-stand-1-4287392

Fatty Foulkes slavering about the redevelopment today.

“I was also talking to Eric Hogg [Hearts director] about the plans they have for facilities. There will be informal catering, a supporters’ bar and other things. Once the whole thing is complete, Hearts will have a stadium fit for the 21st Century with all the facilities you see in the best of European stadia. That’s what a club like Hearts and their supporters deserves. The fans have been so dedicated through Foundation of Hearts and they deserve this payback. They deserve a stadium up to European standards.”

Shame the Jambos aren't going to get a stadium up to European standards then, as it won't be able to host UEFA matches.

What a fat slavouring pish stained jakey ****. Has he not seen the other 3 bus shelters? ****ing half baked moron.

[nellio]

Total capacity up to 20,099. That will sicken them, I'm sure easter road is closer to 20,500. Anyone care to confirm our capacity?

[Waxy]

They like to lay claim to being the third biggest club in Scotland, soon they can lay claim to having the third best stadium in Edinburgh.
They can do that right now. Unless meadowbank........?

[Highland_Hibee]

Total capacity up to 20,099. That will sicken them, I'm sure easter road is closer to 20,500. Anyone care to confirm our capacity?

20,421 but that one seat often goes missing depending on your source. I wonder who's it is?


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[southsider]

Total capacity up to 20,099. That will sicken them, I'm sure easter road is closer to 20,500. Anyone care to confirm our capacity?
Wikipedia saying 20,421. And UEFA compliant.

[northstandhibby]

Wikipedia saying 20,421. And UEFA compliant.

That must be a real sickener for the yams.

Okay they're getting a brand new main stand which I think is not as good as our own two tier one but to have a pitch that is not fit for purpose is ridiculous.

Surely at some point the sfa must state all spfl pitches should be UEFA compliant.

:giruy2:

[jacomo]

Wikipedia saying 20,421. And UEFA compliant.

Big enough, then.

:wink:

[greenginger]

'Credit to City of Edinburgh Council for approving the plans so quickly. They did very well on that front'

What, the council bending-over for their sex-offender employing, other people's-money using chums in the PBS - Shock-horror !!


Only problem , very little has actually been approved by the Council.

The planning permission for the new stand won't be issued until North British Distillers complete the safety improvements. This work is awaiting planning permission, ( application ref 16/04554 ) . The application page contains a letter from the HSE saying it will take a minimum of 13 weeks to assess the proposals and give their opinions to our Council. Then NB Distillers will apply for a building warrant, then they will get contractors to price the work.

After it has been completed to eveyone's satisfaction, planning permission will be issued.

As for the work under the Wheatfield Stand, its well ahead, but there has been no Building Warrant issued for this work.

[lucky]

Im delighted they are finally completing their ground. It's been a eye sore for years. At least for this stand they are paying for it themselves. It's just a shame it's not UFEA compliant but they could always rent Edinburghs biggest football stadium

[WhileTheChief..]

Regarding this UEFA compliant thing, does this only apply if you get into the group stages?

I'm assuming so as they played that Maltese team earlier this year.

If so, doubt they will ever have to worry about it!!

[greenginger]

Regarding this UEFA compliant thing, does this only apply if you get into the group stages?

I'm assuming so as they played that Maltese team earlier this year.

If so, doubt they will ever have to worry about it!!


You must have a category 3 or 4 pitch ( 105 x 68 metres ) for 3rd qualifying round and knock-out round as well as group stages.

Category 1 and 2 pitches ( 100 x 64 metres ) are ok for 1st and 2nd qualifying rounds.

The PBS pitch is listed as 107 yards which is 97.84 metres so it really does not qualify as the lowest category.

Funny you will never hear any fawning jurno's asking Budge or Potter about it when they bang on about their fully UEFA compliant stadium.

[jgl07]

You must have a category 3 or 4 pitch ( 105 x 68 metres ) for 3rd qualifying round and knock-out round as well as group stages.

Category 1 and 2 pitches ( 100 x 64 metres ) are ok for 1st and 2nd qualifying rounds.

The PBS pitch is listed as 107 yards which is 97.84 metres so it really does not qualify as the lowest category.

Funny you will never hear any fawning jurno's asking Budge or Potter about it when they bang on about their fully UEFA compliant stadium.
I think you can get away with it in the Third Qualifying Round but not in the Play-Off Round or the Group and Knock-out stages.

[JT Fae The Toon]

You must have a category 3 or 4 pitch ( 105 x 68 metres ) for 3rd qualifying round and knock-out round as well as group stages.

Category 1 and 2 pitches ( 100 x 64 metres ) are ok for 1st and 2nd qualifying rounds.

The PBS pitch is listed as 107 yards which is 97.84 metres so it really does not qualify as the lowest category.

Funny you will never hear any fawning jurno's asking Budge or Potter about it when they bang on about their fully UEFA compliant stadium.

Hearts can apply for dispensation to UEFA, which obviously happened this year as we played 2 rounds at Tynecastle.

[Ozyhibby]

Hearts can apply for dispensation to UEFA, which obviously happened this year as we played 2 rounds at Tynecastle.

No qualifying round though?


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[NAE NOOKIE]

You must have a category 3 or 4 pitch ( 105 x 68 metres ) for 3rd qualifying round and knock-out round as well as group stages.

Category 1 and 2 pitches ( 100 x 64 metres ) are ok for 1st and 2nd qualifying rounds.

The PBS pitch is listed as 107 yards which is 97.84 metres so it really does not qualify as the lowest category.

Funny you will never hear any fawning jurno's asking Budge or Potter about it when they bang on about their fully UEFA compliant stadium.

When will folk get it .... As fatty Foulkes points out in the Scotsman article Hearts get their way because they are an Edinburgh 'nay Scottish' institution, as a result the rules don't apply to them they same as they do to the rest of us, as soon as UEFA realise that their postage stamp pitch will get special dispensation ... in fact don't be surprised if the PBS hosts the champions league final in the next few years.

[WhileTheChief..]

There must be a way around this for hearts.

They wouldn't be cracking on if they thought they wouldn't be able to host Europa League games so either they'll lengthen the pitch if possible or I guess they just apple to UEFA when required.

[tamig]

There must be a way around this for hearts.

They wouldn't be cracking on if they thought they wouldn't be able to host Europa League games so either they'll lengthen the pitch if possible or I guess they just apple to UEFA when required.
They can't lengthen the pitch without demolishing the three "new" stands. The pink towers prevent that.

[greenginger]

Hearts can apply for dispensation to UEFA, which obviously happened this year as we played 2 rounds at Tynecastle.


They may well have asked and got dispensation , but what is the point of regs if there is going to be permanent dispensation.

Of course , maybe the UEFA boffins think a yard is the same as a metre.

[WhileTheChief..]

You need to take into account that these guidelines cover the whole of Europe.

There are plenty east European countries where clubs basically play in a field. I guess these are minimum standards in case they ever qualify kinda like some of our lower league clubs.

Hearts at least have a stadium. Sort of.

[Bostonhibby]

Hearts can apply for dispensation to UEFA, which obviously happened this year as we played 2 rounds at Tynecastle.

Is there maybe one of those "special relationships" that might help out here?

[scoopyboy]

Only problem , very little has actually been approved by the Council.

The planning permission for the new stand won't be issued until North British Distillers complete the safety improvements. This work is awaiting planning permission, ( application ref 16/04554 ) . The application page contains a letter from the HSE saying it will take a minimum of 13 weeks to assess the proposals and give their opinions to our Council. Then NB Distillers will apply for a building warrant, then they will get contractors to price the work.

After it has been completed to eveyone's satisfaction, planning permission will be issued.

As for the work under the Wheatfield Stand, its well ahead, but there has been no Building Warrant issued for this work.

Is it legal to build without a building warrant?

[Kato]

Is it legal to build without a building warrant?


Probably. Sit back and watch nowt happen about it.

[squire]

They'll be proceeding at their own risk without the Building Warrant. Worst case scenario for the Jambos is Building Control aren't happy and tell them to reinstate everything. That would be absolute hilarious!

[GreenLake]

There must be a way around this for hearts.

They wouldn't be cracking on if they thought they wouldn't be able to host Europa League games so either they'll lengthen the pitch if possible or I guess they just apple to UEFA when required.

From what was alleged about Platini I think UEFA will want more than an apple.

[Aldo]

Hearts can apply for dispensation to UEFA, which obviously happened this year as we played 2 rounds at Tynecastle.

Everything about the club requires folk to 'help them out'.

Help with training facilities
Help from council to help push the plans through and sell ground to them
Help from UEFA to play games when a new stand is built because there is not enough space for a big enough pitch.
Help to pay bills.... no wait that didn't happen did it.

We have paid for
Our own stadium.... which is Fifa Grade 2
Own training facility paid for by ourselves
Paid our way and paid our bills.

Simple factor is your team are always looking for help rather than doing things the proper way!




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[Waxy]

Is it legal to build without a building warrant?

Nothing a brown envelope wouldnt solve.

[Aldo]

They'll be proceeding at their own risk without the Building Warrant. Worst case scenario for the Jambos is Building Control aren't happy and tell them to reinstate everything. That would be absolute hilarious!

You honestly think ECC will make them reinstate it. Not a chance. They think they are untouchable.

It would however be very funny but won't happen!


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[GreenCastle]

Not a jealous hobo..just a Scottish Cup winning Hibs fan..

How was the funding gap was reached ?

What's happening to the nursery kids when their place is demolished before Xmas ?

Is this value for money - few thousand extra seats for quite a few millions.

I find it out they would spend so much and not fix the smallest pitch in the SPFL - even their own fans think it hinders their play at home.

[Eyrie]

They may well have asked and got dispensation , but what is the point of regs if there is going to be permanent dispensation.

Of course , maybe the UEFA boffins think a yard is the same as a metre.

Or Hearts just gave the numbers and missed out the unit of measurement.

Or they exaggerated the size of the pitch, like they do with crowds.

[Famous Fiver]

Budgie will no doubt fill the funding gap for them in the short term and screw the FOH contributors for another £3 Mill at 6.2%, thereby putting fan ownership back at least another 5 years. Fan ownership my erkie.

Mad Vlad only ran away with the shareholders cash, he wasn't smart enough to charge them interest on top.

Gaun yersel' Budgie, yer playing a blinder!!

[Sergey]

Only problem , very little has actually been approved by the Council.

The planning permission for the new stand won't be issued until North British Distillers complete the safety improvements. This work is awaiting planning permission, ( application ref 16/04554 ) . The application page contains a letter from the HSE saying it will take a minimum of 13 weeks to assess the proposals and give their opinions to our Council. Then NB Distillers will apply for a building warrant, then they will get contractors to price the work.

After it has been completed to eveyone's satisfaction, planning permission will be issued.

As for the work under the Wheatfield Stand, its well ahead, but there has been no Building Warrant issued for this work.

:not worth

Brilliant, GG. Wasn't the start of the new-build scheduled for this month :hmmm:

[jacomo]

Hearts can apply for dispensation to UEFA, which obviously happened this year as we played 2 rounds at Tynecastle.

All big teams beg UEFA to be allowed to play their home ties at home.

:faf:

[southern hibby]

What gets me, If I remember correctly Hearts played in Europe and moaned like hell about some stadium they went to because the goals were smaller than they should have been.

Now in the matter of fairness I think whoever plays them in Europe should return fire and give it to them tight about size of pitch.

GGTTH

[Bostonhibby]

When will folk get it .... As fatty Foulkes points out in the Scotsman article Hearts get their way because they are an Edinburgh 'nay Scottish' institution, as a result the rules don't apply to them they same as they do to the rest of us, as soon as UEFA realise that their postage stamp pitch will get special dispensation ... in fact don't be surprised if the PBS hosts the champions league final in the next few years.

Anything is possible when a pillar of Scottish politics is involved.

http://georgefoulkes.blogspot.co.uk/

[greenginger]

Is it legal to build without a building warrant?


They have not submitted a " Notice of Initiation of Development " form.

The form gives details of the Planning Permission and Building Warrant ref and more importantly details of the main contractor and name of site agent and contact numbers.

Starting work without submitting the Notice is listed on the planning consent notes as a breach of Planning Law, Section 123 (1) of the Town and Country Planning Act.


But, according to them the new lot are nothing like Vlad and his Liths.

[Kato]

EEN Comments summary.

"The executive boxes don't face the pitch."

"You're a jealous, Hobo."

"The pitch isn't EUFA compliant."

"You're a jealous, Hobo."

"The capacity at ER is higher."

"You're a jealous, Hobo and Hibs are on the verge of admin...."

[...on and on, and on]

[Bostonhibby]

EEN Comments summary.

"The executive boxes don't face the pitch."

"You're a jealous, Hobo."

"The pitch isn't EUFA compliant."

"You're a jealous, Hobo."

"The capacity at ER is higher."

"You're a jealous, Hobo and Hibs are on the verge of admin...."

[...on and on, and on]
I don't think any of these dull sounding no life mummy's boys that post actually exist. They're all Barry Anderson and his made up friends.



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[SuperAllyMcleod]

EEN Comments summary.

"The executive boxes don't face the pitch."

"You're a jealous, Hobo."

"The pitch isn't EUFA compliant."

"You're a jealous, Hobo."

"The capacity at ER is higher."

"You're a jealous, Hobo and Hibs are on the verge of admin...."

[...on and on, and on]

Jealous of what exactly? The place is a tip and in a years time it will still be a tip, albeit with one stand less of a tip than the rest.

[JT Fae The Toon]

Sorry to disappoint you Bruno but your information is incorrect.

The Chris Stewart company ( SC 480719 ) which holds title to the offices Hearts are renting and are still being used as security by the company for a loan they have from PSSF Sterling B.V.
If Mrs Budge has bought the offices the loan would have been repaid and the Security noted as " satisfied ". Company House still notes the security as " unsatisfied "

The Council planning website has an application number 16/04704 for temporary nursery accommodation to be located on Hearts property in Wheatfield Street. The application is noted as " awaiting assessment " by the planners, and a decision is some weeks away. Then a building warrant will be required, and then work can start on constructing the temporary nursery .
After that is complete the Gorgie sprogs can moved from behind the stand and work could start on the demolition , that's if they have agreed a price with Council for the property .

The building you refer to here has been demolished.

[greenginger]

The building you refer to here has been demolished.

Just drove down Mcleod Street this morning and the building is still there. A small outshoot at the back has been pulled down.

Also, as of this morning , the Chris Stewart Group is still using the property ( Land Registry No. 101939 ) as security for the companies borrowings.

Now, it could be that the deal has been concluded in the last few days as it takes a week or so for Companies House to be notified of the satisfaction of a charge. However since Mrs Budge claimed she had bought the building 12 months ago, you will understand my scepticism .

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Have they decided on a name for this new stand? I feel it's only fair to name it after the woman who made it possible - I give you - "The Budget Stand ".

[Billy Whizz]

Have they decided on a name for this new stand? I feel it's only fair to name it after the woman who made it possible - I give you - "The Budget Stand ".

Like it

[Famous Fiver]

Craw's nest?

[Brunswickbill]

Have they decided on a name for this new stand? I feel it's only fair to name it after the woman who made it possible - I give you - "The Budget Stand ".

The Budgie Cage?

[Gmack7]

The Budgie Cage?

More like the bottom of budgies cage

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

The Thieving Magpie?

[Keith_M]

This thread made me think of some stadium rebuild proposals that never came to fruition (although I think hearts will rebuild their stand).


For instance, this was the proposal for Firhill, in the mid 90s. TBF, they actually did do the East Stand according to plan...


http://i13.tinypic.com/2r55jme.jpg

[jgl07]

The Budgie Cage?

La Budgie Cage aux Folles?

Only because of the pink ambience of the place!

[Criswell]

"Executive Boxes that don't face the pitch." I never thought that old joke would become a reality!

[Eyrie]

"Executive Boxes that don't face the pitch." I never thought that old joke would become a reality!

It's a plus point when marketing those boxes.

[JT Fae The Toon]

Just drove down Mcleod Street this morning and the building is still there. A small outshoot at the back has been pulled down.

Also, as of this morning , the Chris Stewart Group is still using the property ( Land Registry No. 101939 ) as security for the companies borrowings.

Now, it could be that the deal has been concluded in the last few days as it takes a week or so for Companies House to be notified of the satisfaction of a charge. However since Mrs Budge claimed she had bought the building 12 months ago, you will understand my scepticism .

Demolished on Facebook this morning.

[greenginger]

Demolished on Facebook this morning.


Progress then ! any sign of a building warrant for the construction work being carried out to form the accommodation under the Wheatfield Stand ?

[JT Fae The Toon]

Progress then ! any sign of a building warrant for the construction work being carried out to form the accommodation under the Wheatfield Stand ?

I wouldn't worry about it. The shop & Ticket Office have already relocated into the Wheatfield Stand.

[Kato]

I wouldn't worry about it. The shop & Ticket Office have already relocated into the Wheatfield Stand.

No doubt you aren't worried about it. No one on here is worried about it either. The only reason these things are highlighted is to show the difference in how your club is treated by the council compared to ours.

[greenginger]

I wouldn't worry about it. The shop & Ticket Office have already relocated into the Wheatfield Stand.

So , they are occupying a building that does not even have a warrant to start construction, never mind a completion certificate .

Insurance ?

[scoopyboy]

So , they are occupying a building that does not even have a warrant to start construction, never mind a completion certificate .

Insurance ?

Any accident happening in there and HSE will be all over it like a rash and if it is a bad one then Digby Brown could be having a field day with HMFC.

[Jack Hackett]

I wouldn't worry about it. The shop & Ticket Office have already relocated into the Wheatfield Stand.

Not worrying about it is exactly the attitude that saw your club come a baw hair from extinction.

[JT Fae The Toon]

So , they are occupying a building that does not even have a warrant to start construction, never mind a completion certificate .

Insurance ?

I think you're possibly not getting the latest up to date information. The building that you told us was owned by some 3rd party has just been flattened. I doubt Ann Budge would do something as reckless as destroying someone else's property.

[Kato]

I think you're possibly not getting the latest up to date information. The building that you told us was owned by some 3rd party has just been flattened. I doubt Ann Budge would do something as reckless as destroying someone else's property.

I'm sure you'll understand if we take anything Hearts owners do or don't do with a pinch of salt. I understand that you, as a Hearts fan, don't question anything, ever.

[Bostonhibby]

So , they are occupying a building that does not even have a warrant to start construction, never mind a completion certificate .

Insurance ?
The insurance won't be effective if the reality hasn't been disclosed. If they have insurance and if reality is part of the way they do their business.

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[Fife-Hibee]

Any accident happening in there and HSE will be all over it like a rash and if it is a bad one then Digby Brown could be having a field day with HMFC.

Ach!! They just wouldn't bother paying it !! Simples !!

[Turkish Green]

So , they are occupying a building that does not even have a warrant to start construction, never mind a completion certificate .

Insurance ?

Insurance(s), indeed. I am making an assumption here, but in normal construction contracts of this sort, work (i.e. demolition) cannot start until valid insurances (workers compensation, plant & equipment, etc.) are in place. Again, I assume that they have appointed a main contractor for this work, that will be responsible for putting all permits/guarantees in place before the work starts.

It would be nice to think that there will be glitches that will hold up the construction work, especially when they intend to use the main stand (weakened structure) during the construction phase, but I just do not see it happening.

[Springbank]

Hi, my name is Allisbarry and here's my totally unbiased review of the year, written in Gorgie, and sponsored by Mita...

2016 for Hearts vs 2016 for Hibs

Scottish Cup - excellent for Hearts, acceptable for Hibs
(1) plucky Hearts forced a replay by taking a 2 goal cushion into the last 9 minutes, seeing out a 2-2 draw which Robbie Neilson noted would be "moneyspinning"
(2) Hibs beat Hearts in the replay, knocked out the holders away, won the semi on pens, and beat West of Scotland FC and their security guard fans in the final.

League Cup - excellent for Hearts, acceptable for Hibs
(1) plucky Hearts extended their run to 55 years of failure in this competition, but this bad news was overshadowed by the fact Tynecastle - "the most atmospheric ground in the Galaxy" - recorded its highest attendance since 1994. This was for Hibernian vs St Johnstone in the semis in January 2016. GIRUY Hibees, eh!
(2) Hibs handed Hearts the record Tynecastle crowd in the 1994-2016 era (from the 3 new stands going up to before the deathtrap stand is destroyed), got to another final at Hampden, were the better team, but narrowly lost.

Europe - excellent for Hearts, acceptable for Hibs
(1) Hearts had a mouthwatering 2 teams to play in Europe, beating Tallinn (despite being booed off at Tynescatle) then losing to up and coming Maltese Giants Birkirkara. The fact that one of the games was at a ground called Hibernians Stadium confused Robbie Neilson, who hailed it as a "moneyspinning tie", when asked if it was Hearts most embarrassing night in Europe.
(2) Hibs beat Brondby 1-0 away only to go out on penalties. The best Scottish result in the Europa League this year by a distance.

Celeb fans -
(1) Ronnie Corbett will be sadly missed, Lord George Foulkes is sadly still with us (anyone got air freshener handy, no reason...)
(2) Andy Murray world #1, Jamie Murray world #1 (both delighted to be pictured with the Scottish Cup this year)

Stadium -
(1) Hearts will soon have the third biggest stadium in Edinburgh, with executive boxes that face a static tourist attraction (the castle) rather than the pitch. GIRUY Hibees!
(2) Hibs' Easter Road played host to an international fixture as Scotland beat Oman, as well as hosting Danish giants Brondby in the Europa League & getting a harp on the main stand, bringing the hoodoo to an end

so, all in all, a great year for Hearts, a poor to average one for Hibs.
#allisbarry

[surreyhibbie]

I will be happy to settle for the same level of mediocrity this season. Maybe a promotion to liven things up.

Forever in their shadow eh?

[Bostonhibby]

Hi, my name is Allisbarry and here's my totally unbiased review of the year, written in Gorgie, and sponsored by Mita...

2016 for Hearts vs 2016 for Hibs

Scottish Cup - excellent for Hearts, acceptable for Hibs
(1) plucky Hearts forced a replay by taking a 2 goal cushion into the last 9 minutes, seeing out a 2-2 draw which Robbie Neilson noted would be "moneyspinning"
(2) Hibs beat Hearts in the replay, knocked out the holders away, won the semi on pens, and beat West of Scotland FC and their security guard fans in the final.

League Cup - excellent for Hearts, acceptable for Hibs
(1) plucky Hearts extended their run to 55 years of failure in this competition, but this bad news was overshadowed by the fact Tynecastle - "the most atmospheric ground in the Galaxy" - recorded its highest attendance since 1994. This was for Hibernian vs St Johnstone in the semis in January 2016. GIRUY Hibees, eh!
(2) Hibs handed Hearts the record Tynecastle crowd in the 1994-2016 era (from the 3 new stands going up to before the deathtrap stand is destroyed), got to another final at Hampden, were the better team, but narrowly lost.

Europe - excellent for Hearts, acceptable for Hibs
(1) Hearts had a mouthwatering 2 teams to play in Europe, beating Tallinn (despite being booed off at Tynescatle) then losing to up and coming Maltese Giants Birkirkara. The fact that one of the games was at a ground called Hibernians Stadium confused Robbie Neilson, who hailed it as a "moneyspinning tie", when asked if it was Hearts most embarrassing night in Europe.
(2) Hibs beat Brondby 1-0 away only to go out on penalties. The best Scottish result in the Europa League this year by a distance.

Celeb fans -
(1) Ronnie Corbett will be sadly missed, Lord George Foulkes is sadly still with us (anyone got air freshener handy, no reason...)
(2) Andy Murray world #1, Jamie Murray world #1 (both delighted to be pictured with the Scottish Cup this year)

Stadium -
(1) Hearts will soon have the third biggest stadium in Edinburgh, with executive boxes that face a static tourist attraction (the castle) rather than the pitch. GIRUY Hibees!
(2) Hibs' Easter Road played host to an international fixture as Scotland beat Oman, as well as hosting Danish giants Brondby in the Europa League & getting a harp on the main stand, bringing the hoodoo to an end

so, all in all, a great year for Hearts, a poor to average one for Hibs.
#allisbarry

:greengrin:top marks

You might (?) have thought it worth mentioning that Hibs fans elected to take up STF offer to buy as much or as little as they want of their club, at cost to him and zero percent interest rate to the fans whereas the maroon balloons were delighted to negotiate Mrs budge down to just the 6.5% charge for the only loan in town and they still have zero shares.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

(1) Hearts will soon have the third biggest stadium in Edinburgh, with executive boxes that face a static tourist attraction (the castle) rather than the pitch.

I'm getting a bit fed up with this - they already have the third biggest stadium in Edinburgh - this is not a new achievement! [emoji3]

[Bostonhibby]

I'm getting a bit fed up with this - they already have the third biggest stadium in Edinburgh - this is not a new achievement! [emoji3]

Smallest (non EUFA compliant) Football pitch as well, they could claim that they also have a "unique" pitch. Probably call it atmospheric and historic as well...............

[Aldo]

I think you're possibly not getting the latest up to date information. The building that you told us was owned by some 3rd party has just been flattened. I doubt Ann Budge would do something as reckless as destroying someone else's property.

I wouldn't trust anything anyone associated with that club said.

Bearing in mind everything the club with no shame has done in recent years with false promises to local businesses and charities they must feel they are untouchable when it comes to such a menial thing as a building warrant/insurance etc.

The only good thing about this building is that it'll be less of a death trap than the one currently in place.

For a supposed 'big club' that building is a total and utter embarrassment.

O and if you didn't already realise I fin like our lesser rivals in the west of the city


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[greenginger]

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5527

According to the Hearts website, tickets and club store junk is available online only.

The Wheatfield Stand undercroft is not yet open to the public, so my query about insurance goes away. I was meaning public liability insurance if the shop and ticket office was opened without a completion certificate or even a partial completion certificate.

[JT Fae The Toon]

Don't tell me you're now getting your inside info from the official Heart of Midlothian website?

Surely not?

[hibs0666]

Don't tell me you're now getting your inside info from the official Heart of Midlothian website?

Surely not?

But what about the poppy money?

[StevieCowan]

This thread is more than cringey to be honest.

Hearts are building a new stand and it's a "Welcome to the read world of balancing the books" from me. Nothing more or less.


Our club needs to concentrate on promotion this season and holding onto the 11.5K ST holders. If this can be done, and with the infrastructure all bought and paid, then our playing budget should be above any other club bar the OF. That's the reality of the situation.

[.Sean.]

24 pages dissecting the new tin can that's getting thrown up at Tynecastle, and we call them obsessed. Honestly who gives a ****? They're building a stand, whoopedydoo, get over it.

It'll remain a toilet, populated by ****s, situated in a complete and utter *****hole and still won't be the biggest or the best stadium in the city.

Excuse me if I'm no getting a throbber over it. **** Hearts :giruy2:

[Gmack7]

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5527

According to the Hearts website, tickets and club store junk is available online only.

The Wheatfield Stand undercroft is not yet open to the public, so my query about insurance goes away. I was meaning public liability insurance if the shop and ticket office was opened without a completion certificate or even a partial completion certificate.

They are stocking the shop just now and SDG is watching over them😁he's everywhere

[Sergey]

Don't tell me you're now getting your inside info from the official Heart of Midlothian website?

Surely not?

When has greenginger purported that he was getting inside info. Everything he posts is out there in the public domain (if you look for it). You know, Companies House, Council Development Portal, etc. It's not rocket science.

As an aside, hopefully when the old asbestos stand goes, you can drop the 'We won WWI' tosh that you've recently adopted. It's PR spin on the back of a charity you knocked when you went skint.

Stick your stolen poppy tins in your time-capsule.

Lest we forget.

[greenginger]

Don't tell me you're now getting your inside info from the official Heart of Midlothian website?

Surely not?


You are the one who said Hearts had opened their shop and ticket office in the new build under the Wheatfield Stand.

You obviously don't know what's happening at you own club.

And, its not inside info, its what is published on Edinburgh Planning and Building webpage and Companies House web page.

Its all public information if you know where to look, but in the case of many Yams they just preferred to be spoonfed bull***** by Lithuanians than actually look for the truth themselves.

[Kavinho]

24 pages dissecting the new tin can that's getting thrown up at Tynecastle, and we call them obsessed. Honestly who gives a ****? They're building a stand, whoopedydoo, get over it.

It'll remain a toilet, populated by ****s, situated in a complete and utter *****hole and still won't be the biggest or the best stadium in the city.

Excuse me if I'm no getting a throbber over it. **** Hearts :giruy2:


Small point of order that when this thread was on the wain, with an 11 day gap, Hertz man JT went digging down the pages to bump it back up for ongoing discussion. . (Ref the no posts between 20&31 oct).

Anywho, with a "Scottish Institution" well known for unfulfilling promises (to pay), and obtaining somewhat dubious council support, it perhaps does no harm to have a record of developments for prosperity, and future inclusion in the Hearts Museum...

[JT Fae The Toon]

You are the one who said Hearts had opened their shop and ticket office in the new build under the Wheatfield Stand.

You obviously don't know what's happening at you own club.

And, its not inside info, its what is published on Edinburgh Planning and Building webpage and Companies House web page.

Its all public information if you know where to look, but in the case of many Yams they just preferred to be spoonfed bull***** by Lithuanians than actually look for the truth themselves.

I said "relocated" not "reopened".

[WhileTheChief..]

You are the one who said Hearts had opened their shop and ticket office in the new build under the Wheatfield Stand.

You obviously don't know what's happening at you own club.

And, its not inside info, its what is published on Edinburgh Planning and Building webpage and Companies House web page.

Its all public information if you know where to look, but in the case of many Yams they just preferred to be spoonfed bull***** by Lithuanians than actually look for the truth themselves.

At what point are you going to accept that the stand is being built? All this stuff about council websites, insurance, warrants etc is nonsense. None of the previous Lithuanian stuff is relevant, it's completely different people involved now.

You think builders are knocking things down when they don't have permission?? I mean, get real!!

You must be running out of straws to clutch by now?!

[greenginger]

What's your problem ?

This is a thread about the soon to be built Yam stand. If you don't like it there are hundreds of other threads to log on to.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

24 pages dissecting the new tin can that's getting thrown up at Tynecastle, and we call them obsessed. Honestly who gives a ****? They're building a stand, whoopedydoo, get over it.

It'll remain a toilet, populated by ****s, situated in a complete and utter *****hole and still won't be the biggest or the best stadium in the city.

Excuse me if I'm no getting a throbber over it. **** Hearts :giruy2:

That's all very well but can you tell me how to cope with the jealousy that we Hibbies are supposed to be feeling because they are building a Budget Stand? Admittedly it hasn't kicked in yet but I'm assured it will! [emoji4]

[Bishop Hibee]

This thread is brilliant! With every view, the yam roasters fund .net who will give a big fat cheque to the Hibs youth set up :jamboclow

[Kato]

When has greenginger purported that he was getting inside info. Everything he posts is out there in the public domain (if you look for it). You know, Companies House, Council Development Portal, etc. It's not rocket science.


It's the post-truth era, which Hearts practically invented before a name was given to it.

Never mind silly little facts or experts or practical stuff like laws and H&S procedures, it's the "emotional journey" that Hearts are on which matters most and their new stand is a monument to it, like that statue of Vlad they all wanted. Naysayers are traitors or subversives.

[Bostonhibby]

This thread is brilliant! With every view, the yam roasters fund .net who will give a big fat cheque to the Hibs youth set up :jamboclow
Sshhh! Some of us are on commission here[emoji6]

I think we might have got away with it.

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[GreenLake]

There is:

The Rose Bowl
The Orange Bowl
The Sugar Bowl
The Cotton Bowl

and Tynecastle is now known as

The Poppy Bowl

[.Sean.]

There is:

The Rose Bowl
The Orange Bowl
The Sugar Bowl
The Cotton Bowl

and Tynecastle is now known as

The Poppy Bowl
Prefer the Begging Bowl, they've had it out like Oliver Twist for long enough

[ancient hibee]

Stadium of Light (or something that sounds like that).

[greenginger]

Was speaking with a guy tonight who's wee boy attends McLeod Street Nursery and he said the staff and all the kids are being relocated to Dalry Primary School in a couple of weeks time.

This is because the temporary replacement nursery round in Wheatfied Street is not built yet and its spoiling Hearts timetable.

What is it with our Council and that Club.

They sell them a parcel of land ,once valued at £ 1.2 million for a pittance. They turn a blind eye to a Tram Contribution for the new stand development and allow work to progress without a building warrant.

Now, because the nursery school is holding things up the kids get shipped out to some primary school half a mile away rather telling the Yams that the kids pre-school education is more important than a thieving football club.

[Gmack7]

Was speaking with a guy tonight who's wee boy attends McLeod Street Nursery and he said the staff and all the kids are being relocated to Dalry Primary School in a couple of weeks time.

This is because the temporary replacement nursery round in Wheatfied Street is not built yet and its spoiling Hearts timetable.

What is it with our Council and that Club.

They sell them a parcel of land ,once valued at £ 1.2 million for a pittance. They turn a blind eye to a Tram Contribution for the new stand development and allow work to progress without a building warrant.

Now, because the nursery school is holding things up the kids get shipped out to some primary school half a mile away rather telling the Yams that the kids pre-school education is more important than a thieving football club.
I'm sure the temporary nursery is portokabins in the corner of the car park, they're not in position yet, I don't think they can go there while the wheatfield work is still going on

[majorhibs]

I said "relocated" not "reopened".

This joker gets away with murder on here.


Was speaking with a guy tonight who's wee boy attends McLeod Street Nursery and he said the staff and all the kids are being relocated to Dalry Primary School in a couple of weeks time.

This is because the temporary replacement nursery round in Wheatfied Street is not built yet and its spoiling Hearts timetable.

What is it with our Council and that Club.

They sell them a parcel of land ,once valued at £ 1.2 million for a pittance. They turn a blind eye to a Tram Contribution for the new stand development and allow work to progress without a building warrant.

Now, because the nursery school is holding things up the kids get shipped out to some primary school half a mile away rather telling the Yams that the kids pre-school education is more important than a thieving football club.

They are "entitled" fatty & Scotlands 1 X labour mp etc. Dae anything they want. Always worked before & gettin away with their Mcraes stuff after bumping Lady Haigs Poppy Fund. Who's to stop them now?

[McD]

This joker gets away with murder on here.



They are "entitled" fatty & Scotlands 1 X labour mp etc. Dae anything they want. Always worked before & gettin away with their Mcraes stuff after bumping Lady Haigs Poppy Fund. Who's to stop them now?


Maybe it's just me, but the way they cheapen the McCrae's Battalion by using it for point scoring and oneupmanship sickens and disgusts me.

on Armistice day, the news was on at work for the silence, and when they cut to the Scott monument, there's a reprobate of a hearts fan, not a young person but a woman older than me, holding out a hearts scarf with McCrae's battalion emblazoned across it. Took a lot in me to hold the silence and not make sounds of disgust.

Firstly, these men didn't give their lives for your ****my little club, their sacrifices were for every person then and since of these shores, and certainly not for you to try to score petty points a century later.

secondly, what kind of low down, self serving, bottom feeding group (won't say the club as they may not be behind it) come up with the idea, have these scarves made, and sell them for profit? It's not far from making money off the back of what ALL these men (and women) gave up for our benefit.

Just for any yams looking in, there was young men from Hibs, Raith, and several other clubs who made up McCrae's battalion, not just Hearts players.

[Bostonhibby]

Maybe it's just me, but the way they cheapen the McCrae's Battalion by using it for point scoring and oneupmanship sickens and disgusts me.

on Armistice day, the news was on at work for the silence, and when they cut to the Scott monument, there's a reprobate of a hearts fan, not a young person but a woman older than me, holding out a hearts scarf with McCrae's battalion emblazoned across it. Took a lot in me to hold the silence and not make sounds of disgust.

Firstly, these men didn't give their lives for your ****my little club, their sacrifices were for every person then and since of these shores, and certainly not for you to try to score petty points a century later.

secondly, what kind of low down, self serving, bottom feeding group (won't say the club as they may not be behind it) come up with the idea, have these scarves made, and sell them for profit? It's not far from making money off the back of what ALL these men (and women) gave up for our benefit.

Just for any yams looking in, there was young men from Hibs, Raith, and several other clubs who made up McCrae's battalion, not just Hearts players.
Agree everything you say. The only truly unique claim they can make here is that the hearts of today are the only football club to have undergone the humiliation of having to admit in their own creditors list that they somehow denied the trust it's funds.

Lest they forget.

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[NAE NOOKIE]

Apologies for bumping this thread ..... but for this bit of comedy gold I just had to :faf: There's even Yams asking why the two end stands have angles at the corners and calling it a design flaw :faf: ....... They are overjoyed that the outside of the new stand is going to be a windae cleaners wet dream, I hope the poor bugger remembers to get paid up front :greengrin

Posted 24 November 2016 - 01:30 PM
That's the point I was trying to make our stands apart from the relic are all better than Easter Roads no doubt but their stadium has a more finished look to it whilst ours sort off looks like we've done the gorgie wheatfield and roseburn but still have the main stand to go?

[where'stheslope]

Maybe it's just me, but the way they cheapen the McCrae's Battalion by using it for point scoring and oneupmanship sickens and disgusts me.

on Armistice day, the news was on at work for the silence, and when they cut to the Scott monument, there's a reprobate of a hearts fan, not a young person but a woman older than me, holding out a hearts scarf with McCrae's battalion emblazoned across it. Took a lot in me to hold the silence and not make sounds of disgust.

Firstly, these men didn't give their lives for your ****my little club, their sacrifices were for every person then and since of these shores, and certainly not for you to try to score petty points a century later.

secondly, what kind of low down, self serving, bottom feeding group (won't say the club as they may not be behind it) come up with the idea, have these scarves made, and sell them for profit? It's not far from making money off the back of what ALL these men (and women) gave up for our benefit.

Just for any yams looking in, there was young men from Hibs, Raith, and several other clubs who made up McCrae's battalion, not just Hearts players.


This is a wee bit unnecessary!

Whoever she was, she was still giving "Remembrance to the Fallen" not supporting a team.

On here we can sometimes go a wee bit overboard and forget ourselves.

[Famous Fiver]

Wee budgie chirping away like a happy wee budgie on the radio. Sounded very pleased with the proposed new stand so obviously successfully pumping the deluded for their shekels plus interest.

You've got to hand it to her. Shafting them royally, owns it lock stock and barrel, and they are licking her *ss for all they are worth.

She could show Vlad a thing or two!!

Fan ownership, don't make me laugh.

[NAE NOOKIE]

This is a wee bit unnecessary!

Whoever she was, she was still giving "Remembrance to the Fallen" not supporting a team.

On here we can sometimes go a wee bit overboard and forget ourselves.

Well, yes and no ....... From my point of view I would suggest that as McD alludes to the production of a Heart of Midlothian scarf with McCrae's battalion emblazoned across it crosses a line between respectful remembrance and using the name as a promotional tool for Hearts as a club.

As McD says, McCrae's battalion wasn't formed so that Heart of Midlothian players would have one to join and the men who made up its ranks were far from all being Hearts fans, never mind Hearts staff. This to my mind is the fine line Hearts have to be always careful not to cross .... the one where pride in the historical fact that their players did what they did in joining the battalion is replaced by giving the impression that McCrae's battalion is Hearts property and Hearts connection to it gives them the right to milk it's memory as a ( as I said ) promotional tool for the club.

I'm prepared to accept that the scarf in question was produced in some backstreet workshop in Glasgow and sold outside Tynecastle next to the ones with a Hearts fan pishing on a Hibs strip .... but if it wasn't and the item in question was actually for sale in the club shop, then shame on them.

[McD]

Well, yes and no ....... From my point of view I would suggest that as McD alludes to the production of a Heart of Midlothian scarf with McCrae's battalion emblazoned across it crosses a line between respectful remembrance and using the name as a promotional tool for Hearts as a club.

As McD says, McCrae's battalion wasn't formed so that Heart of Midlothian players would have one to join and the men who made up its ranks were far from all being Hearts fans, never mind Hearts staff. This to my mind is the fine line Hearts have to be always careful not to cross .... the one where pride in the historical fact that their players did what they did in joining the battalion is replaced by giving the impression that McCrae's battalion is Hearts property and Hearts connection to it gives them the right to milk it's memory as a ( as I said ) promotional tool for the club.

I'm prepared to accept that the scarf in question was produced in some backstreet workshop in Glasgow and sold outside Tynecastle next to the ones with a Hearts fan pishing on a Hibs strip .... but if it wasn't and the item in question was actually for sale in the club shop, then shame on them.


Took the words right out my mouth :aok:

I'm all for respectful remembrance, it's something I was brought up to have the utmost respect for and it often brings a tear to my eye, and speaking generally I think that piece of history is something Hearts and their fans should rightly take pride in. It's the 'crossing the line' (good way of describing it Nae Nookie) that really bothers me, the claiming of McCrae's battalion as their own personal domain, which I think Hearts the club occasionally overstep on. I do think (and caveated my previous post to be clear), that it's unlikely the scarf is an official piece of merchandise from Hearts.

Its just the devaluing of something sacred and humbling that really really gets me.

[Just Alf]

This thread has gone way off course!

Just to add to it tho, it's very ironic on their part when you look at the detail behind why the whole team signed up at one time for that battalion as opposed to the other teams where it was the stragglers signing up.

Also very very sad.

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[Pete]

But what about the poppy money?

:dunno:

Hearts on tour (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-38115897)

[GreenLake]

:dunno:

Hearts on tour (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-38115897)

:faf:

[The Falcon]

Agree everything you say. The only truly unique claim they can make here is that the hearts of today are the only football club to have undergone the humiliation of having to admit in their own creditors list that they somehow denied the trust it's funds.

Lest they forget.

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I would add that yesterdays food collection and #bighearts on twitter, admirable though it was, seemes to overlook that HMFC engineered their administration to charge rent to the charity of the same name of arouind £34k in an attempt to remove traces of some of the money (the charity recieved from Govt.) they then "borrowed" from the charity to fund their football activities but didnt, suprisingly, pay back.

The real disgrace, in my opinion, is that they seem quite pleased with themselves to the point that more than one has expressed the regret that Vlad didnt build his super mega stand because they would not have had to pay for it now.

All Greeginger is doing is highlighting what is happening with HMFC and progressio as they build their stand. People can form their own opinion as to what assistance, if any, they are getting from others or if they showing a blatant disregard for due process with absolute impunity.

I am grateful to him for his informed posts.

[Fife-Hibee]

I would add that yesterdays food collection and #bighearts on twitter, admirable though it was, seemes to overlook that HMFC engineered their administration to charge rent to the charity of the same name of arouind £34k in an attempt to remove traces of some of the money (the charity recieved from Govt.) they then "borrowed" from the charity to fund their football activities but didnt, suprisingly, pay back.

The real disgrace, in my opinion, is that they seem quite pleased with themselves to the point that more than one has expressed the regret that Vlad didnt build his super mega stand because they would not have had to pay for it now.

All Greeginger is doing is highlighting what is happening with HMFC and progressio as they build their stand. People can form their own opinion as to what assistance, if any, they are getting from others or if they showing a blatant disregard for due process with absolute impunity.

I am grateful to him for his informed posts.

Couldn't agree more!

[Keith_M]

This thread has gone way off course!



+1


Some people associated with Hearts have engaged in pretty despicable and petty point scoring, using the memory of dead soldiers.

We all know this is totally disgusting and I'd hate to see anybody on here stoop so low, which always makes me a little worried when the discussion veers in that direction




This is just an observation and I'm not accusing anybody of anything, just putting a concern out there.


:aok:

[Bostonhibby]

I would add that yesterdays food collection and #bighearts on twitter, admirable though it was, seemes to overlook that HMFC engineered their administration to charge rent to the charity of the same name of arouind £34k in an attempt to remove traces of some of the money (the charity recieved from Govt.) they then "borrowed" from the charity to fund their football activities but didnt, suprisingly, pay back.

The real disgrace, in my opinion, is that they seem quite pleased with themselves to the point that more than one has expressed the regret that Vlad didnt build his super mega stand because they would not have had to pay for it now.

All Greeginger is doing is highlighting what is happening with HMFC and progressio as they build their stand. People can form their own opinion as to what assistance, if any, they are getting from others or if they showing a blatant disregard for due process with absolute impunity.

I am grateful to him for his informed posts.
Yes, definitely agree re the nature and quality of greengingers posts. A counterbalance to blind belief which is what got the yam to where they ended up last time.

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[Famous Fiver]

Supreme irony in the moral high ground taken yesterday by the deluded in contributing to 'the poor' at PBS yesterday.

Didn't they realise that the single van they managed to load up headed straight for Leith so that us peg sellers could enjoy a square meal!

Thanks lads!!!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Supreme irony in the moral high ground taken yesterday by the deluded in contributing to 'the poor' at PBS yesterday.

Didn't they realise that the single van they managed to load up headed straight for Leith so that us peg sellers could enjoy a square meal!

Thanks lads!!!

F me mate, don't say that It'll be quoted as fact on Sickbag :greengrin

[jgl07]

I still think that Hearts building the stand as note will be a missed opportunity for Scottish Football in general and particularly for Hearts.

They will end up with a non-compliant stadium that will need annual dispensations to to continue to be used for domestic competition and UEFA qualifying rounds. It will not be usable at all for Playoff, Group or Knockout matches. In the words of Chris Robinson it is 'not fit for purpose' and can never be fit for purpose.

Hearts have the support to fill a ground larger than the 20,000 projected capacity especially if they have a winning team. Once the new stand is complete, there will be no possibility of expanding the stadium and they will be locked-in to that for the foreseeable future.

If Hibs can increase their current 15,000 support when back in the Premiership, expansion via filling in the corners will be a viable option.

So its not my problems but if I was a Hearts supporter I would not be happy.

[son of haggart]

I still think that Hearts building the stand as note will be a missed opportunity for Scottish Football in general and particularly for Hearts.

They will end up with a non-compliant stadium that will need annual dispensations to to continue to be used for domestic competition and UEFA qualifying rounds. It will not be usable at all for Playoff, Group or Knockout matches. In the words of Chris Robinson it is 'not fit for purpose' and can never be fit for purpose.

Hearts have the support to fill a ground larger than the 20,000 projected capacity especially if they have a winning team. Once the new stand is complete, there will be no possibility of expanding the stadium and they will be locked-in to that for the foreseeable future.

If Hibs can increase their current 15,000 support when back in the Premiership, expansion via filling in the corners will be a viable option.

So its not my problems but if I was a Hearts supporter I would not be happy.

I'm happy

[JimBHibees]

I'm happy

Right 1 down just 399,999 to go. :greengrin

[brog]

Sorry a bit off thread but there's a fantastic Budgie quote in the DR ( I know ) today. Apparently Oor Robbie's going to be supported in the transfer window for Yams to push on in their quest for Europe & more Maltese embarrassment! Budgie is quoted as saying as Yams finished 3rd last season she wouldn't be happy with them dropping below that, but if they finished 3rd or 4th & got Euro footy, that would be fantastic!! Presumably Yams raised on Sickbag can make sense of this!

[Kato]

I'm happy

....but with a better, more thought out, fit for purpose ground you'd be happier.

[jacomo]

I'm happy

If you are happy then so am I!

[BSEJVT]

I'm happy

To be honest I am delighted that this is Hearts route of travel

You are pishing away money on a fur coat and nae knickers exercise that wont change the fact that the PBS is a hole not fit for purpose and never can be.

The elusive fan ownership exercise remains as big a pipe dream as ever and the natives are restless at a team that cannot and will not achieve much more than it is currently doing.

Once the penny drops that that is Hearts station in life and you are not only without coin permanently and have no further options to "enhance" the PBS, wait until the discontent ratchets up a few notches and budgie takes her ball back.

Enjoy the ride, I suspect it will end in a thundering crash.

[Aldo]

I'm happy

I know a few that are not happy.
A stadium with a capacity smaller than ours with very little scope to expand!!

A small pitch 'not fit for purpose'.

I know what I'm happy with!




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[Jack Hackett]

I know a few that are not happy.
A stadium with a capacity smaller than ours with very little scope to expand!!

A small pitch 'not fit for purpose'.

I know what I'm happy with!




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Leave him alone....he's happy! In the words of their great leader as was..."they are simple fans"

[Aldo]

Leave him alone....he's happy! In the words of their great leader as was..."they are simple fans"

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[GreenLake]

How odd that the big team has a wee stadium

[Dashing Bob S]

+1


Some people associated with Hearts have engaged in pretty despicable and petty point scoring, using the memory of dead soldiers.

We all know this is totally disgusting and I'd hate to see anybody on here stoop so low, which always makes me a little worried when the discussion veers in that direction




This is just an observation and I'm not accusing anybody of anything, just putting a concern out there.


:aok:

I'm missing something here. Is there a giant fridge under the stand to store dead soldiers under they can repaired and brought back to life?

[greenginger]

Passed down Mcleod Street at lunchtime today and saw a large sign announcing the new Heart's club store and ticket office were now open.

Never refusing an invitation for a quick neb , I parked up and took a wander round the back of the Roseburn Stand and the new accommodation is in the new build under the Wheatfield Stand.

I have just re-checked the Council planning and building portal and the building warrant to begin work has still not been issued so its fairly safe to assume no completion or partial completion certificate can have been issued to allow legal access for staff and public.

That being the case , the Club will have no 3rd party liability insurance for customers and no insurance cover for their own staff should any accidents happen. ( the place was still an active building site when I walked round. )

I'm pretty sure if any other company acted like this our Council would be all over them and the EEN would have headlines screaming about reckless or even criminal behaviour.

[Deansy]

How odd that the big team has a wee stadium

Or that the the 'wee team' has the bigger stadium ............... a stadium that they OWN themselves ..................... with no need to donate a % of their hard-earned every month in the hope of maybe owning it in the far-off future because previous boards were naughty with the finances ??

[CropleyWasGod]

Or that the the 'wee team' has the bigger stadium ............... a stadium that they OWN themselves ..................... with no need to donate a % of their hard-earned every month in the hope of maybe owning it in the far-off future because previous boards were naughty with the finances ??
Both teams own their stadium.

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[Gmack7]

The wee team has the wee stadium

[brog]

Passed down Mcleod Street at lunchtime today and saw a large sign announcing the new Heart's club store and ticket office were now open.

Never refusing an invitation for a quick neb , I parked up and took a wander round the back of the Roseburn Stand and the new accommodation is in the new build under the Wheatfield Stand.

I have just re-checked the Council planning and building portal and the building warrant to begin work has still not been issued so its fairly safe to assume no completion or partial completion certificate can have been issued to allow legal access for staff and public.

That being the case , the Club will have no 3rd party liability insurance for customers and no insurance cover for their own staff should any accidents happen. ( the place was still an active building site when I walked round. )

I'm pretty sure if any other company acted like this our Council would be all over them and the EEN would have headlines screaming about reckless or even criminal behaviour.

Almost unreal if it wasn't for their previous & the Council's complicity in helping the yams in any way possible. Far be it for me to wish a (very minor) accident on anyone!!

[Gmack7]

If a HIBBY with easy access to the undercroft building site was to get injured while working there through no fault of his own he could make real trouble for them if there's no relevant insurance in place for such an event

[ancient hibee]

Almost unreal if it wasn't for their previous & the Council's complicity in helping the yams in any way possible. Far be it for me to wish a (very minor) accident on anyone!!

Kind of ironic that at a time when steps are being taken to make sure that there is no repeat of the death of the poor girl at Liberton school that the council should be so careless with an area to be open to the public.

[Sergey]

Almost unreal if it wasn't for their previous & the Council's complicity in helping the yams in any way possible. Far be it for me to wish a (very minor) accident on anyone!!

Do we have a willing volunteer?

I'll willingly push you (although we could run a sweep for the privilege) :greengrin

[Biggie]

Kind of ironic that at a time when steps are being taken to make sure that there is no repeat of the death of the poor girl at Liberton school that the council should be so careless with an area to be open to the public.

It's pathetic, how this doesn't get called out by the evening news, or any journalist worth his salt is criminal. Hope no-one is seriously hurt, but would love it to hit the fan.