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Wembley67
05-09-2016, 12:11 PM
On the back of the other thread I'm curious why many people are not interested as much in their country or in some cases not at all?

Wembley67
05-09-2016, 12:15 PM
For me personally I got sick of the whole interference from club teams and the being able to qualify as a player through the back door.

Born and bred in your nation should be the only way to become a national player in my opinion :agree:

Craig_HFC
05-09-2016, 12:16 PM
Because it's not Hibs.

Highland_Hibee
05-09-2016, 12:18 PM
To me as a football fan is does strike me as a bit strange to not back your national team. If you were playing then surely a highlight of your career would be representing your country? That said I guess it's been hard to get folk behind our own national team when we have been missing major tournaments for so long.


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CallumLaidlaw
05-09-2016, 12:25 PM
Totally support Scotland when they're playing. But it doesn't have the same excitement levels for me. Maybe the fact the last time we qualified for a tournament, I was still at school is something to do with it.


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southsider
05-09-2016, 12:30 PM
Joe Baker had to play for England whilst Gerry played for the USA. Each spent about 10 minutes in those countries. Each one a proud Scotsman but the granny thing leaves me cold.

SRHibs
05-09-2016, 12:34 PM
None of the above. I'm passionate about the national team, but I'm just more passionate about Hibs.

Andy74
05-09-2016, 12:42 PM
I'd be surprised at any football fan that would put country first. Surely a football fan lives on the day to day passion about their club?

I'm not that bothered about football generally any more other than Hibs. I still like to see Scotland so well but I don't actually care very much either way.

Hibee87
05-09-2016, 12:45 PM
In my experience the majority of hardened Scotland fans dont passionately follow a club team. Im not saying all, but the majority i know.

I think asking the question on a club board where the contributors are 99% going to support their club more than their country is pointless.

As this is a football club board, and most contributors attend hibs games reguarly then the answer to your question will be the same - 'I love hibs as I follow them/spend a lot more money on them then scotland'

As the same question on a tartan army board and it would be the opposite im sure

lord bunberry
05-09-2016, 12:52 PM
I've been to a few Scotland games, but it doesn't give me the same adrenaline rush that hibs games do. I quite enjoy going to the pub and watching Scotland games. It also helps when they are in with a chance of qualifying. When they're doing badly it's easy to say that you're not that bothered. I remember when the Euros were in England, the whole country was right up for it and when we just lost out against Italy a few years ago it was the same. Hopefully they can put up a decent fight this time round.

Ringothedog
05-09-2016, 12:53 PM
Club every time for me. I may have been born in Scotland but was born with Hibernian in my blood.

Baldy Foghorn
05-09-2016, 12:55 PM
I only support Hibs, other football doesn't interest me at all.......

PiemanP
05-09-2016, 12:55 PM
I like the fact that I can go and watch a game and socialise with mates who support other teams that I wouldn't normally watch games with. That's also part of the downfalls though as rival club fans never truly leave their club ties behind when watching Scotland. I watched the game last night with a fairly decent Jambo but he just wouldn't shut up about Rolf Patterson. It always ends up back at a club v club debate.

There's another element too. With Hibs I feel totally comfortable around our fans. I'd happily walk into any pub and chat away with people on matchday or travel in any supporters bus. However with Scotland it can all feel a bit clique at times.

I suppose a the biggest part though is that 90's kids (that's now people in their mid-twenties!) haven't properly witnessed Scotland even making a dent on the world stage.

Big90inOz
05-09-2016, 01:12 PM
Once Scotland starts picking players based on ability and form rather than who they play for I might take an interest again. Good players don't become better players just because they sign for the bigot brothers.

Rugy07
05-09-2016, 01:27 PM
Once Scotland starts picking players based on ability and form rather than who they play for I might take an interest again. Good players don't become better players just because they sign for the bigot brothers.

Does that mean you did watch last night then?

Hibee87
05-09-2016, 01:31 PM
Once Scotland starts picking players based on ability and form rather than who they play for I might take an interest again. Good players don't become better players just because they sign for the bigot brothers.

How many Celtic and rangers players started last night? How many were actually in the squad?

When Rangers were in the lower leagues, how many players got a call up?

mmmmhibby
05-09-2016, 01:40 PM
Just no Hibs is it, altho I always want Scotland to win. Dinny get mi started on Doh-A Dear and the likes tho, pfffffft.

blackpoolhibs
05-09-2016, 02:35 PM
Scotland play every few months, Hibs play every week. It's just logical in my opinion to have a bit more feeling for your club team.

Saying that, i watched both yesterday and wanted Scotland to win much more than i was bothered about Hibs winning.

Gatecrasher
05-09-2016, 02:45 PM
Watching Scotland is no different to me than watching Chelsea or man u, I'll watch it but I don't/can't get exited about it.

NZ Green
05-09-2016, 03:27 PM
I love watching Scotland, even if they aren't the best, they represent our country on a world stage in a sport I enjoy, so it's quite important/fun in that respect. When you follow a team that play just about every weekend and represent your city though, you're going to have closer ties with them.

itslegaltender
05-09-2016, 03:47 PM
Love Hibs, Love Scotland.

barcahibs
05-09-2016, 04:39 PM
On the back of the other thread I'm curious why many people are not interested as much in their country or in some cases not at all?

I can't bring myself to support a team containing hertz, sevco or celtc players. The thought of supporting a team that includes the likes of Ally McCoist, Davie Weir, Steven Presley, Paul Hartley... (the list could go on) Gives me the boak.

I'd want these guys to lose a game of monopoly never mind football. I can't turn that on and off week about, I can't hate them one week and support them the next it's nonsensical to my mind

Plus I don't like the way the SFA is set up to further the exclusive interests of the bigot brothers.

Plus I don't like the argument that players HAVE to turn out for their national team or they can't get picked for their club team the next week. And I hate the concept of players getting abuse for choosing not to play for the national squad. International football is no longer the pinnacle of the game IMO, it's an irrelevant sideshow.

I've also never had a great answer as to why players have to turn out for the national football team (risking injury and not being able to play for their club) but back in the day it was fine for Hibs to prevent Andy Goram playing for the Scottish national cricket team due to the injury risk.

GreenOnions
05-09-2016, 04:39 PM
I don't have that much interest in Scotland. I do like it when they do well but probably in the way you support any underdog. I support Hibs because I've chosen to do so due to history, social and sporting culture etc. A national team affiliation is supposedly inherited whether you like it or not. I don't really like it.

I also don't really like it when we qualify for tournaments because we are usually one of the worst teams and we are usually not good to watch because we will be defensive and technically deficient. Also - there is then more media coverage of Scotland and less of the other teams who are actually more entertaining.

It's a "no" from me to Scotland I'm afraid although I'm pleased about last night's result.

hibee
05-09-2016, 04:57 PM
I've only ever been to one game but didn't enjoy it and hated having to travel to and from Glasgow for it too.

If they played in Edinburgh more often I'd go along but I still support them when watching on tv, it's just not that exciting watching players I've never heard of.

Once John McGinn gets a start I'll be more interested!

snooky
05-09-2016, 05:07 PM
It used to be great when we had the home internationals every year and the Ingerlund v Scotland tie was always the big one (for us anyway). These fixtures kept the International interest going. It's a bit like the New Year Derby - it wasn't a case of will I go, you ALWAYS went. When they started pi$$ing around with the dates (like when the did away with the regular alternate Home/Away fixtures on SATURDAYS) you had to try and find out when and if the game was on.

Football fans are creatures of habit. When the habit gets broken - it's gone.

Scouse Hibee
05-09-2016, 05:15 PM
When I watch England I couldn't give a toss what clubs the players come from as they are playing for the England team not their clubs. I have lost some interest in International football over the last few years and just like the banter on here regarding both nations, which probably helps maintain my interest. It will never compete with club football though. The Hibs cup final win remains the greatest football experience of my life bar none.

Mibbes Aye
05-09-2016, 05:20 PM
For me personally I got sick of the whole interference from club teams and the being able to qualify as a player through the back door.

Born and bred in your nation should be the only way to become a national player in my opinion :agree:

That's the can of worms for me.

You could be born in Scotland, by Scottish parents, and then they move for work reasons to wherever at six months old and you grow up there. Could be California, could be Japan. No history of being in Scotland whatsoever. Does that make you Scottish, American or Japanese?

On the other hand, you could be born elsewhere, we're settling Syrian refugees at the moment so let's use them as an example, you arrive here at six months old, no clue as to what's going on and grow up in Glasgow or Edinburgh. You speak English and all your reference points are 'Scottish', but by birth you're a Syrian.

Who is more Scottish?

(Should add that I don't think it really matters - national identity feels like a lifestyle choice and not worth getting worked up about).

Hibernia&Alba
05-09-2016, 05:24 PM
It's your club that you watch whenever you can and whose experiences you live day in week out. The national team only plays a few team each year and contains players you cannae stand at all other times. I just can't find the same passion for international football.

Mibbes Aye
05-09-2016, 05:28 PM
I like the fact that I can go and watch a game and socialise with mates who support other teams that I wouldn't normally watch games with. That's also part of the downfalls though as rival club fans never truly leave their club ties behind when watching Scotland. I watched the game last night with a fairly decent Jambo but he just wouldn't shut up about Rolf Patterson. It always ends up back at a club v club debate.

There's another element too. With Hibs I feel totally comfortable around our fans. I'd happily walk into any pub and chat away with people on matchday or travel in any supporters bus. However with Scotland it can all feel a bit clique at times.

I suppose a the biggest part though is that 90's kids (that's now people in their mid-twenties!) haven't properly witnessed Scotland even making a dent on the world stage.

I think that's a good point.

While we rarely troubled the Euros, we were always at the World Cup whilst I was growing up. Admittedly the competition was smaller in those days, IIRC.

In hindsight it does feel like Scotland missed an opportunity - our squad from the mid-seventies to the mid-eighties was phenomenal, there were players who would walk into today's team who couldn't get a game because there was somebody or sometimes somebodies ahead of them in that position.

Keith_M
05-09-2016, 05:30 PM
Jeezo, no another one

:rolleyes: