Notice of complaint regarding the cup final.

[Aldo]

Same guy that threw the punch at Wallace (and missed) is also charged with assault on Holt. Players dde00


That is surely incorrect because I heard that it was reported that Wallace had been thrown to the ground and was repeatedly punched and kicked whilst on the ground.

Also it was reported ALL. Comments on that as you seem to be judge, jury and executioner?? ;-)

[CropleyWasGod]

Player.

Wallace, Holt, Foderingham and, IIRC, Halliday.... all but one still to be heard in Court.

[JimBHibees]

I think what is putting folk in defensive mode isn't so much an attempt to make excuses for the pitch invasion. Yes there were reasons for it happening but not one of them changes the fact that the rules of the competition and venue explicitly prohibit fans entering the field of play. People are not arguing that point, they are making the point that the vast majority of Hibs fans on the pitch did not, and had no intention of, provoking a fight.

If there is no denying the fact that Hibs fans had no right to be on the pitch, there is also no denying the fact that what would have began and ended as a slightly over zealous celebration where a tiny handful of fans disgraced the club by partaking in actions that in no way could be described as 'celebrating' has became a national story which has ran for months because Rangers fans decided to rise to the bait and come onto the pitch for a fight .... not forgetting that according to the time line in the report Hibs fans had hardly had enough time to reach the halfway line before Sevco fans started coming onto the running track at their end.
If you ask me the very fact that Hibs fans were on the pitch celebrating was seen by them as an unbearable provocation, I don't think the fact that some Hibs fans goaded them directly was that big a factor, they would have come on anyway.

What is also pissing off the vast majority of us is that for a one off incident that lasted in total about 10 minutes it looks like we are about to be hammered by an organisation which continually refuses to take Rangers to task for the unacceptable conduct of their supporters which happens at Ibrox at every home game and their fans take to every ground in the country they visit and has been going on unchecked for years.

No, two wrongs don't make a right, but when one wrong is treated like a national disaster and the other wrong is allowed to continue totally unchecked its not hard to see why many Hibs fans, myself included, are ever so slightly miffed at being made an example of by the organisation which practices such hypocrisy.

Absolutely nail on the head without fear or favour is a principle the SFA have struggled with for years.

[jabis]

Another quality rant from The Rangers.....



http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-64/

Apart from being funny,if you read it in an Ian paisley voice,........ it's funny.

[w pilton hibby]

That is surely incorrect because I heard that it was reported that Wallace had been thrown to the ground and was repeatedly punched and kicked whilst on the ground.

Also it was reported ALL. Comments on that as you seem to be judge, jury and executioner?? ;-)

BBC news 25 May

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36380946

I don't believe that all the Rangers players were assaulted. I was replying to a poster who stated NO Rangers players were assaulted.

[Aldo]

BBC news 25 May http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36380946 I don't believe that all the Rangers players were assaulted. I was replying to a poster who stated NO Rangers players were assaulted.

No player was assaulted as it was reported by sections of the media. And I mean the severity, punched and kicked whilst on the ground.

The fact wasn't reputed and blown out of proportion. I will say that those responsible for this will find themselves dealt with accordingly by the courts and subsequently banned for life by club.

[w pilton hibby]

No player was assaulted as it was reported by sections of the media. And I mean the severity, punched and kicked whilst on the ground.

The fact wasn't reputed and blown out of proportion. I will say that those responsible for this will find themselves dealt with accordingly by the courts and subsequently banned for life by club.

I agree that the assaults were blown out of proportion however people seem to think that because the Rangers players didn't have black eyes, cracked ribs or bloody noses they were not assaulted. By the letter of the law they were.

[Aldo]

I agree that the assaults were blown out of proportion however people seem to think that because the Rangers players didn't have black eyes, cracked ribs or bloody noses they were not assaulted. By the letter of the law they were.

Folk don't disagree with that I'm sure but as I have mentioned it is how it has been reported both in the media and by Newco!

As by the letter of the law you statement is correct!

[blackpoolhibs]

Could Hibs have done anymore than they did to stop the pitch invasion and subsequent events? :confused:

[BoomtownHibees]

Could Hibs have done anymore than they did to stop the pitch invasion and subsequent events? :confused:

No

[CropleyWasGod]

Could Hibs have done anymore than they did to stop the pitch invasion and subsequent events? :confused:

The independent report says no, which will be our defence.

However, the SFA rules say that we are responsible for our fans.

[blackpoolhibs]

The independent report says no, which will be our defence.

However, the SFA rules say that we are responsible for our fans.

I understand that we are responsible for our fans, yet surely we hand that responsibility over to the police and stewards who are highly paid :wink: as we the club, do not have the skills to control 20 - 25 thousand football fans? :confused:

[Stevie Reid]

Another quality rant from The Rangers.....



http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-64/

That last paragraph is a ****ing belter - as is the rest of it actually.

[malcolm]

There is a whole lot of cobblers being talked about the question of whether or not assaults happened. Most non legally aware folk will use a plain English approach to what they mean by assault - i.e to hit. The definition in scots common law is not consistent with the suggestion that a fresh air swing is necessarily always assault. A whole load of verbals is not assault either but might be a factor in supporting one its essentials.

To generalise, a fresh air swing may or may not hold one part of the essentials of a legal 'non contact' assault - the intent to cause harm - but the other part is fear arising in the prospective recipient that they will suffer bodily harm. The so called journalists and official holders of the crayons in Sevco probably don't really get the distinction and know full well that most of their audience will understand assault to mean physical contact, in other words being struck.

Not sure there is any benefit on here of leaping to the effective defence of crayon scribblers by going all 'well technically it may have been assault' when there is minimal of evidence of any assault beyond the few minor petty instances identified. To be honest arguably jostling that includes some physical contact would only give rise to a credible fear that bodily injury was intended or likely if say you are a great big Jessie:wink:

[northstandhibby]

There is a whole lot of cobblers being talked about the question of whether or not assaults happened. Most non legally aware folk will use a plain English approach to what they mean by assault - i.e to hit. The definition in scots common law is not consistent with the suggestion that a fresh air swing is necessarily always assault. A whole load of verbals is not assault either but might be a factor in supporting one its essentials.

To generalise, a fresh air swing may or may not hold one part of the essentials of a legal 'non contact' assault - the intent to cause harm - but the other part is fear arising in the prospective recipient that they will suffer bodily harm. The so called journalists and official holders of the crayons in Sevco probably don't really get the distinction and know full well that most of their audience will understand assault to mean physical contact, in other words being struck.

Not sure there is any benefit on here of leaping to the effective defence of crayon scribblers by going all 'well technically it may have been assault' when there is minimal of evidence of any assault beyond the few minor petty instances identified. To be honest arguably jostling that includes some physical contact would only give rise to a credible fear that bodily injury was intended or likely if say you are a great big Jessie:wink:

:top marks

Many a time I've been quite violently jostled or bumped into on a busy street, train station, airport etc. Never have I accused anyone of assault. Pathetic hun whinging.



GGTTH

[#FromTheCapital]

I've read the latest statement from the huns a couple of times now and I'm trying my hardest to be angry with it. But I just can't be angry at something which makes me laugh so much. Sounds like part 2 is coming so I look forward to them making an even bigger arse of themselves. Their fans with half a brain cell should be embarrassed with that, although admittedly that description only covers a tiny minority of their fans.

[NAE NOOKIE]

This latest Sevco statement just reiterates what I have been saying all along. If this was just an attempt by them to try and deflect from their on field failure on the day, while at the same time trying to make their fans love them I could see the humour in all this.

But what is happening here is that in their attempts to reach their objective they are clearly determined to see Hibernian FC dragged through the mud and doing their utmost to ensure that Hibs are handed the most punitive punishment possible, even though they are well aware that Hibs as a club had absolutely no control over the events after the final whistle and in real terms they will gain nothing from anything that happens to us.

The more this goes on the less it looks like a quest ( no matter how laughable ) for fairness and looks more and more like a revenge attack for events leading up to and after the demise of Glasgow Rangers 1872 ...... They promised revenge against the likes of Rod Petrie for his "sporting integrity" comment, they are still bitter over the Scott Allan saga and they are clearly raging over being the team Hibs pumped in the most pleasing way possible to end our legendary cup hoodoo.

They are making this personal in my opinion and in doing so are stoking up a bitterness between the two clubs that is going to end up making the old firm rivalry they have with Celtic look tepid in comparison, the hatred that will rise to the surface the next time our two clubs meet and for who knows how long after in the seasons to come is not something that anybody should be looking forward to.

In all honesty if they don't rein back this mindless nonsense and make some effort to defuse the situation by actually sitting down with Hibs to form a joint approach to the situation, which is what they should be doing I can see the police taking a decision to prevent away fans travelling the next time the two clubs meet.

[Captain Trips]

Disgusting Club, but here is the bottom line of the day the real news the real event:

3 - 2 to the Hibs get that right round ye, enjoyed everyminute and enjoying the Rangers complete bealin at the whole thing.

Face it ye got pumped, we done ye. Owned.

[GlesgaeHibby]

This latest Sevco statement just reiterates what I have been saying all along. If this was just an attempt by them to try and deflect from their on field failure on the day, while at the same time trying to make their fans love them I could see the humour in all this.

But what is happening here is that in their attempts to reach their objective they are clearly determined to see Hibernian FC dragged through the mud and doing their utmost to ensure that Hibs are handed the most punitive punishment possible, even though they are well aware that Hibs as a club had absolutely no control over the events after the final whistle and in real terms they will gain nothing from anything that happens to us.

The more this goes on the less it looks like a quest ( no matter how laughable ) for fairness and looks more and more like a revenge attack for events leading up to and after the demise of Glasgow Rangers 1872 ...... They promised revenge against the likes of Rod Petrie for his "sporting integrity" comment, they are still bitter over the Scott Allan saga and they are clearly raging over being the team Hibs pumped in the most pleasing way possible to end our legendary cup hoodoo.

They are making this personal in my opinion and in doing so are stoking up a bitterness between the two clubs that is going to end up making the old firm rivalry they have with Celtic look tepid in comparison, the hatred that will rise to the surface the next time our two clubs meet and for who knows how long after in the seasons to come is not something that anybody should be looking forward to.

In all honesty if they don't rein back this mindless nonsense and make some effort to defuse the situation by actually sitting down with Hibs to form a joint approach to the situation, which is what they should be doing I can see the police taking a decision to prevent away fans travelling the next time the two clubs meet.

It's exactly what you'd expect from the old Rangers, and the new Rangers aren't any different.

**** them, and their fans. We won, fair and square. The reality, and history confirms it, is that they are bad winners and even worse losers. I'm fed up of hearing them constantly bleat on and take the moral high ground. Their fans also invaded the pitch and got involved with a small number of Hibs Fans who were out for a fight. The Weegie Media and Rangers are quite happy to play the 'goaded' card but you didn't see any Hibs fans reacting violently to the Rangers Sectarian singing during the game. They are an utter embarrassment of a club, and I hope Sevco die once and for all.

[kaimendhibs]

It's exactly what you'd expect from the old Rangers, and the new Rangers aren't any different.

**** them, and their fans. We won, fair and square. The reality, and history confirms it, is that they are bad winners and even worse losers. I'm fed up of hearing them constantly bleat on and take the moral high ground. Their fans also invaded the pitch and got involved with a small number of Hibs Fans who were out for a fight. The Weegie Media and Rangers are quite happy to play the 'goaded' card but you didn't see any Hibs fans reacting violently to the Rangers Sectarian singing during the game. They are an utter embarrassment of a club, and I hope Sevco die once and for all.
Cant wait for our next trip to ipox

What exactly have we 'lost'?

Every fan of anyone other than The Rangers is creasing themselves laughing at them.

The Sheriff Principal's report was pretty balanced.

We've both been charged with breaking stuff, which is hard to complain about really.


Absolutely nail on the head without fear or favour is a principle the SFA have struggled with for years.


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[NAE NOOKIE]

Cant wait for our next trip to ipox

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In all honesty mate I can see a situation arising from this where Hibs will advise away fans not to travel to any game we play at Ibrox and I for one would be more than happy to see their fans banned from Easter Road ... a state of affairs I'm sure Police Scotland would be more than happy to endorse.

In light of recent events I cant in all honesty see for the life of me how any Hibs director would feel comfortable taking a seat in the Ibrox directors box and for that matter, why the hell would we as a club want to make any effort to make staff or officials of that detestable club welcome at Easter Road?

[Col2]

Would letting them see or even touch the Scottish Cup not make this all go away? We could offer to do this and I guess we could let them borrow it for 24 hours if it makes them less upset? Too far?

[Argylehibby]

So you think 11 seconds of goading... Yes 11 seconds of goading and provocation caused them to run on. Sorry but that part of your summary is utter rubbish.

However here's one for you.... If the Newco fans had taken the defeat like pretty much every other team and just walked away or even stayed in the stands then it wouldn't have happened.

They are bad winners but worse losers and they've used every excuse to justify there presence on the pitch!

Their 90 minutes of utter bile and sectarianism was far worse than getting the 'come on' and 'middle bar'.

Yeah we shouldn't have been on the pitch but it's like you are making excuses for their behaviour.

Over exuberance I tell ye!!

Their fans coming on to fight had no bearing on the pitch being dug up or the goals being broken. That unfortunately is all down to our own fans.

I may be wrong on this, I couldn't find the link to the independent report, but if I'm not the bad losers point is mentioned in the report but very subtly. The report definitely mentioned previous incidents and I think it was only 2. The first was the 1980 cup final when oldco lost to Celtic and the other I think was the playoff final when sevco lost to Motherwell.

[JimBHibees]

BBC news 25 May

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36380946

I don't believe that all the Rangers players were assaulted. I was replying to a poster who stated NO Rangers players were assaulted.

I didn't say no players I said one player wasn't aware other players say they were assaulted.

[Aldo]

Their fans coming on to fight had no bearing on the pitch being dug up or the goals being broken. That unfortunately is all down to our own fans. I may be wrong on this, I couldn't find the link to the independent report, but if I'm not the bad losers point is mentioned in the report but very subtly. The report definitely mentioned previous incidents and I think it was only 2. The first was the 1980 cup final when oldco lost to Celtic and the other I think was the playoff final when sevco lost to Motherwell.

AH if you read my post in context with my others on this I mentioned that if they had stayed put then it would have only been us that 'got it' from the authorities .... Or words like that.

They are bad losers no doubt about it!

[andyf5]

Wallace, Holt, Foderingham and, IIRC, Halliday.... all but one still to be heard in Court.

There is no-one in court over Foderingham push. The guy close by was convicted of offensive gesturing at Foderingham! Wrong place wrong time for him.

[blackpoolhibs]

This latest Sevco statement just reiterates what I have been saying all along. If this was just an attempt by them to try and deflect from their on field failure on the day, while at the same time trying to make their fans love them I could see the humour in all this.

But what is happening here is that in their attempts to reach their objective they are clearly determined to see Hibernian FC dragged through the mud and doing their utmost to ensure that Hibs are handed the most punitive punishment possible, even though they are well aware that Hibs as a club had absolutely no control over the events after the final whistle and in real terms they will gain nothing from anything that happens to us.

The more this goes on the less it looks like a quest ( no matter how laughable ) for fairness and looks more and more like a revenge attack for events leading up to and after the demise of Glasgow Rangers 1872 ...... They promised revenge against the likes of Rod Petrie for his "sporting integrity" comment, they are still bitter over the Scott Allan saga and they are clearly raging over being the team Hibs pumped in the most pleasing way possible to end our legendary cup hoodoo.

They are making this personal in my opinion and in doing so are stoking up a bitterness between the two clubs that is going to end up making the old firm rivalry they have with Celtic look tepid in comparison, the hatred that will rise to the surface the next time our two clubs meet and for who knows how long after in the seasons to come is not something that anybody should be looking forward to.

In all honesty if they don't rein back this mindless nonsense and make some effort to defuse the situation by actually sitting down with Hibs to form a joint approach to the situation, which is what they should be doing I can see the police taking a decision to prevent away fans travelling the next time the two clubs meet.

No need to worry, both clubs have agreed and The Rangers have said they will make sure things improve and Hibs are giving them the chance to do so. :rolleyes:

[Captain Trips]

Perhaps these will be of help to The Rangers for next statement

https://thevibrantchanneledcreator.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/crayola-crayons.jpg

[Hibee87]

I may be wrong here, but were hearts not investigated/fined or something a few months back because a dundee utd fan caused trouble? Because it was at tyncastle it was hearts who were held accountable, and not dundee united? :confused:

It doesnt sound like that could be true, but im sure I read it. And if I am correct, then on that basis the SFA are to blame for not managing the crowd at their own stadium

[Captain Trips]

This is going down the route Abedeen and Oldco had with Ian Durrant sitution.

[CropleyWasGod]

There is no-one in court over Foderingham push. The guy close by was convicted of offensive gesturing at Foderingham! Wrong place wrong time for him.
Cheers for that. I knew that the guy had pled guilty, but thought that he'd been charged under assault provisions.

So...and then there were 3. TBA.

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[Spike Mandela]

Have Rangers paid their £250k fine yet for their cheating EBT side letters? I know the courts ordered them to pay around March but that was after two years or so. Can see them spending more time in court again once their fine comes in.

No one likes them but they really realy care.

[northstandhibby]

Have Rangers paid their £250k fine yet for their cheating EBT side letters? I know the courts ordered them to pay around March but that was after two years or so. Can see them spending more time in court again once their fine comes in.

No one likes them but they really realy care.

It's a great point as why should any other Scottish football team pay a fine levied on them by the SFA when the huns have stuck two fingers up at that specific fine and have got away with it?





GGTTH

[Jim44]

http://thecelticblog.com/2016/08/blogs/how-long-is-the-gutless-sfa-going-to-allow-sevco-to-lie-over-what-happened-at-hampden/

View from Celtic bloggers.


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Good to have the support of others but this particular source is a bit like getting a character reference from Harold Shipman. :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

Good to have the support of others but this particular source is a bit like getting a character reference from Harold Shipman. :greengrin

That's a ****ing great post from the Celtic bloggers to be fair though.:thumbsup:

[JimBHibees]

That's a ****ing great post from the Celtic bloggers to be fair though.:thumbsup:

Couldnt agree more absolutely spot on irrespective of who is saying it.

[JimBHibees]

It's a great point as why should any other Scottish football team pay a fine levied on them by the SFA when the huns have stuck two fingers up at that specific fine and have got away with it?



GGTTH

Has that ever been paid?

[WhileTheChief..]

Couple of things in an article in the Herald today...

2 Rangers fans have been charged for sectarian singing at the Killie game last week.

Police are investigating claims of sectarian singing at the recent Hearts Celtic game based on complaints but are having difficulty charging anyone as the CCTV at Tyne doesn't pick up audio. BT Sport had to issue an apology after also receiving complaints about it.


So maybe that's the way to go. Complain to Sky / BT as they will perhaps care more than the BBC / print media up here.

[northstandhibby]

Has that ever been paid?

I Don't think so. If it has it was done so very quietly behind the scenes probably so as to keep up the pretense to their neanderthals of a rift with the SFA. Maybe someone else with more info on it could help out with that one.








GGTTH

[Suburban Hibby]

This is going down the route Abedeen and Oldco had with Ian Durrant sitution.

Totally agree, mentioned exactly this to mates the other night- and going with Der Hun mentality we are the new Sheep but with a Fen**n twist.

Lovely, next trip through will be interesting....

[Geo_1875]

Totally agree, mentioned exactly this to mates the other night- and going with Der Hun mentality we are the new Sheep but with a Fen**n twist.

Lovely, next trip through will be interesting....

We've always had trouble with the Govanites (Old Rangers were the same). I remember going through in the 70's when there were smaller crowds and little segregation. We would spend 90 minutes running back and forward on the terracing catching the occasional glimpse of the game. After the game was like escaping from Dunkirk. I think it's because we wear green.

[Lago]

We've always had trouble with the Govanites (Old Rangers were the same). I remember going through in the 70's when there were smaller crowds and little segregation. We would spend 90 minutes running back and forward on the terracing catching the occasional glimpse of the game. After the game was like escaping from Dunkirk. I think it's because we wear green.
Ah the good old days, I remember them well.:agree:

[147lothian]

I thought the pitch invasion was one of the best things i have seen in 50 years as a Hibs fan. they were celebrations that no other set of fans could possible understand.

Was it wrong, yes, but those were scenes i personally think were the best i have ever seen.

I was on the top tier of the main stand, and if i'd been on the bottom tier i'd have 100% been on that pitch.

http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/top%20marks.gif

[Highland_Hibee]

This latest Sevco statement just reiterates what I have been saying all along. If this was just an attempt by them to try and deflect from their on field failure on the day, while at the same time trying to make their fans love them I could see the humour in all this.

But what is happening here is that in their attempts to reach their objective they are clearly determined to see Hibernian FC dragged through the mud and doing their utmost to ensure that Hibs are handed the most punitive punishment possible, even though they are well aware that Hibs as a club had absolutely no control over the events after the final whistle and in real terms they will gain nothing from anything that happens to us.

The more this goes on the less it looks like a quest ( no matter how laughable ) for fairness and looks more and more like a revenge attack for events leading up to and after the demise of Glasgow Rangers 1872 ...... They promised revenge against the likes of Rod Petrie for his "sporting integrity" comment, they are still bitter over the Scott Allan saga and they are clearly raging over being the team Hibs pumped in the most pleasing way possible to end our legendary cup hoodoo.

They are making this personal in my opinion and in doing so are stoking up a bitterness between the two clubs that is going to end up making the old firm rivalry they have with Celtic look tepid in comparison, the hatred that will rise to the surface the next time our two clubs meet and for who knows how long after in the seasons to come is not something that anybody should be looking forward to.

In all honesty if they don't rein back this mindless nonsense and make some effort to defuse the situation by actually sitting down with Hibs to form a joint approach to the situation, which is what they should be doing I can see the police taking a decision to prevent away fans travelling the next time the two clubs meet.

:top marks

They can't stand that they are not being afforded the positions of judge, jury and executioner. They demanded justice immediately before being in possession of all the facts. They cried for an independent enquiry yet want to dictate what charges we face.

Hibs have stood up and said from day 1 that we will accept our punishments and do whatever it takes to bring wrong doers to justice.

The Rangers have just stood around spouting blame in every direction but their own. We should take responsibility for our own fans and how their fans reacted apparently.

[silverhibee]

Compliance officer has been very quiet on the pitch invasion by Killie fans at the end of last season.

Just saying like.

[Captain Trips]

Just keep printing your pishy stories as usually within the guff there is a line stating "Hibs won the match 3-2". A pure joy to read in any context.

[Salt N Sauzee]

I thought the pitch invasion was one of the best things i have seen in 50 years as a Hibs fan. they were celebrations that no other set of fans could possible understand.

Was it wrong, yes, but those were scenes i personally think were the best i have ever seen.

I was on the top tier of the main stand, and if i'd been on the bottom tier i'd have 100% been on that pitch.

Spot on mate.

[Captain Trips]

I have inside info and proof that The Rangers are right now preparing another statement:




http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-young-small-boy-pretending-he-s-working-in-an-office-with-a-abacus-on-his-desk-180737078.jpg

[northstandhibby]

I have inside info and proof that The Rangers are right now preparing another statement:




http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-young-small-boy-pretending-he-s-working-in-an-office-with-a-abacus-on-his-desk-180737078.jpg

:top marks :not worth

Different class. On top form Carlsberg. It's true what they say 'Probably the best lager in the world'.





GGTTH

[lord bunberry]

After this has all died down I want to hear from the so called journalists who made the ridiculous claims about the Rangers players getting a severe kicking and that the whole team needed medical treatment. We can argue the rights and wrongs of the pitch invasion, but the lies printed in the aftermath must be challenged. Journalists who made these claims shouldn't be welcome at Easter Road.

[Ringothedog]

The Rangers Fc appear to be putting pressure on the SFA,Lee Wallace pulls out of the Scotland squad and heads off for a friendly with his club....pathetic.

[Humo]

The Rangers Fc appear to be putting pressure on the SFA,Lee Wallace pulls out of the Scotland squad and heads off for a friendly with his club....pathetic.
He'll just be ****ting himself because he knows he's not good enough for international football. Plus he's a grass.

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[Hibs Class]

The Rangers Fc appear to be putting pressure on the SFA,Lee Wallace pulls out of the Scotland squad and heads off for a friendly with his club....pathetic.

If he pulls out and isn't injured can't the SFA ban him from the next club match?

[Argylehibby]

After this has all died down I want to hear from the so called journalists who made the ridiculous claims about the Rangers players getting a severe kicking and that the whole team needed medical treatment. We can argue the rights and wrongs of the pitch invasion, but the lies printed in the aftermath must be challenged. Journalists who made these claims shouldn't be welcome at Easter Road.

LB, was it a journalist that made this up though? Was it not the losing team in the final that told the story to the journalists who printed it? They clearly didn't check the accuracy of the story but while certain papers have clung to that line as hard as they can I don't think the tale was one that they created. That has been the reason complaints to the press complaints people have been rejected as they were only reporting what was said.

I think other aspects of the press coverage and the bias shown towards the shower from Govan would be grounds for telling certain rags that one or two of their employees are not welcome at ER rather than ban the rags themselves.

[Argylehibby]

If he pulls out and isn't injured can't the SFA ban him from the next club match?

That used to be the case and don't recall hearing it had been changed. The fall out from that would be fantastic though. Sevco screaming what about Griffiths etc. Would maybe take them off our backs for a while.

[lord bunberry]

LB, was it a journalist that made this up though? Was it not the losing team in the final that told the story to the journalists who printed it? They clearly didn't check the accuracy of the story but while certain papers have clung to that line as hard as they can I don't think the tale was one that they created. That has been the reason complaints to the press complaints people have been rejected as they were only reporting what was said.

I think other aspects of the press coverage and the bias shown towards the shower from Govan would be grounds for telling certain rags that one or two of their employees are not welcome at ER rather than ban the rags themselves.
Gordon Wallace from the Sunday Mail claimed he saw a Rangers player receiving a severe kicking and chick young made similar claims. Whether they were towing the party line or not remains to be seen, but they put were the ones who put the allegations into the public domain and they should be the ones to answer for their lies.

[Jonnyboy]

Gordon Wallace from the Sunday Mail claimed he saw a Rangers player receiving a severe kicking and chick young made similar claims. Whether they were towing the party line or not remains to be seen, but they put were the ones who put the allegations into the public domain and they should be the ones to answer for their lies.

Was Gordon Waddell

[Captain Trips]

Gordon Wallace from the Sunday Mail claimed he saw a Rangers player receiving a severe kicking and chick young made similar claims. Whether they were towing the party line or not remains to be seen, but they put were the ones who put the allegations into the public domain and they should be the ones to answer for their lies.

Chic who also claims to support St Mirren, he has form.

[lord bunberry]

Was Gordon Waddell
Correct. I'm getting my liars mixed up with my grasses :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Correct. I'm getting my liars mixed up with my grasses :greengrin

:faf:

[barcahibs]

If he pulls out and isn't injured can't the SFA ban him from the next club match?

Utterly ridiculous if they can. Putting aside the fact we all dislike Sevco and Wallace, if a player (or his club, who pay his wages) doesn't want to to turn out for the international side why should he have to?

Just ban him from playing for being a hun, I can definitely get behind that.

[Jack Hackett]

Gordon Wallace from the Sunday Mail claimed he saw a Rangers player receiving a severe kicking and chick young made similar claims. Whether they were towing the party line or not remains to be seen, but they put were the ones who put the allegations into the public domain and they should be the ones to answer for their lies.

I'm having trouble understanding how these 'journalists' witnessed these 'assaults', which must have lasted a while to be described as a 'severe kicking', failed to get any video or images.

[northstandhibby]

I'm having trouble understanding how these 'journalists' witnessed these 'assaults', which must have lasted a while to be described as a 'severe kicking', failed to get any video or images.

It must be have been difficult for so called journalists like Gordon Walloper to see things clearly through their Hun sunglasses, Bowler Hat, Sash, Union Jacks and the rest of the Paraphernalia the Huns wear to games and their lodge meetings.

Everyone saw the Hun official kicking out at a joyous Hibernian supporter. If that had been the other way around he'd have been on every front page in Scotland.

James Traynor you are a crackpot.




GGTTH

[Jones28]

Anyone else got a bad feeling we are going o get ****ing hammered by the SFA?

[Ozyhibby]

I'm having trouble understanding how these 'journalists' witnessed these 'assaults', which must have lasted a while to be described as a 'severe kicking', failed to get any video or images.

And haven't managed to get the player to confirm his report. Waddell lied, pure and simple. Chic Young lied. The Daily Record lied. Jim Traynor lied. And the Sevco board lied in their statement.
The next move is the SFA's, I'm not confident. After that it's down to Hibs to protect their supporters.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Graeme Speirs today


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[grunt]

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Graeme Speirs today


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If that's really what the inquiry concluded then I think it's wrong. Or is Spiers selectively quoting from the report.

[southsider]

And haven't managed to get the player to confirm his report. Waddell lied, pure and simple. Chic Young lied. The Daily Record lied. Jim Traynor lied. And the Sevco board lied in their statement.
The next move is the SFA's, I'm not confident. After that it's down to Hibs to protect their supporters.


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We should, as Hibs fans, sue them for deformation of character. It was all lies pure and simple and brought our club into disrepute.

[Onion]

Anyone else got a bad feeling we are going o get ****ing hammered by the SFA?

No, maybe a severe kicking though. Get the medics lined up.

[greenginger]

Maybe a freedom of information enquiry to Police Scotland asking how may player assaults were reported to the police after the cup final invasion.

When the answer comes back as none , demand an explanation from the media etc.

[Liberal Hibby]

If that's really what the inquiry concluded then I think it's wrong. Or is Spiers selectively quoting from the report.

Clever from Spiers. On the surface taking the party line but asking for evidence to enhance Rangers case. And we all know the problem they have in providing it.

[Greenworld]

And haven't managed to get the player to confirm his report. Waddell lied, pure and simple. Chic Young lied. The Daily Record lied. Jim Traynor lied. And the Sevco board lied in their statement.
The next move is the SFA's, I'm not confident. After that it's down to Hibs to protect their supporters.


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I feel sure if the punishment is fair to the alleged crime. Then hibs will keep quite pay the fine and move on.


If however the SFA play silly buggers over this I'm sure you will a different hibs approach but it's a difficult one a number of our so called supporters have made it so.

It will certainly be interesting, what I don't know is what he options are to the SFA in terms of punishment?

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[Moulin Yarns]

Apologies in advance, but I found this compilation of clips on a Huns fan forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAmYuF5qEf8&feature=youtu.be

Plenty of assaults shown. First time I've seen a clip of Foderingham being pushed.

[greenginger]

If that's really what the inquiry concluded then I think it's wrong. Or is Spiers selectively quoting from the report.


The sheriff in 7.1.9 of his report puts the blame on fans behaviour as described in 7.1.2 which refers to the Hibs fans who crossed the half way line and provoked the Rangers fans.

[Future17]

Maybe a freedom of information enquiry to Police Scotland asking how may player assaults were reported to the police after the cup final invasion.

When the answer comes back as none , demand an explanation from the media etc.

I think an FOI would only obtain the number of reported assaults - it certainly wouldn't say who the victims were or whether they were players.

[green day]

Apologies in advance, but I found this compilation of clips on a Huns fan forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAmYuF5qEf8&feature=youtu.be

Plenty of assaults shown. First time I've seen a clip of Foderingham being pushed.

Plenty of assaults shown on Hibs fans by orcs too.

[Sprouleflyer]

Apologies in advance, but I found this compilation of clips on a Huns fan forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAmYuF5qEf8&feature=youtu.be

Plenty of assaults shown. First time I've seen a clip of Foderingham being pushed.

Don't apologise, nothing new in that clip that we don't already know.

What I would be interested in is the footage of the run up to the Wallace/Holt incident. All we have seen is the attempt and missed punch by the supporter, plenty of pictures capturing that moment, but, what happened before that? Did he just run on the pitch and head straight for the Rangers players with one thought in his mind, punching Wallace? Has he already been dealt with by the courts? What was his sentence?

[lapsedhibee]

Apologies in advance, but I found this compilation of clips on a Huns fan forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAmYuF5qEf8&feature=youtu.be

Plenty of assaults shown. First time I've seen a clip of Foderingham being pushed.

Plenty? Foderingham was pushed. An attempt to hit Wallace failed. That's the extent of the assaults on the the hun players isn't it? Still disgraceful mind.

[The Falcon]

Don't apologise, nothing new in that clip that we don't already know.

What I would be interested in is the footage of the run up to the Wallace/Holt incident. All we have seen is the attempt and missed punch by the supporter, plenty of pictures capturing that moment, but, what happened before that? Did he just run on the pitch and head straight for the Rangers players with one thought in his mind, punching Wallace? Has he already been dealt with by the courts? What was his sentence?

As you say there are plenty covering those particular incidents and, as far as I am aware, the culprits have been dealt with by the courts and by the club. Rightly so. But a "severe kicking"? "medical assistance" ? Not offering justification but hardly.

That then challenges the credibility of the rest of the Sevco claims in that were all the camera's trained a particular air shot at the same time as other Sevco superstars were on the receiving end of said "severe kicking" (s) that was missed by every camera in the stadium?

We are now over three months down the line and nothing new is being offered that wasnt on you tube the day after.

[superfurryhibby]

We were very lucky to avoid serious crowd trouble. The total ****wits who felt they needed to engage with the Rangers fans, they need to have a good look at themselves. A very dangerous situation was narrowly avoided.

[CropleyWasGod]

Don't apologise, nothing new in that clip that we don't already know.

What I would be interested in is the footage of the run up to the Wallace/Holt incident. All we have seen is the attempt and missed punch by the supporter, plenty of pictures capturing that moment, but, what happened before that? Did he just run on the pitch and head straight for the Rangers players with one thought in his mind, punching Wallace? Has he already been dealt with by the courts? What was his sentence?
The cases involving Wallace, Holt and Halliday have still to be heard.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Plenty? Foderingham was pushed. An attempt to hit Wallace failed. That's the extent of the assaults on the the hun players isn't it? Still disgraceful mind.
Holt and Halliday also.

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[Aldo]

Holt and Halliday also. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

Clarity Defo required in respect of Halliday! Sure I read that he was stood with the ref and McGeoch and Dyland confirmed via Social media that nothing occurred.

Maybe wrong but boy has all this been over dramatised!

[Real Emerald]

I knew as I seen the first fans running onto the pitch that it wasn't going to end well, having said that I was close to joining them at one point. The authorities do need to look at it to make sure it doesn't happen again and I totally agree with that. The problem we now have is the muck raking by Rangers and the constant need to apportion blame and get people and Hibs punished.

If this carries on much longer it will backfire on both clubs and the rest of Scottish football. We're going to see ridiculous new rules springing up that will cost clubs money they ill afford and the least bit of trouble will be blown out of all proportion. Luckily it will probably be Newco and their fans that will suffer the most as they are usually involved in every unsavoury incident.

We really need to get this put to bed as soon as possible or the consequences will be another nail in the coffin for the Scottish game. The media have a lot to answer for but I just wish the fans had stayed in their seats and watched us parade the cup. It's a final that will never be forgotten, that's for sure. :agree:

[grunt]

The sheriff in 7.1.9 of his report puts the blame on fans behaviour as described in 7.1.2 which refers to the Hibs fans who crossed the half way line and provoked the Rangers fans.Thank you, I hadn't realised that. "Provoked the Rangers fans"?? Good grief. Are they so insecure that they can't take a bit of shouting from the winning team's fans? They shouldn't even have been there - the fans of any other club in the country would have exited the stadium and let us get on with celebrating. If that's the sheriff's conclusion then I am afraid I disagree with him.

I now understand the thread about advancing beyond the half way line - they seem to have made up a new rule about how fans can celebrate without telling us.

[CropleyWasGod]

Clarity Defo required in respect of Halliday! Sure I read that he was stood with the ref and McGeoch and Dyland confirmed via Social media that nothing occurred.

Maybe wrong but boy has all this been over dramatised!
Someone has been charged with assaulting Halliday.

I read the same as you did, but of course that's irrelevant until the case has been heard.

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[Aldo]

Someone has been charged with assaulting Halliday. I read the same as you did, but of course that's irrelevant until the case has been heard. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

Indeed.

Lots of if's and buts!!

[Jack Hackett]

As you say there are plenty covering those particular incidents and, as far as I am aware, the culprits have been dealt with by the courts and by the club. Rightly so. But a "severe kicking"? "medical assistance" ? Not offering justification but hardly.

That then challenges the credibility of the rest of the Sevco claims in that were all the camera's trained a particular air shot at the same time as other Sevco superstars were on the receiving end of said "severe kicking" (s) that was missed by every camera in the stadium?

We are now over three months down the line and nothing new is being offered that wasnt on you tube the day after.

The only 'severe kicking' evident in that video is meted out to a Hibee unfortunate enough to fall and be set upon by half a dozen or so orcs who thought that the odds were in their favour, and defended their players who were nowhere to be seen by the time it happened.

[Lago]

Thank you, I hadn't realised that. "Provoked the Rangers fans"?? Good grief. Are they so insecure that they can't take a bit of shouting from the winning team's fans? They shouldn't even have been there - the fans of any other club in the country would have exited the stadium and let us get on with celebrating. If that's the sheriff's conclusion then I am afraid I disagree with him.

I now understand the thread about advancing beyond the half way line - they seem to have made up a new rule about how fans can celebrate without telling us.
Fans should celebrate from the spectating area not on the field of play.

[grunt]

Fans should celebrate from the spectating area not on the field of play.

You often see pitch invasions. I'm sure people on here could provide a long list of pitch invasions from recent years.

The difference here was that in this case, the defeated opposition got involved.


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[Northernhibee]

Anyone recall our players being attacked at the play off game at Ibrox - being pelted with items including a drumstick etc at corner kicks? I'm sure that plenty of people on here have stories about being pelted with coins/bodily fluids etc as well over the years as I've read them before.

I wonder when we'll be hearing about the results of the independent investigation into that? :confused:

[Kato]

Anyone recall our players being attacked at the play off game at Ibrox - being pelted with items including a drumstick etc at corner kicks?
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According to Sportsound it was "just bits of paper".

[Northernhibee]

According to Sportsound it "just bits of paper".

Incredible restraint from the Sevco fans to only throw bits of paper (just forget all the other stuff).

[Kato]

Incredible restraint from the Sevco fans to only throw bits of paper (just forget all the other stuff).


We must have taunted and goaded them by winning some corners.

[davemcbain]

Anyone recall our players being attacked at the play off game at Ibrox - being pelted with items including a drumstick etc at corner kicks?

Match was halted by the referee twice as I recall - once for items being thrown at Oxley and againat a corner being taken I think by Lewis. Even if it was (as reported) "just paper" - you don't know that until it hits you. The police and stadium security most certainly would not know that without checking every single piece and were even less competent at that game than they were at the cup final.

I am sure it's something Hibs will bring up in October, but assault by our "supporters" on their players is no better than assault by their "supporters" on ours.

[cabbageandribs1875]

iirc it was actually 'one of their own' that they tossed 'just paper' at when taking a corner at the bigot dome....scott allan, not that it matters who it was right enough

[Springbank]

We must have taunted and goaded them by winning some corners.

I suspect if Jim traynor and dave king were pushed on this, they'd eventually find themselves saying hibs turning up to the stadium for the Cup final (that was rangers divine right to win) was provocation in itself. We should know our place...

[Carheenlea]

I was at that game, and there was a lot more than just balls of paper being thrown. The team should have been taken off the pitch and policing beefed up in front of the Broomloan before play being allowed to recommence.

[Col2]

Watched the cup final again for the 100th+ time today and watched the Sky coverage of pitch invasion afterwards almost frame by frame for the 90 secs or so when it kicked off.

Every frame of rangers players and staff didn't in any way look like they had been attached. If anything Warburton (is a fanny) was the only one showing any emotion with a shaking of the head.

It's been said a thousand times but the media response provoked by the Rangers statement and SFA statement meant that we were all quilty of the worst scenes at a football game in Scottish football history. Willie Miller's radio comment "this has set us back decades" and David Tanner (Sky) saying it was "like a scene out of world war 1" are just two examples of the mock outrage culture we now have in this country (UK).

[tamig]

You often see pitch invasions. I'm sure people on here could provide a long list of pitch invasions from recent years.

The difference here was that in this case, the defeated opposition got involved.


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Indeed. But some erses in our support thought the best way to celebrate what we have dreamed of all our lives was to head straight to the hun end and give it large in front of them. Sure, the hun should have walked away - even though they don't do that. But if the erseholes had just celebrated like the bulk of our support and the others on the pitch I'm sure the hun would not have come on to the pitch.

[Jonnyboy]

Watched the cup final again for the 100th+ time today and watched the Sky coverage of pitch invasion afterwards almost frame by frame for the 90 secs or so when it kicked off.

Every frame of rangers players and staff didn't in any way look like they had been attached. If anything Warburton (is a fanny) was the only one showing any emotion with a shaking of the head.

It's been said a thousand times but the media response provoked by the Rangers statement and SFA statement meant that we were all quilty of the worst scenes at a football game in Scottish football history. Willie Miller's radio comment "this has set us back decades" and David Tanner (Sky) saying it was "like a scene out of world war 1" are just two examples of the mock outrage culture we now have in this country (UK).

This. 100%

Jabba was in the tunnel reading his statement before all the fans were off the pitch. It was a deliberate ploy to motivate the MSM to jump on his 'headline making' points.

I've just listened to the BBC Podcast with Richard Gordon at the helm and I was so proud of Fyvie, Stokes, LD and AS who all refused to be goaded (it's a The Rangers thing) by Chick Young into discussing and condemning those fans on the pitch. Willie Miller was a disgrace as was Chick Young in comparing it to the riot of 1980 but hey, it all deflected from the fact that Rangers had lost

[mjhibby]

Watched the cup final again for the 100th+ time today and watched the Sky coverage of pitch invasion afterwards almost frame by frame for the 90 secs or so when it kicked off.

Every frame of rangers players and staff didn't in any way look like they had been attached. If anything Warburton (is a fanny) was the only one showing any emotion with a shaking of the head.

It's been said a thousand times but the media response provoked by the Rangers statement and SFA statement meant that we were all quilty of the worst scenes at a football game in Scottish football history. Willie Miller's radio comment "this has set us back decades" and David Tanner (Sky) saying it was "like a scene out of world war 1" are just two examples of the mock outrage culture we now have in this country (UK).

Listening back to tam Cowan on off the ball he and chick Young's reaction are so damn ott as to be off the Richter scale. Stuart Cosgrove's reasoned summation was superb and captured it perfectly. The hysteria was caused by the pathetic traynor rant which has set Scottish football back years and has soured relations with our club but I'm sure the likes of the dons etc. He now has his club even more intensely disliked than they probably have ever been and eventually this will lead to trouble. Everybody connected to the rangers should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for their inflammatory statements. The hibs fans who gouded the the rangers fans should take a good look at themselves but had they not reacted as they did including an horrible assault on a hibs fan on the ground,a sevco official kicking out and trying to grab a young hibs fan then the whole scenario wouldn't have happened. The whole episode sums up Scottish football with everything having to run to suit the bigot bros. It's an embarrassment to scotland and is stain on the country till it ends. Rant well and truly over. Apologies for the length but this has bugging me so much I had to let off steam.

[JimBHibees]

Indeed. But some erses in our support thought the best way to celebrate what we have dreamed of all our lives was to head straight to the hun end and give it large in front of them. Sure, the hun should have walked away - even though they don't do that. But if the erseholes had just celebrated like the bulk of our support and the others on the pitch I'm sure the hun would not have come on to the pitch.

Disagree they were coming on whatever it's what they do. Heard a story of a Rangers fan running on and attacking folk who apparently has previous. Got back to the bus he was on then remembering he had went to the game with his 7-8 year old son who was sitting in a ball in his seat. Classy.

[northstandhibby]

Listening back to tam Cowan on off the ball he and chick Young's reaction are so damn ott as to be off the Richter scale. Stuart Cosgrove's reasoned summation was superb and captured it perfectly. The hysteria was caused by the pathetic traynor rant which has set Scottish football back years and has soured relations with our club but I'm sure the likes of the dons etc. He now has his club even more intensely disliked than they probably have ever been and eventually this will lead to trouble. Everybody connected to the rangers should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for their inflammatory statements. The hibs fans who gouded the the rangers fans should take a good look at themselves but had they not reacted as they did including an horrible assault on a hibs fan on the ground,a sevco official kicking out and trying to grab a young hibs fan then the whole scenario wouldn't have happened. The whole episode sums up Scottish football with everything having to run to suit the bigot bros. It's an embarrassment to scotland and is stain on the country till it ends. Rant well and truly over. Apologies for the length but this has bugging me so much I had to let off steam.

For me he portrays everything that's wrong with scottish football. An odious little sneering hun who pretends to be a st mirren fan. We need fundamental change to get rid of the hun bigots like young and traynor. Moving Hampden and the SFA out from the west coast would be a good start.

Very well put mjhibby.




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[Northernhibee]

For me he portrays everything that's wrong with scottish football. An odious little sneering hun who pretends to be a st mirren fan. We need fundamental change to get rid of the hun bigots like young and traynor. Moving Hampden and the SFA out from the west coast would be a good start.

Very well put mjhibby.




GGTTH

The same Chick Young who was on the pitch at Wembley when the goalposts were broken etc. etc. etc.

[JimBHibees]

The same Chick Young who was on the pitch at Wembley when the goalposts were broken etc. etc. etc.

And thought it was hysterical. More faces than the town clock.

[Iggy Pope]

Someone has been charged with assaulting Halliday.

I read the same as you did, but of course that's irrelevant until the case has been heard.

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Common assaults in a few cases and pretty irrelevant to the club itself then? I once got a kicking in Trongate after a game at Parkhead. Celtic weren't charged.

[matty_f]

Apologies in advance, but I found this compilation of clips on a Huns fan forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAmYuF5qEf8&feature=youtu.be

Plenty of assaults shown. First time I've seen a clip of Foderingham being pushed.
Very little by way of evidence of The Rangers players betting assaulted though.

[ancient hibee]

:flag:
Common assaults in a few cases and pretty irrelevant to the club itself then? I once got a kicking in Trongate after a game at Parkhead. Celtic weren't charged.

As far as I'm aware there is nothing that allows the SFA to particularly home in on any alleged assaults which can only be dealt with by the police.Hence the notices to Hibs and rangers only dealing with the failure to control and damage.Much to the annoyance of the Rangers board who of course want new rules brought in.They may change their tune if as I suspect the majority of assault charges are against rangers fans,presumably because more of them are already known to the Glasgow polis.

[Northernhibee]

Very little by way of evidence of The Rangers players betting assaulted though.

What you can see from that is as follows:


FT whistle goes
Fans come onto the pitch - one pushes their goalie, another individual has a go at Halliday (could be wrong, correct me if I am, but both have now been dealt with)
Sevco fans come onto the pitch and dish out a kicking to a Hibs fan on the ground
Tensions rise between the two, a minority of Hibs fans on the pitch and also some Sevco fans shouting things like "See you outside" etc
Sevco fans start singing sectarian songs
Police horses seperate the two sets of fans

[Northernhibee]

Remember, just a year ago:


https://youtu.be/fQNtXm1WLDo

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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The Daily Record, and whoever at rangers fed the lie, should be forced into an apology. We received an apology from the EEN this week and this is a far, far worse lie. Sickening front page that gets more ridiculous with each passing day.

[renato]

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[Bostonhibby]

And thought it was hysterical. More faces than the town clock.
Roaster, an inadequate wee creep but there's no way he's two or more faced or he'd never have stuck with the current one for so long.

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[Northernhibee]

If anything, none of this would have happened if Hearts could have held on to a two goal lead. At home. With ten minutes left to play. Against the wee team.

It's all Robbie Nielsons fault, better strip Hearts of their last Scottish Cup, if it wasn't for him we'd never have been at Hampden :greengrin

[jacomo]

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That was a different club.

[Onion]

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The Daily Record, and whoever at rangers fed the lie, should be forced into an apology. We received an apology from the EEN this week and this is a far, far worse lie. Sickening front page that gets more ridiculous with each passing day.

Haven't seen that front page before, and wish I hadn't. Beyond disgraceful. They've deliberately tried to attach those defamatory lies to the Hibs players and team, who did nothing other than beat Sevco fair and square. Disgusting by Daily Record.

Hibs should force the DR to provide proof of those claims or apologise. Until they do, we should simply ban them from attending press conferences and from ER.

[GreenOnions]

You often see pitch invasions. I'm sure people on here could provide a long list of pitch invasions from recent years.

The difference here was that in this case, the defeated opposition got involved.


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The first part of your post is 100% correct and something the DR has conveniently forgotten about.

The second part is only half right. Most pitch invasions don't involve fans trying to physically intimiate players and vandalising the pitch/goalposts etc. The media have greatly exaggerated this of course to please their readers but these incidents DID happen. Rangers players were at their place of work. No-one should have to accept physical intimidation at work from anyone.

The tabloids have reported this in their usual lamentable way but they're not the only ones who should take a long, hard look at themselves. Those "Hibs fans" who got involved with Rangers players and/or damaged the goalposts/pitch should do so too.

[Mikey09]

Boils down to the fact Chick Young and his Rangers loving pals in the media couldn't stomach the fact their team were beaten in that fashion. Unfortunately some erses gave them an excuse to peddle their pish. Have no doubt we will get shafted. What happened was unacceptable but has been made into something way worse than what it was.

[southsider]

Boils down to the fact Chick Young and his Rangers loving pals in the media couldn't stomach the fact their team were beaten in that fashion. Unfortunately some erses gave them an excuse to peddle their pish. Have no doubt we will get shafted. What happened was unacceptable but has been made into something way worse than what it was.
This from today's Express just about nails it. 'Chief Supt McInulty also revealed the findings of Mays Scottish Cup debacle which saw hundreds of Hibs fans storm the pitch TO BE THEN CONFRONTED by rangers supporters following their last minute winner over the Ibrox club.'

[Hibs Class]

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The Daily Record, and whoever at rangers fed the lie, should be forced into an apology. We received an apology from the EEN this week and this is a far, far worse lie. Sickening front page that gets more ridiculous with each passing day.

The DR and sevco have both had difficulty counting stars for several years now. The correct answer is usually zero.

[itslegaltender]

Not seen this footage before, from the Huns side in the West Stand. Its from the point all the fighting had stopped. very funny moments hearing their despair.

What is interesting is that I thought the Hibs fans in the stands had shouted "off, off" to the ones on the pitch and this confirms it (from about 7 mins in). Think it was to do with the announcer saying at one point there would be no presentation. That was my fear, that we would end up not seeing them lift the trophy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KpEp3zFsP4

[itslegaltender]

another interesting one simply for at 1 min 28, Halliday still on the pitch, not in fear of his safety, clapping Rangers fans then walking towards changing rooms. Was he not supposed to have been "guarded " by linesman and referee from marauding Hibs fans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTsddR2T7w

[Captain Trips]

I think that story needs properly exposed, that headline and the first few sentences have absolutely didn't happen. "Every member of the rangers was either assaulted or spat upon"

This story is fabrication and Jackson should not get away with it. Can we in numbers do something similar to what Keekaboo did or is it to late.

Jackson has been involved with Hibs in the wrong way once to often.

[Liberal Hibby]

another interesting one simply for at 1 min 28, Halliday still on the pitch, not in fear of his safety, clapping Rangers fans then walking towards changing rooms. Was he not supposed to have been "guarded " by linesman and referee from marauding Hibs fans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTsddR2T7w

And several Rangers fans easily identifiable singing 'Hullo hullo' with full sectarian verses...

[Springbank]

another interesting one simply for at 1 min 28, Halliday still on the pitch, not in fear of his safety, clapping Rangers fans then walking towards changing rooms. Was he not supposed to have been "guarded " by linesman and referee from marauding Hibs fans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTsddR2T7w

This would be useful to bring to the attention of the powers that be at Hibs, to present at the hearing

[hibbysam]

This would be useful to bring to the attention of the powers that be at Hibs, to present at the hearing

Why? The hearing has absolutely nothing to do with players being "assaulted", we have been charged for breaking goalposts, tearing up the pitch and destroying normal and electronic advertising boards... This all happened.

[CropleyWasGod]

This would be useful to bring to the attention of the powers that be at Hibs, to present at the hearing
There's a court case pending involving an alleged assault against Halliday, so that's not going to happen :)

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[matty_f]

Couple of things. Always remember that some Hibs fans decided to behave badly on the pitch. Every The Rangers fan that came on the pitch did so to fight.

With regards to the goading, it's a fairly weak point to make but it does look, from the footage, that Hibs fans went towards The Rangers fans who were shooting abuse at the Hibs fans. There is an argument to bed made that it was Hibs fans, and not The Rangers fans who reacted to severe and prolonged provocation - especially when you take into account the sectarian abuse we have taken from those same fans for many, many years.

[Sprouleflyer]

Couple of things. Always remember that some Hibs fans decided to behave badly on the pitch. Every The Rangers fan that came on the pitch did so to fight.

With regards to the goading, it's a fairly weak point to make but it does look, from the footage, that Hibs fans went towards The Rangers fans who were shooting abuse at the Hibs fans. There is an argument to bed made that it was Hibs fans, and not The Rangers fans who reacted to severe and prolonged provocation - especially when you take into account the sectarian abuse we have taken from those same fans for many, many years.

:agree: Goading opposing fans happens at any game and can last for the whole 90 minutes, that's part of what creates the atmosphere. If goading was an offence, then every one of the Hibs support at Tynie earlier this year would have been arrested at full time.

Hibs fans goaded the The Rangers fans for 10 seconds before they piled onto the pitch. Hibs fans on the other hand had to endure 94 minutes of goading before we piled onto the pitch.

[lucky]

These videos don't help Hibs case. Sadly a few bams were intent on fighting Rangers bams is clear for all to see. There is no doubt that Rangers as a club have lied about events but most football fans know this. Clearly the SFA are not buying their crap either. Both clubs will be fined. They'll shout and moan again about it

[marinello59]

:agree: Goading opposing fans happens at any game and can last for the whole 90 minutes, that's part of what creates the atmosphere. If goading was an offence, then every one of the Hibs support at Tynie earlier this year would have been arrested at full time.

Hibs fans goaded the The Rangers fans for 10 seconds before they piled onto the pitch. Hibs fans on the other hand had to endure 94 minutes of goading before we piled onto the pitch.

What 94 minutes of goading? Seriously? Some of the whataboutery and green tinted spin of what actually happened that day is topping the Old Firm at their worst.
Most Hibs fans on the pitch were just celebrating. A handful of fans from both sides misbehaved so both clubs will be fined. It really is that simple.

[Jack]

These videos don't help Hibs case. Sadly a few bams were intent on fighting Rangers bams is clear for all to see. There is no doubt that Rangers as a club have lied about events but most football fans know this. Clearly the SFA are not buying their crap either. Both clubs will be fined. They'll shout and moan again about it

I don't think it's clear at all that Hibs fans went on the pitch intent on fighting the sevcovians. It was only when the unprecedented action of the loosers coming on to the pitch that made fighting inevitable.

In the normal run of pitch invasions that I've seen live or on the telly the loosers are only too keen to get out the stadium as quickly as possible and respond to any 'goading' with with a flash of the vickies and a F you!

In the UK I'd expect the worst that would have happened between both sets of supporters would be a bit of pavement, trackside, dancing. Unfortunately we were up against the zombies with their previous. They don't just wreck stadia, they wreck cities.

[Jack]

Couple of things. Always remember that some Hibs fans decided to behave badly on the pitch. Every The Rangers fan that came on the pitch did so to fight.

With regards to the goading, it's a fairly weak point to make but it does look, from the footage, that Hibs fans went towards The Rangers fans who were shooting abuse at the Hibs fans. There is an argument to bed made that it was Hibs fans, and not The Rangers fans who reacted to severe and prolonged provocation - especially when you take into account the sectarian abuse we have taken from those same fans for many, many years.

With regard to your first statement I've been looking at stats on this but I've been unable to find proper figures so bare with me on fag packet calculations.

2,000 Hibs fans on the pitch.

200, described as a couple of hundred, sevcovians.

60 or so arrests. Roughly 10 of us and 50 of them.

Our 10 divides up as 2 (0.1% of those on the pitch) for violence against their players. 8 (0.4%) for vandalism, ripping up the turf and goalposts.

Their 50 (25%) are for acts of violence.

Of course these figures are subject to change as the courts deal with the miscreants.

It perhaps indicates why the CO appeared more keen to deal with vandalism rather than other criminal activity such as the violence, the singing of sectarian songs and pyrotechnics.

[CropleyWasGod]

With regard to your first statement I've been looking at stats on this but I've been unable to find proper figures so bare with me on fag packet calculations.

2,000 Hibs fans on the pitch.

200, described as a couple of hundred, sevcovians.

60 or so arrests. Roughly 10 of us and 50 of them.

Our 10 divides up as 2 (0.1% of those on the pitch) for violence against their players. 8 (0.4%) for vandalism, ripping up the turf and goalposts.

Their 50 (25%) are for acts of violence.

Of course these figures are subject to change as the courts deal with the miscreants.

It perhaps indicates why the CO appeared more keen to deal with vandalism rather than other criminal activity such as the violence, the singing of sectarian songs and pyrotechnics.
It's been said before that the CO has no jurisdiction over those issues. They are legal issues.

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[northstandhibby]

Couple of things. Always remember that some Hibs fans decided to behave badly on the pitch. Every The Rangers fan that came on the pitch did so to fight.

With regards to the goading, it's a fairly weak point to make but it does look, from the footage, that Hibs fans went towards The Rangers fans who were shooting abuse at the Hibs fans. There is an argument to bed made that it was Hibs fans, and not The Rangers fans who reacted to severe and prolonged provocation - especially when you take into account the sectarian abuse we have taken from those same fans for many, many years.

:top marks

Add in the coins, pies, spit, darts etcetera that would rain down on us at the neanderthal castle while the not so active strathclyde police watched on.



GGTTH

[Jack]

It's been said before that the CO has no jurisdiction over those issues. They are legal issues.

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While I agree with what you've said, given what's happened so far, vandalism is as much a criminal act as the others. It would seem the CO can pick and choose which criminal acts, carried out by the supporters, he holds the club responsible for.

On a different note.

Up till now I've thought the club receiving a fine that covers the cost of this fair enough but should the authorities not be seeking compensation from those found guilty of the damage? I'm fairly certain that happens in other similar cases.

[CropleyWasGod]

While I agree with what you've said, given what's happened so far, vandalism is as much a criminal act as the others. It would seem the CO can pick and choose which criminal acts, carried out by the supporters, he holds the club responsible for.

On a different note.

Up till now I've thought the club receiving a fine that covers the cost of this fair enough but should the authorities not be seeking compensation from those found guilty of the damage? I'm fairly certain that happens in other similar cases.
On the first point, I think the argument is that the SFA rules don't cover those other acts. So the CO has no authority.

On the second, the rules are clear. We are responsible. Whether the club then seeks recompense from the individuals....and to what extent insurance might help....that's a new can of spiders :)

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[Captain Trips]

Sent this to Record;

Your paper printed a Headine on the 23rd of May this year stating that on the day of the Scottish Cup Final that during the pitch invasion after the final whistle that "every member of the rangers team was assaulted or spat upon"

This story was written by Keith Jackson. The story is simply a disgrace as this simply isn't true it never happened and it appears Mr Jackson went to print without any proof or facts. We are now several months on and there is no proof or any evidence whatsoever that "every The Rangers player was assaulted or spat on"

No evidence has come to light and it never will as this front page story is nothing more than fabrication and journalism at its worse. To have sloppy fact finding and then going to print and tarnishing fans of club is unacceptable for what really should be Scotlands flagship paper.

Here is my take on the Daily Records agenda. If The Rangers or Celtic are playing any other club the paper will show bias towards The Rangers or Celtic. You simply do not care about spinning stories in a light favoring either half of OF as it is clear you need to keep onside with them as this is your best area of paper circulation.

Keith Jackson has went with lies that he never checked because he didn't want to check them.

I would be interested in your thoughts on that headline and will loom on with interest at how you deal with The Rangers wrecking the toilets at Celtic Park as you will need to take some sort of stance.

I have a suggestion for Monday's paper headline "6 CELTIC CUBICLES BATTERED AND KICKED UPON"

I think ideally based on the lack of evidence on cup final day a retraction by Mr Jackson should be happening. You are supposed to be a newspaper not a comic.

I am very much doubting I will hear anything back from this and if I do lip service at best.

Regards

[Cabbage East]

Please tell me you didn't send that.

[Captain Trips]

Please tell me you didn't send that.

Ok, I didn't nt send that.

[Captain Trips]

Ok, I didn't nt send that.

This is reply:

Dear Mr King

Thank you for your most recent email.

The article you mention was based on eye-witness accounts and the scenes witnessed by our own journalists at the game. What is not in dispute, hopefully, is that several members of the Rangers team were attacked, either verbally or physically. If it turned out to be one or two less than the original figure of 11, then frankly, that would not be considered a significant inaccuracy.

Regards

Jonathan Russell

[CropleyWasGod]

This is reply:

Dear Mr King

Thank you for your most recent email.

The article you mention was based on eye-witness accounts and the scenes witnessed by our own journalists at the game. What is not in dispute, hopefully, is that several members of the Rangers team were attacked, either verbally or physically. If it turned out to be one or two less than the original figure of 11, then frankly, that would not be considered a significant inaccuracy.

Regards

Jonathan Russell

One wonders what he would say if "it turned out to be " 9 or 10 less.

[oldbutdim]

This is reply:

Dear Mr King

Thank you for your most recent email.

The article you mention was based on eye-witness accounts and the scenes witnessed by our own journalists at the game. What is not in dispute, hopefully, is that several members of the Rangers team were attacked, either verbally or physically. If it turned out to be one or two less than the original figure of 11, then frankly, that would not be considered a significant inaccuracy.

Regards

Jonathan Russell

Ah!

It appears that some of them may well have endured a 'verbal kicking' then.

Attacked verbally.
O.
Ma.
Sides.

[Since90+2]

Verbally attacked? Each time we play at Ibrox our entire team are verbally attacked.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

This is reply:

Dear Mr King

Thank you for your most recent email.

The article you mention was based on eye-witness accounts and the scenes witnessed by our own journalists at the game. What is not in dispute, hopefully, is that several members of the Rangers team were attacked, either verbally or physically. If it turned out to be one or two less than the original figure of 11, then frankly, that would not be considered a significant inaccuracy.

Regards

Jonathan Russell

Have you replied yet?

I'd be suggesting that 5 or 6 players- at very most-is nowhere near 11 so that is definitely an inaccuracy. To also confidently claim that every member of the team was attacked is a blatant lie.
I'd also suggest that eye witness accounts from well known rangers fans-such as Jackson doesn't really count considering their complete bias.
Also ask for any proof of spitting as they are the only source to claim that. That is a complete lie made up by fanny baws Jackson as he's sat in his house livid the night of the final.

[lapsedhibee]

Ah!

It appears that some of them may well have endured a 'verbal kicking' then.

Attacked verbally.
O.
Ma.
Sides.

They were visually attacked also. In one of the vids floating around there's clear evidence of a Hibs fan pulling a face at a The Sevco player.

[Mellow Hibee]

Verbally attacked! Good grief.


Anyway, I always thought it was a bit odd that a couple of players wives/GF's tweeted that they hadn't been hurt but no payers did so. I wonder how much control Rangers have over what their players make public? (and also whether some players had the decency to make sure the truth got out without dropping themselves in it.)

[kaimendhibs]

Verbally attacked 😂😂

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[The Green Goblin]

This is reply:

Dear Mr King

Thank you for your most recent email.

The article you mention was based on eye-witness accounts and the scenes witnessed by our own journalists at the game. What is not in dispute, hopefully, is that several members of the Rangers team were attacked, either verbally or physically. If it turned out to be one or two less than the original figure of 11, then frankly, that would not be considered a significant inaccuracy.

Regards

Jonathan Russell

1. Eye-witness accounts are not objective facts
2. "Hopefully"????
3. "If" means they admit they have no idea whatsoever.
4. "Verbally attacked" :faf:

[Bostonhibby]

Wish I'd been verbally attacked at ibrox instead of having to wipe spit off my jacket and the wife's head. Did get a wee bit of verbal assault from the smirking copper we complained too but it was a while ago before Glasgow rangers ceased to exist.

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[MrSmith]

Wish I'd been verbally attacked at ibrox instead of having to wipe spit off my jacket and the wife's head. Did get a wee bit of verbal assault from the smirking copper we complained too but it was a while ago before Glasgow rangers ceased to exist.

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Just for info, Keith Jackson was not at the final. There are no eye witnesses, just simple liars! I have called out a few of them on Twitter, called them liars and fabricators while inviting them to prove me wrong or take me to court for defamation ... To date, neither has happened. I may step it up a bit though - in a more challenging manner not abusive - as I guess they are scared to go down the legal route due to the fact that their lies would be disproven and many of those peddling such untruths would find themselves in a really bad place!

[Captain Trips]

I sent following:

Dear Jonathan


"The article you mention was based on eye-witness accounts and the scenes witnessed by our own journalists at the game. What is not in dispute, hopefully, is that several members of the Rangers team were attacked, either verbally or physically"

Ok eye witness accounts and what you say your journalists saw at the game was that between you all, you all managed to see "every player" being assaulted or spat on between you all? So in cold light of day when putting everything together you were happy that every player had been assaulted in one form or other.

"Verbally" unless your witnesses were next to players or are good lip readers I do not think any substance can go into that. With all the idiots fighting up at the The Rangers end whom from the Hibs side are idiots also we have plenty of photo and video evidence of assaults right left and center.

I find it strange that if even 7 or 8 of The Rangers players were assaulted we only have the Rangers keeper on film being jostled and then at that he still walks off, as do several of the other players who look no worse for wear. When Kenny Millers partner tweeted he had not been touched I think that was the time to evaluate exactly what went on from your POV

When you printed the story it was as you say based on your own reporters witnessing, yet you still printed "all players" when it wasnt all players therefore that must bring into severe doubt the accuracy what they saw.

So I take it your journalists went to the Police to report the assaults? Or at least were witness at any trials? I,ll answer that for you NO.

There is no actual proof of even several players being assaulted verbally physically or spat on. It appears you have went with a story full of holes just to make headlines, the fact you stated well if it were one or two less that wouldnt matter, why would you sy if it were one or two less? You stated you had witness accounts etc so its either every player or not.

There is no proof at all and you have never displayed any that any significant number of players were assaulted in any manner yet you printed it, to be honest it is pathetic journalism based on hoping stuff happened as its more interesting than the actual facts of a bit of jostling with 2/3 players and an idiot taking a swing at somebody.

Regards
Paul

[Captain Trips]

There reply:

Your comments and opinions are noted.

Regards

Jonathan Russell


His email is:

[email protected]

Pedalling lies is there game

[CentreLine]

Just for info, Keith Jackson was not at the final. There are no eye witnesses, just simple liars! I have called out a few of them on Twitter, called them liars and fabricators while inviting them to prove me wrong or take me to court for defamation ... To date, neither has happened. I may step it up a bit though - in a more challenging manner not abusive - as I guess they are scared to go down the legal route due to the fact that their lies would be disproven and many of those peddling such untruths would find themselves in a really bad place!

Just watch out for the subtle changes to what they claim to have said. Already it seems we have gone from "all 11 players assaulted" to "some verbally abused". Revisionism is a common symptom of bad journalism and you are dealing with VERY bad journaism.

[The Green Goblin]

Just watch out for the subtle changes to what they claim to have said. Already it seems we have gone from "all 11 players assaulted" to "some verbally abused". Revisionism is a common symptom of bad journalism and you are dealing with VERY bad journaism.

I think "journalism" is a very generous term for it.

[Bostonhibby]

Just for info, Keith Jackson was not at the final. There are no eye witnesses, just simple liars! I have called out a few of them on Twitter, called them liars and fabricators while inviting them to prove me wrong or take me to court for defamation ... To date, neither has happened. I may step it up a bit though - in a more challenging manner not abusive - as I guess they are scared to go down the legal route due to the fact that their lies would be disproven and many of those peddling such untruths would find themselves in a really bad place!
Good luck with it, as you say, simple and liars! Has Jackson said he was there and where he was sitting if he was?

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[CentreLine]

I think "journalism" is a very generous term for it.

:agree:

[magpie1892]

Good luck with it, as you say, simple and liars! Has Jackson said he was there and where he was sitting if he was?

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He wasn't in the press area that day - he may well have been in the the rangers' end though?

[MrSmith]

Good luck with it, as you say, simple and liars! Has Jackson said he was there and where he was sitting if he was?
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The only reason I know that he wasn't there, is down to IPSO finding his report ok! I'll find the ruling and post it.

[Captain Trips]

The only reason I know that he wasn't there, is down to IPSO finding his report ok! I'll find the ruling and post it.

I urge all of you to contact IPSO website, I have just put in a complaint regarding the story and the site is excellent done in under 5mins

[greenteam]

I urge all of you to contact IPSO website, I have just put in a complaint regarding the story and the site is excellent done in under 5mins

I saw kenny miller being attacked by a very dangerous looking high-5
His mrs was one of the people who publicly stated that nothing bad happened yo Kenny...

[fiolex1]

Any idea when are due to find out the punishment? Seems to be taking ages! We need to put this to bed and move on

[JimBHibees]

Any idea when are due to find out the punishment? Seems to be taking ages! We need to put this to bed and move on

Think there was a date Hibs had to respond to the complaint pretty sure that has now past with a date in the first week of October for a hearing into the intended punishment.

[fiolex1]

Think there was a date Hibs had to respond to the complaint pretty sure that has now past with a date in the first week of October for a hearing into the intended punishment.

Cheers

[Keith_M]

The Daily Record printed a lie. The Daily Record know they printed a lie. They are not willing to admit it.


Complaining to them is pointless, they simply couldn't care less.


IPSO is the only option, though I have very little faith in them either.

[hibsbollah]

The Daily Record printed a lie. The Daily Record know they printed a lie. They are not willing to admit it.


Complaining to them is pointless, they simply couldn't care less.


IPSO is the only option, though I have very little faith in them either.

IPSO are currently being hauled over the coals by the Commons Select Committee for being toothless. Their chairman was on the Today programme yesterday giving a ridiculous performance trying to defend the fact they have never once fined a newspaper ever, despite getting new powers. He even said he 'wouldn't welcome' more power over the newspaper owners!! What kind of attitude is that for a watchdog to have?

So counterintuitively, a complaint to IPSO now might have more chance of success than before this political ****storm started.

[bingo70]

Notice from Twitter Hibs are on the back page of the daily record as we've brought in the SPFL lawyer to defend us which is apparently raising a few eye browse behind the scenes.

I'm not about to buy the paper or open a link, anyone got any more details on the story?

[staunchhibby]

Hope they are using a lawyer.

[Ronniekirk]

Notice from Twitter Hibs are on the back page of the daily record as we've brought in the SPFL lawyer to defend us which is apparently raising a few eye browse behind the scenes.

I'm not about to buy the paper or open a link, anyone got any more details on the story?

Interesting development but no doubt the record will have the rrangers slant so wont be reading it

[Keith_M]

Have they tracked down and questioned the two T'Rangers Child Abductors yet?

[Jack]

HIBS have controversially turned to the lawyer for the SPFL to lead their fight against charges brought by the SFA .

Eyebrows have been raised after Hibs engaged the services of Rod McKenzie of top legal firm Harper Macleod to take on SFA prosecutor Tony McGlennan.

The compliance officer charged the Easter Road club for the damage caused to the pitch, goalposts and advertising boards by fans following the chaotic scenes at the Scottish Cup Final

Leading figures at Hampden have taken the view McKenzie’s work for Hibs is a conflict of interest, morally if not legally, and possibly a move to antagonise the SFA even though Hibs chairman Rod Petrie is vice-president of the game’s governing body.


Others see McKenzie’s hiring as a new move in the power struggle between the SPFL and the SFA, perhaps aimed at undermining SFA chief executive Stewart Regan.

Regan has been under pressure recently and if justice is not seen to be done after the scenes of violence that marred the final, his position could become perilous.

One source said: “It’s astonishing McKenzie has been allowed to take a role in such a high-profile and sensitive case.

"It’s also incredible Rod Petrie has hired the SPFL’s lawyer in a bid to ride a legal coach and horses through SFA articles of association he helps oversee.”

Scottish Cup final arrests hit 70 as police swoop on five men
McKenzie, Hibs and the SPFL declined to comment, although sources point out Harper Macleod are the leading sports law practitioner in Scotland.

Rangers are charged with damage caused by their fans to advertising boards. They and Hibs had until September 6 to respond to McGlennan.

Principal hearing dates have been set for Hibs on October 4 and Rangers on October 5. Rangers and the SFA also declined to comment.

[grunt]

Regan has been under pressure recently and if justice is not seen to be done after the scenes of violence that marred the final, his position could become perilous.Sensationalist rubbish.

[Mellow Hibee]

HIBS have controversially turned to the lawyer for the SPFL to lead their fight against charges brought by the SFA .

Eyebrows have been raised after Hibs engaged the services of Rod McKenzie of top legal firm Harper Macleod to take on SFA prosecutor Tony McGlennan.

The compliance officer charged the Easter Road club for the damage caused to the pitch, goalposts and advertising boards by fans following the chaotic scenes at the Scottish Cup Final

Leading figures at Hampden have taken the view McKenzie’s work for Hibs is a conflict of interest, morally if not legally, and possibly a move to antagonise the SFA even though Hibs chairman Rod Petrie is vice-president of the game’s governing body.


Others see McKenzie’s hiring as a new move in the power struggle between the SPFL and the SFA, perhaps aimed at undermining SFA chief executive Stewart Regan.

Regan has been under pressure recently and if justice is not seen to be done after the scenes of violence that marred the final, his position could become perilous.

One source said: “It’s astonishing McKenzie has been allowed to take a role in such a high-profile and sensitive case.

"It’s also incredible Rod Petrie has hired the SPFL’s lawyer in a bid to ride a legal coach and horses through SFA articles of association he helps oversee.”

Scottish Cup final arrests hit 70 as police swoop on five men
McKenzie, Hibs and the SPFL declined to comment, although sources point out Harper Macleod are the leading sports law practitioner in Scotland.

Rangers are charged with damage caused by their fans to advertising boards. They and Hibs had until September 6 to respond to McGlennan.

Principal hearing dates have been set for Hibs on October 4 and Rangers on October 5. Rangers and the SFA also declined to comment.

I don't understand the full background to this - perhaps there are political moves being made, but other than that it just seems that hibs are quietly going about their business making sure that they are well represented and that nobody bows to pressure from Rangers or the media.

[banchoryhibs]

Fergus McCann successfuly used the legal system to overcome prejudice and discrimination, his actions were severly criticised at the time but he was right to do so.
Rod will know better than anyone if we can trust the SFA to come to a completely fair and transparent judgement left to its own devices, interesting that we have resorted to instructing a legal team....

[marinello59]

HIBS have controversially turned to the lawyer for the SPFL to lead their fight against charges brought by the SFA .

Eyebrows have been raised after Hibs engaged the services of Rod McKenzie of top legal firm Harper Macleod to take on SFA prosecutor Tony McGlennan.

The compliance officer charged the Easter Road club for the damage caused to the pitch, goalposts and advertising boards by fans following the chaotic scenes at the Scottish Cup Final

Leading figures at Hampden have taken the view McKenzie’s work for Hibs is a conflict of interest, morally if not legally, and possibly a move to antagonise the SFA even though Hibs chairman Rod Petrie is vice-president of the game’s governing body.


Others see McKenzie’s hiring as a new move in the power struggle between the SPFL and the SFA, perhaps aimed at undermining SFA chief executive Stewart Regan.

Regan has been under pressure recently and if justice is not seen to be done after the scenes of violence that marred the final, his position could become perilous.

One source said: “It’s astonishing McKenzie has been allowed to take a role in such a high-profile and sensitive case.

"It’s also incredible Rod Petrie has hired the SPFL’s lawyer in a bid to ride a legal coach and horses through SFA articles of association he helps oversee.”

Scottish Cup final arrests hit 70 as police swoop on five men
McKenzie, Hibs and the SPFL declined to comment, although sources point out Harper Macleod are the leading sports law practitioner in Scotland.

Rangers are charged with damage caused by their fans to advertising boards. They and Hibs had until September 6 to respond to McGlennan.

Principal hearing dates have been set for Hibs on October 4 and Rangers on October 5. Rangers and the SFA also declined to comment.

The story here is really "Hibs do things properly."

[SHODAN]

Hibs employ a lawyer, Rangers release statements criticising Hibs employing a lawyer.

[northstandhibby]

HIBS have controversially turned to the lawyer for the SPFL to lead their fight against charges brought by the SFA .

Eyebrows have been raised after Hibs engaged the services of Rod McKenzie of top legal firm Harper Macleod to take on SFA prosecutor Tony McGlennan.

The compliance officer charged the Easter Road club for the damage caused to the pitch, goalposts and advertising boards by fans following the chaotic scenes at the Scottish Cup Final

Leading figures at Hampden have taken the view McKenzie’s work for Hibs is a conflict of interest, morally if not legally, and possibly a move to antagonise the SFA even though Hibs chairman Rod Petrie is vice-president of the game’s governing body.


Others see McKenzie’s hiring as a new move in the power struggle between the SPFL and the SFA, perhaps aimed at undermining SFA chief executive Stewart Regan.

Regan has been under pressure recently and if justice is not seen to be done after the scenes of violence that marred the final, his position could become perilous.

One source said: “It’s astonishing McKenzie has been allowed to take a role in such a high-profile and sensitive case.

"It’s also incredible Rod Petrie has hired the SPFL’s lawyer in a bid to ride a legal coach and horses through SFA articles of association he helps oversee.”

Scottish Cup final arrests hit 70 as police swoop on five men
McKenzie, Hibs and the SPFL declined to comment, although sources point out Harper Macleod are the leading sports law practitioner in Scotland.

Rangers are charged with damage caused by their fans to advertising boards. They and Hibs had until September 6 to respond to McGlennan.

Principal hearing dates have been set for Hibs on October 4 and Rangers on October 5. Rangers and the SFA also declined to comment.

The 'reporting' appears to be suggestive of a conspiracy theory. The language is emotive and dramatic. The gist of it seems to be Hibernian are preparing to take on the SFA by the hiring of an established sports litigation lawyer who also works with the SPFL. It suggests the SFA blazers are grumbling about it.

It seems to me the blazers were expecting Hibernian to lie down and take what was coming to them by the blazers who are mainly huns in disguise and have been put under pressure from the lying king and his media cohorts traynor and jackshun to come down heavily on Hibernian.

It would appear Hibernian are not willing to roll over and be overly punished.

Well done Rod for taking the blazers on if that is what is intended by hiring an established sports litigation lawyer.

:thumbsup:



GGTTH

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I'm guessing that article is from The Record? The biased slant on it is absolutely ridiculous, however sadly not surprising [emoji849]

[lucky]

Who cares what the dying rag publish. No one reads it. If the SFA try it on Hibs will take them the full way. We are a different club under Dempster

[Steve-O]

It doesn't explain why Hibs, a member of the SPFL, hiring the lawyer of the SPFL, is actually controversial at all?

[givescotlandfreedom]

They are spewing. Quite funny they mention morality as a factor given they have tried to crucify this club with blatant lies.

[Glory Lurker]

Whatever the outcome, I do think it's time that folk who were on the pitch start putting in to a fund now to pay Hibs' costs in dealing with the fallout since May.

[s.a.m]

Whatever else, it seems to suggest that the club are thinking we might be facing fairly serious consequences.

[Sioux]

Just noticed that the Hun paper has updated their article to add more sense and accuracy.



The Rangers have reported that HIBS have controversially turned to the lawyer for the SPFL to lead their fight against charges brought by the SFA and The Rangers.

Eyebrows have been raised after The Rangers complained to the SFA that Hibs engaged the services of Rod McKenzie of top legal firm Harper Macleod to take on SFA prosecutor Tony McGlennan and The Rangers.

The compliance officer, backed by The Rangers, charged the Easter Road club for the damage caused to the pitch, goalposts and advertising boards by fans following the chaotic scenes at the Scottish Cup Final

Leading figures at Ibrox and Hampden have taken the view McKenzie’s work for Hibs is a conflict of interest, morally if not legally, an affront to The Rangers and their fans and possibly a move to antagonise the SFA and The Rangers even though Hibs chairman Rod Petrie is vice-president of the game’s governing body.


Others see McKenzie’s hiring as a new move in the power struggle between the The Rangers sympathisers at the SPFL and the SFA, perhaps aimed at undermining SFA chief executive Stewart Regan.

Regan has been under pressure recently from The Rangers, and if justice is not seen to be done after the scenes of violence that marred the final, he could have his windows broken and his position could become perilous.

One The Rangers source said: “It’s astonishing McKenzie does not bow to The Rangers andhas been allowed to take a role in such a high-profile and sensitive case.

"It’s also incredible Rod Petrie has hired the SPFL’s lawyer in a bid to ride a legal coach and horses through the demands of The Rangers and the SFA articles of association he helps oversee.”

Scottish Cup final arrests hit 70 as police swoop on five men
McKenzie, Hibs and the SPFL declined to comment, although sources at The Rangers point out Harper Macleod are the leading sports law practitioner in Scotland and should be answerable to Ra Peeple.

Rangers are charged with damage caused by their fans to advertising boards. They and Hibs had until September 6 to respond to McGlennan.

Principal hearing dates have been set for Hibs on October 4 and Rangers on October 5. Rangers and the SFA, on instructions from The Rangers, also declined to comment.

:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Whatever else, it seems to suggest that the club are thinking we might be facing fairly serious consequences.

Not sure it does. I think it may be merely a way of ensuring, in a once-and-for-all, wipe-the-floor sort of a way, that we comprehensively demolish all the lies that have been told since May.

[northstandhibby]

Whatever the outcome, I do think it's time that folk who were on the pitch start putting in to a fund now to pay Hibs' costs in dealing with the fallout since May.


:top marks

Maybe hibs.net could set up a legal fund raiser to help hibs with this. I didn't go on the pitch but would contribute something.



GGTTH

[douglashibs]

How can the mere act of hiring a lawyer, regardless of who that lawyer is, be seen as riding a legal coach and horses through anything?

[Velma Dinkley]

HIBS have controversially turned to the lawyer for the SPFL to lead their fight against charges brought by the SFA .

Eyebrows have been raised after Hibs engaged the services of Rod McKenzie of top legal firm Harper Macleod to take on SFA prosecutor Tony McGlennan.

The compliance officer charged the Easter Road club for the damage caused to the pitch, goalposts and advertising boards by fans following the chaotic scenes at the Scottish Cup Final

Leading figures at Hampden have taken the view McKenzie’s work for Hibs is a conflict of interest, morally if not legally, and possibly a move to antagonise the SFA even though Hibs chairman Rod Petrie is vice-president of the game’s governing body.


Others see McKenzie’s hiring as a new move in the power struggle between the SPFL and the SFA, perhaps aimed at undermining SFA chief executive Stewart Regan.

Regan has been under pressure recently and if justice is not seen to be done after the scenes of violence that marred the final, his position could become perilous.

One source said: “It’s astonishing McKenzie has been allowed to take a role in such a high-profile and sensitive case.

"It’s also incredible Rod Petrie has hired the SPFL’s lawyer in a bid to ride a legal coach and horses through SFA articles of association he helps oversee.”

Scottish Cup final arrests hit 70 as police swoop on five men
McKenzie, Hibs and the SPFL declined to comment, although sources point out Harper Macleod are the leading sports law practitioner in Scotland.

Rangers are charged with damage caused by their fans to advertising boards. They and Hibs had until September 6 to respond to McGlennan.

Principal hearing dates have been set for Hibs on October 4 and Rangers on October 5. Rangers and the SFA also declined to comment.

100 per cent guaranteed there are no sources whatsoever for this story. And all quotes, comments and suggestions have been completely fabricated by the Daily Record.

[s.a.m]

Not sure it does. I think it may be merely a way of ensuring, in a once-and-for-all, wipe-the-floor sort of a way, that we comprehensively demolish all the lies that have been told since May.

Hopefully. Though from the limited information available, it looks like he has been hired to fight the SFA charges, which are quite specific, rather than to defend our reputation over the whole shebang. I'm guessing that means he's going to be interested in ensuring that our liability isn't extended beyond what's in the rules, that our punishment is fair and proportionate, and that the SFA haven't acted in a way that jeopardises a fair outcome?

[The Green Goblin]

Hopefully. Though from the limited information available, it looks like he has been hired to fight the SFA charges, which are quite specific, rather than to defend our reputation over the whole shebang. I'm guessing that means he's going to be interested in ensuring that our liability isn't extended beyond what's in the rules, that our punishment is fair and proportionate, and that the SFA haven't acted in a way that jeopardises a fair outcome?

It says a lot, given your last sentence, that those things were even possible and that the club felt they had to do this. The lawyer may not be there to defend the club's reputation, but whatever they do, they will defend the club and just having them there fighting our corner is a strong message in itself.

[s.a.m]

It says a lot, given your last sentence, that those things were even possible and that the club felt they had to do this. The lawyer may not be there to defend the club's reputation, but whatever they do, they will defend the club and just having them there fighting our corner is a strong message in itself.

I very much hope so.

[0762]

Just noticed that the Hun paper has updated their article to add more sense and accuracy.




:greengrin

Indeed more spin peddled by the pen of Jim Traynor. How he gets away with this blatant manipulation of the Daily Record is incredible. Obviously the circulation of this rag is made up from the Govan faithful.

Their constant abuse and peddling of stories about the SFA, Petrie and the SPFL through the media is their way of playing to the gallery of Newco Supporters who still can't accept that the team they think they support actually died and doesn't exist anymore. In their eye Scottish Football should have come running to their assistance after years of tax avoidance schemes and overpaying finally caught up with them. Because those who did the right thing didn't bend the rules for them they obviously have a chip on their shoulder that they just cant let go of.

Now that Hibs have appointed the SPFL's lawyer, "The Rangers" will see it as the SPFL siding with Hibs ....... add to that Rod McKenzie's a Celtic Supporter and that will get right up their blue noses.

Also might be their way of deflecting from a 5-1 beating to Celtic, That balloon Joey Barton they've signed and the fact that they have just dropped another 2pts at home, this time to Ross County. Its been a bad couple of weeks Mr Traynor. Everytime there is a bad result out pops a statement of spin to the media. That's old fashioned crisis management. Given the results he better get a few stock statement written up for release because it looks like every team in the leagues out to make it hard for "The Rangers".