In what way does this "prorect the population"?

[Hibbyradge]

I don't agree with the way Muslim women are controlled by their religions "advice" regarding "modesty" and clothing, but I dont understand how the banning of the Burkini is going to smooth racial tension in the south of France.

Sorry, links don't always work from my phone.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-police-make-woman-remove-burkini-on-nice-beach?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=187299&subid=16631905&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

[CropleyWasGod]

It's an extension of the ban on the burqa, for which there are (arguably ) sound constitutional reasons.

However, it's been done in such a ham fisted way that it's not going to help ease tensions. What's to stop, for example, men wearing the old-fashioned one piece bathing suit?

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[Hibrandenburg]

No different than other countries who force people to cover up.

[snooky]

No different than other countries who force people to cover up.

When in Rome ....... :agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

No different than other countries who force people to cover up.

How would something like this go down, though? (and don't say "over your ankles" :greengrin)

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And then there's this....

https://www.facebook.com/NawakIllustrations/photos/a.346705748767958.1073741825.342589482512918/886533641451830/?type=3

[Hibrandenburg]

How would something like this go down, though? (and don't say "over your ankles" :greengrin)

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And then there's this....

https://www.facebook.com/NawakIllustrations/photos/a.346705748767958.1073741825.342589482512918/886533641451830/?type=3

I'm sure my fellow bathers in Burntisland baths today might have been grateful if I'd had one of those on today. :greengrin

[Jonnyboy]

How would something like this go down, though? (and don't say "over your ankles" :greengrin)

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And then there's this....

https://www.facebook.com/NawakIllustrations/photos/a.346705748767958.1073741825.342589482512918/886533641451830/?type=3

Isn't that the new Celtc strip?

[wpj]

Having now seen the pictures in a timeline it seems to me to be totally unreasonable and unnecessary to ask a woman whose culture requires her to cover herslf or more importantly her own decision is to cover herself to basically undress in public. I am deeply saddened to see this happen. Reminds me of the restrictions imposed in previous times and places throughout history. Bottom line is it won't stop extremists doing what they do just fan the flames of radicalisation for a select few who are vunerable or gullable. Sad.

[Pretty Boy]

Does French law/society make allowances for nuns to wear a full habit in public should they choose to do so?

Edit: Just clicked on CWGs Facebook link and it appears the point has already been made.

Whilst I respect the rights and traditions of the French and their secular society it does appear the preotection of freedom of expression is unavoidably riddled with hypocrisy.

[Sir David Gray]

The full face covering, niqab or burqa, should be banned without question. Islam does not require women to wear that, it has nothing to do with modesty and everything to do with oppressing women and treating them as inferior beings.

However I have no problem at all with the headscarf (hijab) worn by many Muslim women. The issue for me is surrounding security and whether or not that person can be identified. It's also important when you're talking to someone that you are able to see their face.

No-one should be banned in this country from wearing a headscarf, it's when that dress begins to conceal the eyes that it becomes an issue for me.

[Hibbyradge]

http://www.themideastbeast.com/wake-burkini-ban-muslim-women-demand-criminalization-fat-white-guys-speedos/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

[Pete]

It's all about relativity. Think about the (harmless) norms that exist in their section of society and the relative nakedness.

This is kind of like someone living within our norms going to a nudist beach in a bikini and having their top ripped off.

I get the idea but WTF? There are ways to go about things and such symbolic actions aren't the way.

[lord bunberry]

The only winners in this whole situation are the fundamentalists who don't care that Muslim women are being treated in this manner. They only care that the actions of the French police will enrage others enough to join their cause.

[Pretty Boy]

Essentially here a woman has been forced to remove her clothing against her will by 4 armed men.

In what way this protects the security of others I have no idea, she was wearing no more body obscuring clothing than a man walking down the street wearing a suit and her face was not covered. Was she any more inappropriately dressed than a child wearing an all over bathing costume with a sun hat with a neck cover? A site seen at beaches all over the world due to increasing concern about skin cancer. The idea that this is about 'hitting back at the oppression of women in Islam' is laughable. By forcing someone to dress in a way that we deem suitable we are 'liberating' them?

This is all about the politics of fear and yet again it's playing into the hand of the extremes on both sides of the argument. Some of the rhetoric coming from sections of the French political set is deeply disturbing at the moment and it's fuelling the flames of hatred.

[Hibrandenburg]

Essentially here a woman has been forced to remove her clothing against her will by 4 armed men.

In what way this protects the security of others I have no idea, she was wearing no more body obscuring clothing than a man walking down the street wearing a suit and her face was not covered. Was she any more inappropriately dressed than a child wearing an all over bathing costume with a sun hat with a neck cover? A site seen at beaches all over the world due to increasing concern about skin cancer. The idea that this is about 'hitting back at the oppression of women in Islam' is laughable. By forcing someone to dress in a way that we deem suitable we are 'liberating' them?

This is all about the politics of fear and yet again it's playing into the hand of the extremes on both sides of the argument. Some of the rhetoric coming from sections of the French political set is deeply disturbing at the moment and it's fuelling the flames of hatred.

:agree:

Great summary.

[Betty Boop]

Why is France trying to hide its Muslim population ? People should be allowed to wear what they like, surely that's part of living in a Democracy.

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/burkini-ban-french-france-court-suspends-rule-law-forbidding-swimwear-worn-muslim-women-seriously-a7211396.html