Mo Farah retains 10000m title

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Some achievement after recovering from a mid race fall, he's like a modern day Alf Tupper! :-)

[hibsbollah]

Up there with Gebrasallassie as the best distance runner of all time. With a personality to match.

[ekhibee]

Farah's a phenomenal athlete, and a nice guy too. In terms of measuring him against long distance runners of the past, I suppose I'd say he's very like Yifta (I guessing at the spelling), nicknamed 'Yifta The Shifter', who was deadly at 5000 and 10000 metres. The only thing I'd say against putting him right at the top is that he's not broken the world records in either of them, several athletes before him have run faster times, and there must be a slight question against how good the opposition are, but that's not his fault at all, he can only beat what's in front of him, and he does that regularly. Great athlete with a great attitude.

[Matty_Jack04]

Farah's a phenomenal athlete, and a nice guy too. In terms of measuring him against long distance runners of the past, I suppose I'd say he's very like Yifta (I guessing at the spelling), nicknamed 'Yifta The Shifter', who was deadly at 5000 and 10000 metres. The only thing I'd say against putting him right at the top is that he's not broken the world records in either of them, several athletes before him have run faster times, and there must be a slight question against how good the opposition are, but that's not his fault at all, he can only beat what's in front of him, and he does that regularly. Great athlete with a great attitude.

I think in regards to beating WR and OR mo farah has to contend with a lot of tactics against and attempts at spoiling meaning he has to sit normally at the back of the pack and let others set the pace so he has an idea of how other athletes are going about the race, if he was the one setting the pace I believe he'd have troubled those records more, his 10,000 the other night he ran the last mile in 4:03 that tells me he wasn't really troubled by the early pace set or his unfortunate fall and that was with the kenyans publicly stating they where going to run the strong finish out of mo

[hibsbollah]

I think in regards to beating WR and OR mo farah has to contend with a lot of tactics against and attempts at spoiling meaning he has to sit normally at the back of the pack and let others set the pace so he has an idea of how other athletes are going about the race, if he was the one setting the pace I believe he'd have troubled those records more, his 10,000 the other night he ran the last mile in 4:03 that tells me he wasn't really troubled by the early pace set or his unfortunate fall and that was with the kenyans publicly stating they where going to run the strong finish out of mo

He also ran the final 100m in 13 something seconds! unbelievable muscle power he must have.

[ekhibee]

I think in regards to beating WR and OR mo farah has to contend with a lot of tactics against and attempts at spoiling meaning he has to sit normally at the back of the pack and let others set the pace so he has an idea of how other athletes are going about the race, if he was the one setting the pace I believe he'd have troubled those records more, his 10,000 the other night he ran the last mile in 4:03 that tells me he wasn't really troubled by the early pace set or his unfortunate fall and that was with the kenyans publicly stating they where going to run the strong finish out of mo
Yeh, some fair points there, but I always get the impression Farah is more concerned with winning than breaking records. I wasn't counting the race the other day when he fell. To be fair to him, he can only beat what's in front of him, but he's not the first distance runner to have a finishing kick on him, and some of the others have also broken world records. As you say, others try tactics to beat him obviously, but I'm just not totally convinced, apart from Farah, that they're world class track athletes. Most of them seem to be better in the road races, where Farah isn't nearly as good. I should emphasize I like Farah, he's a great advert for athletics.

[Speedy]

I think in regards to beating WR and OR mo farah has to contend with a lot of tactics against and attempts at spoiling meaning he has to sit normally at the back of the pack and let others set the pace so he has an idea of how other athletes are going about the race, if he was the one setting the pace I believe he'd have troubled those records more, his 10,000 the other night he ran the last mile in 4:03 that tells me he wasn't really troubled by the early pace set or his unfortunate fall and that was with the kenyans publicly stating they where going to run the strong finish out of mo

How do the tactics work? What's to stop Farah going out to run his best possible time in any given race?

[hibsbollah]

Here we go.
Go on mo, the double double and a chance to be considered the Greatest ever.

[David_D]

What an athlete. Superb is all I can say.

[Onceinawhile]

Advertises quorn, so it's a big no from me.

[Sergey]

Part of the Nike Oregon Project - Trained in Kenya before they brought in doping control - Then moved to Ethiopia as no OoC Doping Control in place - Couldn't hear his doorbell nor mobile phone when the dope checkers came a calling to his London apartment - He's Somalian.

He's an African with all circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact he dopes.

Sorry - He's a fraud.

[ihibs7]

Part of the Nike Oregon Project - Trained in Kenya before they brought in doping control - Then moved to Ethiopia as no OoC Doping Control in place - Couldn't hear his doorbell nor mobile phone when the dope checkers came a calling to his London apartment - He's Somalian.

He's an African with all circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact he dopes.

Sorry - He's a fraud.

I agree. As Greg lemond says - there are no miracles. Top level athletics is as blighted by performance enhancement as it has been for the entire last 40 years. I suppose you just have to accept it for what it is. Especially when someone like Seb Coe is in charge of the clean up.


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[Sergey]

I agree. As Greg lemond says - there are no miracles. Top level athletics is as blighted by performance enhancement as it has been for the entire last 40 years. I suppose you just have to accept it for what it is. Especially when someone like Seb Coe is in charge of the clean up.


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Listen, ihibs7 - you can't agree with me. No one ever agrees with me. This is a forum first so you can delete your post :rolleyes:

You mention Seb Coe - he's a politician who will do everything possible to cover-up misdemeanour's in drug anomalies. FFS - He's recruited Paula Radcliffe as his right hand aide. You couldn't make this sh]t up.

The Ethiopian who broke the 10k record in the women's race was one of the most farcical sporting frauds ever broadcast. Both the IOC and WADA no Ethiopia don't drug test yet they let them race without question.

The whole thing is a farce and is akin to FIFA at football...but probably worse, if that is possible.

I doubt many are 100% clean.

[Hibs Class]

Here we go.
Go on mo, the double double and a chance to be considered the Greatest ever.

Super athlete, excellent achievement. I heard Brendan Foster saying that Farah must be regarded as the greatest British sportsman; I don't think I'd go that far and Foster has a habit of selecting athletes as greatest overall. Roger Black was more measured, agreeing that comparing across sports is too subjective to be definitive, but that Farah has a fair claim to be the greatest track athlete. With his success will unfortunately come innuendo, but most of the accusations I've seen are from trolling blowhards who are best ignored and pitied.

[Allant1981]

Part of the Nike Oregon Project - Trained in Kenya before they brought in doping control - Then moved to Ethiopia as no OoC Doping Control in place - Couldn't hear his doorbell nor mobile phone when the dope checkers came a calling to his London apartment - He's Somalian.

He's an African with all circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact he dopes.

Sorry - He's a fraud.

Blah blah blah

[Sergey]

Blah blah blah

Man from Grangemouth speaks.

I didn't really expect conversation on the subject!

:faf:

[cabbageandribs1875]

I agree. As Greg lemond says - there are no miracles. Top level athletics is as blighted by performance enhancement as it has been for the entire last 40 years. I suppose you just have to accept it for what it is. Especially when someone like Seb Coe is in charge of the clean up.


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says it all :agree: one of the biggest crooks going...and a 'sir' tae :rolleyes: mind you though, philip green is a 'sir' as well


absolutely sickening

[Allant1981]

Man from Grangemouth speaks.

I didn't really expect conversation on the subject!

:faf:

What has where i stay have to do with anything. You talk more rubbish than anyone on this board so you get a reaction

[Sergey]

What has where i stay have to do with anything. You talk more rubbish than anyone on this board so you get a reaction

Why don't you answer the specific point I raised...one by one? In case you need them again, here they are:


Part of the Nike Oregon Project - Trained in Kenya before they brought in doping control - Then moved to Ethiopia as no OoC Doping Control in place - Couldn't hear his doorbell nor mobile phone when the dope checkers came a calling to his London apartment - He's Somalian.

He's an African with all circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact he dopes.

Sorry - He's a fraud.

Look at them closely - think carefully before you reply to each one...

...and by the way, I've never noticed you on the forum before tonight, so don't get too worked up.

[hibsbollah]

Totally disagree with Sergey, but I love Mo Farah to the extent that he could be mainlining ketamine up his jacksie prerace and it wouldn't really bother me. Drugs are just a form of nutrition, after all.

[Allant1981]

Why don't you answer the specific point I raised...one by one? In case you need them again, here they are:



Look at them closely - think carefully before you reply to each one...

...and by the way, I've never noticed you on the forum before tonight, so don't get too worked up.

So the evidence is circumstantial but you post it as fact, and please dont speak to me like im an idiot, if anything your posts make you sound like an idiot, and to be honest i dont really care if you notice me on a board. Im not here for the attention like yourself

[Sergey]

So the evidence is circumstantial but you post it as fact, and please dont speak to me like im an idiot, if anything your posts make you sound like an idiot, and to be honest i dont really care if you notice me on a board. Im not here for the attention like yourself

Oh dear - you're clearly not very good at this internet thing, but I'll let you off because of your location.

I'll just drop you into my ignore folder and be done with you.

:bye:

[Haymaker]

I want him to be clean, like most of the superstars but... There's always that doubt.

It might be circumstantial evidence but it breeds doubt.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Part of the Nike Oregon Project - Trained in Kenya before they brought in doping control - Then moved to Ethiopia as no OoC Doping Control in place - Couldn't hear his doorbell nor mobile phone when the dope checkers came a calling to his London apartment - He's Somalian.

He's an African with all circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact he dopes.

Sorry - He's a fraud.

I'm also suspicious of anyone successful - thing is he's never been close to a world record; is he not taking enough?

[ihibs7]

most of the accusations I've seen are from trolling blowhards who are best ignored and pitied.

Trolling? Nah, believe want you want to believe. Ignore? That's entirely up to you. Pitied, whatever.

I go back to my earlier point that there are no miracles. There is an awful lot of implausible stuff going on in athletics, like the women's 10k where four of the fastest five times ever were run, and the drug world record of the Chinese was broken by 14 seconds.

Every games is the cleanest ever until the cheats are picked up, it's absolutely ridiculous.


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[Matty_Jack04]

Hasn't he recently opened up his bloods history? I find it crazy we're in a time where to be a successful athlete you have to be accused of doping before you can be celebrated, mo was closely followed by an American guy in his 5000m race does that mean he's also doping to have kept up with him?

[Matty_Jack04]

Trolling? Nah, believe want you want to believe. Ignore? That's entirely up to you. Pitied, whatever.

I go back to my earlier point that there are no miracles. There is an awful lot of implausible stuff going on in athletics, like the women's 10k where four of the fastest five times ever were run, and the drug world record of the Chinese was broken by 14 seconds.

Every games is the cleanest ever until the cheats are picked up, it's absolutely ridiculous.


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I think in that race the majority of the women ran at least a PB, normally in a race the idea is to win therefore keep up...or try to keep up in this case with the person in the lead if that person is breaking world records you can almost guarantee the rest will have ran quicker than normal surely.

[Hibs Class]

Trolling? Nah, believe want you want to believe. Ignore? That's entirely up to you. Pitied, whatever.

I go back to my earlier point that there are no miracles. There is an awful lot of implausible stuff going on in athletics, like the women's 10k where four of the fastest five times ever were run, and the drug world record of the Chinese was broken by 14 seconds.

Every games is the cleanest ever until the cheats are picked up, it's absolutely ridiculous.


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Sorry, wasn't directed at you. It's reasonable to question the extent to which doping has taken place. Where it becomes tiresome is when other posters, convinced of their own infallibility, repeatedly cast accusations against Farah (& Radcliffe too) without any hard evidence. And then when challenged have little more to offer beyond personal insult.

[ihibs7]

I think in that race the majority of the women ran at least a PB, normally in a race the idea is to win therefore keep up...or try to keep up in this case with the person in the lead if that person is breaking world records you can almost guarantee the rest will have ran quicker than normal surely.


The first 13 runners ran personal bests. Maybe it was a quick track, but the evidence of the other races suggests it's not that. Normally you need pacemakers to get that kind of record too. I think you should always go with the evidence of your own eyes, and I seen a miracle. I don't believe in miracles.


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[ihibs7]

Sorry, wasn't directed at you. It's reasonable to question the extent to which doping has taken place. Where it becomes tiresome is when other posters, convinced of their own infallibility, repeatedly cast accusations against Farah (& Radcliffe too) without any hard evidence. And then when challenged have little more to offer beyond personal insult.

Fair enough :)


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[Andy74]

How do the tactics work? What's to stop Farah going out to run his best possible time in any given race?

This is what I don't get about athletics either. Surely athletes know the optimum speed that they can cover any distance, albeit the conditions might play into it?

If you know how quickly you can get round then go for it.

I heard someone say after an event recently that the Olympics would be different because it would be much slower and more tactical - run as quickly as you can then and forget about the rest of them!

[Allant1981]

This is what I don't get about athletics either. Surely athletes know the optimum speed that they can cover any distance, albeit the conditions might play into it?

If you know how quickly you can get round then go for it.

I heard someone say after an event recently that the Olympics would be different because it would be much slower and more tactical - run as quickly as you can then and forget about the rest of them!

The other runners could box someone in making it harder to pass, in doing that the runner would have to try and go on the outside meaning a longer way around and obviously using more energy, i only ever done sprints so just guessing, my old coach happened to win an olympic silver with the GB relay team in seoul

[lord bunberry]

This is what I don't get about athletics either. Surely athletes know the optimum speed that they can cover any distance, albeit the conditions might play into it?

If you know how quickly you can get round then go for it.

I heard someone say after an event recently that the Olympics would be different because it would be much slower and more tactical - run as quickly as you can then and forget about the rest of them!
It has been suggested in the past that athletes don't want to run world records as they would rather do it in diamond league events. There's a sizeable cash incentive to break world records at these meetings. Obviously in races from 400m down they're pretty much flat out and can't really afford to ease up much.

[Lancs Harp]

This is what I don't get about athletics either. Surely athletes know the optimum speed that they can cover any distance, albeit the conditions might play into it?

If you know how quickly you can get round then go for it.

I heard someone say after an event recently that the Olympics would be different because it would be much slower and more tactical - run as quickly as you can then and forget about the rest of them!

Bit Naive if I may say so IMO is about winning, first past the post, end of. If you have that medal round your neck the time /distance etc you finished with just doesn't mater.

[Scouse Hibee]

This is what I don't get about athletics either. Surely athletes know the optimum speed that they can cover any distance, albeit the conditions might play into it?

If you know how quickly you can get round then go for it.

I heard someone say after an event recently that the Olympics would be different because it would be much slower and more tactical - run as quickly as you can then and forget about the rest of them!

That approach is ideal for sprinting where you stay in your own lane but too much can go wrong in middle and long distance running so tactics and training for every eventuality are a must I'm afraid.

[ihibs7]

That approach is ideal for sprinting where you stay in your own lane but too much can go wrong in middle and long distance running so tactics and training for every eventuality are a must I'm afraid.

We're missing something, something obvious:

http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/why-mens-marathon-times-get-faster-while-5k10k-times-have-stalled

The difference between men's and women's 10k doesn't make any sense - I think it's a very valid point about why don't the runners set a faster pace to run mo farah out of it before he sprints to victory.


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[Scouse Hibee]

We're missing something, something obvious:

http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/why-mens-marathon-times-get-faster-while-5k10k-times-have-stalled

The difference between men's and women's 10k doesn't make any sense - I think it's a very valid point about why don't the runners set a faster pace to run mo farah out of it before he sprints to victory.


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Probably because they can't sustain the fast pace and still be able to compete later in race.

[ihibs7]

Probably because they can't sustain the fast pace and still be able to compete later in race.

But they don't even try; how many major championships in a row has the same thing happened?

Seems before the race has started they've all resolved to race for second.


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