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theonlywayisup
10-08-2016, 03:26 PM
Last night we had one player that had scored 50 goals in 96 games started and 17 as a sub. Take him out of the team and there's not many who've scored regularly for the Hibees. Only 52 goals from the remainder in over 900 appearances.

The facts don't lie - we've got good players but they don't score often enough.

Gray 6 goals / 82 starts (3) sub appearances
McGregor 3 / 41 (7)
Hanlon 16 / 272 (10)
Fontaine 4 / 75 (6)
Stevenson 6 / 283 (41)
McGinn 5 / 53 (3)
Bartley 0 / 31 (9)
Keatings 12 / 25 (20)
Holt 0 / 4 (0)

If we're going to get up this season we have to get players in who can score goals at this level.

JDHibs
10-08-2016, 03:43 PM
Last night we had one player that had scored 50 goals in 96 games started and 17 as a sub. Take him out of the team and there's not many who've scored regularly for the Hibees. Only 52 goals from the remainder in over 900 appearances.

The facts don't lie - we've got good players but they don't score often enough.

Gray 6 goals / 82 starts (3) sub appearances
McGregor 3 / 41 (7)
Hanlon 16 / 272 (10)
Fontaine 4 / 75 (6)
Stevenson 6 / 283 (41)
McGinn 5 / 53 (3)
Bartley 0 / 31 (9)
Keatings 12 / 25 (20)
Holt 0 / 4 (0)

If we're going to get up this season we have to get players in who can score goals at this level.

Agreed.

This was our biggest issue last season, once Cummings have a blank spell, nobody stepped up to the plate to help out. Not one of our midfielders is a goalscorer. McGinn, McGeough, Fyvie, Bartley and Martin are all great midfielders in their own right, but i dont see any goals coming from them.

Really need a goalscoring midfielder who will put the ball int he net consistantly or atleast have a crack at goal. Mallan from St Mirren is a great shot.

theonlywayisup
10-08-2016, 04:59 PM
Agreed.

This was our biggest issue last season, once Cummings have a blank spell, nobody stepped up to the plate to help out. Not one of our midfielders is a goalscorer. McGinn, McGeough, Fyvie, Bartley and Martin are all great midfielders in their own right, but i dont see any goals coming from them.

Really need a goalscoring midfielder who will put the ball int he net consistantly or atleast have a crack at goal. Mallan from St Mirren is a great shot.

Oh for a Pat McGinlay.

Hi Heid Yin
10-08-2016, 06:19 PM
That makes grim reading.
As has been said and recognised by so many of us, once Cummings stops scoring then no one else steps up.
Keatings contribution is fair but he is not a prolific scorer.
Holt can be seen as a foil and adds a bit of bite and aggression, but no goals to date.
For all the skill of McGinn his goals return is poor as is that of our entire midfield.
There was a dearth of goals right through our team last season and this contributed, largely, to so many poor results.
Failing to add to 1 goal for the entirety of a game became all too familiar. The opposition gain confidence and inevitably score from their few attempts.
Alan Stubbs failed to address this and Neil Lennon surely must be aware of this Achilles heal.
If not, then last night surely was his wake up call.

Jonnyboy
10-08-2016, 06:33 PM
Oh for a Pat McGinlay.

Indeed.

The stupid thing is that McGinn is more than capable of scoring but rarely takes the shot on when around the edge of the box.

KeithTheHibby
10-08-2016, 06:37 PM
Oh for a Pat McGinlay.

Pat was never as good technically as guys like McGeoch or McGinn. He also never had a great shot or scored many headers however his ability to go box to box was never in doubt which resulted in the amount of goals he scored.
I think he also had a bit of a strikers instinct which helped.

As you say how we long for a Pat McGinlay.

Nakedmanoncrack
10-08-2016, 07:58 PM
Last night we had one player that had scored 50 goals in 96 games started and 17 as a sub. Take him out of the team and there's not many who've scored regularly for the Hibees. Only 52 goals from the remainder in over 900 appearances.

The facts don't lie - we've got good players but they don't score often enough.

Gray 6 goals / 82 starts (3) sub appearances
McGregor 3 / 41 (7)
Hanlon 16 / 272 (10)
Fontaine 4 / 75 (6)
Stevenson 6 / 283 (41)
McGinn 5 / 53 (3)
Bartley 0 / 31 (9)
Keatings 12 / 25 (20)
Holt 0 / 4 (0)

If we're going to get up this season we have to get players in who can score goals at this level.

Hanlon's statistics are the only ones that are decent there.

McKenzie
10-08-2016, 08:09 PM
Agreed.

This was our biggest issue last season, once Cummings have a blank spell, nobody stepped up to the plate to help out. Not one of our midfielders is a goalscorer. McGinn, McGeough, Fyvie, Bartley and Martin are all great midfielders in their own right, but i dont see any goals coming from them.

Really need a goalscoring midfielder who will put the ball int he net consistantly or atleast have a crack at goal. Mallan from St Mirren is a great shot.
Is this not where Kris commons fits in?

theonlywayisup
10-08-2016, 08:11 PM
That makes grim reading.
As has been said and recognised by so many of us, once Cummings stops scoring then no one else steps up.
Keatings contribution is fair but he is not a prolific scorer.
Holt can be seen as a foil and adds a bit of bite and aggression, but no goals to date.
For all the skill of McGinn his goals return is poor as is that of our entire midfield.
There was a dearth of goals right through our team last season and this contributed, largely, to so many poor results.
Failing to add to 1 goal for the entirety of a game became all too familiar. The opposition gain confidence and inevitably score from their few attempts.
Alan Stubbs failed to address this and Neil Lennon surely must be aware of this Achilles heal.
If not, then last night surely was his wake up call.

To be honest, it's been a problem for a few years. Back to Sparky's time, I can't recall anyone else scoring many goals especially our midfielders.

Hi Heid Yin
10-08-2016, 08:29 PM
To be honest, it's been a problem for a few years. Back to Sparky's time, I can't recall anyone else scoring many goals especially our midfielders.

All the more reason for Neil Lennon to address this major flaw in our team - the lack of goals from outwith Cummings is frightening.
We only have to consider The Rangers team of last season and Hearts from the season before to see how goals were spread throughout the team.
We must do the same.

Captain Trips
10-08-2016, 10:00 PM
We need a midfielder with guile who can put in about 10 goals. Easier said than done though.

Keyser Sauzee
10-08-2016, 10:08 PM
Hanlon's statistics are the only ones that are decent there.

Tbf tho, and I'm not having a go at him here, his goal to games ratio isn't one of the best out of that list.

Smartie
11-08-2016, 03:16 AM
Tbf tho, and I'm not having a go at him here, his goal to games ratio isn't one of the best out of that list.

I'm pretty sure his goals to chances ratio is up there with anyone's.

Hanlon has always impressed me in the attacking sense.

He has a habit of getting into the right positions and has the composure to take his chances when they come along.

makaveli1875
11-08-2016, 05:55 AM
Oh for a Pat McGinlay.

agreed , we are set to rely on cummings almost exclusively for goals this season . if he gets injured or goes through a dry spell and we are going to struggle for goals

JDHibs
11-08-2016, 07:09 AM
Is this not where Kris commons fits in?

The Kris Commons rumour has died of death. So has the Hendo rumour.

Pretty certain Commons wont happen and getting to the point where I would be suprised if Hendo actually happens.

Steve20
11-08-2016, 09:59 AM
The Kris Commons rumour has died of death. So has the Hendo rumour.

Pretty certain Commons wont happen and getting to the point where I would be suprised if Hendo actually happens.

Commons was never going to happen. Pie in the sky stuff. Henderson will probably arrive right at the end of the month and that'll be us for this transfer window.

jgl07
11-08-2016, 02:12 PM
Anyone remember the 2013-14 season?

Before the start of the season Hibs three top goal scorers: Leigh Griffiths, Eoin Doyle and David Wotherspoon all left the club. None were adequately replaced. Any what happened?

This year isn't as bad as Stokes didn't score that many in the League (the Cup was a different matter). Hibs are rather over dependent on Cummings and Keatings.

Andy74
11-08-2016, 02:18 PM
Anyone remember the 2013-14 season?

Before the start of the season Hibs three top goal scorers: Leigh Griffiths, Eoin Doyle and David Wotherspoon all left the club. None were adequately replaced. Any what happened?

This year isn't as bad as Stokes didn't score that many in the League (the Cup was a different matter). Hibs are rather over dependent on Cummings and Keatings.

Never mind Stokes we still haven't replaced Malonga!

Craig_HFC
11-08-2016, 02:19 PM
Never mind Stokes we still haven't replaced Malonga!

Agreed. Hopefully we do do do.

JDHibs
11-08-2016, 02:23 PM
Hibs are shocking at replacing players and overall have a "lets make do" attitude.

Look at the players we have sold over the years and brought in cheap freebies to fill the gaps.

Thats why Falkirk will never do well. They had a decent team last year then sold Alston and Vaulks, they brought in Rankin and now have Rankin and Taiwo, who are no where near the same calibre of player.

Andy74
11-08-2016, 02:27 PM
Anyone remember the 2013-14 season?

Before the start of the season Hibs three top goal scorers: Leigh Griffiths, Eoin Doyle and David Wotherspoon all left the club. None were adequately replaced. Any what happened?

This year isn't as bad as Stokes didn't score that many in the League (the Cup was a different matter). Hibs are rather over dependent on Cummings and Keatings.

Wotherspoon scored 7 goals in 132 appearances.

Liam Craig scored 8 in 58, so you could argue he was replaced adequately in terms of a midfielder scoring goals.