military coup in Turkey

[Off the bar]

All over twitter at the moment, bridges shut in Istanbul military jets flying low over Ankara.

[ronaldo7]

All over twitter at the moment, bridges shut in Istanbul military jets flying low over Ankara.

That'll be another lie from the Brexit team, no way are Turkey getting into the Eu.

[Off the bar]

YouTube facebook and twitter blocked in Turkey, all according to reports on twitter so usual caveats apply, we are living in interesting times.

[Moulin Yarns]

That'll be another lie from the Brexit team, no way are Turkey getting into the Eu.

BBC breaking news.

Not good.

[Mon Dieu4]

The world is a crazy crazy place right now:rolleyes:

[Mibbes Aye]

Mmmm which side will the military come out on between the kurds and Daesh ? first thing Erdogan done after the murder of those student activists was attack the kurds...instead of the culprits, Daesh

While the Turkish armed forces have been engaged in conflict for years with the PKK, you have to bear in mind that their whole ethos is one of protecting the secular identity of the Turkish state. To which end they have mounted coups over the years, when they felt it necessary, to remove governments that were perceived as too Islamist. And in truth, they've often had popular support.

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36809083


Turkey's PM has denounced an "illegal action" by a military "group", with bridges closed in Istanbul and aircraft flying low over the capital, Ankara.
Binali Yildirim said the military action was not authorised but it was not a coup. He said that the government remained in charge.
Traffic has been stopped from crossing both the Bosphorus and Fatih Sultan Mehmet bridges in Istanbul.
There are reports of gunshots in the capital Ankara.
Tanks are also said to be stationed outside Istanbul airport.

[Ronniekirk]

Military have taken over power in Turkey That was quick


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[cabbageandribs1875]

While the Turkish armed forces have been engaged in conflict for years with the PKK, you have to bear in mind that their whole ethos is one of protecting the secular identity of the Turkish state. To which end they have mounted coups going back fifty years if they felt it necessary, to remove governments that were felt to be too Islamist. And in truth, they've often had popular support.


yes i understand that but i thought it was rather strange that they hit back at the kurds immediately instead of Daesh, there's been other instances of Erdogan ordering hits on the kurds first

[ronaldo7]

BBC breaking news.

Not good.

Oh well, that moved quickly.

[cabbageandribs1875]

my holiday destination list is drastically reducing in size as the weeks go by, i'm down to spain and portugal now...sure i heard on the news last night that spain could be on the Daesh hit list as well :rolleyes: can't see this trouble ever going away

[steakbake]

Erdogan has to go. Hope the coup lads make a better job of it than the Labour coup!

[Mon Dieu4]

my holiday destination list is drastically reducing in size as the weeks go by, i'm down to spain and portugal now...sure i heard on the news last night that spain could be on the Daesh hit list as well :rolleyes: can't see this trouble ever going away

Everyone is on their hit list, you can't live your life worrying about things like that, it's what they want

[steakbake]

The coup has nothing to do with Daesh?!

Now reading info doing the rounds that there's a theory in Turkey that Erdogan has set it up in order to "win" the stand off and sense more power.

Stranger things have happened!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Everyone is on their hit list, you can't live your life worrying about things like that, it's what they want


yeah i know you're right :(

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/9237/production/_90413473_034084973-1.jpg

The Bosphorus bridge

[Colr]

That'll be another lie from the Brexit team, no way are Turkey getting into the Eu.

Certainly not now!!

[Colr]

my holiday destination list is drastically reducing in size as the weeks go by, i'm down to spain and portugal now...sure i heard on the news last night that spain could be on the Daesh hit list as well :rolleyes: can't see this trouble ever going away

I'm sure London is too.

[High-On-Hibs]

my holiday destination list is drastically reducing in size as the weeks go by, i'm down to spain and portugal now...sure i heard on the news last night that spain could be on the Daesh hit list as well :rolleyes: can't see this trouble ever going away

Sadly, it's getting to a point where you're no safer here than you are over there. May as well just do what you like and hope for the best.

[Sir David Gray]

Someone at my work was due to fly out to Turkey tomorrow morning for a two week holiday as well.

I can't see that happening now.

[Pretty Boy]

Someone at my work was due to fly out to Turkey tomorrow morning for a two week holiday as well.

I can't see that happening now.

No chance imo. Mate of mine has been stuck at the airport for a few hours now, all airports closed apparently and a curfew in place.

Tbf to him he is taking it well, apparently a few folk having a go at airline staff for 'ruining their holiday'. Mental behaviour.

[Sir David Gray]

No chance imo. Mate of mine has been stuck at the airport for a few hours now, all airports closed apparently and a curfew in place.

Tbf to him he is taking it well, apparently a few folk having a go at airline staff for 'ruining their holiday'. Mental behaviour.

Human beings never fail to amaze me.

What exactly do these people expect the airlines to do when there's military personnel taking over the country and places like airports being stormed?

[The_Exile]

Human beings never fail to amaze me.

What exactly do these people expect the airlines to do when there's military personnel taking over the country and places like airports being stormed?

I'd let them board the plane and fly them in and leave them to sunbathe under a sea of ak47 bullets.

[Hibrandenburg]

No chance imo. Mate of mine has been stuck at the airport for a few hours now, all airports closed apparently and a curfew in place.

Tbf to him he is taking it well, apparently a few folk having a go at airline staff for 'ruining their holiday'. Mental behaviour.

I've got a lot of Turkish mates. Fortunately as far as I know they're still here in Berlin. This has the potential to go one of 2 ways, crazy as it sounds but I think that a military coup is probably the best way to ensure human rights and freedom is upheld over there.

Airline staff bare the brunt of holiday makers woes constantly, punchbags for the hard of thinking.

[Hibee87]

Just watched a few periscope live in instanbul, seems to be crowds gathering but I couldn't make our if was cheering or not

[The_Exile]

Bet Boris is wishing he got given another job now! Reports of an explosion in Ankara.

[Hibee87]

I genuinely don't know about Turkish politics if this is a good thing or not

[Matty_Jack04]

Someone at my work was due to fly out to Turkey tomorrow morning for a two week holiday as well.

I can't see that happening now.

My old boy was due out tomorrow not gonna happen now he's gutted at least he's not over there and stuck though

[High-On-Hibs]

I genuinely don't know about Turkish politics if this is a good thing or not

Basically Turkey's Government (AKP) have been pushing forward an authoritarian regime. They've implemented a bill that removes immunities from parliament members, which would effectively allow them to force out opposition parties from parliament. Most notably the HDP. There's also been reports of arrests of journalists and protesters who have spoken out against the regime. It's reached a point now where some members of the turkish armed forced have effectively self declared martial law in order to protect Turkish civilians who are being impacted by the authoritarian regime.

Needless to say, Turkeys in a right mess.

[Hibee87]

Basically Turkey's Government (AKP) have been pushing forward an authoritarian regime. They've implemented a bill that removes immunities from parliament members, which would effectively allow them to force out opposition parties from parliament. Most notably the HDP. There's also been reports of arrests of journalists and protesters who have spoken out against the regime. It's reached a point now where some members of the turkish armed forced have effectively self declared martial law in order to protect Turkish civilians who are being impacted by the authoritarian regime.

Needless to say, Turkeys in a right mess.

Thanks. Would hope its a peaceful takeover, but blasts and gunfire being heard. Not good

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I genuinely don't know about Turkish politics if this is a good thing or not

My initial reaction is it is a good thing.

And i woyld guess that senior military leaders would have dicussed this with key nato allies beforehand, so it probably has our blessing.

Erdogan seemed to be pushing the secularism too far - hopefully this is the push back.

[CropleyWasGod]

My initial reaction is it is a good thing.

And i woyld guess that senior military leaders would have dicussed this with key nato allies beforehand, so it probably has our blessing.

Erdogan seemed to be pushing the secularism too far - hopefully this is the push back.

Yet...The military group's statement on national broadcaster TRT, read by an announcer, said that democratic and secular rule of law had been eroded by the current government.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Yet...The military group's statement on national broadcaster TRT, read by an announcer, said that democratic and secular rule of law had been eroded by the current government.

Sorry, that is what i meant - pushing secularism out of the way, as opposed to pushing it on people.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/israel-and-turkey-to-announce-end-of-six-year-stand-off

Just a few weeks ago. Some elements in Turkey would have been not best pleased, either ideologically or financially (the natural gas pipeline has the capacity to change the worlds energy market from what I've been reading). Very big money indeed.

[stokesmessiah]

Is this not something to do with the Muslim Cleric guy that lives out in the States???

I read an article about it a while back and the jist was that he has been behind several attempted coups.

Gulen, here is an article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25885817

[(((Fergus)))]

That'll be another lie from the Brexit team, no way are Turkey getting into the Eu.

You reckon they were in on it with the Turkish military? If they manage to restore the secular character it will bring them more into line with EU criteria.


my holiday destination list is drastically reducing in size as the weeks go by, i'm down to spain and portugal now...sure i heard on the news last night that spain could be on the Daesh hit list as well :rolleyes: can't see this trouble ever going away

Greece might appeal.

[(((Fergus)))]

Is this not something to do with the Muslim Cleric guy that lives out in the States???

I read an article about it a while back and the jist was that he has been behind several attempted coups.

Gulen, here is an article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25885817

erdo**** is blaming him but who knows. Could just be using him as a bogey man.

[(((Fergus)))]

My initial reaction is it is a good thing.

And i woyld guess that senior military leaders would have dicussed this with key nato allies beforehand, so it probably has our blessing.

Erdogan seemed to be pushing the secularism too far - hopefully this is the push back.

It seems to have taken the State Department/White House by surprise, according to sources in Washington, but then most things do.

[Jack]

It seems to have taken the State Department/White House by surprise, according to sources in Washington, but then most things do.

When Boris Johnson was told he ordered more sage and onion stuffing and lashings of cranberry sauce.

[Mibbes Aye]

Question for me is whether it's the full weight of the military or a faction within.

If it's a concerted effort involving most of the senior command then it's hard to see how it can fail.

If it's a faction within the military, without buy-in from key senior officers, then it's a different story and sadly could become very messy.

[High-On-Hibs]

Question for me is whether it's the full weight of the military or a faction within.

If it's a concerted effort involving most of the senior command then it's hard to see how it can fail.

If it's a faction within the military, without buy-in from key senior officers, then it's a different story and sadly could become very messy.

It's being reported as a faction. But I wouldn't put much trust in any news coming out of Turkey at the moment. Their media is hugely state regulated.

[The_Exile]

Their media is hugely state regulated.

Not any more it's not.

[Mibbes Aye]

US more or less coming out in support of the elected government, suggesting it certainly isn't a coup with the backing of the full military command.

[Hibee87]

Reports that military jets are trying to shoot down helicopters and 17 police men killed from the air. Sounds like it's going to get very messy.

[stoneyburn hibs]

No chance imo. Mate of mine has been stuck at the airport for a few hours now, all airports closed apparently and a curfew in place.

Tbf to him he is taking it well, apparently a few folk having a go at airline staff for 'ruining their holiday'. Mental behaviour.

Hopefully your mate is with ABTA.

[High-On-Hibs]

Not any more it's not.

So they say anyway.

[cabbageandribs1875]

so, that's that then, good or bad ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36813924

Some 2,839 soldiers, including high-ranking officers, have been arrested over an attempted coup that is now over, says Turkey's PM Binali Yildirim.
In a night he called a "black stain on Turkish democracy", he said 161 people had been killed and 1,440 wounded.

[cabbageandribs1875]

You reckon they were in on it with the Turkish military? If they manage to restore the secular character it will bring them more into line with EU criteria.



Greece might appeal.


i might just end up taking the advice the village people sang about all those years ago....and Go West



:greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Looking at the half baked way they've gone about this, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the government themselves were behind this. Now watch the military, kurds and unions bare the brunt of the backlash.

[High-On-Hibs]

so, that's that then, good or bad ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36813924

Some 2,839 soldiers, including high-ranking officers, have been arrested over an attempted coup that is now over, says Turkey's PM Binali Yildirim.
In a night he called a "black stain on Turkish democracy", he said 161 people had been killed and 1,440 wounded.

It depends on one's view of democracy. People who support the current regime will argue that they were democratically elected. People who are against it will argue that the Government are pushing an anti-democratic agenda which will shut down debate and weaken opposition parties through process.

[CropleyWasGod]

When Boris Johnson was told he ordered more sage and onion stuffing and lashings of cranberry sauce.
Turkey?

He thought it was Torquay.

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[Moulin Yarns]

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[(((Fergus)))]

Turkey?

He thought it was Torquay.

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Boris Johnson's great-grandfather was a Turkish writer and politician (Ali Kemal) who was accused of treason and then lynched by a mob during the Turkish War of Independence. He was hanged from a tree, his head smashed with cudgels, and stoned to death; "his blood-covered body was subsequently hanged with an epitaph across his chest which read, 'Artin Kemal'. This bestowal of a fictitious Armenian name [he was an outspoken critic of the Armenian Genocide] administered a final indignity to the victim." Plus ca change.

Johnson probably has a decent working knowledge of Turkey and its history of political violence.

[Jonnyboy]

I'd let them board the plane and fly them in and leave them to sunbathe under a sea of ak47 bullets.

My nephew and his girlfriend/girlfriends family have been on holiday in Turkey since before the attempted coup. Do they deserve to be fired upon too?