Shrewsbury Town v Hibernian

[Dashing Bob S]

We're all experts from the stands, but I'd be interested to know how decent some of the posters on here were at the game, if they played at any level.

I shall start. I was always enthusiastic, but sadly had very skill or reading of the game. I can see what needs to be done on TV, but on the pitch I didn't have the 'helicopter vision' and awareness of others, which I think makes a good player. Therefore I played low level Sunday amateur at best, falling into pub league kick abouts. Always loved playing, was never any good at it; win a tackle, boot it up the park, or lay it off to somebody could play a bit, were my limitations. Stopped several years ago when knees and stamina gave out.

Of course, that never stops me from critiquing others as if I was a Maradonna/Beckenbaur hybrid.

[blackpoolhibs]

Shrewsbury were ****3. 1563 attendance. Some very good Hibs performances. Will be backing Shrewsbury for relegation. Us for Championship. 5/4 still available. Get on. Better than a savings account.

How is our pals ears, still affecting his balance? :wink:

[Cabbage East]

You are Hibs Transfer News on Twitter.

That would explain a lot.

[brog]

Brief bounce? Fenlon had 4 wins and 3 draws from the first 11 games. Butcher got 4 wins and 7 draws from 25 games.

I'm 100% convinced we wouldn't have been relegated and all facts point to this.

Butcher actually had 4 wins & 4 draws from his first 11 league games, it all went Pete Tong after that. Let's face it we're arguing over 2 very poor managers & it's impossible to say that wee Pat would or wouldn't have had us relegated.

[Smartie]

We had poor players playing poorly who were 5th and on a run of 2 losses in 9? That isn't an odd result skewing anything, that is decent form.

We've been over this before and neither of us will budge on this.

How many had they won? How many goals had they scored?

They were out the league cup (having been beaten at home by the Hearts kids) and had been an embarrassment in the early derby as well.

They were playing keech and going nowhere. Just because Butcher came in and was ultimately worse doesn't mean there weren't an awful lot of problems and that we were doing anything right.

FWIW I actually liked Pat. I thought he did very well in his other seasons with us. He inherited an absolute shambles and his sticking plasters did fairly well. That squad was horrible though and was deservedly relegated, although I am sure the fact that we ended up with the players we did was more down to Petrie and his negotiations that anyone actually thinking that chucking those players together was ever going to make a footballing unit that would achieve anything.

I reckon we've hung onto the only players worth hanging onto as well. I wouldn't take any of the rest of them for our reserves (given our reserve team did as well as they did against Birmingham).

I agree that we shouldn't really be looking back and I'm massively grateful that we've come as far as we have since then.

[Lancs Harp]

Another good preseason result, however a good pre season isn't measured by the pre season results its measured by how we start the season proper. Lose our first two league games and being unbeaten in pre season means nothing at all.

Signs are good though. http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/thumbs%20up.gif


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[NorthNorfolkHFC]

I've not done much reading. How'd Martin do?


"A friend of mine once said he liked his women like his parmesan: strong smelling and shaved"

[DaveF]

I've not done much reading. How'd Martin do?


Also be good to hear any views on Harris and his performance? Big game for both these lads.

[CyberSauzee]

How is our pals ears, still affecting his balance? :wink:

In good form mate. Much better than I was this morning!
Great wee town is Shrewsbury. Great night out last night. Not a patch on Churchill's in Blackpool mind. And not a tranny in sight.

[RCNG]

Signs of any highlights?

[Alfred E Newman]

Also be good to hear any views on Harris and his performance? Big game for both these lads.

Put him out on loan, he'll never make it , too soft, blah blah blah

[CyberSauzee]

Just reading some replies on here and I've obviously missed the bit where it went from discussing the Shrewsbury game to comparisons with Butcher and Fenlon.

We definitely need a Hibs.net version of Godwin's Law. Without dragging up the demons I suggest calling it Calderwood Law.

[HibbyAndy]

How did the young goaly Laidlaw cope today ? Any dangerous crosses or corners whipped into the box today ? Distribution , Kicking , Talking back etc ?

[HibsNutter]

Time to look forward, I'm no longer interested in the bleak days of Fenlon/Butcher - especially in a current Match day thread.

:aok:. So much to look forward to and celebrate regarding Hibs these days, why does utter crap from the past keep popping up?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

And not a tranny in sight.

Most folk listen to the radio on their phone these days! ;-)

[RoxburghHibs]

Signs of any highlights?

Not seen any yet but did find some pics

http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2016/07/31/shrewsbury-town-1-hibernian-4-report/town2-4/

[bigwheel]

Yip, Fenlons time was up, but for Petrie to employ Terry ****in Butcher on his managerial career, it just goes to show you the kind of background checks that man did.

Butcher should never have been anywhere near the club, him and his sidekick took us down, along with the man who appointed him.

Fenlon while boring the crap out of us, would never have took us down in my opinion.

I was reliably informed by someone who was at the board meeting post Fenlon's departure that the board decided to go after Butcher and no one else. They stopped considering other candidates. They were after only him.

They reached out to see if he was interested, got a positive response then set about doing a deal..and didn't even probe deeply about his plans.

There were no checks done on Butcher. Even at the time of him flying high, there were already rumours of discontent by some of the more senior pros at Caley..

He is unquestionably the worst manager we have ever had...




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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Just reading some replies on here and I've obviously missed the bit where it went from discussing the Shrewsbury game to comparisons with Butcher and Fenlon.

We definitely need a Hibs.net version of Godwin's Law. Without dragging up the demons I suggest calling it Calderwood Law.

Any-wins Law during the Calderclown era would have been appreciated!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Signs of any highlights?

Dude on periscope worth a watch

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Not seen any yet but did find some pics

http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2016/07/31/shrewsbury-town-1-hibernian-4-report/town2-4/

Thx. I know Hanlon is a legend but didn't know he'd taken copyright on his name ;)

[DaveF]

Virtanen was the only sub not to get any game time.

[Andy74]

Butcher actually had 4 wins & 4 draws from his first 11 league games, it all went Pete Tong after that. Let's face it we're arguing over 2 very poor managers & it's impossible to say that wee Pat would or wouldn't have had us relegated.

The idea that there was even a remote hope of going down before Burcher arrived is ridiculous. I've no idea why it's even being discussed. It wouldn't have happened, never mind this impossible to say stuff, it wasn't happening.

[Thecat23]

Everything happens for a reason. I may be the only one on here but I'm glad things went the way it did. We wouldn't have seen a huge overhaul of the club and still been a rudderless ship.

We were lucky to have The Rangers and Hearts so we didn't lose anything. We have had great cup runs too which more than covered us and were able to bring in Dylan, McGinn etc.

We should now win this league without any excuses as we have a great manager so for me you can ram your Pat Fenlon and Butcher chat, it's about moving forward. Both those managers were utter crap when it came to tactics. We now have Lennon who's won cups and leagues in Scotland as a manager so knows how it's done.

[KSA Hibee]

Everything happens for a reason. I may be the only one on here but I'm glad things went the way it did. We wouldn't have seen a huge overhaul of the club and still been a rudderless ship.

We were lucky to have The Rangers and Hearts so we didn't lose anything. We have had great cup runs too which more than covered us and were able to bring in Dylan, McGinn etc.

We should now win this league without any excuses as we have a great manager so for me you can ram your Pat Fenlon and Butcher chat, it's about moving forward. Both those managers were utter crap when it came to tactics. We now have Lennon who's won cups and leagues in Scotland as a manager so knows how it's done.

What he says 👍

[Danderhall Hibs]

The idea that there was even a remote hope of going down before Burcher arrived is ridiculous. I've no idea why it's even being discussed. It wouldn't have happened, never mind this impossible to say stuff, it wasn't happening.

I remember thinking/talking about getting into the top 4 early in the new year - just after the 2-2 game at tannadice (when Butcher was the manager).

God knows what happened after the match up there that day - looked like another comfortable win, 2 late goals then an absolute collapse.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Everything happens for a reason. I may be the only one on here but I'm glad things went the way it did. We wouldn't have seen a huge overhaul of the club and still been a rudderless ship.

We were lucky to have The Rangers and Hearts so we didn't lose anything. We have had great cup runs too which more than covered us and were able to bring in Dylan, McGinn etc.

We should now win this league without any excuses as we have a great manager so for me you can ram your Pat Fenlon and Butcher chat, it's about moving forward. Both those managers were utter crap when it came to tactics. We now have Lennon who's won cups and leagues in Scotland as a manager so knows how it's done.

Said the same for long enough mate, as crazy as it sounds relegation was actually the best thing to happen to us. Complete overhaul and shakedown from top to bottom.

The club is in such a healthier position and has re-engaged with the supporters again. GGTTH

[Thecat23]

Said the same for long enough mate, as crazy as it sounds relegation was actually the best thing to happen to us. Complete overhaul and shakedown from top to bottom.

The club is in such a healthier position and has re-engaged with the supporters again. GGTTH

Exactly, the proof is in the ST sold mate. Fans were walking away under Fenlons horrific football then it just got worse when Butcher told everyone they will be binned and how ***** they all are.

Now the club and fans are pulling as one in the same direction. Only way is up from here.

[blackpoolhibs]

Pretty sure Stubbs would rather have started his job in the SPL, and so would i and the club, but Petrie and his wonderful manager put paid to that.

[Thecat23]

Pretty sure Stubbs would rather have started his job in the SPL, and so would i and the club, but Petrie and his wonderful manager put paid to that.

That's not my point BH. Yes Stubbs would have rather that and as a fan yes I'd like it too. But if it takes what happened to have a complete overhaul then sometimes in life taking the fall makes you stronger.

[Aldo]

That's not my point BH. Yes Stubbs would have rather that and as a fan yes I'd like it too. But if it takes what happened to have a complete overhaul then sometimes in life taking the fall makes you stronger.

Get your point. We had however been in decline since winning the CIS Cup in 2007 before both took up their roles with the club.

So instead of building on that success we went into a massive downward spiral.

Every cloud and all that though!

[blackpoolhibs]

That's not my point BH. Yes Stubbs would have rather that and as a fan yes I'd like it too. But if it takes what happened to have a complete overhaul then sometimes in life taking the fall makes you stronger.

I think we'd be even better had Stubbs taken over when we were in the top division.

[Thecat23]

Get your point. We had however been in decline since winning the CIS Cup in 2007 before both took up their roles with the club.

So instead of building on that success we went into a massive downward spiral.

Every cloud and all that though!

I totally agree Al. We didn't kick on and it's just got worse. But folk are on about Butcher and Fenlon the last two managers before Stubbs came in and to be honest that's when we were at our lowest point.

[Lee Marvin]

That's not my point BH. Yes Stubbs would have rather that and as a fan yes I'd like it too. But if it takes what happened to have a complete overhaul then sometimes in life taking the fall makes you stronger.

Who is to say we would have ended up with stubbs if we hadn't got relegated anyway. We probably wouldn't have.

And, we almost certainly therefore wouldn't have won the holy grail.

Praise the Lord for Sir Terrance Butcher ;)

[Thecat23]

I think we'd be even better had Stubbs taken over when we were in the top division.

I agree.

[Thecat23]

Who is to say we would have ended up with stubbs if we hadn't got relegated anyway. We probably wouldn't have.

And, we almost certainly therefore wouldn't have won the holy grail.

Praise the Lord for Sir Terrance Butcher ;)

😁👍🏼

[Aldo]

I totally agree Al. We didn't kick on and it's just got worse. But folk are on about Butcher and Fenlon the last two managers before Stubbs came in and to be honest that's when we were at our lowest point.

Hopefully now we are going to kick on and get out of this division with another couple of good cup runs to boot!!

[Mr White]

Who is to say we would have ended up with stubbs if we hadn't got relegated anyway. We probably wouldn't have.

And, we almost certainly therefore wouldn't have won the holy grail.

Praise the Lord for Sir Terrance Butcher ;)

Sometimes the reality of dropping like a stone and suffering the most embarrassing and avoidable relegation in the history of world football and subsequently destroying all morale and hope within the squad, club and support... takes away the fear of...

I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

Thanks Tel :greengrin

[Hibby Bairn]

Well I stopped my ST after 17 straight years when Fenlon was there and 30 mins ago bought 2 new ones for this season.

The club is on the up and I now enjoy going to Easter Road once again.

[Lee Marvin]

Sometimes the reality of dropping like a stone and suffering the most embarrassing and avoidable relegation in the history of world football and subsequently destroying all morale and hope within the squad, club and support... takes away the fear of... etc etc etc. Thanks Tel.

He is the most important manager in the history of this great football club in my book...

[Mr White]

He is the most important manager in the history of this great football club in my book...

His impact to days in charge ratio is in a league of it's own that's for sure.

[blackpoolhibs]

I agree.

So it was not that great then, if by some miracle we'd hung on against Hamilton, Dempster would still have punted Butcher.

The players Stubbs signed would still have signed, and maybe we'd have signed even better ones with still being in the SPL.

Stubbs team were obviously better against better teams, and even after 2 seasons we struggled to win some games against some bloody awful teams.

We are now preparing for a third season in the 2nd tier, on the back of a Scottish cup win.

His team could very well have won it if playing in the top division, nobody will ever know.

I dont believe we needed to be in this division for a revival to happen, Mowbray did ok with bringing in players like Murphy Zemmama Benji Jones Stewart Sheils Killen, having a complete overhaul of players does not mean you have to start at the bottom, in fact it could be argued its easier.

And Mowbrays team without a cup win brought in more season ticket holders.

[The Modfather]

Put him out on loan, he'll never make it , too soft, blah blah blah

Never understood the point of glib responses like this.

[Mr White]

So it was not that great then, if by some miracle we'd hung on against Hamilton, Dempster would still have punted Butcher.

The players Stubbs signed would still have signed, and maybe we'd have signed even better ones with still being in the SPL.

Stubbs team were obviously better against better teams, and even after 2 seasons we struggled to win some games against some bloody awful teams.

We are now preparing for a third season in the 2nd tier, on the back of a Scottish cup win.

His team could very well have won it if playing in the top division, nobody will ever know.

I dont believe we needed to be in this division for a revival to happen, Mowbray did ok with bringing in players like Murphy Zemmama Benji Jones Stewart Sheils Killen, having a complete overhaul of players does not mean you have to start at the bottom, in fact it could be argued its easier.

And Mowbrays team without a cup win brought in more season ticket holders.
Only 2 of the players mentioned there were brought to the club during Mowbray s first 12 months. You can't seriously be comparing what Mowbray inherited to the mess that stubbs got showered in?

[ehf]

:yawn:
The idea that there was even a remote hope of going down before Burcher arrived is ridiculous. I've no idea why it's even being discussed. It wouldn't have happened, never mind this impossible to say stuff, it wasn't happening.

:yawn:

[The Modfather]

Only 2 of the players mentioned there were brought to the club during Mowbray s first 12 months. You can't seriously be comparing what Mowbray inherited to the mess that stubbs got showered in?

A fair point, but it can't be argued the impact Mowbray had in such a short space of time. His team in his first season wasn't without it's faults but he turned the style around overnight.

[Mr White]

A fair point, but it can't be argued the impact Mowbray had in such a short space of time. His team in his first season wasn't without it's faults but he turned the style around overnight.

The reason Mowbray came here was he was well aware of the wealth of talented young players we had that already had significant first team experience. He fancied his chances of moulding them into a good side with a few additions and he did a great job. Very different situation to Stubbs arrival though?

[blackpoolhibs]

Only 2 of the players mentioned there were brought to the club during Mowbray s first 12 months. You can't seriously be comparing what Mowbray inherited to the mess that stubbs got showered in?

No i'm not comparing the timing or what he inherited at all. I'm saying Stubbs obviously has an eye for a player, and the players he signed would have flourished in the top division rather than where we are playing our football again for the 3rd season.

So no i dont agree being relegated was the best thing to happen to us, and i also dont think most of the support, club, or Stubbs would think that either.

[Nailsea Hibby]

Just back good team performance, did anybody see the prat who lobbed the half bottle off beer at the steward just missing him, was spoken to, lucky not to have been tossed out at the very least, why :confused::confused::confused:

[The Modfather]

The idea that there was even a remote hope of going down before Burcher arrived is ridiculous. I've no idea why it's even being discussed. It wouldn't have happened, never mind this impossible to say stuff, it wasn't happening.

We might not have gone down that season, but we would certainly have been in and around the bottom of the table, bottom 6 for sure.

Fenlon, judged on his own merit and not on what happened when he left, had to go when he did. It's not much of a defence of Fenlon that in hindsight we would have been better off writing the rest of the season because we wouldn't have gone down.

He did inherent a shambles, so there are mitigating factors, but his whole outlook was setting up teams not to get beat, once we did concede more often than not the game was up do to our chronic lack of pace, width and any creativity. Which seems ludicrous given how poor our defence was.

Nice man, but his teams were eye bleeding to watch.

[Mr White]

So no i dont agree being relegated was the best thing to happen to us, and i also dont think most of the support, club, or Stubbs would think that either.

I don't think anyone's saying that. But it was the start of the path that led to the cup win and it's hard to say how things would have panned out if we'd stayed up as it's simply guesswork.

[Thecat23]

So it was not that great then, if by some miracle we'd hung on against Hamilton, Dempster would still have punted Butcher.

The players Stubbs signed would still have signed, and maybe we'd have signed even better ones with still being in the SPL.

Stubbs team were obviously better against better teams, and even after 2 seasons we struggled to win some games against some bloody awful teams.

We are now preparing for a third season in the 2nd tier, on the back of a Scottish cup win.

His team could very well have won it if playing in the top division, nobody will ever know.

I dont believe we needed to be in this division for a revival to happen, Mowbray did ok with bringing in players like Murphy Zemmama Benji Jones Stewart Sheils Killen, having a complete overhaul of players does not mean you have to start at the bottom, in fact it could be argued its easier.

And Mowbrays team without a cup win brought in more season ticket holders.

How do you know Demster was sacking Butcher if we stayed up? That's a guess yeah?

I agree it would be great for Stubbs to start on the Prem but that never happened and prob wouldn't have had we survived. So going down has helped us. You seem awful angry at this surely you can move on no?

[Thecat23]

Not only that Mowbray didn't take over a team with only 4 players listed. And on the back of relegation. To compare them is ludicrous!!

When your team goes down fans take the huff Mowbray wouldn't have got 14k in this league that's a cert.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't think anyone's saying that. But it was the start of the path that led to the cup win and it's hard to say how things would have panned out if we'd stayed up as it's simply guesswork.

I replied to thecat23 who said.

(Everything happens for a reason. I may be the only one on here but I'm glad things went the way it did. We wouldn't have seen a huge overhaul of the club and still been a rudderless ship.)

I disagree, i hate being in this division and i dont think we'd be a rudderless ship.

[Lee Marvin]

If we didn't get relegated, the chances of Stubbs ever setting foot in this club are slim. If alan stubbs doesn't set foot in this club, the chance of us winning the Scottish are as slim as they have been since 1902.

Knowing how it has all panned out, I can honestly say I'm delighted we were relegated. Delighted.

[blackpoolhibs]

If we don't get relegated, the chances of Stubbs ever setting foot in this club are slim. If alan stubbs doesn't set foot in this club, the chance of us winning the Scottish are as slim as they have been since 1902.

Knowing how it has all panned out, I can honestly say I'm delighted we know got relegated. Delighted.

Again i disagree, Dempster thought she was coming to the club and would be with an SPL club.

We dont know what she'd have done once she got her foot in the door, but what we do know is she punted Butcher after speaking to him about the way he wanted to go forward.

Stubbs would still have come once she got rid of Butcher if we were still in the SPL.

[Mr White]

I replied to thecat23 who said.

(Everything happens for a reason. I may be the only one on here but I'm glad things went the way it did. We wouldn't have seen a huge overhaul of the club and still been a rudderless ship.)

I disagree, i hate being in this division and i dont think we'd be a rudderless ship.


Fair enough. Though I'd disagree that anything about Stubbs' arrival was easy or that needing the overhaul of staff that he did is comparable to the situation faced by any other manager in our recent history.

[cleanyman]

Being relegated was *****. One of the worst relegations in history.

***** league we are in and I can't wait until we are out of it

[Thecat23]

I replied to thecat23 who said.

(Everything happens for a reason. I may be the only one on here but I'm glad things went the way it did. We wouldn't have seen a huge overhaul of the club and still been a rudderless ship.)

I disagree, i hate being in this division and i dont think we'd be a rudderless ship.


But we were a rudderless ship. That's what I'm saying! If it meant going down to sack Butcher and have a complete change then I think most would take it.

You don't think we'd be rudderless if Stubbs came in and most would agree but it's the fact we WERE. That's the point!

[blackpoolhibs]

How do you know Demster was sacking Butcher if we stayed up? That's a guess yeah?

I agree it would be great for Stubbs to start on the Prem but that never happened and prob wouldn't have had we survived. So going down has helped us. You seem awful angry at this surely you can move on no?

Of course its a guess, but with what she said in her interview with Grant Stott and Butchers plans on the way forward, i do think she would have sacked him regardless of what division we were in.

Why am i angry for having a different opinion to you? :confused: Next i will be trolling. :rolleyes:

[Thecat23]

Being relegated was *****. One of the worst relegations in history.

***** league we are in and I can't wait until we are out of it

I think we all agree on that. What the point is we may have needed it to see the changes because watching the football of Butcher/Fenlon was pointless. We were never winning any cups under them or making top 5.

Now I think we are already a top 5 club we now just need to win the league which I think we should and will win it.

[Lee Marvin]

Again i disagree, Dempster thought she was coming to the club and would be with an SPL club.

We dont know what she'd have done once she got her foot in the door, but what we do know is she punted Butcher after speaking to him about the way he wanted to go forward.

Stubbs would still have come once she got rid of Butcher if we were still in the SPL.

The thing is, you do not know that. Butcher getting us relegated would have had a huge baring on leeann's decision to punt butcher. I'm not saying he would have stayed if we had stayed up, but there is certainly a chance he may have.

Also, who is to say she would have hired stubbs if she did sack him. She could easily have wanted a different manager, a more expensive manager, due to us being in the SPL.

So, your point is purely guesswork. Winning the scottish cup last year is a fact.

[Thecat23]

Of course its a guess, but with what she said in her interview with Grant Stott and Butchers plans on the way forward, i do think she would have sacked him regardless of what division we were in.

Why am i angry for having a different opinion to you? :confused: Next i will be trolling. :rolleyes:

At least you can admit it's a guess. Had he stayed up the pressure to sack him wouldn't be anywhere near as bad.

Have a different opinion all you want 😂 I was on about Petire and how you seem to still have a bee in your bonnet. I don't like him being here either but such is life.

Your not trolling at all if I thought you were I'd tell you and tell you where to go. 😁👍🏼

[blackpoolhibs]

Fair enough. Though I'd disagree that anything about Stubbs' arrival was easy or that needing the overhaul of staff that he did is comparable to the situation faced by any other manager in our recent history.

I agree, and have said it many times. We are still in the 2nd tier after 3 seasons, obviously not great, but we have the cup at last, obviously great.

I believe Dempster would have punted Butcher irrespective of what league we were in, the clues are in her interview with Grant Stott.

If we dont get up this season, i wonder how many will still be saying it was a great thing?

I still think being relegated was one of the worst things we have gone through in my lifetime as a fan, and staying down for a minimum of 3 season is just awful.

Just as well we won the cup though, can you imagine this place had we not? :greengrin

[J-C]

LD would have heard about the bullying and seen the pish football Butcher had us playing, she would've punted him as he's a dinosaur. She wanted a young progressive forward thinking manager to take the club forward, it's a pity it had to be in a league lower and allowing Butcher to get rid of so many players was a bloody disgrace, even Stubbs agreed he'd have kept some of them for his squad.

[Mr White]

If we dont get up this season, i wonder how many will still be saying it was a great thing?



Just as well we won the cup though, can you imagine this place had we not? :greengrin

Nobodies saying it was a great thing. Nobody. What people are saying is that it started us on a road that led to a great thing and nobody knows how things would have panned out if we'd stayed up.

[Thecat23]

Nobodies saying it was a great thing. Nobody. What people are saying is that it started us on a road that led to a great thing and nobody knows how things would have panned out if we'd stayed up.

Exactly!

[blackpoolhibs]

LD would have heard about the bullying and seen the pish football Butcher had us playing, she would've punted him as he's a dinosaur. She wanted a young progressive forward thinking manager to take the club forward, it's a pity it had to be in a league lower and allowing Butcher to get rid of so many players was a bloody disgrace, even Stubbs agreed he'd have kept some of them for his squad.

All guesswork. :greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

Relegation can never, ever be viewed as anything other than ****ing disastrous.
I've had to put up with it three times in my puff and the first couple of times we steamrolled our way back. The club was 'rebuilt' each time.
This time we are facing a third attempt at getting back and it is unfathomable, attractive as the side have been / are.
We better get back. If we don't no one on here will be giving a flying one about how we won the cup the season before and Stubbs will be confined simply to the current issue of the Hibs Handbook, albeit with a floral wreath. The wreaths of Butcher and Fenlon less floral.

[blackpoolhibs]

Nobodies saying it was a great thing. Nobody. What people are saying is that it started us on a road that led to a great thing and nobody knows how things would have panned out if we'd stayed up.

If we'd stayed up, i think we'd have won both cups and maybe the league, thats how this works right? :confused:

[J-C]

All guesswork. :greengrin

But good guesswork :wink::greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

Relegation can never, ever be viewed as anything other than ****ing disastrous.
I've had to put up with it three times in my puff and the first couple of times we steamrolled our way back. The club was 'rebuilt' each time.
This time we are facing a third attempt at getting back and it is unfathomable, attractive as the side have been / are.
We better get back. If we don't no one on here will be giving a flying one about how we won the cup the season before and Stubbs will be confined simply to the current issue of the Hibs Handbook, albeit with a floral wreath. The wreaths of Butcher and Fenlon less floral.

PS I'm gonna scroll further back the way now, as I was there today and only clicked on to see what the others made of it. I only added to the digression.......

[Mr White]

All guesswork. :greengrin

That's right. Keep at it BH, you'll get there eventually. Nobody knows how the thread would have panned out if you'd got there a little quicker right enough. Maybe there would have been a return of some actual discussion of today's game :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

That's right. Keep at it BH, you'll get there eventually. Nobody knows how the thread would have panned out if you'd got there a little quicker right enough. Maybe there would have been a return of some actual discussion of today's game :greengrin

Dont be daft. :greengrin

[Lee Marvin]

Relegation can never, ever be viewed as anything other than ****ing disastrous.
.

At the time, you are absolutely correct. But people are using the benefit if hindsight to form an opinion that it has actually turned out alright:

- Scottish cuo win
- 2nd highest season ticket sales ever
- my personal favourite season ever supporting hibs (subjective)
- a squad vastly superior to that of any in the last ten years

So yes, I'd take that over the unknown if butcher had kept us up

[Mr White]

If we'd stayed up, i think we'd have won both cups and maybe the league, thats how this works right? :confused:

You're right in so much as you're free to think whatever you like. Seems a little far fetched to me though tbh.

[Baw187]

Soooooooo..... Any views from those that were at the game today on who did well? This is the Shrewsbury vs. Hibs thread is it not? [emoji848]


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[Lee Marvin]

If we'd stayed up, i think we'd have won both cups and maybe the league, thats how this works right? :confused:

Good reply

[Capt Mainwaring]

This thread desperately needs a "just back" injection - lets get on with the the positivity of the present....

[matty_f]

Soooooooo..... Any views from those that were at the game today on who did well? This is the Shrewsbury vs. Hibs thread is it not? [emoji848]


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:agree:
Any highlights from the game?

[Hibby Bairn]

How did Harris and Martin do today?

[Iggy Pope]

Soooooooo..... Any views from those that were at the game today on who did well? This is the Shrewsbury vs. Hibs thread is it not? [emoji848]


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I can honestly say that if the fellah who was 'periscoping' the game from behind me is on here and was the balloon who spilt his smuggled beer......Twice......Then you were lucky not to get a soggy trainer in the puss friend and you are one of the reasons we might never see alcohol on sale within a Scottish concourse.

Hibs were far too good for Shrewsbury today. Different planet. I'd like to hear the Halifax based guy (HH)? and his thoughts now about the standard we are playing at. These appear to be dark times for these clubs. Conference standard.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

:agree:
Any highlights from the game?

Or even any goal footage?

[Finn2015]

Certainly it's the most obvious thing im the world to say we need back but after two years in this league, it is crucial now to get back. Some may disagree with the following but I'll say it any way. I've always thought unfortunately that the Glasgow two are the big monsters and dominant forces in our game and that will probably never change. However, I'd rank us alongside (at least potentially) the yams and Aberdeen and certainly, we should be a top 5/6 club in Scotland. Everything else is there to suggest that except, unfortunately, in our current league position. We need to make this our objective. In my book, we shouldn't be a club that even worries about relegation never mind being in this league. We should be a regular top half of the premier league in this country. It's time we delivered that and consolidate our position in this regard in years to come

[Nicho87]

Did we start 3-4-3 or 4-4-2

[Baldy Foghorn]

This thread desperately needs a "just back" injection - lets get on with the the positivity of the present....

Just back, played some lovely football at times. Martin did well can slot into midfield when Fyvie, Bartley, McGeouch are missing. Great run for Holt goal.

Defended well, Laidlaw had a couple of decent stops, communicated well, and kicked well.

Think Holt is the type of forward we have been crying out for.

[Mr White]

Just back, played some lovely football at times. Martin did well can slot into midfield when Fyvie, Bartley, McGeouch are missing. Great run for Holt goal.

Defended well, Laidlaw had a couple of decent stops, communicated well, and kicked well.

Think Holt is the type of forward we have been crying out for.
Did Stanton feature at all BF?

[Baldy Foghorn]

PS we battered them at times, they looked average at best, maybe I am biased as I dislike McGivern:greengrin

[Baldy Foghorn]

Did Stanton feature at all BF?

Came on as a sub 20 minutes to go

[Mr White]

Came on as a sub 20 minutes to go

Any impact?

[northstandhibby]

Certainly it's the most obvious thing im the world to say we need back but after two years in this league, it is crucial now to get back. Some may disagree with the following but I'll say it any way. I've always thought unfortunately that the Glasgow two are the big monsters and dominant forces in our game and that will probably never change. However, I'd rank us alongside (at least potentially) the yams and Aberdeen and certainly, we should be a top 5/6 club in Scotland. Everything else is there to suggest that except, unfortunately, in our current league position. We need to make this our objective. In my book, we shouldn't be a club that even worries about relegation never mind being in this league. We should be a regular top half of the premier league in this country. It's time we delivered that and consolidate our position in this regard in years to come

Agree with this. It's very difficult to maintain a good team when we have the vultures like Celtic and The Rangers who swoop in and steal the good players when they appear. I think of Scotty Brown Whittaker etc and even the small clubs in Engerland now have vast resources. The thing is I think we had a great team last year with Hendo and Stokesy on board also. Mcginn is a major talent, Cummings is a goalscoring machine, Gray Fontaine Hanlon McGregor ect ect ect. The key is to build on the really good season ticket sales this year which helps pay to keep these talented players.


GGTTH

[Baldy Foghorn]

Any impact?

Couple of nice touches passes/touches, but not too involved

[Mr White]

Couple of nice touches passes/touches, but not too involved

:aok:

[southsider]

:aok:
What really annoys me is how bbc down plays our Europa cup. Hertz and Hibs got knocked out early. (Us to a good side them to a pub team) but no distinction between the two. Dons are next and Celtic might get thru. Watched Barca in 2nd gear toy with them. 20 players & no Liam what does that say ? Come home son, we love u.

[Vault Boy]

What a great pre season. 😊

[Jonnyboy]

Soooooooo..... Any views from those that were at the game today on who did well? This is the Shrewsbury vs. Hibs thread is it not? [emoji848]


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How did Harris and Martin do today?

Back on track without a Butcher or Fenlon in sight :greengrin

I enjoyed the day out although a 4am start and not long home made it a long day. One highlight was when my mate and I stopped on the way down to have some food. We were wearing colours and this jakey looking weegie guy approached us and asked if we thought Neil Lennon would get us up. Before we had a chance to respond he revealed that he is a The Rangers fan. Time for a bit of fun. Yes Neil will get us up, without the use of any magical apparel :greengrin He then made our day by saying "How the **** did we let McGregor go and signed those huddies we've got now." Good management by the bread man maybe? By this time he'd kinda realised we were ripping the p!sh and then went really red in the face when we asked him to agree that the best team won the cup :aok: End of conversation.

As to the match, we started really well and the 3,5,2 sometimes 3,4,3 got us a couple of early goals. Their strike was a deflected free kick which I reckon our keeper would have saved but for the deflection. Cummings and Keats then widened the gap and we made a load of substitutions. We played well IMO and young Martin put in a good shift. I like him, he never gives opponents a minutes peace. Boozy, I'm afraid, did nothing of note and I wonder whether he has a future with us.

One footnote - Ryan McGivern is still p!sh

[Jonnyboy]

Or even any goal footage?

Shrewsbury filmed the game. The after match interviews are on their official site and I'm guessing the highlights might be up tomorrow.

[Baw187]

Back on track without a Butcher or Fenlon in sight :greengrin

I enjoyed the day out although a 4am start and not long home made it a long day. One highlight was when my mate and I stopped on the way down to have some food. We were wearing colours and this jakey looking weegie guy approached us and asked if we thought Neil Lennon would get us up. Before we had a chance to respond he revealed that he is a The Rangers fan. Time for a bit of fun. Yes Neil will get us up, without the use of any magical apparel :greengrin He then made our day by saying "How the **** did we let McGregor go and signed those huddies we've got now." Good management by the bread man maybe? By this time he'd kinda realised we were ripping the p!sh and then went really red in the face when we asked him to agree that the best team won the cup :aok: End of conversation.

As to the match, we started really well and the 3,5,2 sometimes 3,4,3 got us a couple of early goals. Their strike was a deflected free kick which I reckon our keeper would have saved but for the deflection. Cummings and Keats then widened the gap and we made a load of substitutions. We played well IMO and young Martin put in a good shift. I like him, he never gives opponents a minutes peace. Boozy, I'm afraid, did nothing of note and I wonder whether he has a future with us.

One footnote - Ryan McGivern is still p!sh

Nice one JB. [emoji1303][emoji1303]


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[greenlex]

Back on track without a Butcher or Fenlon in sight :greengrin

I enjoyed the day out although a 4am start and not long home made it a long day. One highlight was when my mate and I stopped on the way down to have some food. We were wearing colours and this jakey looking weegie guy approached us and asked if we thought Neil Lennon would get us up. Before we had a chance to respond he revealed that he is a The Rangers fan. Time for a bit of fun. Yes Neil will get us up, without the use of any magical apparel :greengrin He then made our day by saying "How the **** did we let McGregor go and signed those huddies we've got now." Good management by the bread man maybe? By this time he'd kinda realised we were ripping the p!sh and then went really red in the face when we asked him to agree that the best team won the cup :aok: End of conversation.

As to the match, we started really well and the 3,5,2 sometimes 3,4,3 got us a couple of early goals. Their strike was a deflected free kick which I reckon our keeper would have saved but for the deflection. Cummings and Keats then widened the gap and we made a load of substitutions. We played well IMO and young Martin put in a good shift. I like him, hhe never gives opponents a minutes peace. Boozy, I'm afraid, did nothing of note and I wonder whether he has a future with us.

One footnote - Ryan McGivern is still p!sh
Cheers JC

[Lancs Harp]

Certainly it's the most obvious thing im the world to say we need back but after two years in this league, it is crucial now to get back. Some may disagree with the following but I'll say it any way. I've always thought unfortunately that the Glasgow two are the big monsters and dominant forces in our game and that will probably never change. However, I'd rank us alongside (at least potentially) the yams and Aberdeen and certainly, we should be a top 5/6 club in Scotland. Everything else is there to suggest that except, unfortunately, in our current league position. We need to make this our objective. In my book, we shouldn't be a club that even worries about relegation never mind being in this league. We should be a regular top half of the premier league in this country. It's time we delivered that and consolidate our position in this regard in years to come

Totally agree with this.

The Old Firm are the Old Firm but the next tier and the only clubs able to challenge them in anyway are Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen. We need to shake any losing mentality. Our goal should always to challenge the OF supremacy, to ensure we always compete for a European place, beat Hearts, Aberdeen and the others to finish as high as possible and chip away at the OF. Hibs, run correctly, with our support should never finish out of the top half of the SPL. If we do the senior management of the club needs to take a hard look at itself and we as fans should demand such standards.

Be Hibs, be proud. Being an also ran isnt good enough.

[essexhibee]

Back on track without a Butcher or Fenlon in sight :greengrin

I enjoyed the day out although a 4am start and not long home made it a long day. One highlight was when my mate and I stopped on the way down to have some food. We were wearing colours and this jakey looking weegie guy approached us and asked if we thought Neil Lennon would get us up. Before we had a chance to respond he revealed that he is a The Rangers fan. Time for a bit of fun. Yes Neil will get us up, without the use of any magical apparel :greengrin He then made our day by saying "How the **** did we let McGregor go and signed those huddies we've got now." Good management by the bread man maybe? By this time he'd kinda realised we were ripping the p!sh and then went really red in the face when we asked him to agree that the best team won the cup :aok: End of conversation.

As to the match, we started really well and the 3,5,2 sometimes 3,4,3 got us a couple of early goals. Their strike was a deflected free kick which I reckon our keeper would have saved but for the deflection. Cummings and Keats then widened the gap and we made a load of substitutions. We played well IMO and young Martin put in a good shift. I like him, he never gives opponents a minutes peace. Boozy, I'm afraid, did nothing of note and I wonder whether he has a future with us.

One footnote - Ryan McGivern is still p!sh

Thread saver! Voice of reason along at last.

4-1 spanking regardless of being a friendly as well as beating Brum further evidence our leagues crapness is far overhyped down south.

[1875Sean]

Gary Deegan still terrible too?

[Jonnyboy]

Gary Deegan still terrible too?

Had a terrible slip on the edge of his penalty area and gifted the ball to Jason for his goal but otherwise I thought he looked ok

[Jonnyboy]

Thread saver! Voice of reason along at last.

4-1 spanking regardless of being a friendly as well as beating Brum further evidence our leagues crapness is far overhyped down south.

The gulf in class was apparent from the off, J but I think Shrewsbury can be better than what they showed us.

[gorgie greens]

thought McGivern played his best game for Hibs today and was unlucky with his header that skimmed the post, All plus marks for me but Keatsy goal was a peach, how he flicked that over the keeper from there was unreal,I like the look of Martin as he never hides and the previous question about the formation was 442

[J-C]

Back on track without a Butcher or Fenlon in sight :greengrin

I enjoyed the day out although a 4am start and not long home made it a long day. One highlight was when my mate and I stopped on the way down to have some food. We were wearing colours and this jakey looking weegie guy approached us and asked if we thought Neil Lennon would get us up. Before we had a chance to respond he revealed that he is a The Rangers fan. Time for a bit of fun. Yes Neil will get us up, without the use of any magical apparel :greengrin He then made our day by saying "How the **** did we let McGregor go and signed those huddies we've got now." Good management by the bread man maybe? By this time he'd kinda realised we were ripping the p!sh and then went really red in the face when we asked him to agree that the best team won the cup :aok: End of conversation.

As to the match, we started really well and the 3,5,2 sometimes 3,4,3 got us a couple of early goals. Their strike was a deflected free kick which I reckon our keeper would have saved but for the deflection. Cummings and Keats then widened the gap and we made a load of substitutions. We played well IMO and young Martin put in a good shift. I like him, he never gives opponents a minutes peace. Boozy, I'm afraid, did nothing of note and I wonder whether he has a future with us.

One footnote - Ryan McGivern is still p!sh



Is that is p1sh or still on the p1sh :greengrin

[Forza Fred]

The gulf in class was apparent from the off, J but I think Shrewsbury can be better than what they showed us.


I dunno John,

They just avoided relegation last season and had an extremely poor defensive record.

As someone who trawls the EL lower divisions trying to make a buck on the fixed odds out here, They are definitely a side I would not see myself taking as a banker in any game they are involved in.

I think they'll struggle to avoid the drop again this season.

[Dashing Bob S]

Certainly it's the most obvious thing im the world to say we need back but after two years in this league, it is crucial now to get back. Some may disagree with the following but I'll say it any way. I've always thought unfortunately that the Glasgow two are the big monsters and dominant forces in our game and that will probably never change. However, I'd rank us alongside (at least potentially) the yams and Aberdeen and certainly, we should be a top 5/6 club in Scotland. Everything else is there to suggest that except, unfortunately, in our current league position. We need to make this our objective. In my book, we shouldn't be a club that even worries about relegation never mind being in this league. We should be a regular top half of the premier league in this country. It's time we delivered that and consolidate our position in this regard in years to come

Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen underperform with regards to the other SPL clubs. That group should be as far removed from them as the OF are from that trio.

[HH81]

I can honestly say that if the fellah who was 'periscoping' the game from behind me is on here and was the balloon who spilt his smuggled beer......Twice......Then you were lucky not to get a soggy trainer in the puss friend and you are one of the reasons we might never see alcohol on sale within a Scottish concourse.

Hibs were far too good for Shrewsbury today. Different planet. I'd like to hear the Halifax based guy (HH)? and his thoughts now about the standard we are playing at. These appear to be dark times for these clubs. Conference standard.

My post was around the overall standard of the league and it was made 1 or 2 years ago?

A lot of teams in the league have a set up of non league, Alloa and Dumbarton were two at the time. I do not getting carried away by friendly results thought but pre season has gone well. This should be the year. Looking forward to the first two home games, trains booked.

[Keith_M]

So far, we've annihilated teams from the Scottish Premiership & the English third tier as well as beaten a team from the English second tier.

In addition, we held our own against a team that will be competing for the Swedish Championship this season and have a respectable record in European competition in recent times.

We are constantly being told that the English Championship and League One are of a much higher standard than Scottish Football. If that's true, we've just had an incredibly good pre-season ;-)

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

So far, we've annihilated teams from the Scottish Premiership & the English third tier as well as beaten a team from the English second tier.

In addition, we held our own against a team that will be competing for the Swedish Championship this season and have a respectable record in European competition in recent times.

We are constantly being told that the English Championship and League One are of a much higher standard than Scottish Football. If that's true, we've just had an incredibly good pre-season ;-)The Danish championship. :)

[Wembley67]

So far, we've annihilated teams from the Scottish Premiership & the English third tier as well as beaten a team from the English second tier.

In addition, we held our own against a team that will be competing for the Swedish Championship this season and have a respectable record in European competition in recent times.

We are constantly being told that the English Championship and League One are of a much higher standard than Scottish Football. If that's true, we've just had an incredibly good pre-season ;-)

Respectable record in European competition? I don't think you've woken up yet 😀

[Finn2015]

Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen underperform with regards to the other SPL clubs. That group should be as far removed from them as the OF are from that trio.

Agree Bob and it's a target we have to set ourselves. Obviously get back to the top league but then aim for consistent top half of the table finishes. That should be where we are at

[Iggy Pope]

My post was around the overall standard of the league and it was made 1 or 2 years ago?

A lot of teams in the league have a set up of non league, Alloa and Dumbarton were two at the time. I do not getting carried away by friendly results thought but pre season has gone well. This should be the year. Looking forward to the first two home games, trains booked.

Don't know if you made it down yesterday but Shrewsbury looked bloody awful and not the outfit I expected. Non league beckons. And without getting carried away Birmingham didn't look up to scratch last week either.
I wonder what the 'set up' might be at these places without the absurd money they get thrown at them (and appear to fritter away).

[Jonnyboy]

I dunno John,

They just avoided relegation last season and had an extremely poor defensive record.

As someone who trawls the EL lower divisions trying to make a buck on the fixed odds out here, They are definitely a side I would not see myself taking as a banker in any game they are involved in.

I think they'll struggle to avoid the drop again this season.

I'm probably letting my heart rule my head here Fred. A big soft spot for Shrewsbury due to strong family connections.

[Winston Ingram]

No sign of Ian Black yesterday?

[cheltenhamhibee]

No sign of Ian Black yesterday?

He was on the bench but never played, roundly booed when the teams were announced, he did however oblige with a wave after a few sang "Blacky gie us a wave" and we returned the favour with "w****r w****r" wish he did play though, love giving that odious wee painter stick

[Bristolhibby]

No sign of Ian Black yesterday?

Fans were itching for him to come on just for the sheer abuse that would have been hurled.

Enjoyed yesterday and my boys liked it as well. They did great considering it was 5 hours in the car.
Shrewsbury were crap, impressed with Hibs work rate. We seem far more direct using the channels effectively.
Holt looks a singing. Was impressed by Scott Martin.

Also an impressive amount of Hibees (469 out of a crowd of 2007), considering the distance, KO time and it was a pre season.

Bring on Falkirk!

J

[HH81]

Don't know if you made it down yesterday but Shrewsbury looked bloody awful and not the outfit I expected. Non league beckons. And without getting carried away Birmingham didn't look up to scratch last week either.
I wonder what the 'set up' might be at these places without the absurd money they get thrown at them (and appear to fritter away).

No made decision to attend the rugby instead as it was play off game.

Not been to Shrewsbury new set up went to their old ground and it was rough. I agree about expecting Shrewsbury to give Hibs more of a game but even in Europe we looked ready to go. Maybe was just a bad day for them?

Hibs look ready to me so now its time to get some early wins and lets push on and get the title won.

[IWasThere2016]

Reports and pics - still seeking video -

http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2016/07/31/shrewsbury-town-1-hibernian-4-report/soccer-pre-season-friendly-shrewsbury-town-v-hibernian-3/

http://www.shrewsburytown.com/news/article/2016-17/town-v-hibs-3217344.aspx

[Finn2015]

Hope all who attended had a great day, nice city is Shrewsbury apart from the feared border city hooligans who attend Shrewsbury spreading their fear 😳

[Albanian Hibs]

Had a great trip and Shrewsbury was a nice place. Hibs played really well. Enjoyed the Carling in plastic bottles at half time!

[Baldy Foghorn]

Back on track without a Butcher or Fenlon in sight :greengrin

I enjoyed the day out although a 4am start and not long home made it a long day. One highlight was when my mate and I stopped on the way down to have some food. We were wearing colours and this jakey looking weegie guy approached us and asked if we thought Neil Lennon would get us up. Before we had a chance to respond he revealed that he is a The Rangers fan. Time for a bit of fun. Yes Neil will get us up, without the use of any magical apparel :greengrin He then made our day by saying "How the **** did we let McGregor go and signed those huddies we've got now." Good management by the bread man maybe? By this time he'd kinda realised we were ripping the p!sh and then went really red in the face when we asked him to agree that the best team won the cup :aok: End of conversation.

As to the match, we started really well and the 3,5,2 sometimes 3,4,3 got us a couple of early goals. Their strike was a deflected free kick which I reckon our keeper would have saved but for the deflection. Cummings and Keats then widened the gap and we made a load of substitutions. We played well IMO and young Martin put in a good shift. I like him, he never gives opponents a minutes peace. Boozy, I'm afraid, did nothing of note and I wonder whether he has a future with us.

One footnote - Ryan McGivern is still p!sh

You missed out on Andrew Lloyd Webber (AKA Billy Whizz) with his rendition of Delilah?:cb

[Juice-Terry]

Sorry...been pished in Spain since Saturday. Cannae be arsed reading the whole thread. What was the score against Shrewsbury? Cheers.

[Finn2015]

Sorry...been pished in Spain since Saturday. Cannae be arsed reading the whole thread. What was the score against Shrewsbury? Cheers.

4-1 to the hibees

[Jonnyboy]

You missed out on Andrew Lloyd Webber (AKA Billy Whizz) with his rendition of Delilah?:cb

Didn't want to steal Billy's thunder as he'll be giving the song its debut airing at Falkrk :greengrin

[Baldy Foghorn]

Didn't want to steal Billy's thunder as he'll be giving the song its debut airing at Falkrk :greengrin

A solo, one singer one song, can't see it catching on:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

You missed out on Andrew Lloyd Webber (AKA Billy Whizz) with his rendition of Delilah?:cb

That's so so cruel. Just wanted to start a new Paul Hanlon song, and to be fair a few of you joined in.
For those of you who would like to sing it, here are the words
Hi hi hi Paul Hanlon
Hi hi hi Paul Hanlon
He's signed on for the years or more, he's Hibees great no 4
Keep Paul Hanlon a Hibee for ever more
😄😄😄😄😄

[Juice-Terry]

:flag::aok:
4-1 to the hibees