Could Gove still become Prime Minister?

[Hibbyradge]

There is speculation that if Leadsom ndoe pull out of the race, the Tory Party board me invite Gove to re-enter.

Surely he couldn't win now. Could he?

Edit: she has withdrawn!

[Moulin Yarns]

There is speculation that if Pearson does pull out of the race, the Tory Party board me invite Gove to re-enter.

Surely he couldn't win now. Could he?

Andrea Leadsome has pulled out of the race, but still to hear if they still must have a competition, if so the Gove would be back in the race, but don't forget May got more than both Gove and Leadsome together. It will be May in the hot seat. One good thing about that is Osborne is already packing to leave no. 11


Tory Chairman to make announcement at 12:30 about leader contest

[Moulin Yarns]

Theresa May is now the new leader of the Conservative Party, handover period, but not long.

Will she call a general election though?

[Hibbyradge]

Theresa May is now the new leader of the Conservative Party, handover period, but not long.

Will she call a general election though?

Yes, I've seen that.

She'll definitely want to call an election, and with the mess Labour is currently in, she might be tempted to do so earlier rather than later.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

There is speculation that if Leadsom ndoe pull out of the race, the Tory Party board me invite Gove to re-enter.

Surely he couldn't win now. Could he?

Edit: she has withdrawn!

Can't see Gove re-entering now and no chance he'd win if he did. I think it's more likely we'll see Boris if he's allowed but can't really see that either. I still think May is by far the best person for the job and can't see anyone beating her at this point. But then politics has had a few surprises of late.

[JeMeSouviens]

Gove says he backs May. Tory 1922 committee says no contest, May PM shortly.

[Hibbyradge]

Regardless of her politics or her intentions, she'll end up being hated by half the population, because Brexit is going to be a nightmare to deal with, whichever way she goes.

This short article and diagram explain the dilemma she faces very simply.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/5/12098156/brexit-eu-britain-venn-diagram

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Regardless of her politics or her intentions, she'll end up being hated by half the population, because Brexit is going to be a nightmare to deal with, whichever way she goes.

This short article and diagram explain the dilemma she faces very simply.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/5/12098156/brexit-eu-britain-venn-diagram

It depends how you look at it I suppose. It'll be difficult but I do think she has a really good chance to both unite the country and sort out our relationship with the EU.

She said she'll invoke article 50, which will keep most Brexit voters happy, but she'll also go for a Brexit-lite option, which is a decent outcome for remain voters at this stage. The key point for me is that most folk that voted could see arguments on either side of the referendum so hard exit isn't necessary. She has a chance to come up with an impoved relationship which most people would have voted for if it was an option and the extremes on either side will moan no matter what.

A lot of this is dependent things outwith her control of course, particularly the willingness of those inside the EU are to engage. but if she handles Brexit well and other non-EU countries are making the right noises about potential trade deals that would be enough for her to win the next general election quite comfortably IMO.

[Moulin Yarns]

Regardless of her politics or her intentions, she'll end up being hated by half the population, because Brexit is going to be a nightmare to deal with, whichever way she goes.

This short article and diagram explain the dilemma she faces very simply.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/5/12098156/brexit-eu-britain-venn-diagram


I wouldn't be surprised if there are still a few twists and turns in the whole saga.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/brexit-vote-is-not-legally-binding-top-lawyers-tell-david-cameron-1-4173901

[Moulin Yarns]

It depends how you look at it I suppose. It'll be difficult but I do think she has a really good chance to both unite the country and sort out our relationship with the EU.

She said she'll invoke article 50, which will keep most Brexit voters happy, but she'll also go for a Brexit-lite option, which is a decent outcome for remain voters at this stage. The key point for me is that most folk that voted could see arguments on either side of the referendum so hard exit isn't necessary. She has a chance to come up with an impoved relationship which most people would have voted for if it was an option and the extremes on either side will moan no matter what.

A lot of this is dependent things outwith her control of course, particularly the willingness of those inside the EU are to engage. but if she handles Brexit well and other non-EU countries are making the right noises about potential trade deals that would be enough for her to win the next general election quite comfortably IMO.

The stumbling block is, and always was, free movement. No free movement, no trade deal, and Theresa May has been clear on strong controls on immigration.

[Kavinho]

It depends how you look at it I suppose. It'll be difficult but I do think she has a really good chance to both unite the country and sort out our relationship with the EU.

She said she'll invoke article 50, which will keep most Brexit voters happy, but she'll also go for a Brexit-lite option, which is a decent outcome for remain voters at this stage. The key point for me is that most folk that voted could see arguments on either side of the referendum so hard exit isn't necessary. She has a chance to come up with an impoved relationship which most people would have voted for if it was an option and the extremes on either side will moan no matter what.

A lot of this is dependent things outwith her control of course, particularly the willingness of those inside the EU are to engage. but if she handles Brexit well and other non-EU countries are making the right noises about potential trade deals that would be enough for her to win the next general election quite comfortably IMO.


No chance.

[JeMeSouviens]

It depends how you look at it I suppose. It'll be difficult but I do think she has a really good chance to both unite the country and sort out our relationship with the EU.

She said she'll invoke article 50, which will keep most Brexit voters happy, but she'll also go for a Brexit-lite option, which is a decent outcome for remain voters at this stage. The key point for me is that most folk that voted could see arguments on either side of the referendum so hard exit isn't necessary. She has a chance to come up with an impoved relationship which most people would have voted for if it was an option and the extremes on either side will moan no matter what.

A lot of this is dependent things outwith her control of course, particularly the willingness of those inside the EU are to engage. but if she handles Brexit well and other non-EU countries are making the right noises about potential trade deals that would be enough for her to win the next general election quite comfortably IMO.

If you mean unite Scotland and sort us out as an independent EU member state, I'd say she has an excellent chance. :wink:

[Holmesdale Hibs]

If you mean unite Scotland and sort us out as an independent EU member state, I'd say she has an excellent chance. :wink:

Yep, she might do that as well. Could be quite a legacy.

[High-On-Hibs]

She can trigger a general election if she wants. However, I have a feeling that her lifespan as prime minister will be very short lived.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

It depends how you look at it I suppose. It'll be difficult but I do think she has a really good chance to both unite the country and sort out our relationship with the EU.

She said she'll invoke article 50, which will keep most Brexit voters happy, but she'll also go for a Brexit-lite option, which is a decent outcome for remain voters at this stage. The key point for me is that most folk that voted could see arguments on either side of the referendum so hard exit isn't necessary. She has a chance to come up with an impoved relationship which most people would have voted for if it was an option and the extremes on either side will moan no matter what.

A lot of this is dependent things outwith her control of course, particularly the willingness of those inside the EU are to engage. but if she handles Brexit well and other non-EU countries are making the right noises about potential trade deals that would be enough for her to win the next general election quite comfortably IMO.

There are supposedly an increasingly long list of non-eu countries who are keen to strikw trade deals with the uk too. Id imagine the foreign office are working on these too.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

If you mean unite Scotland and sort us out as an independent EU member state, I'd say she has an excellent chance. :wink:

I think that this is increasingly out of her hands - that will be an issue defined and largely decided in scotland i reckon.

[steakbake]

There are supposedly an increasingly long list of non-eu countries who are keen to strikw trade deals with the uk too. Id imagine the foreign office are working on these too.

I'd love to see that list and see which of the 27 EU countries and 58 others with whom we have trade deals through being part of the EU are now lining up to sign up to new terms.

[lord bunberry]

I think of May as being a bit like Chris Evans. She's taking over a job that the majority of people didn't want her to. I couldn't stand David Cameron, but I have to accept he was the leader of the elected party. May will be gone within a year, the same as Chris Evans. When people don't want change, change pisses them off. May is a bit like Gordon Brown. Until she has a mandate from the electorate, she doesn't have the power. I predict a period of tremendous uncertainty for our country.

[Moulin Yarns]

I think of May as being a bit like Chris Evans. She's taking over a job that the majority of people didn't want her to. I couldn't stand David Cameron, but I have to accept he was the leader of the elected party. May will be gone within a year, the same as Chris Evans. When people don't want change, change pisses them off. May is a bit like Gordon Brown. Until she has a mandate from the electorate, she doesn't have the power. I predict a period of tremendous uncertainty for our country.

I was trying to remember what happened when Gordon got the main gig, was there a challenge or did he just get 'promoted' ?

[Hibbyradge]

I was trying to remember what happened when Gordon got the main gig, was there a challenge or did he just get 'promoted' ?

He was uncontested.

[Pretty Boy]

He was uncontested.

Was there not talk of a challenge from John McDonnell backed by the Fabian Society and endorsed by ASLEF and the TUC? I think the only problem was he only had about 10 MPs back him and about 5% support from the membership. Now he's the 2nd most important man in the party. Crazy.

[snooky]

There is speculation that if Leadsom ndoe pull out of the race, the Tory Party board me invite Gove to re-enter.

Surely he couldn't win now. Could he?

Edit: she has withdrawn!

If he ever becomes Prime Minister prepare yourself for this front page headline of the Sun ....

THE NEW GOVERNMENT

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Boris is back in the Cabinet - Foreign Secretary, no less. (You couldn't make it up. Your REALLY couldn't make it up.)

I could see Gove getting the job of Parliamentary Under-Secretary with Special Responsibility for South Georgia.

The way this is all going, I'm beginning to believe in The Reptilian Conspiracy.

It's like The Goon Show, only not funny.

[Moulin Yarns]

Gove sacked as Justice Secretary, there is Justice after all :greengrin

[Colr]

Gove sacked as Justice Secretary, there is Justice after all :greengrin

Can see him being a noisy thorn in the government's side but he's far too untrustworthy now to have in Government - esp. with Boris in there.