Are you an adult using a youth or child ST?

[TonyStokeprano]

I am afraid you are missing the point. When i started going to the football it was normal practice to lift over small children as young as 5 and sit them on a terracing barrier to watch the game. It was pay at the gate and no one was expected to pay for a child that wasn't long out their pram..After my son got hooked and wanted to go regularly I paid him in. That is the way it worked then. However, unlike your mate, when he reached 16 he paid his way in as an adult and has down ever since. He didn't try and cheat the club by passing himself off as a child. The fact that your mate has bought a full price ticket this year doesn't change the fact that he cheated the club out of money last season. Of course he was maybe just worried he was going to be found out.

Sorry but I can't take your stance serious, your admitting sneaking your kids in back in the day and we've established from other posters concession prices were available when you chose not to pay them because everyone else done the same . The fact your son bought a season ticket in future doesn't change the fact you could have bought him concession tickets instead of lifting him over.

Normal practice or not there was an option for concession you chose not to pay it and gain free entry instead and giving the club no money. You can dress it up as being the done thing or whatever you want, I think taking someone in for nothing is worse than someone paying a discounted price so I think we'll need to agree to disagree here.

[TonyStokeprano]

I used to lift my boy over - he was too young to understand or enjoy the game but I was molding him into being a Hibby. The wage I was on at that time, if a lift over was not looked at with a glass eye, I could not/would not have taken him so Hibs lost nothing but gained a lifelong supporter. A very grey area as they were different times then but I still believe that kids should get in free until 12 then child prices until 16. Proper supervision and technology should stop concessions being abused.

I'm guessing it's okay for an adult to use a kids ticket as long as he has some future hibees with him then!!

[HappyHanlon]

There is a person on here who has a short memory.. The same one who was listed as a carer to his/her disabled dad and when he never went, the person involved still went under the carer's ticket and as far as I am aware he/she didn't upgrade the carer's ticket...

A tad hypocritical don't you all agree ???

Name and Shame

:protest::protest::hnetinq:

[McD]

Sorry but I can't take your stance serious, your admitting sneaking your kids in back in the day and we've established from other posters concession prices were available when you chose not to pay them because everyone else done the same . The fact your son bought a season ticket in future doesn't change the fact you could have bought him concession tickets instead of lifting him over.

Normal practice or not there was an option for concession you chose not to pay it and gain free entry instead and giving the club no money. You can dress it up as being the done thing or whatever you want, I think taking someone in for nothing is worse than someone paying a discounted price so I think we'll need to agree to disagree here.


How is it sneaking someone in when a member of the club's staff watches and approves of it happening?

Theres a world of difference between that happening, and an adult who willfully lies and provides false information to the club.

[Scouse Hibee]

The irony

Indeed but apparently lost on you.

[Jonnyboy]

Sorry but I can't take your stance serious, your admitting sneaking your kids in back in the day and we've established from other posters concession prices were available when you chose not to pay them because everyone else done the same . The fact your son bought a season ticket in future doesn't change the fact you could have bought him concession tickets instead of lifting him over.

Normal practice or not there was an option for concession you chose not to pay it and gain free entry instead and giving the club no money. You can dress it up as being the done thing or whatever you want, I think taking someone in for nothing is worse than someone paying a discounted price so I think we'll need to agree to disagree here.

That's not what he did though, is it? There was no 'sneaking in' as you put it but I guess you taking that line suits your stance on this.

I asked a question of you earlier in the thread but you may have missed it so I'll try again.

What's your view on people buying a concession ticket even though they can afford the full price?

[TonyStokeprano]

That's not what he did though, is it? There was no 'sneaking in' as you put it but I guess you taking that line suits your stance on this.

I asked a question of you earlier in the thread but you may have missed it so I'll try again.

What's your view on people buying a concession ticket even though they can afford the full price?

I've said time and time again why did they have concession prices available if it was free entry for kids? No one's answered that either. Whether everyone was doing it or not there was the choice to pay for your kid or lift him over and it seems most on here chose the lift option.

As for my view on people that can afford it paying less then that's their issue I don't know anyone in that situation I gave an example of one guy who wasn't a hibs fan when he started going last season and has bought an adult season ticket for this season so hibs have gained from him getting kids tickets last season enjoying what he seen and getting an adult ticket this season.

Each to their own, some people at my golf course phone the club house when they see people sneaking on, I just let them get on with it. If that makes me a big bad morally wrong man then so be it.

[TonyStokeprano]

How is it sneaking someone in when a member of the club's staff watches and approves of it happening?

Theres a world of difference between that happening, and an adult who willfully lies and provides false information to the club.

Why did they have concession prices if it was free entry? There will be loads of members of hibs staff who have watched and approved adults going in with kids tickets for last 20 years so that makes it alright then!

[McD]

Why did they have concession prices if it was free entry? There will be loads of members of hibs staff who have watched and approved adults going in with kids tickets for last 20 years so that makes it alright then!


To your question, I don't know, it was before my time. But the key point is that Hibs were happy for adults to lift children over. At no time did an adult get a lift over, while your acquaintance has willfully chosen to lie and provide false information to the club.

your second point - no there wasn't loads of staff who've watched and approved, unless you are now besmirching the staff? You can't categorically state that otherwise. It see,s that now Hibs have decided that it's gotten to the point where they must commit resources to police this issue to prevent people like your acquaintance abusing the system.

No comment on your continues use of the word 'sneaked' when it's nothing of the sort? Surely then, your mate 'sneaked' in to the ground after lying because he felt it was beneath him to pay the going rate? It's just as easy to take a fairly derogatory position to suit the other side of the argument, as you have done.

[TonyStokeprano]

To your question, I don't know, it was before my time. But the key point is that Hibs were happy for adults to lift children over. At no time did an adult get a lift over, while your acquaintance has willfully chosen to lie and provide false information to the club.

your second point - no there wasn't loads of staff who've watched and approved, unless you are now besmirching the staff? You can't categorically state that otherwise. It see,s that now Hibs have decided that it's gotten to the point where they must commit resources to police this issue to prevent people like your acquaintance abusing the system.

No comment on your continues use of the word 'sneaked' when it's nothing of the sort? Surely then, your mate 'sneaked' in to the ground after lying because he felt it was beneath him to pay the going rate? It's just as easy to take a fairly derogatory position to suit the other side of the argument, as you have done.

I don't care if they were happy , folk could've paid a concession and chose not to the option was there same as folk are choosing to buy concession now instead of adult, same thing to me. Like I've said well agree to disagree

[TonyStokeprano]

To your question, I don't know, it was before my time. But the key point is that Hibs were happy for adults to lift children over. At no time did an adult get a lift over, while your acquaintance has willfully chosen to lie and provide false information to the club.

your second point - no there wasn't loads of staff who've watched and approved, unless you are now besmirching the staff? You can't categorically state that otherwise. It see,s that now Hibs have decided that it's gotten to the point where they must commit resources to police this issue to prevent people like your acquaintance abusing the system.

No comment on your continues use of the word 'sneaked' when it's nothing of the sort? Surely then, your mate 'sneaked' in to the ground after lying because he felt it was beneath him to pay the going rate? It's just as easy to take a fairly derogatory position to suit the other side of the argument, as you have done.

Yeah my workmate did sneak in for a child, same as everyone who didn't pay for entry before sneaked In.

[McD]

I don't care if they were happy , folk could've paid a concession and chose not to the option was there same as folk are choosing to buy concession now instead of adult, same thing to me. Like I've said well agree to disagree


So still avoiding answering your use of the word 'sneaking'?

Edit: you've now replied to the above point. Fair enough. Still can't see how someone 'sneaks in' with the help and approval of the staff and club in regards to a lift over, but you're clearly keeping to your rhetoric on this.

Youve said its the same thing to you - well firstly, it's not the same thing to Hibs. That's why they've instituted this checking policy. The method used in the past was approved of by Hibs, the one your mate chooses to use is both fraudulent and outright lying and providing false information. Or are you suggesting that a young child was lying about their age as your mate did?
Secondly, the fact you can't see the difference in a CHILD being given free access by the club, and an ADULT who willfully chooses to lie, is indiciative of a lot.

agree to disagree yes, purely because it's clear that you're determined to view this in a very narrow slant.

Hope you have a nice evening

[Scouse Hibee]

Are folk really still questioning Hibs taking a stance on this hahahaha.

[McD]

Are folk really still questioning Hibs taking a stance on this hahahaha.


unfortunately so.

[Jonnyboy]

I've said time and time again why did they have concession prices available if it was free entry for kids? No one's answered that either. Whether everyone was doing it or not there was the choice to pay for your kid or lift him over and it seems most on here chose the lift option.

As for my view on people that can afford it paying less then that's their issue I don't know anyone in that situation I gave an example of one guy who wasn't a hibs fan when he started going last season and has bought an adult season ticket for this season so hibs have gained from him getting kids tickets last season enjoying what he seen and getting an adult ticket this season.

Each to their own, some people at my golf course phone the club house when they see people sneaking on, I just let them get on with it. If that makes me a big bad morally wrong man then so be it.

It wasn't free entry for all kids. It was accepted practice that toddlers of pre school age could be 'lifted over' which you construe as 'sneaking in'

Anyway, no point in continuing the debate with your views being so entrenched

[Rougier45]

Why would anyone steal from something or someone the love? No morals at all. Hope they all get caught!! Wee ladies just past 16 who cannae really afford it fair enough, I done it a few times at away games up until I was 18 but grown adults ripping off their club? Can't comprehend that.

strange how people can always find away to justify their now misdemeanors but every one else is a ****bag

[Rougier45]

if 70% of ST holders are on reduced rates -we are donald ducked -i hope that is wrong -it should be in reverse .

However castigating people is also wrong -everyone at home is short- on cash -caling them thiefs is wrong -we have to find a solution to this .

why not employ turnstile attendants pay them 7.50 per hour for 4 hours and free access and save the club thousands

[TonyStokeprano]

Are folk really still questioning Hibs taking a stance on this hahahaha.

Don't see many folk questioning hibs stance at all just see folk debating the difference between getting a lift over and getting a kids ticket. If anyone is annoyed hibs are monotiring this then it probably means they're using kids tickets.

[Speedy]

if 70% of ST holders are on reduced rates -we are donald ducked -i hope that is wrong -it should be in reverse .

However castigating people is also wrong -everyone at home is short- on cash -caling them thiefs is wrong -we have to find a solution to this .

why not employ turnstile attendants pay them 7.50 per hour for 4 hours and free access and save the club thousands

They're not. The number was plucked from nowhere as an example.

[Scouse Hibee]

Don't see many folk questioning hibs stance at all just see folk debating the difference between getting a lift over and getting a kids ticket. If anyone is annoyed hibs are monotiring this then it probably means they're using kids tickets.

I must have misread many posts then.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Just to be clear ... though I thought it was quite obvious ... the 7,000 out of 10,000 example was just a figure I plucked out of the air to illustrate my opinion that somewhere down the line something may have happened to bring this situation to a head. I have absolutely no idea what the split of adult v concession sales is.

I notice this thread has been picked up on sickbag ........ Apparently they are all squeaky clean and would never dream of abusing their system :faf:

[Hibrandenburg]

..with one vital difference, as you've been told. It was with the consent of the club.

And the accompanying adult paid full price.