Tory party leadership

[JeMeSouviens]

So we are down to 3 and close to the point where 150 thousand (very) odd crusty Tories get to choose not only our prime minister but also our future relationship with the EU. Democracy's great eh?

Anyway, I have to say (for as far as I'm aware the first time) that I agree with Malcolm Rifkind: anyone but Gove please.

Quite apart from being a treacherous backstabber, the guy is a fanatical lunatic. Everywhere he goes he tries to rip everything up in a year 0 ****storm and leaves a trail of utter chaos. He would be a complete and extremely dangerous disaster as PM

These are his ideas (written a couple of years after the Good Friday Agreement) for Northern Ireland. It's difficult to know where to start with the utter wrongness of the whole thing:

https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/111220142628-thepriceofpeace2000MichaelGove.pdf

Having said that, I'm absolutely sure he'd guarantee Scottish independence.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

So we are down to 3 and close to the point where 150 thousand (very) odd crusty Tories get to choose not only our prime minister but also our future relationship with the EU. Democracy's great eh?

Anyway, I have to say (for as far as I'm aware the first time) that I agree with Malcolm Rifkind: anyone but Gove please.

Quite apart from being a treacherous backstabber, the guy is a fanatical lunatic. Everywhere he goes he tries to rip everything up in a year 0 ****storm and leaves a trail of utter chaos. He would be a complete and extremely dangerous disaster as PM

These are his ideas (written a couple of years after the Good Friday Agreement) for Northern Ireland. It's difficult to know where to start with the utter wrongness of the whole thing:

https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/111220142628-thepriceofpeace2000MichaelGove.pdf

Having said that, I'm absolutely sure he'd guarantee Scottish independence.

Im not sure who would be best, but i do think theresa may seems to be aiming for the one nation position, which i think is best.

I get your point about democracy, but we are only a year on from a general electiob where the tories won convincingly, so its hard to claim its not legitimate. We dont vote for PM, even if it is increasing pitched like that by the media.

That being said, i think another general election could be good thing.

[Moulin Yarns]

ABG

Anyone But Gove

Some hilarious responses

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/michael-gove-twitter-insults_uk_577b8963e4b073366f0faf62

[RyeSloan]

So we are down to 3 and close to the point where 150 thousand (very) odd crusty Tories get to choose not only our prime minister but also our future relationship with the EU. Democracy's great eh? Anyway, I have to say (for as far as I'm aware the first time) that I agree with Malcolm Rifkind: anyone but Gove please. Quite apart from being a treacherous backstabber, the guy is a fanatical lunatic. Everywhere he goes he tries to rip everything up in a year 0 ****storm and leaves a trail of utter chaos. He would be a complete and extremely dangerous disaster as PM These are his ideas (written a couple of years after the Good Friday Agreement) for Northern Ireland. It's difficult to know where to start with the utter wrongness of the whole thing: https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/111220142628-thepriceofpeace2000MichaelGove.pdf Having said that, I'm absolutely sure he'd guarantee Scottish independence.

The vote goes to the party membership once there are two left so technically the MP's don't choose.

And as other posters have said there is no vote for the people on who will be PM so Tory's, Labour or whoever the situation would be the same.

[Hibrandenburg]

1. Andrea Leadsom gets elected as scapegoat.

2. Scapegoat is hounded by tories for some perceived misdemeanour.

3. Vote of no confidence in government.

4. Government resigns before article 50 is invoked and a new general election is called.

5. Both labour and the tories campaign for government with pro Europe manifestos.

6. One of them win (probably labour with a lot of tory seats going to UKIP).

7. The new Prime Minister revokes the referendum results claiming he was elected on a pro EU manifesto.

8. Nigel Farage is forced out of retirement.

[heretoday]

Shouldn't the new PM be a Brexiteer?
After all, they got us into this situation.
Let's see how they propose to make the best of it.

[steakbake]

There are no good outcomes in this. Leadsom is beyond Thatcherite. Gove is a dangerous right wing oddball. It's only because of the company she's in, that makes May look somewhere normal. Under any of these, the country is taking a lurch to the right.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Shouldn't the new PM be a Brexiteer?
After all, they got us into this situation.
Let's see how they propose to make the best of it.

I think we need to move on with brexiteers or not.

It doesnt mattet anymore, the vote happened, the people have spoken.

It should now all be about getting the bestpossible deal fpr the uk, and i would like to think all sides would subscribe to that.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

There are no good outcomes in this. Leadsom is beyond Thatcherite. Gove is a dangerous right wing oddball. It's only because of the company she's in, that makes May look somewhere normal. Under any of these, the country is taking a lurch to the right.

I think its too early to say that. One of the candidates (probably May) will try and sieze the one-nation mantle i reckon - elections are won from the centre, and like all poloticians the new leader will be thinking about winning the next general election.

Also there is potential to grab a huge swathe of working clasd voters in norrhern england who are drifting away from labour. Maybe not unlile thatcher did actually.

[High-On-Hibs]

The 3 of them are extremely dangerous. I can already invasion total anarchy within 1-2 years of any of them becoming PM. The economy is failing and they are going to ensure that the wrong people get landed with the burden. Watch this post, it's going to be utter chaos.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

The 3 of them are extremely dangerous. I can already invasion total anarchy within 1-2 years of any of them becoming PM. The economy is failing and they are going to ensure that the wrong people get landed with the burden. Watch this post, it's going to be utter chaos.

You dont half get quite hysterical sometimes eh?!

[RyeSloan]

The 3 of them are extremely dangerous. I can already invasion total anarchy within 1-2 years of any of them becoming PM. The economy is failing and they are going to ensure that the wrong people get landed with the burden. Watch this post, it's going to be utter chaos.


What a strange world you live in...'total anarchy' really?

[JeMeSouviens]

I think its too early to say that. One of the candidates (probably May) will try and sieze the one-nation mantle i reckon - elections are won from the centre, and like all poloticians the new leader will be thinking about winning the next general election.

Also there is potential to grab a huge swathe of working clasd voters in norrhern england who are drifting away from labour. Maybe not unlile thatcher did actually.

With the notable exception of Tory leadership elections! How else would you explain IDS? :wink:

The trick for May is sounding mad enough to get elected without actually making herself a hostage to hard-Brexit fortune.

[Future17]

The 3 of them are extremely dangerous. I can already invasion total anarchy within 1-2 years of any of them becoming PM. The economy is failing and they are going to ensure that the wrong people get landed with the burden. Watch this post, it's going to be utter chaos.

If we're watching your post, we won't see the invasion...

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

With the notable exception of Tory leadership elections! How else would you explain IDS? :wink:

The trick for May is sounding mad enough to get elected without actually making herself a hostage to hard-Brexit fortune.

Ok, point taken! But i meant general elections are won from the centre.

[High-On-Hibs]

You dont half get quite hysterical sometimes eh?!

I was told the same thing when I said the Iraq war was based on a lie.


What a strange world you live in...'total anarchy' really?

I live in the same world as everybody else and yes, it is rather strange.

[Moulin Yarns]

So, it is Alien v Predator for #ToryLeadership (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ToryLeadership?src=hash)

[JeMeSouviens]

So, it is Alien v Predator for #ToryLeadership (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ToryLeadership?src=hash)

Which one's which? :greengrin

imo better to have May if we're stuck in the UK but Leadsom if we get and win Indyref2 ... but thank **** it won't be Gove. Phew.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Which one's which? :greengrin

imo better to have May if we're stuck in the UK but Leadsom if we get and win Indyref2 ... but thank **** it won't be Gove. Phew.

We didn't really have a pleasant experience with the last female Tory leader.

[JeMeSouviens]

This is em ...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2016/jul/07/andrea-leadsom-tory-leadership-supporters-march-parliament-video

... actually too surreal for comment. :confused:

[Smartie]

I can't believe they managed to rustle up such a detestable bunch of utter creeps that it would almost be a relief to have Theresa May as Prime Minister.

Surreal and very worrying days indeed.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

We didn't really have a pleasant experience with the last female Tory leader.

Some people did. A lot of people got to own their homes for the first time in their lives, including my gran.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I was told the same thing when I said the Iraq war was based on a lie.



I live in the same world as everybody else and yes, it is rather strange.


Did you not say on another thread that you were 12 when the iraq war happened?

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Some people did. A lot of people got to own their homes for the first time in their lives, including my gran.

Yeah, but that left a shortage of council houses that has never recovered in the 30 years since!

I was brought up in a mining village and my mum was a nurse - I can assure you that Thatcher was not a pleasant experience for anyone I knew at the time.

[High-On-Hibs]

Did you not say on another thread that you were 12 when the iraq war happened?

Indeed. What difference does that make?

[--------]

I can't believe they managed to rustle up such a detestable bunch of utter creeps that it would almost be a relief to have Theresa May as Prime Minister.

Surreal and very worrying days indeed.


At least she has backbone and balls.

Better than a jellyfish. Even a posh one.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Indeed. What difference does that make?

No difference. Just made me chuckle.

[JeMeSouviens]

Leadsom seems like the dream candidate for Scottish independence.

Wants a hard and fast Brexit, has previously advocated scrapping employment rights (min wage, maternity pay, recourse to employment tribunal) for employees of small businesses and thinks we're subsidy junkies. :rolleyes:


Scotland already receives about £1,500 more each year per annum from the public purse than us poor English.

http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/the-ultimate-irony/92

[RyeSloan]

Leadsom seems like the dream candidate for Scottish independence. Wants a hard and fast Brexit, has previously advocated scrapping employment rights (min wage, maternity pay, recourse to employment tribunal) for employees of small businesses and thinks we're subsidy junkies. :rolleyes: http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/the-ultimate-irony/92

Didn't know much about her until a couple of days ago but she strikes me as somewhat odd. Not sure why (well some of the above might explain it) but just looks and sounds strange.

Anyway May is a cert I reckon and to be honest is probably not a bad choice, determined but more middle of the road than your average Tory so it will be interesting to see how she gets on. Tough gig tho that's for sure!

[Ryan69]

Didn't know much about her until a couple of days ago but she strikes me as somewhat odd. Not sure why (well some of the above might explain it) but just looks and sounds strange.

Anyway May is a cert I reckon and to be honest is probably not a bad choice, determined but more middle of the road than your average Tory so it will be interesting to see how she gets on. Tough gig tho that's for sure!

This nation is really in trouble if these candidates are the best we can come up with.
May believes Sharia law is good for the UK????
The thought of that is scary and very disturbing!
Most of their laws contradict ours.
How many wife's can you have again? As if we have 2 we get jailed for bigamy.
Also Halal meat is being brought in in many places.
Sorry but my Christian belief does not believe in making animals suffer for meat.

The world has gone bonkers....and very soon we will be an Islamic country! Mark my words!

Is this really what was fought for in the great wars???

[CapitalGreen]

This nation is really in trouble if these candidates are the best we can come up with.
May believes Sharia law is good for the UK????
The thought of that is scary and very disturbing!
Most of their laws contradict ours.
How many wife's can you have again? As if we have 2 we get jailed for bigamy.
Also Halal meat is being brought in in many places.
Sorry but my Christian belief does not believe in making animals suffer for meat.

The world has gone bonkers....and very soon we will be an Islamic country! Mark my words!

Is this really what was fought for in the great wars???

Jeez, you make Rasta_Hibs views look moderate.

[JeMeSouviens]

This nation is really in trouble if these candidates are the best we can come up with.
May believes Sharia law is good for the UK????
The thought of that is scary and very disturbing!
Most of their laws contradict ours.
How many wife's can you have again? As if we have 2 we get jailed for bigamy.
Also Halal meat is being brought in in many places.
Sorry but my Christian belief does not believe in making animals suffer for meat.

The world has gone bonkers....and very soon we will be an Islamic country! Mark my words!

Is this really what was fought for in the great wars???

**** me, the Daily Mail has arrived. :rolleyes:

[Ryan69]

**** me, the Daily Mail has arrived. :rolleyes:

It's always easier to close your eyes and deny the facts!

[CropleyWasGod]

This nation is really in trouble if these candidates are the best we can come up with.
May believes Sharia law is good for the UK????
The thought of that is scary and very disturbing!
Most of their laws contradict ours.
How many wife's can you have again? As if we have 2 we get jailed for bigamy.
Also Halal meat is being brought in in many places.
Sorry but my Christian belief does not believe in making animals suffer for meat.

The world has gone bonkers....and very soon we will be an Islamic country! Mark my words!

Is this really what was fought for in the great wars???

Where does the Bible say that?

Do you know how your steak/fish supper/burger gets to you?

Or are you vegetarian?

[JeMeSouviens]

It's always easier to close your eyes and deny the facts!

Rather than listening to a bunch of loud mouthed bigots at the Mail (or Katie Hopkins or whichever other total muppet you're getting this from), you could always read what May actually said:


“Many British people of different faiths follow religious codes and practices, and benefit a great deal from the guidance they offer.

“A number of women have reportedly been victims of what appear to be discriminatory decisions taken by Sharia councils, and that is a significant concern.

“There is only one rule of law in our country, which provides rights and security for every citizen.

And said it while launching an inquiry to:


look into whether, and, if so, the extent to which sharia law was being misused or applied in a way that was incompatible with the rule of law in Britain. It would also assess ways in which sharia law may be causing harm in communities.

My eyes are fully open and poised ready to read your analysis of how these comments could possibly even begin to justify yours. This should be good ...

(and **** knows I'm not given to knee jerk defence of ****** Tories ...)

[steakbake]

Rather than listening to a bunch of loud mouthed bigots at the Mail (or Katie Hopkins or whichever other total muppet you're getting this from), you could always read what May actually said:



And said it while launching an inquiry to:



My eyes are fully open and poised ready to read your analysis of how these comments could possibly even begin to justify yours. This should be good ...

(and **** knows I'm not given to knee jerk defence of ****** Tories ...)

People like you will ensure there's a minaret on every street corner before long, and Christmas will be moved to Ramadan. :rolleyes:

[JeMeSouviens]

People like you will ensure there's a minaret on every street corner before long, and Christmas will be moved to Ramadan. :rolleyes:

You'll all be speaking Arabic before me and my bogus asylum benefit seeking pals are finshed! :na na:

[CapitalGreen]

Where does the Bible say that?

Do you know how your steak/fish supper/burger gets to you?

Or are you vegetarian?

I only eat meat that has lived a long happy life and died of old age surrounded by family and friends.

[RyeSloan]

It's always easier to close your eyes and deny the facts!

Go ahead knock us out with the facts that support your supposition of the U.K. becoming an Islamic state 'very soon'...

And if Theresa May supports the imposition of Sharia Law as one of the longest serving Home Secretaries in history I'm curious as to your thoughts on quote why she hasn't got around to that yet...

The world has gone bonkers tho...I'm sure I just read JMS posting in defence of a Tory...;-)

[CropleyWasGod]

You'll all be speaking Arabic before me and my bogus asylum benefit seeking pals are finshed! :na na:
Insha'allah [emoji48]

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[Hibbyradge]

We didn't really have a pleasant experience with the last female Tory leader.

All women aren't Thatcher.

[Hibbyradge]

People like you will ensure there's a minaret on every street corner before long, and Christmas will be moved to Ramadan. :rolleyes:

Armstrong least the weather will be better.

[CropleyWasGod]

Armstrong least the weather will be better.

Froome, Ramadan is a moveable feast. :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Froome, Ramadan is a moveable feast. :greengrin

Wiggins, moveable fast Shirley?

[CropleyWasGod]

Wiggins, moveable fast Shirley?

Cav, moving faster but wouldn't do so well without Renshaw.......

[Moulin Yarns]

I only eat meat that has lived a long happy life and died of old age surrounded by family and friends.

That must be tough....

[JeMeSouviens]

Cav, moving faster but wouldn't do so well without Renshaw.......

Lemond, he sprints on a Rickshaw? Incroyable!

[heretoday]

We didn't really have a pleasant experience with the last female Tory leader.

That's true. Best not bother then.

[Hibbyradge]

Damn you autocorrect!

[Hibbyradge]

That must be tough....

Nice. :thumbsup:

[stoneyburn hibs]

That's true. Best not bother then.

Leadsom scarily reminds me of her.

[Finn2015]

Maggie thatcher mark 2 in the offing. Lord help us

[marinello59]

Maggie thatcher mark 2 in the offing. Lord help us

Nope.
Thatcher had a clear view of where she wante to take the country and the leadership ability to take it there. Neither of the candidates on offer here come close to that, they will be driven by their own party rather than controlling it. Much like Cameron was which is why we had the referundum that lead to his downfall.

[Hibrandenburg]

Nope.
Thatcher had a clear view of where she wante to take the country and the leadership ability to take it there. Neither of the candidates on offer here come close to that, they will be driven by their own party rather than controlling it. Much like Cameron was which is why we had the referundum that lead to his downfall.

Does it really matter what puppet we get when the puppeteer stays the same?

[JeMeSouviens]

"Brexit means Brexit"

Wtf does that even mean? And how is she getting away with it?

[Moulin Yarns]

"Brexit means Brexit"

Wtf does that even mean? And how is she getting away with it?

I's a bit like the 'Vow'

"You voted for Brexit", I didn't but I will still deliver Brexit, what I am not saying is which Brexit I will deliver. It could be Full on, no holds barred Brexit, that the Leavers wanted, or it could be the 'Brexit Lite' option where we negotiate a position not far from where we are just now, where we get pretty much the same agreements on trade, quotas, Caps and still allow free movement of people, and pay the same amount to the EU, just without any of these silly votes we could do without"

[RyeSloan]

"Brexit means Brexit" Wtf does that even mean? And how is she getting away with it?

Urmm it means we leave the EU? Seems clear enough and I assume is designed to put to bed those that would like to see the democratic vote of the U.K. Overturned because it wasn't their choice?

What it doesn't mean is what the replacement option will be and to be honest I'm not sure you could expect her to have any definite absolute position on that at this stage.

[Beefster]

Indeed. What difference does that make?

I'm not sure what point that the poster is trying to make tbh. My eight year old just told me that the geopolitical strategy of the US is the start of the New World Order's attempt to enslave us all. I'm buying tins of baked beans by the pallet.

[Beefster]

My previous post was made from Sea World though so I might just be high on pixie dust and the 35 degree heat.

[High-On-Hibs]

I'm not sure what point that the poster is trying to make tbh. My eight year old just told me that the geopolitical strategy of the US is the start of the New World Order's attempt to enslave us all. I'm buying tins of baked beans by the pallet.

Your eight year old has a bright mind. One that researches and questions where the world is heading. Statements can seem utterly far fetched, until you look into them more and begin to ask questions yourself.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Your eight year old has a bright mind. One that researches and questions where the world is heading. Statements can seem utterly far fetched, until you look into them more and begin to ask questions yourself.

Im making a tin-foil hat as we speak...

[snooky]

May makes Boris foreign Secretary. :rolleyes:
Benny from Crossroads must have withdrawn.

[High-On-Hibs]

Im making a tin-foil hat as we speak...

I doubt you would know how tbh.


May makes Boris foreign Secretary. :rolleyes:
Benny from Crossroads must have withdrawn.

Believe me, it's just the beginning. It's much worse than you think.

[heretoday]

I was thinking May looked quite astute for about five minutes till she appointed Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. Imagine that oaf representing the country? He got shafted by a squirt like Gove so how's he going to cope with Putin?

My sister worked in his office in London and said he was absolutely hopeless. The bumbling Etonian thing isn't an act!

[Colr]

I was thinking May looked quite astute for about five minutes till she appointed Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. Imagine that oaf representing the country? He got shafted by a squirt like Gove so how's he going to cope with Putin?

My sister worked in his office in London and said he was absolutely hopeless. The bumbling Etonian thing isn't an act!

Can you imagine Boris and Prince Philip doing foreign visits?

How long before Boris makes a huge gaff and is sacked?

[High-On-Hibs]

I was thinking May looked quite astute for about five minutes till she appointed Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. Imagine that oaf representing the country? He got shafted by a squirt like Gove so how's he going to cope with Putin?

My sister worked in his office in London and said he was absolutely hopeless. The bumbling Etonian thing isn't an act!

They always look astute for the first 5 minutes when they give the "equality" speech. I'm sure its some kind of sick inside Tory joke, because it's abandoned faster than light speed.

[ronaldo7]

Can you imagine Boris and Prince Philip doing foreign visits?

How long before Boris makes a huge gaff and is sacked?

He might want to find out where his water cannon went. 3 Purchased and not used. Maybe he's trying to get re-united with them.:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

I'm no fan of BJ but he's not stupid.

He was mayor of one of the biggest cities in the world, and he made a decent fist of that.

Of course, negotiating with Putin might be a different challenge altogether, but he won't be doing much of that directly. Neither will Put in.

That's what ambassadors, diplomats and civil servants are for.

[emerald green]

The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

[ronaldo7]

The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

They were told just over a year ago by the Speaker that clapping was not parliamentary. What did they do wrong?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32907129

[Mon Dieu4]

The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

im glad they didn't, I wouldn't have either, why applaud someone you believe has helped put people in poverty and implemented austerity which has impacted on the poorest in society, because it's the done thing? Nah forget that, should we applaud Farage when he leaves his post as an MEP?

No different from Hibs not wanting to clap The Huns on to the pitch imo

[ronaldo7]

im glad they didn't, I wouldn't have either, why applaud someone you believe has helped put people in poverty and implemented austerity which has impacted on the poorest in society, because it's the done thing? Nah forget that, should we applaud Farage when he leaves his post as an MEP?

No different from Hibs not wanting to clap The Huns on to the pitch imo


One of the MP's gave her reasons earlier, she said why should she applaud someone who has overseen in the increase in food banks, benefits cuts, the rape clause, child refugees, TU bill, and the IP bill.

Good on her.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

im glad they didn't, I wouldn't have either, why applaud someone you believe has helped put people in poverty and implemented austerity which has impacted on the poorest in society, because it's the done thing? Nah forget that, should we applaud Farage when he leaves his post as an MEP?

No different from Hibs not wanting to clap The Huns on to the pitch imo

Because there is a school of thought that you respect the office, rather than the the person occupying it.

Im not saying i necessarily agree with that - but the nats not applauding is churlish.

[Mon Dieu4]

Because there is a school of thought that you respect the office, rather than the the person occupying it.

Im not saying i necessarily agree with that - but the nats not applauding is churlish.

That what's wrong with parliament, it's a little club with lots of back slapping and outdated rituals

[ronaldo7]

Liam Fox who "resigned in disgrace", over scandal where international trading companies paid for ministerial access, to head a new department for International trade.

Broon envelopes at the ready.

[Hibbyradge]

The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

They were making an important political point about how important the EU is to the Scottish people.

However, it wasn’t done for Cameron's consumption, I'm sure he wasn't bothered, it was for the Scottish electorate.

Applauding him could be almost seen as forgiving him, but not doing so would keep the issue at the front of people's minds

[emerald green]

They were told just over a year ago by the Speaker that clapping was not parliamentary. What did they do wrong?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32907129

Well that didn't take very long. As the article states, the (SNP) MPs clapped on at least three occasions during the response by their leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson. He (the speaker) intervened after Robertson criticised Labour's supposed support for austerity.

"Labour's supposed support for austerity"! What a ******* load of crap for starters.

The situation I'm referring to today was entirely different to what that article was about. The reason they didn't clap had nothing to do with adhering to parliamentary rules / tradition whatever you want to call it.


im glad they didn't, I wouldn't have either, why applaud someone you believe has helped put people in poverty and implemented austerity which has impacted on the poorest in society, because it's the done thing? Nah forget that, should we applaud Farage when he leaves his post as an MEP?

No different from Hibs not wanting to clap The Huns on to the pitch imo

Where did you learn that it was the "done thing"? What do you mean?

The bit in bold - you don't see any difference in these two scenarios? Aye OK then. :rolleyes:

[marinello59]

The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

Churlish? Cameron has been one of the weakest PMs we have ever had and his time in office has ended in catastrophic failure. He's lucky that he wasn't booed out of the building.

[Mon Dieu4]

Well that didn't take very long. As the article states, the (SNP) MPs clapped on at least three occasions during the response by their leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson. He (the speaker) intervened after Robertson criticised Labour's supposed support for austerity.

"Labour's supposed support for austerity"! What a ******* load of crap for starters.

The situation I'm referring to today was entirely different to what that article was about. The reason they didn't clap had nothing to do with adhering to parliamentary rules / tradition whatever you want to call it.



Where did you learn that it was the "done thing"? What do you mean?

The bit in bold - you don't see any difference in these two scenarios? Aye OK then. :rolleyes:

Clearly it's the "done thing" to applaud an outgoing Prime Minister otherwise why do it or why are people getting uptight about the SNP not doing it?

No I don't see any difference in it, people wanting to applaud an elitist self serving erky who have had dodgy financial dealings, Cameron and the Huns are very similar

[Pretty Boy]

Churlish? Cameron has been one of the weakest PMs we have ever had and his time in office has ended in catastrophic failure. He's lucky that he wasn't booed out of the building.

Spot on.

I'm as big a critic of the 'SNP machine' as anyone when it's deserved but the SNP MPs and those on the Labour benches who joined them in sitting silently today got it absolutely right imo.

[heretoday]

I'm no fan of BJ but he's not stupid.

He was mayor of one of the biggest cities in the world, and he made a decent fist of that.

Of course, negotiating with Putin might be a different challenge altogether, but he won't be doing much of that directly. Neither will Put in.

That's what ambassadors, diplomats and civil servants are for.

Of course he's not stupid. He's written several books for instance and they are engagingly crafted.

The problem is his personality. However well briefed he is liable to veer off piste and say something crass. Others have to clean up the mess.

[High-On-Hibs]

I'm absolutely delighted that the SNP never applauded him. I would have been disgusted if they had. Cameron and his coke headed sidekick have been an absolute shambles. They built a manifesto around "rescuing the economy" and have failed on every single economic target since coming into government.

No respect for the wicked.

[emerald green]

Churlish? Cameron has been one of the weakest PMs we have ever had and his time in office has ended in catastrophic failure. He's lucky that he wasn't booed out of the building.

Yes, very much so. Churlish and graceless. MPs from every party I understand, except the SNP, applauded the man. Whether they agreed with him politically or not. I'm "no a Tory" BTW, but there are occasions where politics should be put to one side just for a few minutes. It's not too much to ask IMHO.

I'm not sure how far back you are going. I take it you think Cameron was weaker than the likes of Chamberlain, Eden, Douglas-Home, Callaghan, Major and Blair?

[emerald green]

They were making an important political point about how important the EU is to the Scottish people.

However, it wasn’t done for Cameron's consumption, I'm sure he wasn't bothered, it was for the Scottish electorate.

Applauding him could be almost seen as forgiving him, but not doing so would keep the issue at the front of people's minds

The SNP do not speak for all of the Scottish people, and the EU is not important to ALL of the Scottish people. Unbelievable as it might seem, a lot of Scottish people voted to leave the EU. Some of them SNP supporters.

I voted to remain in the EU. A "no brainer" IMHO.

[ronaldo7]

Well that didn't take very long. As the article states, the (SNP) MPs clapped on at least three occasions during the response by their leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson. He (the speaker) intervened after Robertson criticised Labour's supposed support for austerity.

"Labour's supposed support for austerity"! What a ******* load of crap for starters.

The situation I'm referring to today was entirely different to what that article was about. The reason they didn't clap had nothing to do with adhering to parliamentary rules / tradition whatever you want to call it.



Where did you learn that it was the "done thing"? What do you mean?

The bit in bold - you don't see any difference in these two scenarios? Aye OK then. :rolleyes:

You're right, it didn't take long for you to have a go at the SNP for not clapping. FFS next you'll be saying they need to wear a tie, sing the national anthem and bow correctly.

[emerald green]

You're right, it didn't take long for you to have a go at the SNP for not clapping. FFS next you'll be saying they need to wear a tie, sing the national anthem and bow correctly.

Are the SNP not to be criticised? Ever? For anything?

The bit in bold. What makes you come away with that rubbish? I couldn't give a **** as far as any of that's concerned.

I notice you conveniently side-stepped the main point of my post though.

I seem to have hit a nerve here on SNP central. Time for me to bow out. :bye:

[ronaldo7]

Are the SNP not to be criticised? Ever? For anything?

The bit in bold. What makes you come away with that rubbish? I couldn't give a **** as far as any of that's concerned.

I notice you conveniently side-stepped the main point of my post though.

I seem to have hit a nerve here on SNP central. Time for me to bow out. :bye:


You've not been on for a while then. Ye cannae move for SNP bad, but that's what you get for being in power. They can take the hits.

As you've said your cheerios, I decided to do this...:clapper::clapper::clapper:


Back on topic, it's been quite a day. May's lost the plot with Bojo imo

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Im quite encouraged by her initial comments, obviously the proof is in the pudding.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

You've not been on for a while then. Ye cannae move for SNP bad, but that's what you get for being in power. They can take the hits.

As you've said your cheerios, I decided to do this...:clapper::clapper::clapper:


Back on topic, it's been quite a day. May's lost the plot with Bojo imo


Bojo is a strange one - would be interested to know the reasoning behind it.

[(((Fergus)))]

Do SNP MPs only have a duty to those who voted for them or to all their constituents? If the latter, they could have given the comical McGlashan posturing a rest for a few moments and done their job – by showing a bit of respect.

Other than that, quite a positive day in politics for a change.

[marinello59]

Do SNP MPs only have a duty to those who voted for them or to all their constituents? If the latter, they could have given the comical McGlashan posturing a rest for a few moments and done their job – by showing a bit of respect.

Other than that, quite a positive day in politics for a change.

Is getting a new PM that is happy to use people who have lived and worked here for years whilst raising their families as bargaining chips as we exit the EU a positive day? Its not for me.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Is getting a new PM that is happy to use people who have lived and worked here for years whilst raising their families as bargaining chips as we exit the EU a positive day? Its not for me.

But the point is that it shouldnt be about policies.

But fair enougn, some people disagree.

I wonder if holyrood refuses to recognise nicola when her time is up, if people will feel the same.

[Mon Dieu4]

But the point is that it shouldnt be about policies.

But fair enougn, some people disagree.

I wonder if holyrood refuses to recognise nicola when her time is up, if people will feel the same.

People who don't agree that she's done a good job for the people of Scotland would have every right not to applaud her, respect is earned, it shouldn't be a given because of the role you have fulfilled or because it's what everyone else is doing

[High-On-Hibs]

But the point is that it shouldnt be about policies.

But fair enougn, some people disagree.

I wonder if holyrood refuses to recognise nicola when her time is up, if people will feel the same.

If Nicola achieves the SNPs goal of Independence, do you honestly think the likes of the Conservatives or Labour would applaud her when she eventually stands down? I certainly don't.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

People who don't agree that she's done a good job for the people of Scotland would have every right not to applaud her, respect is earned, it shouldn't be a given because of the role you have fulfilled or because it's what everyone else is doing

Yeah, its a fair point.

[Hibbyradge]

The SNP do not speak for all of the Scottish people, and the EU is not important to ALL of the Scottish people. Unbelievable as it might seem, a lot of Scottish people voted to leave the EU. Some of them SNP supporters.

I voted to remain in the EU. A "no brainer" IMHO.

Agreed, but they are reinforcing the importance to the majority. By not applauding because of the EU, they are putting it as the top issue in Scotland and that will help theme in their quest to get, and win, a 2nd referendum.

[easty]

How petty when people complain that someone didn't clap when some others did. The equivalent of not signing someone you didn't particularly like at works leaving card.

[steakbake]

How petty when people complain that someone didn't clap when some others did. The equivalent of not signing someone you didn't particularly like at works leaving card.

Hypocrites like hypocrisy. There is nothing to applaud in this sorry situation.

[Hibrandenburg]

This has taken a laughable turn. Are folks really expecting a party founded to deliver Scotland from Westminster and who see it akin to Mordor are being criticised for not upholding it's petty traditions? Funny as......

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Yes, very much so. Churlish and graceless. MPs from every party I understand, except the SNP, applauded the man. Whether they agreed with him politically or not. I'm "no a Tory" BTW, but there are occasions where politics should be put to one side just for a few minutes. It's not too much to ask IMHO.

I'm not sure how far back you are going. I take it you think Cameron was weaker than the likes of Chamberlain, Eden, Douglas-Home, Callaghan, Major and Blair?


"Churlish and graceless"? I take it you prefer "slimy and hypocritical"? I'm glad my MP accurately represented the feelings of this constituent in the Commons yesterday.

Cameron wagered the future of the UK and its constituent parts on a referendum designed to protect his own position as leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party and his job as Prime Minister. He abdicated his responsibilities as Prime Minister for purely selfish ends.

He lost. The consequences of his spineless behaviour are yet to become clear to us, but he'll get his sinecures in the city and continue to rake in his dividends and enjoy the high life while millions of less fortunately-positioned people struggle.

Smarmy Dave screws things up, and you expect him to get a universal standing ovation in the Commons? He's lucky someone didn't tell him, "I've put a loaded pistol on your desk. For goodness' sake, just for once - do the decent thing."

I think your list of comparable Prime Ministers says it all. Morally bankrupt self-servers, mostly. Dave fits right in there. Why on earth should anyone applaud the creep?

[Benny Brazil]

Tbh I couldnt care who applauded who or who didnt - I am just completely stunned that Boris is Foreign Secretary.
I dont agree with all of the things the Tories do - but I thought the appointment of May as PM was a good decision - I thought she would be a good PM - but for her to decide to promote Boris to that role is truly staggering.

[Hibrandenburg]

Tbh I couldnt care who applauded who or who didnt - I am just completely stunned that Boris is Foreign Secretary.
I dont agree with all of the things the Tories do - but I thought the appointment of May as PM was a good decision - I thought she would be a good PM - but for her to decide to promote Boris to that role is truly staggering.

Maybe her chips are down on Trump winning the US elections?

[High-On-Hibs]

Tbh I couldnt care who applauded who or who didnt - I am just completely stunned that Boris is Foreign Secretary.
I dont agree with all of the things the Tories do - but I thought the appointment of May as PM was a good decision - I thought she would be a good PM - but for her to decide to promote Boris to that role is truly staggering.

PMs rarely make their own independent decisions. They have their advisor's to tell them what chess pieces to play and when. The PM might have changed, but those pulling the strings in the background are still very much the same.

[RyeSloan]

Tbh I couldnt care who applauded who or who didnt - I am just completely stunned that Boris is Foreign Secretary. I dont agree with all of the things the Tories do - but I thought the appointment of May as PM was a good decision - I thought she would be a good PM - but for her to decide to promote Boris to that role is truly staggering.

Well I suppose he had to be included somehow and considering there is an international trade secretary and a Brexit secretary I think the role of Foreign secretary has been significantly down scaled so looks more like Boris will just be a glad hander more than anything.

It was certainly a surprise but taking a while to think about it maybe a left field smart move by May. Keep Boris in the Govt (will help to keep him on message and also not be seen as a rival) and give him at least some responsibility for getting Brexit to work while also limiting any real power / damage.

[--------]

Tbh I couldnt care who applauded who or who didnt - I am just completely stunned that Boris is Foreign Secretary.
I dont agree with all of the things the Tories do - but I thought the appointment of May as PM was a good decision - I thought she would be a good PM - but for her to decide to promote Boris to that role is truly staggering.

I agree with Cher.

(Now I never thought I'd ever type THAT sentence in ANY context.)

‘He’s f***ng idiot who lied to British ppl & didn’t have the balls to lead them once Leave won. Any more questions?’

That's the boy, and he's the one who'll be our spokesman and representative in our dealings with foreign governments all over the world - at least, until they declare war on us ...

[snooky]

Because there is a school of thought that you respect the office, rather than the the person occupying it.

Im not saying i necessarily agree with that - but the nats not applauding is churlish.


I have yet to see any respect coming this way from DC or his office.
It's a two-way street. To get respect you have to give it.

FWIW, I wouldn't have clapped (well, maybe if it was a slow one).

[SHODAN]

David Cameron's government has treated this country with absolute contempt from day one of his premiership. Good on the SNP.

[snooky]

I agree with Cher.

(Now I never thought I'd ever type THAT sentence in ANY context.)

‘He’s f***ng idiot who lied to British ppl & didn’t have the balls to lead them once Leave won. Any more questions?’

That's the boy, and he's the one who'll be our spokesman and representative in our dealings with foreign governments all over the world - at least, until they declare war on us ...

Boris is worse than a buffoon. He's a buffoon with a brain.

[Just Alf]

Re the clapping... was it done for previous PMs leaving mid-term?


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[JeMeSouviens]

Re the clapping... was it done for previous PMs leaving mid-term?


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Afaik, it only previously happened with Blair, backed up with this from yesterday's Independent:


When Tony Blair was applauded at the end of his last prime minister’s questions, it was the first time in living memory that clapping had taken place in the Commons. Parliamentary protocol usually bans applause.

[Colr]

Is getting a new PM that is happy to use people who have lived and worked here for years whilst raising their families as bargaining chips as we exit the EU a positive day? Its not for me.

She's only suggesting that EU nationals in the UK will be treated by the UK in the same way as UK citizens living in the EU are treated by them.

Seems like a perfectly sensible position to take.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

I agree with Cher.

(Now I never thought I'd ever type THAT sentence in ANY context.)

‘He’s f***ng idiot who lied to British ppl & didn’t have the balls to lead them once Leave won. Any more questions?’

That's the boy, and he's the one who'll be our spokesman and representative in our dealings with foreign governments all over the world - at least, until they declare war on us ...

Aye, maybe. But if he had have stood then people would have said he didn't have the good grace to walk away and let a candidate more likely to unite the country take over.

Your opinion on Boris is fair enough, I'd probably agree but I don't think he had an obligation to stand in the leadership contest and it's not as if he won it single handed (if you believe what's written on here he's an idiot that no one listens to anyway). He's clearly unpopular - fine - but the above argument doesn't make much sense and it's a case of damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

PMs rarely make their own independent decisions. They have their advisor's to tell them what chess pieces to play and when. The PM might have changed, but those pulling the strings in the background are still very much the same.

Are they? Who are you talking about?

[(((Fergus)))]

Is getting a new PM that is happy to use people who have lived and worked here for years whilst raising their families as bargaining chips as we exit the EU a positive day? Its not for me.

They were applauding Cameron, not May (not that I agree with your characterisation of her).

[(((Fergus)))]

I have yet to see any respect coming this way from DC or his office.
It's a two-way street. To get respect you have to give it.

FWIW, I wouldn't have clapped (well, maybe if it was a slow one).

It was Cameron that got the Tories up on their feet to applaud Blair IIRC. Mind you, Blair is probably classed as a Tory these days.

EDIT: Indeed he did:


https://youtu.be/Wg8dSVnQCDA?t=73

Amazing to contrast Blair with how relaxed and assured Cameron was yesterday.

[Hibrandenburg]

Weren't the SNP warned for clapping by the Speaker?

[High-On-Hibs]

Weren't the SNP warned for clapping by the Speaker?

Indeed. They can't win. Damned by unionists if they do, damned by unionists if they don't.

[heretoday]

I agree with Cher.

(Now I never thought I'd ever type THAT sentence in ANY context.)

‘He’s f***ng idiot who lied to British ppl & didn’t have the balls to lead them once Leave won. Any more questions?’

That's the boy, and he's the one who'll be our spokesman and representative in our dealings with foreign governments all over the world - at least, until they declare war on us ...

It's good that Cher takes a close interest in British politics. Perhaps one day she'll be on Question Time. It's virtually light entertainment anyway.

[heretoday]

Looking on YouTube at the speeches made by May in the last two Tory Conferences it's no wonder she was made the PM.

Dynamic stuff and received like Thatcher's rhetoric by the faithful.

[Colr]

Looking on YouTube at the speeches made by May in the last two Tory Conferences it's no wonder she was made the PM.

Dynamic stuff and received like Thatcher's rhetoric by the faithful.

Conferences are very unreal situations and activists are way out of the ordinary. As we shall see this year.

[ronaldo7]

I wonder if either of these Tories will stand for Ruthies job when she moves to Little England.

https://t.co/36kqUEwIfw

[Hibbyradge]

I wonder if either of these Tories will stand for Ruthies job when she moves to Little England.

https://t.co/36kqUEwIfw

Because I'm in Portugal, I haven't been able to read your link yet, but I'm intrigued by your use if the term "Little England ". I hadn't heard of it before.

However, I have heard of the term "Little Englander" which refers to English/British nationalists so your post got me thinking, does that make you a "Little Scotlander"? 😂

[ronaldo7]

Because I'm in Portugal, I haven't been able to read your link yet, but I'm intrigued by your use if the term "Little England ". I hadn't heard of it before.

However, I have heard of the term "Little Englander" which refers to English/British nationalists so your post got me thinking, does that make you a "Little Scotlander"? ��

I'm sure you'll get round to reading the link.

Little England is what it's become in the wake of the Brexit vote IMO. Alone, isolated, and not trusted by the remainder of Europe.

I'll be happy to be a little Scotlander in Europe.:greengrin At least we'll have a voice at the table instead of being outside the door.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm sure you'll get round to reading the link.

Little England is what it's become in the wake of the Brexit vote IMO. Alone, isolated, and not trusted by the remainder of Europe.

I'll be happy to be a little Scotlander in Europe.:greengrin At least we'll have a voice at the table instead of being outside the door.

I saw the clip, eventually.

What an embarrassment for both. :faf: