Pandora's box

[Hibbyradge]

My father was Polish. He came to the UK during the 2nd world war and fought with the British Army against the nazis. I'm not giving them a capital letter.

He met my mum, (I have a feeling that she liked the soldiers), and they were married.

3 girls were born and a good time later, 2 boys arrived, of which I was one.

My dad was a hard working man and had a number of jobs, rubber mill, labourer and ice cream van man amongst others. My mum was a school teacher, well loved by her pupils as some on here will attest.

The family became teachers, civil servants, police officers and shop owners, making a huge contribution to society, financially and socially.

None of us claimed benefits and we've contributed many times more than we've taken out.

You wouldn't know that we are first generation Poles from talking to us, we're all as Scottish as you guys, and I've only been to the country once as an adult. (We used to go when we were bairns, but had to stop when I reached the age of 16 because I'd have been snatched for national service at the Polish border. Cold war and all that.)

Tonight my brother informs me that he's heard calls for second and third generation Poles to be repatriated.

Now I know the likelihood of that happening is virtually zero, but can you see what's happening? Pandora's racist box has opened.

A week ago I felt safe and welcome everywhere in the UK. I'd never considered myself in any way different to anyone else.

That changed a bit tonight.

I've been out for a couple of beers so apologies if you find this self indulgent. You can always put me on ignore.

The downside of that, of course, is that I get to rip your posts without fear of reprisal. :wink:

[High-On-Hibs]

The result has certainly fed into the hands of the National Front, Britain First, BNP, EDL.....and other far-right idiot groups.

Although it seems unlikely now. Just wait until the Conservatives fail to prevent the movement of free Labour for the sake of the single market and all these idiots band together to push UKIP into power.

[Hibbyradge]

The result has certainly fed into the hands of the National Front, Britain First, BNP, EDL.....and other far-right idiot groups.

Although it seems unlikely now. Just wait until the Conservatives fail to prevent the movement of free Labour for the sake of the single market and all these idiots band together to push UKIP into power.

That's a concern, and it's why I think a second referendum is a real possibility.

It's also why Labour must get its act together quickly although it would be a brave/stupid man to call a snap election in these circumstances.

[High-On-Hibs]

That's a concern, and it's why I think a second referendum is a real possibility.

It's also why Labour must get its act together quickly although it would be a brave/stupid man to call a snap election in these circumstances.

Labour still has absolutely zero chance of winning, even if they do replace Corbyn with a blairite. :wink:

I suppose the big rush to replace him with a blairite right now would have absolutely nothing to do with an up and coming chilcot verdict. :whistle:

[Hibbyradge]

Labour still has absolutely zero chance of winning, even if they do replace Corbyn with a blairite. :wink:

I suppose the big rush to replace him with a blairite right now would have absolutely nothing to do with an up and coming chilcot verdict. :whistle:

The rush to replace him is because of the mess he's helped create and the possibility of a snap election.

Not everyone who voted for the motion of no confidence us blairite and it's lazy to suggest it.

Chilcot is on its way regardless of who the leader is.

Labour will attract many more votes from the middle ground with a different leader. They need to get back folk who voted Tory. Corbyn could never have done that.

The Chinese aparently have a saying. "May you live in interesting times". I think the next few years are going to be as interesting as they get!

Possibly horrifying.

[Moulin Yarns]

The result has certainly fed into the hands of the National Front, Britain First, BNP, EDL.....and other far-right idiot groups.

Although it seems unlikely now. Just wait until the Conservatives fail to prevent the movement of free Labour for the sake of the single market and all these idiots band together to push UKIP into power.

You missed RastaHibs from the idiot list

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Labour still has absolutely zero chance of winning, even if they do replace Corbyn with a blairite. :wink:

I suppose the big rush to replace him with a blairite right now would have absolutely nothing to do with an up and coming chilcot verdict. :whistle:

That makes absolutely no sense.

Surely if that was a consideration, they wouldnt want a blairite in charge so they coyld distance the partt from it?

And thats assuming it is even a consideratiob.

Theu want a blairite in charge because thay was the only electable labout party since the early 70s

[Hibrandenburg]

My father was Polish. He came to the UK during the 2nd world war and fought with the British Army against the nazis. I'm not giving them a capital letter.

He met my mum, (I have a feeling that she liked the soldiers), and they were married.

3 girls were born and a good time later, 2 boys arrived, of which I was one.

My dad was a hard working man and had a number of jobs, rubber mill, labourer and ice cream van man amongst others. My mum was a school teacher, well loved by her pupils as some on here will attest.

The family became teachers, civil servants, police officers and shop owners, making a huge contribution to society, financially and socially.

None of us claimed benefits and we've contributed many times more than we've taken out.

You wouldn't know that we are first generation Poles from talking to us, we're all as Scottish as you guys, and I've only been to the country once as an adult. (We used to go when we were bairns, but had to stop when I reached the age of 16 because I'd have been snatched for national service at the Polish border. Cold war and all that.)

Tonight my brother informs me that he's heard calls for second and third generation Poles to be repatriated.

Now I know the likelihood of that happening is virtually zero, but can you see what's happening? Pandora's racist box has opened.

A week ago I felt safe and welcome everywhere in the UK. I'd never considered myself in any way different to anyone else.

That changed a bit tonight.

I've been out for a couple of beers so apologies if you find this self indulgent. You can always put me on ignore.

The downside of that, of course, is that I get to rip your posts without fear of reprisal. :wink:

Great post.

For what it's worth my opinion on the current trend in UK politics is bleak. When the right wing rises society takes a downward spiral. Once they've stopped immigration and that still hasn't changed things they need to look for a new scapegoat, that'll be the first generation immigrants and when that doesn't improve our society they'll find the next scapegoat.........and on and on and on.

[Hibbyradge]

Is that how the Labour Party is made up, these days, Blairites and Corbynistas, nothing else?

It's become so simple since my day.

[NAE NOOKIE]

My father was Polish. He came to the UK during the 2nd world war and fought with the British Army against the nazis. I'm not giving them a capital letter.

He met my mum, (I have a feeling that she liked the soldiers), and they were married.

3 girls were born and a good time later, 2 boys arrived, of which I was one.

My dad was a hard working man and had a number of jobs, rubber mill, labourer and ice cream van man amongst others. My mum was a school teacher, well loved by her pupils as some on here will attest.

The family became teachers, civil servants, police officers and shop owners, making a huge contribution to society, financially and socially.

None of us claimed benefits and we've contributed many times more than we've taken out.

You wouldn't know that we are first generation Poles from talking to us, we're all as Scottish as you guys, and I've only been to the country once as an adult. (We used to go when we were bairns, but had to stop when I reached the age of 16 because I'd have been snatched for national service at the Polish border. Cold war and all that.)

Tonight my brother informs me that he's heard calls for second and third generation Poles to be repatriated.

Now I know the likelihood of that happening is virtually zero, but can you see what's happening? Pandora's racist box has opened.

A week ago I felt safe and welcome everywhere in the UK. I'd never considered myself in any way different to anyone else.

That changed a bit tonight.

I've been out for a couple of beers so apologies if you find this self indulgent. You can always put me on ignore.

The downside of that, of course, is that I get to rip your posts without fear of reprisal. :wink:

Its an outrage that you even feel in a position to have to post this mate ..... its truly sad that the right wing morons in this country ( the UK ) have managed to get the proles to buy into their racist bigoted xenophobic bull****.

A lot of people from the EU living in Scotland voted 'no' because they were lead to believe Scotland would be out of the EU if we voted for independence and they might have to leave Scotland .... they were encouraged to believe only remaining in the UK ensured they would still be living in a country which was part of the EU.

They were lied to, as were a lot of folk who voted to leave the EU. What price an independent Scotland now.

[snooky]

That's a concern, and it's why I think a second referendum is a real possibility.

It's also why Labour must get its act together quickly although it would be a brave/stupid man to call a snap election in these circumstances.
Indy or Brexit - or both?

[Hibbyradge]

Indy or Brexit - or both?

I meant EU in that context, but both are definite possibilities.

[Mixu62]

I think the bigots calling for this type of nonsense would get a nasty surprise if they looked into their own ancestry. In a country the size of the UK, and with it's history, there must be very few people who can trance their ancestry back to the UK and solely the UK. In fact let's challenge Farage to go on Who Do You Think You Are. I've hear Boris' grandfather was Turkish, should he be first on the boat? I expect he'll do the right thing, like "real people, decent people" would.

[easty]

My father was Polish. He came to the UK during the 2nd world war and fought with the British Army against the nazis. I'm not giving them a capital letter.

He met my mum, (I have a feeling that she liked the soldiers), and they were married.

3 girls were born and a good time later, 2 boys arrived, of which I was one.

My dad was a hard working man and had a number of jobs, rubber mill, labourer and ice cream van man amongst others. My mum was a school teacher, well loved by her pupils as some on here will attest.

The family became teachers, civil servants, police officers and shop owners, making a huge contribution to society, financially and socially.

None of us claimed benefits and we've contributed many times more than we've taken out.

You wouldn't know that we are first generation Poles from talking to us, we're all as Scottish as you guys, and I've only been to the country once as an adult. (We used to go when we were bairns, but had to stop when I reached the age of 16 because I'd have been snatched for national service at the Polish border. Cold war and all that.)

Tonight my brother informs me that he's heard calls for second and third generation Poles to be repatriated.

Now I know the likelihood of that happening is virtually zero, but can you see what's happening? Pandora's racist box has opened.

A week ago I felt safe and welcome everywhere in the UK. I'd never considered myself in any way different to anyone else.

That changed a bit tonight.

I've been out for a couple of beers so apologies if you find this self indulgent. You can always put me on ignore.

The downside of that, of course, is that I get to rip your posts without fear of reprisal. :wink:

Good post radge

I've actually got a bit of Polish blood in me too. My dads granddad. Im no really sure of the exact details, it's something I'll look into at some point though. His surname was Ubeki (not sure the spellings correct), and he was an orphan, due to the war I think.

My uncle went over to Poland to meet some of his family, after tracking then down last year. I'll have to find out more for myself.

Anyway, like I said, good post.

[JeMeSouviens]

"They're all Scotland's Story and they're all worth the same"

[Moulin Yarns]

"They're all Scotland's Story and they're all worth the same"

I heard a guy that runs a huge bakers in the north of England, that relies on both EU and non EU workers. He voted leave, and says t will have no effect on his business. How can he be so sure? The majority of his workforce are now wondering if they have future hee.

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My father was Polish. He came to the UK during the 2nd world war and fought with the British Army against the nazis. I'm not giving them a capital letter.

He met my mum, (I have a feeling that she liked the soldiers), and they were married.

3 girls were born and a good time later, 2 boys arrived, of which I was one.

My dad was a hard working man and had a number of jobs, rubber mill, labourer and ice cream van man amongst others. My mum was a school teacher, well loved by her pupils as some on here will attest.

The family became teachers, civil servants, police officers and shop owners, making a huge contribution to society, financially and socially.

None of us claimed benefits and we've contributed many times more than we've taken out.

You wouldn't know that we are first generation Poles from talking to us, we're all as Scottish as you guys, and I've only been to the country once as an adult. (We used to go when we were bairns, but had to stop when I reached the age of 16 because I'd have been snatched for national service at the Polish border. Cold war and all that.)

Tonight my brother informs me that he's heard calls for second and third generation Poles to be repatriated.

Now I know the likelihood of that happening is virtually zero, but can you see what's happening? Pandora's racist box has opened.

A week ago I felt safe and welcome everywhere in the UK. I'd never considered myself in any way different to anyone else.

That changed a bit tonight.

I've been out for a couple of beers so apologies if you find this self indulgent. You can always put me on ignore.

The downside of that, of course, is that I get to rip your posts without fear of reprisal. :wink:


The men of my grandfather's generation fought in the Great War. My father and uncles fought in the Second World War. The point being that in both those wars they were fighting against something that needed to be fought - arrogant, vicious people who despised those who were different from them and who assumed they had the right to bully, terrorise and ultimately murder those weaker than themselves. (The Kaiser's Germany wasn't all that different from Corporal Schicklgruber's.)

Your father came to Britain to fight with us at a time when many British politicians and public figures were assiduously looking for ways to make 'peace' with the Corporal and his criminal associates, regardless of any assurances Britain had given to Poland - not that Britain kept any of those assurances in the long run, something about which my father and uncles were angry and ashamed.

There have been postings on Facebook and elsewhere suggesting that it was the generation that fought the Second World War who voted overwhelmingly for "Leave", and that somehow any criticism of the result is a betrayal of them.

This is yet another lie from people who have lied throughout this whole sorry affair. That generation is almost all dead, but the way in which the people of the village where I grew up welcomed and made a place for the Polish ex-Servicemen who chose to make their home with us after the end of the War in 1945 assures me that they at least understood the debt they owed. They were welcome, and as far as I'm concerned, their children and grandchildren are welcome too.

From what I can make out of the demographics of the vote, it was MY generation - people born in the 50's and 60's - who voted most heavily to leave. Many of them had made very good lives for themselves in the years since the UK joined the EU, and have no reason to complain - people who own their houses, drive Beemers and Mercs, and holiday in the Caribbean and SE Asia?

Thank you for what your father did for us.

Niech Żyje Polska!